#bts discourse

[please-someone-give-me-love]

I am gonna say an unpopular opinion, but BTS from 2015-2016 couldn't have done Black Swan but BTS from 2020 would be always able to write and produced Wings.

Why did I say it's controversial? Because there are a lot of passive agressive bitches who likes to yapp about "missing their 2017 BTS because they missed HYYH and Wings and some Dark and Wild" which is ironic because HYYH and WINGS are from 2015-2016, but you know which era started in 2017? LY:HER and you know what was heavily criticized during that time? DNA and their whole changed, logo, theme, etc. Because a lot of you started complaining about "losing their scence" but it's funny because after that, a year after that they deopped LY:Tear, which is for far one of their best albums if it's not their best album, and after that 2019 they dropped Persona, another great album and in 2020 they dropped MOTS:7 and BE and within fucking Black Swan and a lot of can have their own taste but everyone agrees, Black Swan is definetly one of their best songs in their entire career and BE is a really underrated but amazing album far from the comercial view of Dynamite and more like a personal album.

I hate the takes "I missed old BTS" because it has so many passive agressivenes in their tone, they said it insulting their present, taking their present music as bad when in my opinion, BTS current music is their wisest and more mature music they have produced, not only in lyrics but also in production, BTS old music is magic and eternally beautiful and amazing but also their current music is as great as theie past and trying to act with this superiority complex for liking their old music is so ridiculous.

Trying to define quality because you are old and wants everyone to like their old stuff is so inmature. I love BTS old music, that doesn't mean I am going throught life crying about it and complaining about every single current song, if you like smth it's on yours but don't go there being a hypocrite that nobody likes.

#bts discourses #bts discourse #anti kpopers

[reflections-in-a-critical-eye]

It’s been years since we have heard anything genuine from the boys in terms of their creative process and artistry. It’s all just the same lines about army and personas blah blah blah rinsed recycled and repeated over and over again. This is one of the first sentiments I expressed a couple years ago as a new fan and of course when I voice this in fandom circles, the response is always along the lines of “its because they really love army that much” or some similar blathering. Their interviews always leave me with the feeling that there’s a Hybe representative somewhere in the shadows with a sniper rifle ready to fire the moment any of them deviates from the script in any way. It should not be like this with a band almost 10 years in. As a previous anon pointed out they are pushing 30 and should really have more to say about things at this point. I feel like they are regressing and it’s giving newly debuted band right now as opposed to seasoned artists. They keep saying they want to show different sides of themselves and then they just… don’t. It’s frustrating to me as a more mature fan. I enjoy their music and their personalities but everything about them these days seems so manufactured and boxed in, idk. I am glad I’m at least able to voice this sentiment here without being made to feel I’m a bad fan or that I just don’t understand “the bts and army bond”

''Because they love Army that much''? That's the stupidest, most out of touch response you could have gotten.

This manufactured version we see could be a result of getting more famous in the past few years and the lack of something valuable in their interviews or when they talk about their music can also be because of the songs they released since the pandemic. It's one thing to talk about a certain concept when there is something meaningful there and other when you have songs like Dynamite, Butter and PTD. When I listened to interviews they had when they released those songs, all I heard were some empty words, fillers that don't mean anything when you really pay attention to it. There is always a script to an interview, but then again, if you have nothing to say except these songs are for army, it's about healing and good vibes and then repeat that again for the next songs, damn, I don't know how they can put up with it.

I also expected that after 10 years and getting older, it would give them the opportunity to show a more mature side of them, including when they are in situations to talk about their music. It's just unfortunate that it coincided with releasing meaningless songs that turned them into some rookies that only sing and dance to a song made by other people so they can't have many thoughts to express about that.

#bmt asks #bts #bts discourse

[lesbiradshaw]

Remember when we bunked together on the carrier?

