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sillspore · 5 months

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Now that brambleclaw and squirrelflight aren't mates, how would Alderheart and Sparkpelt being born? Most AUs (not saying those aus are bad) just have Bramblestar as a nothing character either as a villain with no personality or forgettable, with the personlity of wheat bread "man wife"

A lot of Bramnleclaw's character in/is about Squirrelflight and their love triangle with Ashfur. I can't really see (again no offense to you. Just airing my thoughts) as him being nothing character, if he isn't her mate than how would TBC happen or would that series never happen because Ashfur or Brambleclaw aren't mates with Squirrelflight. How would plotpointd such as his relationship with firestar would become? It would be jus them as adoptive siblings?

beware, this shit is long! soooo much more under the cut.

i’ve been thinking about this! basically, squilf would replace leafpool in the forbidden romance plot with crowfeather. during tpb, all of squilf’s romance will be with crowfeather. we get his pov during the journey, where he will be close with feathertail but crushing on squirrelpaw. we get squilf’s pov when they get home, where we can hear her internal debates over her feelings about crowpaw and missing him. she is attached to brambleshade (brambleclaw), but in a sibling way. in my head, firestar is a pseudo-dad to bramble, so a sibling dynamic makes sense. however, this isn’t reciprocated the same way. bramble grows to be in love with squirrelflight.

in twilight, squirrel and crow debate leaving, but decide against it and amicably agree to split. at the same time, leafpool is having the same issue with mothwing — mothwing cares little about the warrior code, and would much rather leave the clans and live their lives in peace, with a bonus of the fact that hawkfrost would never follow her and she’d be free of him. they run away, but come back just in time, like the leafcrow romance in canon.

as a note, because tc doesn’t share borders with rc, they had no idea it was mothwing that leafpool ran away with.

afterward, in sunset, squirrelflight grows closer to bramble and ashfur is scorned, much like in canon. she realizes he assumes she’s in love with bramble, and she lets this happen to dissuade him from trying to “win” her back. she feels safe doing this, because she assumes her sibling feelings towards bramble are the same from his side.

(note: squilf did date ashfur while she was arguing with bramble, but at first it was just friendship. she thought he’d make a great mate, and she could forget about crowfeather and maybe even have kits. but as he grows more controlling, she breaks up with him. soon after, she reconciles with bramble and ashfur takes this as badly as possible.)

after the whole saving her dad thing, squirrelflight is delighted. (side note again: bramble does become deputy, because longtail retires early. longstar would be too good of a leader, we need a shit one, for plot reasons.) bramble is delighted, because he thinks this means she loves him “again”. leafpool had no idea about the crowfeather thing, and tells squilf about the dream starclan sent of squilf and bramble walking side by side. squilf takes this to mean starclan wants her and bramble as mates (they absolutely do, the meddling weirdos), but with the way she feels about him? she isn’t fond of the idea. however, at the book’s end, leafpool tells her she’s pregnant. squilf knows exactly who’s they are — and she is both petrified and delighted. it’s complicated situation, she’s so overjoyed to have her love’s kits, but he will never know them and the clan will be suspicious. everyone knows she was courting ashfur but spends all her time with bramble now, so they’ll assume it’s one of theirs. so will the two cats in question. if she refuses to say who, it’ll be very obvious their father is not thunderclan. she tells this much to leafpool, who advises her to follow starclan’s wish and become bramble’s mate, for real. squilf tries to convince herself this will be okay, because it’s what starclan wants.

later, leafpool tells her she’s carrying mothwing’s kits, and they (TOGETHER) devise the plan to have squilf raise them, which will be easy because she’ll actually have milk here. bramble is over the moon at the news of kits, and squilf is dying inside. it’d be a depressing inner monologue, her trying to convince herself she can be happy like this.

leafpool fakes a starclan vision, saying squirrelflight must visit the moonpool immediately, for plot reasons. squilf gives birth up there, and crow stumbles upon them. there’s a unique herb growing in the cave that he was sent to retrieve for his “mate” (they’ve come to an agreement: crow takes night as his mate to look loyal, and the kits she has won’t appear as if they were fathered by a rogue, like they actually were), nightcloud, who’s about to give birth. he sees squilf’s kits, they get emotional and sappy. there’s two kits, unnamed. together, they name them hollykit and breezekit, and crow takes breezekit (the one out of rhe two without red on him) back to wc to be raised by nightcloud with her kits. he’ll blend right in with the litter.

