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birdmans · 2 years

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could you elaborate on shiv loving tom more than he ever loved her? if you want to obviously

this is just my personal interpretation based off multiple rewatches and consuming interviews w/snook but i genuinely do feel like it not only makes the show more tragic but enhances the quality of the writing + shiv’s character by believing that she loved him more. like the reason i insistently use gone girl quotes w tomshiv is bc beside the obvious they both seriously are nick and amy in their respective ways but specifically the entire “im the cunt you married” speech encapsulates them as a couple bc tom likes the ego boost that being w someone like shiv gives him and shiv likes the idea that someone like tom who was raised in a comfortable household could still love her. but regarding the initial question i simply think that shiv loved tom more bc it all comes down to the fact that she would have never done what he did to her in 3x09. sure she cheated on him and disrespected him and mistreated him but shiv also did the thing she despises most all for his sake by essentially begging logan not to send him to jail. she showed emotion and weakness and everything logan despises knowing that it would hurt her chances of getting everything she’s ever wanted all for tom. this gets brushed over a lot as shiv feeling guilty or something but ppl rly don’t grasp that she was willing to kill everyone including her big brother—but tom was off limits. it’s also interesting to me when i see how her comments abt tom not being part of the family are taken as an insult when that’s literally the nicest thing anyone has ever said to him? but that’s part of what makes tom so compelling bc he wants to be the kind of powerful guy that a roy heiress could fall in love with but that’s where it ends bc he’s seen shiv, in his own words, get fucked and he hasn’t seen logan get fucked once. tom has repeatedly watched shiv get berated by her abusive father but all he can do is offer her a supporting arm or hug bc his ambition runs too deep. we saw his parents we saw how he treats shiv and it’s easy to determine that he knows parents don’t treat their children like that but he still wants to be part of it anyways. shiv on the other hand grew up in this heinous household as the youngest of three brothers with a cold father and an even colder mother yet sometime in her twenties she met minnesota tom who not only gives her stability but makes her feel loved. idk what article it was but i remember snook describing tom as a safe haven to shiv and it’s bc he’s so open w his love for her that she knows it’s real! there’s no mind games w his affection or tricks bc up until s3 she knew felt confident that he wouldn’t deceive her. shiv chose tom most likely under the initial understanding of their relationship being loving but transactional bc that’s all she’s ever known and she saw through tom enough to get the gist of the prestige he’s after but in her eyes at least someone would be on her side! she likes and even craves the power of someone loving her so unabashedly bc shes been deprived of it her whole life. shiv doesn’t have the privilege of being able to show emotion like that, even w her husband, bc all the roys have had vulnerability beat out of them and exploited by their father. anyways i could talk abt shiv all day and idek if im answering your question but to me shiv loves tom more and she discovers this when he sides w logan bc she let him know her as much as anyone could and he still chose her father

#this is incoherent sorry #ask box

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