#if ppl turn the tags of this into top/bottom discourse i will hit every single one of you over the head with a baseball bat cartoon style #drafting this post as motivation for me to keep writing my fic ab them being bunkmates during the lead up to the mission #it brings me to much joy writing about jake making bradleys life miserable #fav line so far is ‘Did you know you drool in your sleep?’ 💪 #and they were bunkmates… #anyways #hello to anyone reading this. #hangster #sereshaw #hangman x rooster #rooster x hangman #bradley rooster bradshaw #jake hangman seresin #tgm bts #top gun maverick #tgm #tgm cast #top gun maverick cast #miles teller #glen powell

[goldenalbum]

i hope every shipper and solo stan who hates any member(s) of bts knows their faves would fucking despise them 💗 i wish yall bitches a very terrible night

#bts #lets not lie either its almost singularly maknae line shippers and solos #jimin #taehyung #jungkook #jikook #taekook #fr IMAGINE any of them seeing some of the shit yall disgusting fucks say about their BEST FRIENDS #truly delusional if u think they would want anything to do w u #discourse #el dot txt

[beautifulpersonpeach]

A few days ago I responded to an ask, explaining that Korean K-pop stans overall are the more intense version of whatever you see on the international side, and that one way k-fans perceive international fans is that international k-pop stans are easier to manipulate and rile up.

For anyone who is aware of the subway scare and the supposed link to ARMY and BTS, pay very close attention to what’s happening right now as a case study demonstrating what I wrote, happening in real time.

As a quick overview:

1 - This happened about an hour before Yoongi’s live where he showed his tattoo

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2 - About an hour after this happened, an ARMY coming back from Yoongi’s concert, watching his livestream on their way home, reacts to his tattoo by screaming while in the subway. They record themselves and post the video on Twitter. The tweet itself is deleted now so I can’t link it, but I’ll link the OG video in point 5.

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3 - After that ARMY posted their reaction to Yoongi’s tattoo, this Korean k-pop stan claims a fan screamed next to them on the train and caused panic and a stampede. This account’s most recent activity is from 2022, but the first thing they tweet in 2023 is that an ARMY caused a stampede because of Yoongi. Okay.

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4 - One of the followers of that account then retweets that account to post an edited version of the ARMY reaction video, blurring out the reaction on the train, and further linking the two events (1) an ARMY screaming about Yoongi, (2) a resulting stampede that needed police intervention. This video is then used as the basis for user posts and articles written on k-blogs which then get translated as user posts on Allkpop and Pannchoa.

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5 - For reference, this is the OG video from that ARMY showing what actually happened on the train. Note how there’s no panic in the train.

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Basically, two events separated by about an hour are conflated on purpose by linked anonymous accounts on the Korean side, quickly translated into English and spread on the international side through k-pop gossip blogs like Allkpop, which Korean soft media (blogs etc) then picks up and takes as further credit to the underlying claims, though those claims are false.

And voila, a scandal is born.

Now, this isn’t to say BTS, ARMY, and people affiliated with them never do anything wrong and can never have a legit scandal. For example, I think anybody screaming for no good reason in a packed subway train is an idiot and should face some kind of consequence if harm is caused. But that’s not what happened here. What that ARMY did was stupid but harm wasn’t caused and Korean antis instead used it as an opportunity to link BTS with an incident that happened an hour earlier.

Occasionally, some of you might’ve seen me write about ‘manufactured controversy’ before, usually in passing when discussing something else. I remember I’ve mentioned it a few times such as during Jimin’s missed insurance payments scandal, during Jungkook’s Itaewon scandal, and also Min Heejin re: NewJeans (after just 5 minutes of looking at the original claims in Korean. The only thing holding the majority of the claims against MHJ together is sheer willpower and vibes atp). Someone has also asked me about hate ‘slave rooms’ before (context was Twice attacked by slave room hate) and I responded that hate in Korea towards people in the k-pop industry, is incredibly organized and insidious. And the bigger the target, the bigger the fall and the bigger the payout.

