#butch hartman/neg

[fourspiceblend]

Massive pet peeve is when a character clearly has BROWN EYES canonically but fandom insists they're "golden" or "amber" or "reddish" or literally any color that isn't brown OR when people draw them with non-brown eyes in fanart and thinks people won't notice. I will snap your neck. Their eyes are BROWN!!!!

#delete later #negative #this post was brought to you by the millionth blue eyed marianne fanart #this is the butch hartman mentality

[thatonelesbianfander]

Full Sanders Sides Recap and Timeline as of the start of 2024

I’m bored so here is a full timeline recap of the Sanders Sides episodes (as well as a few important off-camera events and the more episodic Sanders ASides) before the season 2 finale!

Recap under the cutoff

Season 1- 17 Episodes (October 19, 2016 - July 15, 2017)

S1 E1- My True Identity

October 19, 2016

Lore revealed: Creativity/Prince, Logic/Teach, and Morality/Dad are introduced

Episode summary: C!Thomas and the sides talk about different aspects of Thomas’s personality

S1 E2- WAY TOO ADULT

November 21, 2016

Stove is introduced and then never seen again :(

C!Thomas and Morality discuss ways of becoming an adult and independent

S1 E3- Taking on ANXIETY with Lilly Singh!!

December 19, 2016

Anxiety is introduced

C!Thomas and C!Lilly Singh talk about the different ways to cope and deal with anxiety

S1 E4- A New Year of Lying to Myself… In Song!!

January 2, 2017

First song of the series, Lies, is sung

C1Thomas and the sides talk about goals for the New Year

S1 E5- The Dark Side of Disney!

January 9, 2017

No important lore discoveries or reveals

C!Thomas, Creativity, and Anxiety talk about the different messages Disney movies provide

EVENT- Vine shuts down, C!Thomas moves to making content on YouTube

January 17, 2017

S1 E6- I’M IN A DISNEY SHOW!!

January 23, 2017

No important lore discoveries or reveals

C!Thomas accounts his experiences being on a Disney show with the sides

S1 E7- The MIND vs. The HEART!

January 30, 2017

No important lore discoveries or reveals

C!Thomas, Logic, and Morality come up with compromises for past arguments

S1 E8- Alone on VALENTINE’S DAY!

February 13, 2017

C!Valerie is introduced

C!Thomas and the sides discuss how to ask someone out on a date using C!Valerie as an example

S1 E9- Losing My Motivation

Feb 28, 2017

Logic’s name is revealed to be Logan

C!Thomas, Logic, and Morality investigate to find out why C!Thomas is procrastinating on working on a new video

S1 E10- Sanders Sides Q&A!

March 7, 2017

No important lore discoveries or reveals

C!Thomas and the sides answer questions from the viewers

S1 E11- Am I ORIGINAL?

March 22, 2017

Prince’s name is revealed to be Roman

C!Thomas and the sides discuss different ideas trying to get an original idea

S1 E12- My NEGATIVE Thinking

April 4, 2017

No important lore discoveries or reveals

Logan and Anxiety have a debate after C!Thomas flunked an audition earlier that day

EVENT- First birthday of C!Thomas since the start of the series

April 24, 2017

S1 E13- Growing Up

May 1, 2017

Morality’s name is revealed to be Patton and the mind palace is introduced

C!Thomas and the sides discuss the proper steps to adulthood

S1 E14- Making Some Changes!

May 23, 2017

The sides are revealed to be able to shape shift

The sides shape shift into C!Thomas’s friends, C!Joan, C!Talyn, C!Terrence, and C!Valerie

S1 E15- Becoming a CARTOON!

June 9, 2017

No important lore discoveries or reveals

C!Thomas breaks into C!Butch Hartman’s office in an attempt to become a cartoon, and him and the sides become cartoons for a day

S1 E16- ACCEPTING ANXIETY, Part 1/2: Excepting Anxiety!

June 10, 2017

Anxiety ducks out, and the concept of the sides having their own rooms is introduced

C!Thomas and the sides find out that Thomas doesn’t have any anxiety and come up with a plan to go to his room to find out why

S1 E17- ACCEPTING ANXIETY, Part 2/2: Can Anxiety Be Good?