a few hours later, leafpool gives birth to jaykit, lionkit (still haven’t decided his name change), and dovekit. after another day, a tc patrol comes to get them, wondering what took them so long, surprised to find squirrelflight’s four kits! they carry ‘em home, and squilf settles in the nursery, fussed over by brambleshade. about a week later, dovekit dies, and squilf is heartbroken. she grows listless and finds it hard to take care of her remaining kits, but later recovers and is a great mom.

power of three goes pretty close to canon, major plot wise. hollyleaf is not a member of the three, but it makes SENSE bc she wasn’t actuallt part of the three’s litter. dovekit was, who was later reincarnated into whitewing’s kit, dovekit, in order for the prophecy to be fulfilled. for the fire scene, it goes the same mostly, squilf claiming they aren’t her kits, ashfur says idc you love them anyway. i think i may have firestar save them from ashfur here, losing his final life. after the fire, squilf admits that hollyleaf is her kit, but the other two aren’t. hollyleaf pries the whole story out of leafpool, and goes STRAIGHT to brambleshade, before he goes to receive his nine lives. he thanks her for telling him, and he is heartbroken (because, apparently, his wife never loved him.) and furious. none of his kits were his, some of them were even leafpool’s! after he’s made bramblestar, he appoints hollyleaf as his deputy, citing that she’s the only one he can trust. things go to shit, sol, hollyleaf snaps and kills ashfur, hollyleaf tells the clans everything, including the prophecy, etc etc. hollyleaf dies, killed by the falling rocks in the tunnels. her role in the great battle stays the same, as does firestar’s, bc their ghosts can still kick ass.

after this, during omen of the stars, we see bramble actively punishing squirrelflight. everything is shit. i don’t know who i’ll have him pick as deputy, but they’ll die during the flood of bramblestar’s storm. jessy happens, etc etc, squilf and him make up. she apologizes, and he apologizes, but he kinda makes it about him, hmmm….

anyway, spark and alder are bramblesquirrel kits still. i haven’t thought about major plot for avos yet, i’ve barely thought about pot and oots. but, squilf is made deputy, and the broken code is a thing. bramblestar is freed of rhe possession, but there will be a scene where squirrelcrow have a Moment and bramblestar loses his shit. he accuses her of betraying him, of being cruel and evil, yada yada. brambleshade is a little weird, maybe kinda vindictive, but bramblestar is out of his mind. the sheer amount of power he has and his desire to use it against her is dangerous. he is very clearly an evil person, despite the sympathies he has. anyway, bramblestar tries to exile her, but spark stops him. she, and the clan, are OVER bramblestar, who was just as bad a leader as the imposter. he is stripped of his name and lives via rhe new warrior code rule, and the clan watches in horror as he loses all but his last life in real time. he’s moved to the medicine den. meanwhile, squilf becomes a star, and appoints ivyclaw (ivypool) her deputy. she gives brambleshade the option of leaving the clan or retiring, and he hobbles his old ass to the elder’s den.

after all this, crowfeather decides to join thunderclan, and squirrelstar happily accepts him, daring anyone to argue. they get their happily ever after, and it’s very sweet. maybe breeze even comes with his dad, tired of his clan’s scorn? regardless, it’s a very awkward time for nightheart watching his grandad spit obscenities at his step-grandad. wild.

pls tell me if this is incoherent ive never written my ideas out for the squirrelcrow bramblesquirrel plot before !!!

#erin hunter warriors #warrior cats #warriors #warriors rewrite #warriors au #squirrelflight #squirrelstar #crowfeather #brambleclaw #bramblestar #squirrelcrow #bramblesquirrel #i fucking hate bramblestar so if you like him don’t read this #you wont enjoy it #i tried to stick to the story but made it more enjoyable for me #i’ve grown attached to an enemies to friends to lovers to strangers to lovers with squirrelcrow

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malkumtend · 6 months

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Another day another poor child who thinks Bramblestar did nothing wrong.

You people have my deepest sympathies.