Please keep that in mind when you read shit online. Keep your eyes open and your wits about you. Become more media literate and learn how to think for yourself. Seriously. Because in this machine called k-pop, nearly everything about it is designed to suck you in till you have no idea which way is up. Pay attention, please.

2026 is still a long way off and we’ll have many incidents like this before then.

Good luck everyone.

#bts #K-pop #kpop industry #kpop fandom #fandom behavior #fandom discourse #bts army #fandom behaviour

[finexbright]

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#okay look i love louis and i really don't want to cause any discourse but i suppose this is just me gathering my thoughts in one place #i think that this livestream event would've been so much better if a. it had a concert attached to it and b. it was cheaper #like i'm sorry but i already paid £18 to watch it in the cinemas i am not gonna pay £18 more just to get 10 mins of extra footage #and him and charlie talking about the same things again. like we aren't getting any new questions and thoughts #and he would've been way better off by putting it on a streaming platform instead where fans can have access to it anytime #and this coming right after the cancellation of asia leg with zero explanation and one half assed tweet? is just not louis vibes man :/ #i am NOT saying there's something going on bts or whatever i'm just saying that the fans deserve an explanation #for the cancellation of the tour dates #and like. sorry but this livestream is not accessible at all. i am not gonna spend £18 on this #and like. £18 is actually SO much in so many countries that i know at the end of it only usa + eu + uk #fans will be watching it so what even is the point #but yeah. one off livestream bad. online streaming platform good. explanation for cancellation required

[etherealbabycloud]

couples halloween costume idea:

#iykyk #gerri kellman #roman roy #romangerri #top bottom discourse #hbo succession #succession memes #succ session #succession bts #succession #succession s4 #kieran culkin #j. smith cameron #succession cast #halloween memes #halloween 2022

[causesciencethatswhy]

Solo's are not your friends

An advice to any ot7 shippers or heavy biased armys, please for the love of God follow accounts that are not just centred around the two or one member you heavily bias. If you find yourself constantly buying into the idea that your favourite member is being heavily mistreated and is the biggest victim of the evil company then please realise you've found yourself in an echo chamber.

This echo chamber consists of people who are either full solos or halfway into solo territory. Talking with actual ot7 armys and keeping up with what the members are actually saying in good faith will help you see for yourself how manipulative and downright abusive a lot of solo/shipper narratives can be.

This is not me trying to say that Hybe is a perfect company that can do no wrong. It has messed up at multiple occasions for each member, even the ones some people consider here as the company favourites. It is why I don't think any of it is a malicious attempt but simply missteps and over presumptions on their half on armys and their reasons for supporting bangtan.

If the only people who are giving you updates on each member are solos who've already made up their minds that their fav is the true victim and everyone in the group secretly hates their fav and our conspiring against them, then you're setting yourself up for an absolute miserable experience. The victimising narratives are not just harmful to the members and their autonomy but also to the fan who feels like they're in a constant war to rescue their fav member from the 'great evil' that is bangtan. It's all very manipulative and mentally taxing.

So please I beg diversify your timelines with not just ot7 armys but other interests you may have as well. While bangtan are the comfort zones for many people myself included, I'm not going to pretend that the constant intense discourse has not impacted my own mental health multiple times. Take a break from them if you're feeling too overwhelmed, they'll always be there doing their own things.

Loving bangtan for me has been one of my longest experiences in any fandom ever, and one way I've kept that love alive has been through taking well spaced breaks and watching original content outside of what online spaces have been saying.

And repeat with me : Solo's are all antis.

Take care of yourself, and like namjoon said protect yourself now .

#jikook #shipping discourse #anti solo #bts #jimin #jungkook #taehyung #vmin #yoongi #hoseok #jin #seokjin #namjoon #rm

[jiminsass-istant]

tae already asked them to get out of their imagination

Then the next day he regretted it and tell them that jk is sleeping next to him

And who told you that he regretted it? Or did you come to that conclusion yourself?