June 10, 2017 (Posted IRL on July 15, 2017)

Anxiety’s room Anxiety’s name is revealed to be Virgil, and Anxiety gets a redemption arc

C!Thomas and the sides discuss the positives of anxiety

EVENT- C!Thomas and C!Thomas’s ex break up (C!Thomas’s ex’s name unknown, but is referred to as an “Old lover” in the Wes Anderson Sanders ASides)

July 15, 2017

Season 2- 15 Episodes (September 1, 2017 - Present)

S2 E1- Fitting In (Hogwarts Houses!)

September 1, 2017

The sides get costume updates

C!Thomas and the sides discuss the idea of fitting in using the idea of Hogwarts houses from Harry Potter

S2 E2- MOVING ON, Part 1/2: Exploring Nostalgia

October 3, 2017

Patton’s room is revealed

C!Thomas and the sides go to Patton’s room so Thomas can cope with a recent breakup

S2 E3- MOVING ON, Part 2/2: Dealing With a Breakup

October 2, 2017 (Posted IRL on October 25, 2017)

Patton gets his iconic cat hoodie from Logan

The plot of the first part continues as C!Thomas and the sides discuss the negative sides to nostalgia after Logan leaves

S2 E4- The Sanders Sides 12 DAYS OF CHRISTMAS!

December 24, 2017

No important lore discoveries or reveals

The sides sing their rendition of the Christmas carol, The 12 Days of Christmas, with several different antics

EVENT- C!Thomas misses a reading of C!Joan’s play

February 2, 2018

S2 E5- Can LYING Be Good??

February 3, 2018

Deceit is introduced and it’s revealed that the sides can only be seen by C!Thomas

C!Thomas and the sides discuss the many different forms of lies through stage theatre after C!Thomas misses a reading of C!Joan’s play

S2 E6- Why Do We Get Out of Bed in the Morning?

April 12, 2018

No important lore discoveries or reveals

Logan and Roman have a debate about why C!Thomas does everything that he does

S2 E7- Crofters - The MUSICAL!

April 19, 2018

No important lore discoveries or reveals

C!Thomas, Logan, and Roman sing a song about jelly after getting a sponsorship from Crofter’s Organic and Logan gets his own jelly flavor

EVENT- Thomas is told about Lee and Mary Lee’s wedding

September 26, 2018 (date revealed by Logan in SvS)

S2 E8- Learning New Things About Ourselves

October 29, 2018

No important lore discoveries or reveals

C!Thomas and the sides discuss learning new things about themselves while using puppets

S2 E9- EMBARRASSING PHASES: The Nightmare Instead of Christmas!

December 24, 2018

No important lore discoveries or reveals

C!Thomas and the sides discuss the concept of phases using Halloween costumes

S2 E10- Selfishness v. Selflessness

March 31, 2019

No important lore discoveries or reveals

C!Thomas and the sides discuss selfishness and selflessness in a mock court room setting after Thomas gets a callback scheduled for the same day as a wedding for his two friends, Lee and Mary Lee

S2 E11- Dealing with INTRUSIVE THOUGHTS

April 2, 2019 (Posted IRL on June 25, 2019)

The Duke is introduced and name is revealed to be Remus

C!Thomas and the sides discuss the topic of intrusive thoughts after Thomas couldn’t get to sleep due to a really bad nightmare

S2 E12- Are There Healthy Distractions?

April 10, 2019 (Posted IRL on November 22, 2019)

No important lore discoveries or reveals

C!Thomas and the sides discuss different kinds of distractions while watching Disney’s Frozen

S2 E13- Putting Others First - Selfishness v. Selflessness Redux

April 13, 2019 (Posted IRL on May 1 2020)

Deceit’s name is revealed to be Janus

C!Thomas, Roman, and Patton discuss the concept of putting other people before yourself

EVENT- POF endcard scene

April 30, 2019

S2 E14- Flirting with Social Anxiety

October 10, 2020

Nico Flores is introduced

C!Thomas, Roman, and Virgil work out a way to try and talk to a guy in the food court of a mall

EVENT- The Return of the Jam!- The sides all get their own jelly flavors

February 19, 2021

S2 E15- Working THROUGH Intrusive Thoughts

April 20, 2021 (Posted IRL on July 31, 2021) (using the date that can be seen on C!Thomas’s phone in episode)

The orange side is teased for the first time through Logan’s outburst

C!Thomas and Logan discuss different kinds of intrusive thoughts while C!Thomas stresses about cleaning up his apartment

