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#but Aziraphale has canonically been to jail
stealing-babies · 3 years
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Crowley: Jail is no fun, I’ll tell you that much.
Aziraphale: Oh, you’ve been?
Crowley: Once. In monopoly.
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boylikeanangel · 5 years
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Um. Sorry to be walking in the back door with N*ilman tea, but it’s so whack that prior the show he’s constantly been telling us that Crowley and Aziraphale aren’t canonically gay. But now all of a sudden he’s constantly reblogging stuff or replying to stuff saying explicitly that they are I?? It’s almost like he’s joining the bandwagon just to be accepted or smthn like that. Anyways, just a thought I had, and I know you hate this too
for context, this the kind of shit anon is talking about:
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and yes. I completely agree and think it's completely out of order. Ling covered all of my feelings about this pretty brilliantly and concisely in this great post but yeah this kind of stuff absolutely infuriates me. he does not get to spend 30 years refusing to acknowledge the romantic elements of aziraphale and crowley's relationship, then refuse to make it canon/explicit in the tv adaptation, and then take to twitter and try to make himself seem supportive of it because he realised his cast and crew played him and no one can read it as anything but romantic anymore. he KNOWS he looks like the asshole by refusing to talk about it. that's why he's suddenly on board with the idea. he thinks it'll make him look better and/or more woke by doing this. but it doesn't. it just makes him look like a queerbaiting piece of shit who was too cowardly to bite the bullet and make what everyone regarded as such anyway explicitly canon after denying it for nearly 30 years, and then retroactively reassure everyone that they were correct in their completely understandable interpretation that aziraphale and crowley are a couple after the fact. which is EXACTLY what he is. you can chalk up a lot of queerbaity elements in the show to just michael and david taking the script in a different direction to what was intended and no one stopped them. you can argue that it was their fault that people interpreted their relationship as romantic, and I wouldn't blame you for reaching that conclusion. but this here that n*ilman is doing on twitter? it is completely blatant queerbaiting in service of trying to save his own ass. it's the EXACT SAME SHIT jkr has been pulling for years now, the kind of shit she's been torn to shreds over, and yet I don't see the same kind of outrage over n*ilman's conduct. which honestly really shows how he's got this fandom wrapped right round his finger.
(also I'd like to add that as a cishet man he does not get to decide the labels placed on aziraphale and crowley. his excuse for them not being gay is that they are genderless beings, but come on, it's 20 fucking 19, LGBT labels and identities aren't that fucking black and white anymore. and saying they're not human is not a get out of jail free card for people very rightfully interpreting two relentlessly gaycoded characters as gay. it really shows that he has no understanding of nor any interest to learn LGBT identities and what exactly defines "gay". nonbinary gay people exist. regardless of aziraphale and crowley being human or not, and thereby conforming to a gender binary or not, viewers are going to take this shit at face value, and if two male-presenting characters are in an explicit on-screen relationship, that's going to be read as gay and treated as gay representation. the fact that they are also gnc on top of that would only further the level of LGBT representation, not reduce it. his efforts to bend technicalities of language over backwards to make it so fans can't call aziraphale and crowley gay is honestly really disgusting and I'm sick of cishets thinking they get a say in what actual LGBT people think of and see in characters and media as a whole.)
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winzer · 5 years
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so are they canon gay in good omens or ?
As in kiss-on-screen canon? No. It’s left ambiguous (barely, and if you ask me you will get an incredibly biased answer of years spent shipping them from the books, in which it’s more ambiguous but still Really Gay™, and I am suffering at all the Gay Implications and will fawn over them until I expire). It has been said by the authors years ago in the book their relationship was written to be platonic. For the show, at least Aziraphale’s actor Michael Sheen has stated that he is playing the character as in love with Crowley - though what type of love can be left up to the interpretation of the viewer, and that’s pretty much how it’s been handled. Open ended.I haven’t read all The Discourse™ about Neil Gaiman’s responses because honestly I can’t be assed to get into that kind of nonsense. I’m enjoying it for what I’ve always seen and believed the characters to be - romantically engaged. I think viewing the show it’s actively difficult to not view them as romantically engaged in some way. I do enjoy how it is has been left up to viewer/reader interpretation because it’s queer coded and not queer baited (in my own opinion; ex. it’s not like Destial) and thus if you want to read them as in love, or aromantic, or whatever in between, you aren’t wrong. The only thing I would say is if someone is reading them as Straight™ they are definitely wrong and should be sent to jail immediately.
This is a fun article that made my heart happy.
https://www.bustle.com/p/crowley-aziraphales-good-omens-friendship-is-meant-to-be-ambiguous-according-to-the-stars-17936453
ANYWAY, because I could literally talk for hours on this subject and you poor soul Felt were the first one to open the floodgate, that is the tip of my feelings. I don’t want to get into Tumblr Discourse or Fandom Discourse literally ever and won’t get into any of that. At the end of the day if you haven’t read the book/watched the show I highly recommend both because they are excellent no matter what the romantic takeaway is.
TLDR; “Are they just friends or are they in a relationship?” Answer: Yes
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