#Bramblestar #Squirrelflight #BrambleSquirrel #you people are so depressing to me

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divorced-tournament · 1 year

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Round 1, Side 2B: Bramblesquirrel (Warrior Cats) vs Tomshiv (Succession)

#bramblesquirrel #warrior cats #tomshiv #succession #divorced tournament 2023 #now fight in court

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cryptidclaw · 1 year

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About Squirrel/Bramble again...

Ok I know that I have been trying to make Squirrel/Bramble work in RoC but the longer I think about it the more I just dont want them to be together...

I feel like it would just make more since that they would have more of a sibling dynamic! Firestar serves as a father figure to Bramble, and Im pretty sure Bramble would have been a full adult warrior by the time Squirrel was born. I really cant imagine him not interacting much with Squirrel as a kit, since, like i said, Fire is a father to him, and Bramble would want to spend time with Fire’s new kits. So I think logically Bramble would have been more like a big brother to Squirrel and Leaf.

Squirrel and Bramble’s relationship in early TNP can easily be read as, older brother and his annoying 13 yr old sister who he has to put up with. Which its cute to think of their relationship that way! I just think it would be more fun to have them be a silly sibling relationship, it makes me like them more than having them be a couple.

I also feel like my RoC version of Bramble where has desperate for a sibling relationship, leading him to hanging out with Hawk could still work. Squirrel is younger than Bramble, and she’s not biologically his sister, so she cant relate to his issues with being Tigerstar’s kit, instead she has it quite the opposite being Firestar’s kit. So I could see Bramble being desperate for a relationship with Hawk who can relate to him on a level that Squirrel cant.

I think a lot of angst could come from that too, maybe Squirrel gets mad at Bramble because she feels like he’s ignoring their sibling relationship for a bio sibling. “Why are you choosing him over me? I’m the one who you grew up with! you don’t even know him!” -Squirrelflight

The main reason I wanted to have them be together still is it plays a somewhat big role in Po3 but honestly I don't care abt that too much anymore. Since I added that cats can have kits with loners, as long as its not out of love, Squirrel could just claim that the 3 are hers with a loner. It could even add more to Ashfur’s motivations since she broke up with him and actively chose to have kits with a loner rather than choosing to be with him and have a family with him!

#cryptidclaw's warriors au #rise of change #squirrelflight #brambleclaw #squirrel/bramble #bramblesquirrel #warriors au

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dykesquirrelstar · 10 months

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squirrelflight and bramblestar divorce

#warrior cats #warriors #squirrelflight #bramblestar #bramblesquirrel

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petty-arsonist · 2 years

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#bramblesquirrel #erin hunter #why can’t they write like at all #let them be happy

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bunnyburrowsys · 6 months

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art rahhhhhhh ; potential eyestrain

a bunch of our II/III au doodles :D

bramble and squilf with less eye strain colors

and with eye strain colors

and something i drew with our mommyclan oc: thighhighpaw! (free palestine btw)

well, thats it! i'm gonna go to eep now!!!

and remember, our art is free to use with the proper credit (tag us!)

~ FizzieRollie \ Introject \ She/He/It/Paw/Pup

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songjay-ay · 9 months

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miau X3

#warrior cats #squirrelflight #Brambleclaw #art #fan art #bramblesquirrel #warriors #humanized #au

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pigeonpuddles · 9 months

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I understand that people want representation and all but I'm kind of glad there aren't any major LGBT characters in warriors given how the Erins can't even write straight romance

#pidge noises #seriously what the fuck is wrong with these cats #are the straights okay #are the erins ok??#bramblesquirrel #brambleclaw #warriors #warrior cats #erin hunter warriors #erin hunter

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mallowstep · 2 years

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On some observations

(wrt my mothpool post because I’ve been paying more attention to fandom at large to observe the Onestar nonsense)

[Link to TLDR]

I think it’s very telling how pretty much everyone seems to have interpreted the simple statement “mothpool has an age gap” as “you shouldn’t ship mothpool.”