Thanks for your ask anon. I've been thinking of doing a deep dive on Tae's personality for some time now.

IS TAE-A-KOOKER?

How is Tae telling them to get out of their imagination and telling jk is sleeping next to him related?

If he calls tkker's to get out of imagination, doesn't that already establish that jk is his bro and friend? Have we not seen jk and tae sleeping next to each other on camera before?

Do you think Tae, jimin and jk have the time to do the mental gymnastics shippers do?

When Tae kept Jimin around for more than half of his fan meet, was he promoting Vmin then? He made Jimin sit down in front of the whole crowd and made everybody sing HBD. If I didn't know they were friends, I would think it was boyfriend behaviour. And mind you, Vmin is a more significant ship than TK in Korea.

🔆Do you think Tae reads the multiple delusional threads in english on insta and twitter? He can't read medium to advanced level English, period.

🔆Tae has always been an impulsive person since the beginning. Be it interviews, saying unhinged stuff, being romantic towards members for no reason, revealing jk-jm are hanging out in the dead of the night. Entering jk's room during a live when JK was naked in Osaka. Asking James Corden to touch Jimin's thighs on national television, no..INSISTING on it multiple times while RM just sat there embarassed. You forgot when he went live while being drunk with Jimin, WHILE JK was already live? Hybe intern must have pulled their own hairs when that happened.

_🔆The taekook page Tae recently posted from has military pics from private sources, completely illegal to be posted in public. While Tae and the members clearly do not want their privacy invaded during military. (Hybe almost sued camp app). If Tae had checked the page once, he wouldn't have posted. But man has no media training recently, so he posted without even checking the source. The same way he posts from fansites, airport pics, posts AI pics etc.

Can you imagine any other BTS member being that impulsive? Apart from JK? No. That's why they are 'partners in crime'. Always getting scolded together.

You need to understand the dynamics members have with each other from official content. Not from shipping spaces or solo spaces.

Now, let's look at some of the early impressions of Tae on the members -

- 'alien','we used to fight a lot' in Jimin's words

-'i knew he wouldn't listen to me' - RM when he met V

-'difficult to understand' - Suga

- ' in his own world' - Jin

But Jungkook -

' helped me get out of my shell'

And finally me-

" Tae reminds me of my cousin who people around me used to think was a 'special kid' because of his weird behaviour, but he was perfectly normal, just different "

And let's not forget this reaction by knetz when V was singing along to a song of a group he liked during an encore. People accused him of making fun of the song, when it was actually one of his favourite songs. He was just so lost in singing with exaggerated expressions,that too on national tv, on stage- that people mistook it for rude behaviour and he was harrased by netizens.

I cannot count the no. of times Tae has been misunderstood at this point.

Why is Tae like this?

Would jhope post from a random account without checking? Would RM? Would Jimin ever do that?? No. They are the real adults of the group. Taekook are the children. Tae - the prime trouble maker, Jungkook who gets in the flow with him.

I unfortunately also have to remind you of the durag incident Tae had during his live. Do you think he did that to offend a community? He is simply ignorant. (Which is a problem). Isn't that a much more scandalous thing than posting from a shipper account? Just because he makes mistakes, doesn't mean he shouldn't be held accountable. And i do INSIST that his manager needs to organize media lessons for him ASAP.

FINAL THOUGHTS-

It is clear as day, he's just impulsive and doesn't have the intentions you are making up in your head. Stop behaving like tkkers, anon. They are the worst breed, don't stoop to their level.

The members took their time to understand him, and so should you. No one is a saint, but Tae has never come across as a vile person who would sabotage his own group member. He's impulsive, mischievous, different, creative and very talented.

In suga's words from suchwita-"Taehyung would sulk when he's not given what he wants, so we started fulfilling all his wishes".