EVENT- Have I Grown? - Five Years Later (Sanders Sides 5 year anniversary special)

Posted: November 14, 2021

S2 E16- Can Plushies Improve Our Health? (Sanders ASides)

August 26, 2022

No important lore discoveries or reveals

C!Thomas and the sides discuss the many ways plushies can be helpful

EVENT- “Into the Unknown” - Over the Garden Wall Cover (Sanders ASides)

October 31, 2022

Janus sings for the first time in the series

EVENT- If Wes Anderson Directed the Sanders Sides… (Sanders ASides)

June 23, 2023

EVENT- The Sides Need a Nice Day (Sanders ASides)

July 16, 2023

S2 E17- Virgil Reacts to Anxiety from Inside Out 2 (Sanders ASides)

November 19, 2023

No important lore discoveries or reveals

C!Thomas and the sides discuss the different ways anxiety can present in other people after Virgil reacts negatively to the Anxiety character that was revealed in the trailer for Inside Out 2

S2 E18- What Makes the Perfect Gift? (Sanders ASides)

December 23, 2023

No important lore discoveries or reveals

C!Thomas and the sides discuss the many different types of gifts through a secret Santa type of activity when Thomas can’t think of a gift to give Nico

#thatonelesbianfander #sanders sides #thomas sanders #thatsthat24 #tss #sasi #sanders sides lore #sanders sides timeline #roman sanders #remus sanders #janus sanders #logan sanders #patton sanders #virgil sanders #nico flores #c!thomas sanders #tss remus #tss logan #tss virgil #tss roman #tss patton #tss janus #ts sides #ts janus #ts remus #ts roman #ts virgil #ts logan #ts patton

[lovelylogans]

i'm doing! more! polls! this time i'm doing a tournament based on favorite episodes! i put all the episode names into a random generator, so these pairings were not chosen for any reason in particular! i've discounted blooper episodes and song covers, so sorry if those were your faves!

either scroll through the tag on my blog, or find the links to the polls here! (winners in bolded italics.)

round one:

alone on valentine's day vs. my negative thinking

moving on part two vs. a new year of lying to myself

putting others first vs. can lying be good?

twelve days of christmas vs. the mind vs. the heart

losing my motivation vs. my true identity

moving on part one vs. working through intrusive thoughts

the dark side of disney vs. becoming a cartoon ft. butch hartman

making some changes vs. embarrassing phases

sanders sides q&a season one vs. learning new things about ourselves

selfishness vs selflessness vs. accepting anxiety part two

flirting with social anxiety vs. why do we get out of bed in the morning?

have i grown? vs. dealing with intrusive thoughts

growing up vs. accepting anxiety part one

the return of the jam vs. fitting in (hogwarts houses)

am i original? vs. i'm in a disney show!

crofters the musical vs. taking on anxiety with lilly singh

are there healthy distractions? vs. giving my series to a teenager

round two:

am i original? vs. embarrassing phases

accepting anxiety part one vs. the dark side of disney

dealing with intrusive thoughts vs. can plushies improve our mental health?

learning new things about ourselves vs. flirting with social anxiety

twelve days of christmas vs. are there healthy distractions?

fitting in (hogwarts houses) vs. crofters the musical

my negative thinking vs. selfishness vs. selflessness

losing my motivation vs. working through intrusive thoughts

a new year of lying to myself vs. putting others first

SUDDEN DEATH:

embarrassing phases vs. flirting with social anxiety

round three: quarter finals

dealing with intrusive thoughts vs. flirting with social anxiety

putting others first vs. working through intrusive thoughts

are there healthy distractions? vs. selfishness vs. selflessness

accepting anxiety part one vs. crofters the musical

round four: semifinals

accepting anxiety part one vs. dealing with intrusive thoughts

selfishness vs. selflessness vs. working through intrusive thoughts

round five: finals

dealing with intrusive thoughts vs. selfishness vs. selflessness

#episode bowl 2023

[monkey-network]

My Issues/Problems/Disgusts Resolved(?)

When you have issues, troubles, or disgusts with anything, the hardest but relieving thing to do coming to terms with them. A couple of years ago, I made a trilogy of posts exploring three people I found ranging from repugnant to devious. It came at a time when frustrations might as well have come out and frankly they were just about people everyone was more than aware of online. Enough time has passed and while this isn't just gonna be me apologizing or being remorseful for what I said, I want to I guess truly bury the hatchet and resolve these stuck-around feelings as somebody that has... been humbled a lot over these years (make of that what you will). This is coming from somebody that knows a lot about staying in your own head. So yeah, let's talk.