The reality of life is that most relationships have an age gap. Even excusing the fact that people exceptionally rarely date people with the same birthday as them, it’s common to date people who are more than a year or two older/younger than you. I suppose I can blame this one on this particular fandom skewing young? As in, most people in high school date people within a grade of them. It’s rare for a freshman to date a junior, and pretty much everyone agrees freshmen shouldn’t be dating seniors. So I suppose it makes sense to apply that logic.

I bring up Mothpool sometimes because it’s such a popular ship, but it has a larger age gap than, say, Feather/Crow, a ship which is often aggressively disavowed in more puritanical communities, explicitly on the grounds of the age gap. I have my complaints with that criticism of the ship, but my point remains: that age gap is likely around nine moons — using the fact that Crow is Deadfoot’s son, and Feather is supposedly around 7 moons old when Deadfoot dies, the first fact being present in TNP itself and the second being explicit in TPB — and they meet when Crowpaw is nearly a warrior — again, see the prologue of Midnight — so it would be hypocritical to dislike that ship for age gap reasons, and yet ship Mothpool, which has a minimum age gap of nine moons*, although likely more, and meets when Leafpaw is no more than seven moons old.

*Complicated by contradictory timelines. Using only TNP, we would infer an age gap of six moons, but that’s impossible because of when Tigerstar dies. Really, Mothwing has to be a year older than Leafpaw. The time skip between TPB and TNP is either a year or six months, and both options create major contradictions, but the series treats it as a full year. I used nine months as my stated minimum because if I let Mothwing be born around the same time as Crowpaw — she’s technically older — then they’re both approximately warrior aged, and both have the same impossible age problem, which feels appropriate. At any rate, even if you use the six month age gap, it is subjectively experienced as a larger age gap, because Leafpaw is younger than Crowpaw. Furthermore, the same age gap between Mothwing and Leafpaw exists between Leafpaw(/Squirrelpaw) and Crowpaw, which is again, the same as the age gap between Crowpaw and Feathertail, but experienced as a larger age gap because the characters involved are younger.

I think the fact that the simple statement of truth that such an age gap exists causes so much strife is telling because…well, I never intended to even imply that it’s an unhealthy relationship because of said age gap. I would argue against that quite effectively by pointing out that they’re both new (med) apprentices when they meet, putting them on equal footing, and they’re in different clans, which basically nullifies the power imbalance of an age gap. Leafpaw’s crush begins young, but they don’t grow close until Leafpaw is older, and that’s when you begin to get the sense that things are reciprocated and romantic…

…statements which are all also true for Feathertail and Crowpaw.

(Arguably, Feathertail shows less interest in Crowpaw than Mothwing does in Leafpaw.)

So really the only defense to “there is an age gap between Mothwing and Leafpool” is “no, there isn’t,” because any other argument would be applied to other ships that have been disavowed.

Not that I think anyone is doing this consciously. I’ve just been turning it over and over in my head: why are some ships criticized heavily for their age gap, and others ignored?

Someone once commented that they wouldn’t date someone who was nearly 18. I, being in my 20s, agree with that — mostly because I wouldn’t date someone who was still in high school.

But would I date someone who had already graduated high school, and was maybe in their first semester of college, but because of birthday nonsense, hadn’t yet turned 18? Provided they were, again, nearly 18 — probably? There’s nothing magic that happens on someone’s 18th birthday that makes them an adult when they weren’t before.

Crowpaw might not have “graduated,” because he still hasn’t got a warrior name, but he’s canonically very nearly a warrior, and implicitly over a year old (again, see prologue of TNP + reference when Deadfoot died with when the journey begins). He spends months with Feathertail — the length of the journey is unclear, but looking at the events timeline makes me think it took them a full season — and they meet as equals (prophecy cats). The fact that this ship is considered unhealthy, but Mothpool isn’t (when Leafpaw comments frequently that she’s nervous Mothwing, having her full name, doesn’t view Leafpaw as an equal), says to me that there’s some secondary, unstated factor.

I leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine that factor, but if you need a hint: I’ve seen multiple people criticize the Bramble/Squirrel age gap also ship Squirrel/Tawny.

[Discussion welcome.]

#mine #shipcourse #I wrote this on my phone #I didn’t mean for it to go on I just had a lot of thoughts #mothpool #feathercrow #tnp #leafpool #mothwing #feathertail #Crowfeather #squirrelflight #bramblesquirrel

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