Why would he want people to hate on Jimin, lol? It's so funny to even think of that. Haven't you seen their love for each other throughout the years? It honestly surpasses TK bond. Infact do you know why V said ' i only have you' and ' you were the one who cried with me' to Jimin? Because jimin understands him. Even better than jungkook. I have even seen instances when Tae is ignored during conversations, but then jimin is listening to him, drawing everyone's attention to Tae. Jimin is precious to Tae, ngl.

And why would he want beef with Jimin when they all want to get back together in 2025? If they had some issues, wouldn't RM interfere first, as the leader? Why the hell is Tae always texting jimin, searching up Jimin AI pics, asking to be in a reel with Jimin? Drinking with Jimin? Why does Jimin want Tae at his own fan event? Why is Jimin feeling up Tae's torso when he learnt he's working out? There's literally no evidence of Tae being vile to Jimin. You think they are that good actors?

Believe me, vminkook don't give a fuck about the delulu shipping discourses or vile shippers. You know why? Because they are not the ARMY that they recognize. Hybe or the members will never address shippers. They will show bromance for sure, but no direct call outs.

But you know who directly addressed shippers? The only one to ever do that? KIM TAEHYUNG.

And he had shut them down!

#shipping discourse #bts ships #jikook

[homoqueerjewhobbit]

The tumblr queer community discourse is like the physics when you get down to the subatomic level and everything just goes wonky and stops making sense and none of the normal rules apply anymore.

#It's the discourse for a microworld where cishetallos either don't exist or only exist in the hypothetical #What if that gnc man is an egg? What if he isn't an egg? Well‚ no one is gonna ask him that's for sure #Queer #queer discourse #Lgbt #Lgbtqia #I saw an El Gibbity acronym with like 10 extra letters that ended in BTS and I couldn't tell if it was earnest or not #post o' mine #clearing out the drafts

[reflections-in-a-critical-eye]

Hi!

Idk why I’m a bit conflicted about the White House event for BTS - on the one hand it’s awesome that they were asked to come, I’m very proud of them! And hearing the press thank them in Korean was heartwarming too! 😊

On the other hand seeing discourse of people mentioning how they’re not Asian American and can’t really speak to the Asian American and Pacific Islander experience growing up and how challenging that is. Which is also true.

I guess these events are often to generally raise awareness, not to take any concrete action. BTS aren’t US lawmakers, and as far as I’m aware there isn’t a bill that is being lobbied for Anti-Asian Hate with BTS’ support.

Hi @cozybangtanies, thank you for the question.

To be honest, I've avoided this topic on my blog until now because I wanted to see how everything unfolds and also because it is a more sensitive subject. I'm also not Asian or Asian American so I know my opinion automatically counts less in this matter because it doesn't concern me directly, but I'm also of the opinion that simply discussing a social/racial/political matter it's something that can be done, regardless of race, ethnicity or nationality, as long as it's done in a respectful way.

I want to say that I understand both sides of the debate. Those who see this as something important and how it's a good thing that BTS were invited to speak, but also those who are of the opinion that BTS cannot speak on issues that affect Asian Americans as they don't have that experience.