Lily Orchard [OP Link]

Gotta say that... nothing's really changed only in that it's all less with anger now. Put this first because it'll be short. To be as sincere as I can, she's just an unlikable person. Regardless of her out there opinions and ideas of media literacy, or her choices in fictional tastes, I won't be the guy that will throw every evil label and the kitchen sink onto her. Calling the spade a spade, even as a former fan I saw that within reason it was seeing a very insatiable and arrogant media "critic" with negative social skills. Hell, the mentions you see of her on Tumblr or Twitter especially are just the open secret that most people don't like her. For me, that resentment has become passive chagrin.

I won't convince anybody of who she can really be, how bad she can be at being both original and derivative, or what she is potentially. I wouldn't say a lost cause, but there's nothing complicated about this anymore. She's just a massive asshole. Not because of any human characteristic of hers, her opinions, or what was known about her in the past. Take away any personal semantics or bias, I remain only puzzled about how her circle is able to tolerate her presence because she's just an unlikable person and that's all on her.

Butch Hartman {OP Link}

2020 basically was the year where a man responsible for one of the most popular cartoons on Nickelodeon finished swan-diving his reputation just as fast as the likes of John K and Justin Roiland. From scheming a streaming service that still isn't out of early access yet to making a Christian flash cartoon that looks 20 years too late. It's a classic story of pride coming before the fall, culminating in his Youtube channel being a wasteland aside from sketch tiktoks that barely make the thousands in views despite his huge follower count. As much as LSMark looked to make good-faith conversation with him recently, Butch basically became a ghost now after all the controversies died down.

Now despite what I said initially, Butch's fall in reputation is definitely not comparable to Kricfalusi or Roiland's; we've heard nothing of him physically taking advantage of anybody in or out the industry. The worse he's done is take advantage of his legacy for either financial or supportive gains. This is not as bad as domestic or sexual assault of course, but it spoke wonders of how the ego of big time creators can kill any goodwill and faith when they're not actually considerate of the following that respect them. A quick search of his name on Youtube is more about the people discussing his controversies than anything he worked on. People still discuss Danny Phantom and Fairly Oddparents, hell the Cosmo mpreg episode is a meme to this day, but with the detachment towards Butch as the creator.

I'm fine with this predicament, but it's sad to believe this was all on him. It wasn't just about Oaxis being a scam or him saying "he created your childhood" or heaven forbid his attempts of promoting religious healing, it was about seeing a creator of some things you liked reveal himself as someone in a bubble that you lose any idea in looking up to. It's not exactly "Don't Meet Your Heroes," more "Don't glue on rose-tinted glasses". I won't force or insult what remains of Butch's "fanbase" for sticking with him, but this definitely woke me up in terms of how I view the creators I love. Humility is the special word in all this, where some creators can have some disapproving moments but you can still have respect for their craft. With Butch, it wasn't even him entirely that made his shows look great. As of now, he's making poorly illustrated kid's bible stories with Fairly Oddparents getting a live-action show that Nickelodeon regretted making immediately after releasing to the point of erasing it all not even a full year after it was first announced. Even when things are probably fine now, the guy fell off as hard as I expected originally. I can seriously put this behind knowing I was factually right on the money the first time and that does put a smile on my face.

Also... Butt Shartman. That's all, let's move on.

Mysterious Mr. Enter (OP Link)

I'll say this was the reason why I made this post. Lily and Hartman I say speak of an absence of change and reflecting on that absence. Mr. Enter is different and, cut to the chase, it has to do with this recent video.

I've talked my fair share of shit toward Mr. Enter these past few years, reasonably so. At the same time, my vitriol toward him came from some semblance of respect. Many have to this day brought up Mr. Enter calling out the writers of Spongebob for a particular episode they did, but John is right in that that was around the time he barely had a following and just started out with media reviews. Mr. Enter has made bad opinions, I will never deny that and this isn't me defending him, but I see that he can recognize they're bad. He's better than Lily Orchard in that... he can admit being wrong and grow from it. We meme and shit on this dude, but for me, there was still that modicum of respect I had for him being this dedicated. In spite of the harassment or the justified backlash, he's still putting in the effort.

