#c!sam negativity

[dr3amofagame]

forgive me my demons but i see this take so much and it drives me a little crazy . c!Sam is stupid, obviously. He has no self-awareness, he somehow completely misses on the fact that his actions have social ramifications, he has a sense of entitlement a mile high and thinks that everyone automatically should fall in line and agree with his authority just because he decides that he has it. he navigates conversations with the grace of a wrecking ball because he assumes that everyone will agree with him being In The Right and therefore doesn't actually go for much more convincing half the time than "do what i say or you'll end up locked up in an inescapable prison." his moral compass is a roulette wheel and his justifications incomprehensible.

but at the same time, c!Sam is far from unintelligent. like, not just anyone was going to CREATE and then RUN pandora's fucking vault. he made a world eater ?? if there's like anyone on the server that could reasonably create shit to cause mass destruction across the server other than like the literal fucking nukes, then yeah it'd be him, see the world eater again. sure, he makes the craziest fucking assumptions off the fact that he's Right And Justified And The Ultimate Authority And Everyone Should Agree With That, but he's also able to lie and manipulate and gaslight and coerce and threaten pretty much without breaking a sweat if he ever deems doing so necessary for his own goals, and it's not like the methods by which he does so are like, all that clumsy either. like people absolutely bought his whole deal early on in the prison arc, believing him to be a well-meaning, burdened Warden doing Whatever It Takes for the good of the server, which did in large part have to do with how his character talked about the prison to others and such, etc. just because c!sam is crazy bonkers and expects his ex to forgive him chopping their arm off doesn't mean that he's completely incapable of being pretty damn convincing at some points.

and like, even more importantly, his being dumb really didn't make him ANY less intimidating. i'd argue that it made him A LOT WORSE, honestly! just because his moral bullshit is twisted up in knots doesn't mean that he's any less dangerous for it. c!sam is, honestly, from the top of my head, one of the most casual about being violent on the server, purely because he believes he has a Right to it. he believes that people owe him obedience by virtue of who he is. he threw several people into pandora's vault WITHOUT LIKE, ANYONE KNOWING just because he decided that they deserved to be put in prison. he kidnaps a toddler??? c!Sam really doesn't bend himself in half trying to justify things according to someone else's moral system; as he literally does in that one scene with c!Bad during the stream where they investigated Sam Bucket, he literally just. is the epitome of the guy that lets himself do shit because he has a self-written permit that says i do what i want. the only thing getting in the way of c!sam's bullshit is c!sam, and i think that people honestly chronically overestimate how much he holds himself back from horrific violence. he stabbed a teenager to Make A Point about his authority? he repeatedly threatens hannah, one of his own employees, because of things she did while being mind controlled--and then like, uses this to excuse himself of? workplace harassment? in the stream after techno escapes with dream, he literally MAKES UP A REASON to be really fucking angry at dream and then threatens TO TORTURE HIM over it. when new people joined the server he would threaten them with a sword for asking questions about the prison in a way that seemed too 'dream sympathetic.' and he regularly tells people that he would commit all the atrocities again, including ponk, because he's entirely 100% convinced that everything he does is justified?

and a lot of the stuff people hold against him, like. sure, his plan to contain technoblade didnt work, but it SURE DID WORK BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE THAT TRIED, DIDNT IT? like techno would've been decently screwed if he didn't have a statis chamber set up. and well, the situation with dream speaks for itself--he was stuck in there for ten months. a lot of what people attribute to c!Sam's stupidity really does very little if anything to make him less scary--less effective, maybe, but for every time his moral bullshit gets in the way of him getting something that he wants there's probably a few other times you can find where his ability to justify himself out of anything makes him do something fucking ridiculous . anyway i dont even have a point to all of this except c!sam is scary as fuck bro

#c!Sam critical #c!Sam neg #like he's bonkers. #also like the times he fails are like well his TNT plot didnt work against the eldritch egg like that's HIS fault #and then stuff like well he let tommy die like that was just about stupidity and had nothing to do with him showing the fuck off #i feel like he gets underestimated a lot in fandom lmao which like. i mean. #honestly c!sam's victim complex 'oo i had to do it im not a bad guy i just didn't have a choice' copium is off the damn charts #so it's a little funny to see i think the way his pathetic paper bagisms end up reflected in fandom attitudes about him #also people way underestimate c!sam's ability to manipulate like for real #just because he's weirdly and terrifyingly earnest at the craziest moments because he thinks he sounds perfectly normal #while saying like the craziest bullshit you've ever heard in your life #doesnt make him incapable of lying and shit when he thinks he has to #anyway #i love him your honor

[moondancer2303]

The Warden is looking after his prisoner.