For the White House this was a PR move and it also benefited BTS, no doubt about it. It was a last appearance that would close the AAPI Heritage Month and having a global k-pop group as a guest, given their fandom and how in general they are appreciated in their country and as well as by Asian Americans, it would bring more publicity, more awarness on a large scale. It's not like having them there would pose as some solution and as you said, it was not about concrete action. It's just that the White House took advantage of a household name that all of a sudden made a lot of people talk about AAPI Heritage Month and all aspects that revolve around that. Did it lead to just twitter discourse? Mostly yes and probably this was the aim, that it will become a hot topic on social media. If people learned anything good from it, that's perfectly fine, but it also turned into the usual twitter fighting and as it usually happens, a lot of nuance was lost. I am sure that a lot of fans may have not been aware of other events organized by the White House during this month, as the reception on May 18th when nearly 200 AAPI representatives were invited. Guess what? I didn't know about it either. I only read about it before answering this ask as I wanted to do a bit of research. So, as to the criticism that BTS should not be invited to speak on behalf of AAPI because that opportunity should be given to those who are actually part of the community, it's not exactly correct. That opportunity was given prior and then it extended to BTS as well. But the argument that the group is not really in the position to speak because they do not have the Asian American experience can be valid as well as it's factually true. They may have experienced racism, but this can't be used as the main argument, simply because it boils down to a different experience. Asian Americans on social media have expressed their thoughts on this. Some have felt proud while others didn't. And that's absolutely valid for both sides. Asian Americans, just like any other community, is not a monolith made up of people who all think the same just because they do share some common points. I think it's important to keep that in mind.

Yes, there are also arguments against it, as I have received in my inbox as well and I understand those as well, which are about the hypocrisy of having a racist and cultist fandom and how ironic it is that BTS went to the White House to talk about racism. Yes, but realistically, as bad as it is, this is more of an in house problem that sometimes reaches to the outskirts to the journalism side in the music and entertainment industry. When this invitation was made and the reason behind it, no one cared to make an assesment of the fandom or the fandom possibly being a reason against not inviting them. This was business and good publicity. But it doesn't mean it's not an aspect that people can't talk about it, far from it.

Another argument that was brought to my attention and I'm addresing that ask here as well, is that POC are experiencing racism in South Korea, but BTS and other idols have not spoken about it, especially since they use hip hop for their music industry. So perhaps they should first do that before coming to talk about the Asian American experience of racism. I also understand this point of view and it's somehow more controversial because SK may be global in economic terms and exporting some parts of their culture, but it's also a case of nationalism, self-exoticism as part of their neoliberalist economy, anti-minorities mindset and so on. The point is, nationalism is tied with patriotism and idols will not be caught criticizing their country and the political/social system (for some it can be a benefit while for others not, it depends on social class, gender, upbringing, power, level of openess, education, just as with everyone else in the world). They can't do anything that would lead to their alienation, especially BTS who are seen as the pride of SK by a lot of people (again, not everyone, as everyone has a mind of their own and not all Koreans are the same).

Now that the event passed, the debates surrounding it have died down which was bound to happen once something more interesting showed up on twitter. To sum up the point I'm trying to make, I believe that criticism of the event is valid, but it's also not a black and white situation as both sides of the debate were trying to paint it as. That's how I see it, it's just a personal opinion and having all the facts in mind that I mentioned above, my position is somehow neutral and it came after doing some thinking, trying to understand the issue from different perspectives.

#bmt asks #bts #bts white house #bts and AAPI Heritage Month #bts fandom #bts army #bts discourse #bts criticism

[goldenalbum]

shipping has truly rotted some of yalls brains 🥴 the amount of nonsense and vitriol i have seen aimed at jimin and jungkook just for taking a trip together is wild. if two members of bangtan traveling together or leaning on each other makes you that upset, you really need help. these are real people, not characters in a drama. other members of bts are not love rivals for your ship.

#jimin #jungkook #discourse #weirdos. weirdos everywhere. #el dot txt #bts #people treating jm and jk like villains out of a show bc they dared to go somewhere together #creating some weird narrative about fan service or how jk is a bad boyfriend to th eugh

[beautifulpersonpeach]

I hope that by now, after Hobi’s collaboration with J. Cole, Joon’s El Pais interview, and now Jimin’s Set Me Free Pt. 2, it’s obvious a lot of the criticism around BTS, much of what counts for ‘discourse’, is completely pointless.