Over the years, I've come to understand that media critics can have different understandings of media. That doesn't mean every critic is always right in their own way, grifters exist for a reason, but I don't see Mr. Enter as a grifter-type critic compared to people who to this day complain about The Last Jedi. He can have some off takes on the types of humor or tropes in a cartoon, but more often than not he's being sincere. That's why I say he still has some respect from me for as long as I've known him. Every bad take aside, I don't take him as somebody who is "ruining media criticism".

I don't agree with everything he says or believes, but John's doing better than I can say for Butch Hartman or Lily Orchard especially. He's doing Admirable Animations again, something I brought up originally, and am intrigued to see that he indirectly took my advice. He can work well with more positive videos. I never felt he was an actively terrible critic, Turning Red meme aside, and I didn't want to just treat him as the bane of online media criticism or the worst thing to ever happen. The dude has his faults but can acknowledge them better than most online personalities I've seen who feel it's weak to admit anything. He's no different from the Nostalgia Critic where the tumultuous attitudes toward them in the past have subsided where yeah, I'm not gonna side with every bad opinion or choice they make but they aren't actively killing any goodwill I would have for them. It's not pity, but making your empathy less black and white compared to people more deserving of scrutiny. Overall I still have hopes Mr. Enter will do better, imperfect as things can get.

Conclusion

I wanna say this post and the former three I made reflected the increased awareness and discourse of the parasocial relationships we can have, especially online. There have been plenty of people that certainly abused their status and paid for it, these three stayed in the mind for how consistently they tracked in soiling their reputation. At the same time, how wary we are about things or the people we followed isn't always cut and dry. That's why the title has the question mark in parentheses, nothing ever ends so I'm not saying these current feelings will just be buried away and forgotten forever. I just know that for this current future, it's better to seriously lay things to rest while subconsciously keeping in mind what can be done differently from now on. To conclude, this is all better than having to care about people like Andrew Tate or Elon Musk living another day.

#mysterious mr enter #mr enter #Butch Hartman #lily orchard #media #Youtube #sorry for the rant 'n bant

[cappycapital]

reminder that terminal montage is best friends with butch hartman /neg

[faithblob-says-things]

Fuck you Butch Hartman

#butch hartman/neg #love the shows he made #hate him as a person #also stay away from dsmp pls #i'm begging you #i seen the mikasa art #i seen the gon art #i seen the avatar art #it's all so bad #it's so inconsistent #coming from a fellow artist #the sketches were okay #and while i understand getting into what's relevant and seeing what the hype is about #make art for it if you actually enjoy it #when i was younger i looked up to you and respected you greatly #now while i may not have anything underneath my belt #i can proudly say i no longer do so #and am just remotely disgusted with you #so from the bottom of my heart mr. hartman #fuck you #and have a terrible day :D

[comfymoth]

hey guys! just another small friendly reminder that butch hartman has openly mocked suicide multiple times, claimed that mental illness is a fake modern issue, claimed that autism can be cured by prayer, along with several other absolutely foul lies. he’s a proud member of the church of bethel, an ultra-conservative evangelical group, and you absolutely should not be giving him any attention.

#butch hartman #psa #negative #i know it’s funny to dunk on lame designs. but please remember that this man is legitmately fucking dogshit #i know some of you guys are young and don’t know and that’s why i’m saying this

[mcmoth]

A thought just occurred to me

Butch Hartman would be a c!Dream apologist

#/hj #i'm sorry #dream smp #butch hartman #dreamwastaken #tommyinnit #am i wrong tho? the 'back in my day we didn't commit su/cide' dude would definitely look down on c!tommy gdjfhfhfhgh #negative #suicide mention tw #reblog

[dreamsclock]

BUTCH HARTMAN DREW TOMMYINNIT THIS IS NOT A DRILL D:<

i cannot deal with this why is this our timeline

#/neg …….. they’re just doing it for clout and that Annoys Me #> my asks !! #tw butch hartman

[cottagecoretommyinnit]

WHY DOES HE HAVE A CAPE. WHY DOES HE HAVE A DAGGER. A POTION?? WHY IS HIS HAIR LIKE THAT.

this pisses me off to a degree i cannot even begin to explain c!tommy i am so sorry i will protect u

#i just. hate this. so much #he doesn’t even care about the characters and like the importance of their appearance #he just does this shit #grrrrrr #negative #butch hartman

[sketchychoco]

Me: *Tries to not waste my time with Butch Hartman topic*

Also me: *Does the #my200vsbutch200 just to get someone's approval, which I haven't received* My art is a failed cartoon attempt. 