#dsmp fanart #awesamdude #dream #vaultduo #c!sam #c!dream #dsmp sam #dsmp dream #Sam’s hair is made of leaves and wilts when he’s under stress or other negative emotions #so dream’s helping him out #how nice #pruning session #his eye is a prothestic btw #dream insisted he make the pupil green

[elmhat]

I think it's about time to bring back this beautiful clip of Sam getting a bit too real and going off on Quackity about the casino

#c!sam #c!quackity #lore thoughts #none of this is neg at all. just to clarify #this whole stream was hilarious

[hopalongfairywren]

The way c!Awesamfam is made for c!Tommy's sake becomes abundant once you take into account every other character's lore and see how it reframes the sexist abuse c!Sam put Hannah through as lighthearted paternal frustration. Or just omits it in general. I know inniters love dunking on c!Dream apologists for defending abuse but there's another whole ass green man abuser character who funnily enough is praised or ignored. Funny that.

#dsmp fandom neg #dsmp #dream smp #dsmpblr #c!sam neg #inniter neg #c!tommy #c!hannah #c!sam #misogyny in fandom #misogyny in mcyt

[x-i-l-verify]

c!Clingy, after stalking a sick, injured torture victim for weeks, breaking into his house, hunting him down like an animal as he desperately tried to defend himself/flee, and murdering him in cold blood in the very room where he was abused, starved, and tortured for nearly an entire year:

#dreblr #dsmp lore spoilers #c!tubbo neg #c!tommy neg #XI Yammers #fam i'm livid #i can't get over this #i'm so fucking mad #your heroes and protagonists fandom! aren't you so proud :))) #of course Tommy's trauma matters more than Dream's trauma Dream's problems Dream's LIFE because of COURSE it does it always has from day 1 #Tommy's wants and needs and desires ALWAYS come first #fuck Dream he deserves all the shit Tommy's given him since his first day on the server and more because he's the ~villain~ #nah fam fuck that noise #Even Dream never wanted Tommy dead! #Exile was bad yadda yadda but the end goal was NEVER Tommy's death! Dream never wanted Tubbo dead either! #I don't think Dream has actively WANTED anyone dead except for Sam and Quackity and even then not permanently #(maybe Quackity but eh that's debatable) #But naur Tommy feels bad Tommy's paranoid Tommy's angry Tommy wants even MORE revenge so Dream's gotta die #murdering him twice already wasn't enough Dream getting tortured for months wasn't enough #he's not allowed to keep his last life because his very existence just makes poor lil Tommy feel too bad :((( #god I hope c!Clingy gets the asskicking of a lifetime once Punz brings Dream back I'm looking FORWARD to it

[dreamsclock]

I was halfway through a post abt how c!Bad isn’t victim-blaming c!Tommy by having empathy for c!Dream, and I was gonna reblog it right up to the last sentence where they said c!Dream was gaslighting c!Sam in prison to make him feel bad 😭 Bitch wtf

Its still surreal to me that ppl think c!Dream was gaslighting c!Sam during the prison arc. Even if you believe c!Dream is the most evil unredeemable cartoon villain in the world he literally had no power in that situation. Like dont u think he’d gaslight his way into not eating raw potatoes all the time or something

Maybe I would b willing to give Dream antis the benefit of the doubt if it weren’t for the fact most of them have no critical thinking skills and they send random ppl death threats for liking a fictional dude smh

it’s a shame people don’t realise “c!bad has empathy for c!tommy but is frustrated by him” and “c!bad has empathy for and maybe even cares for c!dream” can coexist as takes :’) like ! they’re not mutually exclusive !! especially considering nobody really seems to know about exile !!