Something I noticed after BTS released Fake Love in 2018, is that ‘Discourse’ around the mediums they choose to make music, the kind of music they put out, and how they communicate their ideas, all frankly just boils down to people dissatisfied that BTS didn’t express an idea the exact way those people would prefer, at exactly the time they’d prefer it. That’s it. It’s not a criticism that tackles the substance of their ideas or elevates the conversation around BTS, but one about personal preferences that people with inflated egos courtesy of the internet, mistake to be synonymous with meaningful appraisals of their skill, competency, and their characters.

BTS has always made music in a variety of styles and they’ve shown they’re more than capable of making some of the best hard-hitting and unconventional music there is, not just in Korea, but globally. But then they release a handful of pop tunes that while not my favourite, generated a whole multitude of k-pop stans circle-jerking to ‘discourse’ about how ‘BTS has lost their roots’ when all those people are actually saying is that “BTS didn’t make the exact sort of music I prefer or say something exactly the way I prefer, this time around, on my schedule.”

Take for example discourse around Joon’s latest interview:

Joon has shown similar candour as in the El Pais interview, in their 2022 Weverse interview, in their 2021 Billboard interview, and in honestly more Vlives and interviews than I can count. The primary difference between the El Pais interview and the others is in the sort of questions asked by interviewer/publication. That is what was refreshing because Western media outlets often do not take their music seriously enough to not venture beyond the obligatory ‘dark side of k-pop’ asks before grilling BTS on their potential romantic partners. The interviewer in El Pais was notably more informed about BTS and Namjoon in particular, and that carried through in the interview. Joon is older, more mature, and more comfortable (especially now that they’ve announced their intentions to enlist), but if you were paying attention, you’d realize he’s said a lot of what he said in that interview, long before. He’s not significantly more eloquent and more candid than he was a year ago, he simply responded to the interviewer based on the questions posed and the tone used.

Another example is in Jimin’s latest release, SMF Pt 2, which brought to mind criticism of Jimin I’ve seen from solos, multis, antis and general k-pop stans every fortnight or so, for the last eight years. We can all see references in the lyrics, in the choreography, in the stylistic musical choices, in the medium: rap vs vocals, to many BTS songs and even Jimin’s solo work put out long before. In SMF Pt 2:

For lyrics and message, Jimin references narratives expressed in Lie, Promise, ON, among others;

For sonic expression, Jimin references Friends and ON, seen in his preference for choral effects; Tony Montana and Black Swan for autotune as a tool and rap music as a medium;

For dance/choreography, Jimin references Butterfly, Lie, and ON.

Set Me Free Pt 2 is a combination of various expressions we’ve already seen Jimin do, sharpened to the extreme to drive home the point that this is his time and everyone should get the fuck out of his way.

It’s effective.

Like JITB and Indigo before now, I’m already seeing people lament that Jimin is talking about how their fame affects him, the reference to his haters, or that he is too proud and egotistical. And some Anons are already starting to fret about it in my inbox. I don’t know what to tell y’all besides that I don’t care. I’m not sure how many times I can show that none of those people know what they’re talking about. I’m not confident enough to express how little I think about some random’s opinion about music and how I listen to it, without rudely telling them off in two syllables.

All I’ve got to say about the discourse around this song is ‘fuck off.’

I’m enjoying myself too much. I’m loving Jimin’s vocals and self expression too much. I’m too happy to give a flying fuck what anyone else thinks on the matter.

Aside, Jimin has inspired some of the best fanart I’ve seen in ages:

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#Jimin #park jimin #set me free pt.2 #Jimin FACE #BTS #kpop #fandom discourse

[lord-squiggletits]

Man, it doesn't matter what the medium or fandom is, truly the debate that ruins fandom discussions the fastest is when people try to decide which characters "deserve" what. Especially when it comes to them deciding which characters are evil, how evil they are, and how severe their punishment should be for their evil deeds.

It's really annoying/harmful on multiple levels. For one, morally speaking, the line between "evil, but can repent/compensate for their deeds" and "evil, cannot be redeemed, suffer and die forever" is harder to define than you think, and who has the authority to define it anyways?