#sketchotalks #butch hartman discourse #i'm negative to myself alot

[thatcartoonnetworkblog]

“Hi, I’m Butch Hartman, and I created your childhood!”

No, you created a couple of middling shows that were best meant for when nothing else was on and ran well past their prime.

#butch hartman #butch hartman negativity #oaxis

[gritsandbrits]

When even Phantom Planet was a better series finale than Cleaved.

#anti phantom planet #phantom planet is terrible #phantom planet is not canon #phantom planet #cleaved #anti cleaved #svtfoe salt #svtfoe negativity #danny phantom #anti daron nefcy #anti butch hartman

[dylansdavis]

This is the year where I found out that the people that made me want to create content are assholes. Doug Walker and now Butch Hartman. 

#Life #Life sucks #Butch Hartman sucks #Doug Walker sucks #negativity #angry #upset

[immaturityofthomasastruc]

To be fair, despite the atrocious writing of Chloe (being even worse than before) and Zoe (being a Mary-sue),...Zoe only really appeared in two episodes (three if you count Optigami). Believe me, I understand and agree that Zoe is a Mary-Sue, but honestly? There’s still part of me that has grown a soft spot for her and wants to give her a chance to develop as a character. However, in NO WAY that means that I don’t agree with Chloe’s character assignation.

I really was hoping for Chloe’s character development, redemption and more Queen Bee, but as much as we all dislike it, seems like that’s not happening at all anytime soon. I personally have a soft spot for both Zoe and Chloe and PRAY for their characters to get better, but I understand the hate for both. However, people seem to forget the mastermind behind them that’s making them like this: Thomas ASStruc 🙄

Thomas expects us to try to see things his way ALL THE TIME and expects constant praise for DOING HIS JOB, but then not only acts like this, but isn’t “blocking out negativity”, but “blocking out anyone who disagrees with his line of thinking instead of trying to understand where WE are coming from”. I don’t hate Thomas nor the show (I think it’s decent), but I don’t agree with some of his ways of thinking or some of the ways he handles the show in writing. He promotes forgiveness...only for a grown man and a psychopathic lair but not for the FOURTEEN spoiled rich girl with redeemable qualities and with the mom issues? He appears to care about Sabrina’s mistreatment by Chloe, but then does NOTHING about it or give her more screentime? He wants people to AUTOMATICALLY like Zoe, but doesn’t give her more purpose other than replacing Chloe???

People say “ReSPEct the creators or don’t watch the show”, but how can you really respect someone if they don’t do the same for you OR their characters? Also, I find it pretty unfair that anyone who complains about the show is looked down upon instead of people AT Least TRYING to understand. Hate and criticism are completely different things and people have the right to not be ok with the writing of ML, even if it’s something they like. You CAN criticize something you love you know.

It’s clear that like a lot of things in this show, Zoe is an interesting character conceptually. I like the idea of a more down to earth sibling to contrast with the more high-maintenance Chloe. I seriously want to like Zoe, but from what I’ve seen in “Sole Crusher” and “Queen Banana”, I really don’t see her as much of a character and more as a way for Astruc to rub in the fact that Chloe is most likely never getting a redemption arc and that he’s such a smart writer for wasting everyone’s time.

I don’t hate Astruc either. I have defended him from more unfair criticism at times like with the Brazil hero controversy and even called out people who send death threats to him or his family. At the end of the day, Astruc’s biggest crime is being kind of a jerk on Twitter.

It is entirely possible to separate the art from the artist. Everyone hates Butch Hartman for multiple reasons, but nobody really hates the shows he’s worked on like Danny Phantom or The Fairy OddParents. So many fandoms nowadays treat any form of criticism as an attack to their show. Go on the RWBY Subreddit and make a post criticizing Robyn Hill. I guarantee you’ll get some kind of backlash within minutes.

