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thatweirdguyinthebushes · 2 years

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since the manberg era is your specific interest i was wondering if you thought tubbo ever felt guilty about spying for pogtopia, probably not even because of schlatt but because he was lying to fundy and quackity? it’s an interesting thing to think about because tubbo lies pretty much all the time and we don’t have any manberg era vods from his pov.

hmmm. i wouldn't say so. tubbo is actually surprisingly comfortable lying. he never expresses discomfort with it, as far as i recall, only really worrying that he might get caught. he didnt think schlatt was a very good leader either, as he says to wilbur in the lead up to the festival, so he was pretty sure the whole time that he was doing the right thing. i dont think he ever cared much about lying to quackity, because he and quackity weren't the closest pre-festival. they certainly had a relationship, but it wasnt really a good one. a lot of times when schlatt was putting tubbo down, quackity would join in to mock him as well ("I think he's crying!" "Tubbo, are you crying?" "You get paid way too much to cry, Tubbo!") and tubbo pretty openly blamed quackity for schlatt coming to power (they had a whole conversation during the election vod where tubbo tore into him about it lol). fundy, im not as certain, but since no one knew he was a spy and he was pretty good at his villain act, i wouldnt think so.

also, i'd like to throw out, there are a couple manberg era vods/clips from his pov! spreading dsmp vods google sheet propaganda, because its the most useful resource of all time (has all the dsmp vods available on youtube or archive.org including a ton of lost tubbo ones), and specifically throwing out this tiny collection of twitch clips from a spy stream and the manburg festival setup stream. also, as i've said before, wilbur's 'who are you go away' vod is excellent for manburg era tubbo characterization, even though it's second half is wilbur and tommy centric.

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lasnevadaslaborunion · 2 years

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Sorry to drop this to your inbox impromptu i didnt know who else? Would be interested? Esp weeks after the LN finale?

But removal of fundy from las nevadas narrative in the finale made it a simple business arrangment rather than what it was at the ugliest, Which was a political cult

One can argue slime factory is an apparatus of this but the fact Foolish was there because he feared he had no legacy and Fundy was there because he thought no one would mourn him Is just

Gone?

Finale sort of resets him back to the start of Las Nevadas arc, he is in search of assets once again.

All of the sentiment Charlie expressed could also been expressed by Fundy who was lovebombed, reshaped then chained to Las Nevadas by a person he assumed was a friend

And although Qs worldview is chastisized he doesnt. Really get the reprecussions of manipulating people under him. I would describe similar to How Techno had to abandon his chance at a nonviolent life but he didnt suffer in the long run. OF COURSE Q is worse off losing a canon life but he still has Las Nevadas and At Least Foolish if not also Fundy (if he lied to Wil) under his alliance.

These of course could be expanded but the fact finale wouldnt even have fundy speak or regard him as an asset, OR SHOW HORSEMEN is.

Telling.

Don't worry, I love getting long and insightful asks like this :)

This is easily the greatest weakness of the Las Nevadas arc as a whole; while we get some really incredible cinematic moments, not having more "casual" streams in between them means that these movies all feel slightly less than the sum of their parts to different extents. And while Las Nevadas 5 was technically and visually near-pristine, it suffered from this blunting effect more than any other episode. Any character development c!Quackity might have had is hard to gauge for certain, since we've literally seen nothing but a surprised Pikachu face, a handful of apology letters, and a "right, that's over with." Is this new, rebuilt version of Las Nevadas going to be a healthier place? We don't know yet. And though it pains me, we have very little reason to believe so right now.

I haven't gone into it as much as some of my other quibbles, but the lack of spotlight on the other members of the country was another thing I found underwhelming about the finale. Hell, I think the only reference to c!Fundy was a throwaway line about how his gambling addiction alone couldn't fund Las Nevadas's infrastructure, which... hm.

It's especially strange considering that aside from c!Tubbo (who, as much as I would have loved to see him more, could have distanced himself after Ho16), c!Fundy is the only member of Las Nevadas that c!Quackity had a real friendship with prior to this arc. Like you say, he would have been a natural choice to express many of the sentiments that c!Charlie laid out, because he's seen so much of c!Q's behavior play out before - with c!Schlatt, with c!Wilbur, with c!Dream. Perhaps he can't attest to the "become like me!" thing, but that whole "born again" spiel... if he was supposed to be born again, why does he feel like he just replaced nothing with more nothing? It's that "political cult" you talked about, which he was hit by more overtly than anyone else.

A single scene couldn't have completely fixed the emotional disconnect, but here's the proposal I've discussed here time and time again: show us the conversation between c!Quackity and c!Fundy where he leaves Las Nevadas behind. Now, we can place this moment sometime before c!Quackity's second death. Make him confront the reality of his actions and how badly his manipulation has hurt those he enlisted, even someone like c!Fundy, whose recruitment was "just" harsh words mixed with lovebombing. And then, make that near-realization fail, to build tension for the grander takedown later.

The hardest thing to swallow about this potential scene is that on the precipice of his true narrative turning point, c!Quackity would likely need to double down and get vicious. Perhaps he tells c!Fundy everything the poor guy feared hearing; that he would be nothing if he left, that this lack of loyalty is why nobody stays with him, that maybe he truly did make everything he touched worse. Go in hard on the projected self-hatred. But, crucially, c!Quackity cannot deliver on his threat to execute him. And when c!Fundy call his bluff and walks away, he is shaken. He is afraid. He doubts. (And then he rips that doubt apart and goes into the final days of this life with furious abandon.)

This also gives c!Fundy a chance to lash out at an authority figure who, despite their best intentions and big promises, used him for an ego project and then ignored him. He finally gets a moment where he can stand up for himself, only for that moment to leave him worse off than ever before. It offers more context for the dire, suicidal state he was in during Into Pogtopia. And it grants him a well-deserved spotlight, while also underscoring the tragedy of his arc: that no matter how hard he tries, c!Fundy's efforts to make things better are always ignored.

Anyway. This scene is so vivid in my mind, and I will pretend it existed from now on. I'm so sorry to the Mexican Dream and Ranboo shenanigan lovers, but I have my priorities all laid out.

... I really just need to write the dang thing, don't I? Or maybe act it out. Anybody want to RP and film this in Minecraft with me? Anyone at all?

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