But also, fictional stories (especially the better, more nuanced, more mature ones) are rarely ever about "deserving" and don't divide their characters neatly between the "good" and the "evil." Every time I see fans debate about "how evil" a Problematic Fave is, or if Fave 1 is better/worse than Fave 2, all I see is people ruining their own fun and stirring up bad blood between other fans. Why would you add this dichotomy of "deserving" to a FICTIONAL story and start real life beef with people over it? At that point you're getting more invested in your discourse over imagined good/evil binaries than you are invested in watching/reading/consuming the actual story itself.

#squiggposting #honestly it gets to the point where i try to avoid fandom discourse for new things i'm into such as bg3 #canon is crystal clear and then i walk into fanon discussions and it's like a funhouse mirror #fanon discussions and discourse get so wack they literally make me second guess shit i saw with my own eyes and ears #me playing bg3: yeah the themes of this are pretty clear i understand perfectly the emotions here are great #me looking at bg3 fandom discussions: what in the actual fuck is going on here. did we play the same game #it's also not helped by people who can't distinguish between canon and fanon #like. there's a difference bt things explicitly said by canon vs interpretations based on canon but not actually confirmed #there can be multiple different interpretations of a story. this is true and a very good thing #HOWEVER. ppl in fandom are often bad at distinguishing between canon information and their interpretation. it just adds more misinformation #if you're a veteran that actually knows the lore you end up stepping into discourse just to clarify: #no that isn't actually canon. it's based on this one thing that was said in canon but canon never actually says that. #you can INTERPRET THAT but the story never actually explicitly says it #just. what a fucking mess lmao. the best way to get accurate information on a story is to just play/watch/read it yourself #fandom cannot be trusted to 1. get lore factually correct 2. distinguish between canon facts and interpretation

[moonsunbam]

something that deeply hurt me about being a lesbian aroace army and a jikooker is that people that dont like rps always call me a fetishizer or mentally ill person for saying that i like a couple, it hurts so much being compared to that when i dont anything weird, i dont say anything gross, i feel like such a freak and that i should kill myself and seek forgiveness. im so tired of being harassed for things i never did and never will do.

#shipping discourse #bts army #bts jikook #jikook #kookmin #minkook #aroace

[taehyungfirst]

im gonna RANT sorry but what the actual FUCK is wrong w this fandom, especially solos ?? i go on twitter for five fucking seconds and see “jungkook leave bts” and “jungkook go solo” trending on twitter ?? and also the fucking mass cancellation of borahae evidently. like what the fuck is wrong w all of these ppl and how can they dare to call themselves armys ?? i love bts endlessly but i will say with my fucking chest i hate this fandom so much and im honestly so ashamed to be associated w these freaks. thankfully i have found you and few other blogs on tumblr who seem to be normal and level headed but my god the majority of the fandom is absolute dog shit.

i’m sorry but like can u imagine jungkook seeing that shit trending? he’d be so upset and confused. like what do these idiots think, he’s gonna see his fans trending “jungkook leave bts” and be like “damn yeah u right thank guys, imma leave” ??? obviously NOT. absolute fucking dumbasses.

Chapter 2 was great artistically, but it was the absolute downfall of the fandom. Solos and akgaes triplicated because they dropped the ot7 mask, they started getting more likes on twitter and people instead of blocking and reporting, started fearing them and now they’re over there able to trend shit whenever they’re bored.

Saying Jk should leave bts is so stupid tho 😭 you must be blind and deaf, and you must have never watched one of his lives. They’re so annoying they don’t even realize how dumb they sound ugh

A cleansing is needed and that cleansing will be 2025 cb when they will realize they’re not disbanding.

#thank you i’m glad you like my blog 🫂 <3 #i’m also very sure that solos will get bored sooner or later for the lack of content and will just drop them like they always do #ask #bts #fandom discourse