Yes, there are some takes on Miraculous Ladybug that I disagree with, but people have the right to express different opinions like that. I simply want to criticize problems I personally have with the show, and I don’t want to tell anyone that they are factually wrong for liking it. I simply want to explain why I feel the show does certain things wrong

#immaturity of thomas astruc #iota #thomas astruc #thomas astruc salt #zoe lee #vesperia #chloe bourgeois #queen bee #queen b

[walks-the-ages]

An Incomplete List of Characters and "ships" in Miraculous Ladybug that are NOT representation, merely collections of sterotypes, whitewashing, and queerbaiting:

Queer baiting Juleka/Rose and Marc/Nathaniel for brownie points with the queer side of fandom while maintaining plausible deniability by having zero evidence in the show's canon and any 'shipping' scenes being purely coincidental and constantly reinforcing that they're "Like sisters!" and having even less canon "evidence" for Marc and Nathaniel by having them bonding over obsessing over a girl and writing about Nathaniel having a superhero girlfriend.

Word-of-god-via-twitter ""confirming"" that Marc is nonbinary....... while again having zero evidence for that in the show other than the fact that Marc... paints his nails and is shy.

Giving all of the female asian characters bright blue hair and light or impossible blue eyes to make them more appealing, while the male asian characters are allowed to have black hair and dark eyes. Marinette being half-chinese is literally only brought up in a single episode and it's no wonder half the fandom is convinced she's adopted, because she is so completely whitewashed it's a joke. And yes, she IS whitewashed, because we have many many examples of her orignal designs where she had monolid dark eyes and explicitly black hair instead of bright anime-blue hair!

Another way to know Marinette is whitewashed? I mean, aside from having her culture explained to her by a white boy? Aside from her mom having zero interaction with her direct relatives? Aside from Marinette knowing nothing about her culture?

Her eyes are bright "bluebell" blue. Meanwhile, her mom's eyes are grey, her dad's eyes are hazel/green, her grandfather's eyes are brown, her grandmother's eyes are brown, her great uncle's eyes are black. Unless they're going to come crawling out of the woodworks in the Shanghai Special and show us that Sabine's parents have alien blue eyes, it's literally impossible for Marinette to have blue eyes. Her eyes were dark grey in her original design. you cannot make excuses for the racist, whitewashing choices the creators make.

Whitewashing Alya by literally lightening her skin multiple shades while she's a superhero, giving her bigger lips, and cinching her waistline to a ridiculous degree while she's a superhero, giving her an hourglass-figure transformation worthy of Butch Hartman's Valerie Gray vs Red Huntress design.

Alya is ALSO the ONLY PERSON in her family to have bright red and smooth hair, while the rest of her family members have dark brown, naturally-textured hair. it should also be noted that Nora, who is supposed to be a 'cool' character has unnaturally yellow eyes, further othering her from her 'mundane' parents and twin siblings.

Giving Chris, Nino's younger brother, unnaturally colored light eyes and hair, bright amber eyes and literal stawberry-brown, smooth vs Nino's regular brown eyes and close-cropped, dark brown hair, because let's be real, at this point Chris has more meaningful screentime and personality than Nino does, because Nino's personality changes to fit the episode's plot demands, but he's always a sterotype of one kind or another. Not to mention Chris pretty much exists to be the mystery Big Bad Supervillain Timetagger, while Nino as an akuma gets to be... Bubbler.

Making Aeon/Uncanny Valley an actually normal, natural-looking black girl.... and then literally making her a white robot deigned to serve humanity unconditonally, who then dies on screen for the sympathy of her white pretty boy killer, and SHE's the one who has to BEG him to start being a hero again when he gives up his ring. She's also every negative sterotype about autistic characters ever, viewing the people around her as nothing more than objects that have to obey her limited worldview, in this case insisting that Marinette and Adrien are "perfect for each other" on first sight, despite zero evidence to that, going out of her way to ship them and put them into close situations as she is literally nothing more than a mouthpeice for the creators to reinforce that the Lovesquare is Endgame and that Adrien Can Do No Wrong, even if the 'wrong' in question is on-screen manslaughter.

Jessica Keynes / Sparrow, ALSO from the NY Special is once again, every single racist Native American Sterotype possible shoved into a blender and then decked out in red white and blue and given the bald eagle Miraculous as an extra little 'fuck you' to erasing the suffering and atrocities commited against Native Americans even to this day in America. Don't believe me? instead of listening to every white fan fangirling over the 'diversity' in the ML NY special, how about listening to the million and one native fans calling the Special out on the racism and stereotypes?

You cannot claim that ML has 'diversity' and 'representation' when every single character is nothing but a jumbled mix of racist sterotypes and queerbaiting.

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