re: c!dream gaslighting in prison…. are people forgetting c!sam is THE gaslighter girlboss ?? /lh but seriously, c!sam gaslights the hell out of c!bad (and probably other characters but i only specifically remember c!bad). what makes anyone think anything he says about prison activities can be trusted??

i don’t doubt that c!dream was doing his best to manipulate c!sam and c!quackity and his visitors, you know, Because He Was In A Horrific Situation And Was Trying To Escape Slash Survive (and also that’s just. how he rolls.) but GASLIGHT is a funny one.

literally what could he even gaslight c!sam about. “sam Ur crazy. quackity already came to torture me today. don’t u remember. pls don’t let him back in oh my god haaahahahaaa” LIKE ??

c!dream was probably using every tactic in the book to make life even slightly easier for him in prison (faking being worse injured to try and get c!quackity to stop torturing him, lying about escape plans to c!sam, calling c!quackity sir to get on his ‘good side’) but i think the important thing about c!dream’s ‘manipulation’ here is that ultimately he was doing anything he possibly could to survive. nobody blames an abuse victim for doing things underhand to survive. it’s no wonder c!dream was doing those things and i don’t think they should be held against him as like. acts of evil and villainy. when we have c!awesam “gaslight gatekeeper guilt trip” dude to deal with 😭

#don’t get me started on the death threats LOL #sorry this ask is from ages ago i only just finished writing it now GEKBDJD #> analysis !! #c!dream neg #(mentioned only) #c!sam critical #c!sam neg #(sorta . I love him but king what are you DOING.) #tw torture #tw gaslighting #tw manipulation #tw prison arc #tw discourse #tw lore discourse

[apollos-boyfriend]

hiring a sniper to be trained on c!sam and the MOMENT he says something negative to/about c!hannah again i’m instructing them to pull the trigger

#icarus speaks #the sniper is cpurpled. i’m paying him in robux. #c!sam neg

[piningpebbles]

just my quick two-cents on the ending but i thought some elements were really well done (c!jack’s feelings and bitterness, c!clingyduo getting to fight c!dream, c!sam’s reaction’s to dream’s death, c!punz’ reveal, etc.) but others (specifically the amnesia and kind of tone-deaf sudden sympathetic view of c!dream) were done really poorly. so while i really enjoyed some parts of it, and it’s always going to have that essence of the dream smp that i love so much, the ending (tommy’s last stream specifically) felt really cheap in terms of how it left the characters we’ve come to know so well.

here are some ideas i came up with for other ways i thought could’ve been cool for the ending to follow:

- tubbo and tommy kill dream. punz revives him but ends up turning on him and ultimately teaming with tommy and tubbo again but for real this time (though for his own reasons aside from just power). he doesn’t have to be a good guy, in fact this could’ve set him up to both get c!dream out of the picture and get punz into place as the major antagonist for the next chapter.

- tubbo and tommy kill dream. punz revives him, but this time tubbo and tommy run across the server telling everyone (if not everyone, just c!sam) that dream’s back and sam ends up working together with them to trap dream (and punz?) back in the prison. but just when sam’s ready to resign himself back to his own personal hell that is pandora’s vault, tubbo gets the idea to nuke the prison with the two still inside, where they all go to the nukes and find jack. jack and tommy argue, setting up jack as the current main antagonist for the next chapter as nothing is resolved between the two. and then sure enough, tommy, tubbo, sam, and jack all see the nukes blow up the prison.

- this one i actually thought was going to happen!! tubbo and tommy kill dream. punz revives him, and tommy plans to trap them both at the prison so tubbo can set off the nuke and kill them. the nuke is set to pandora’s vault. jack goes to the nukes, thinking tubbo’s on his side, and ends up targeting aiming the nukes towards tommy’s house/the hotel/bad and skeppy’s mansion. the explosion does reach the prison, but the impact only ends up killing dream and punz. tommy, tubbo, and jack then talk and help rebuilt whatever was caught the blast. if bad’s mansion is caught in the wreckage it’s a good building point for the egg to focus in for the next chapter.

#dream smp spoilers #tommyinnit #tubbo #jack manifold #dream smp #mcyt #just throwing some ideas around #i think sam should've seen the prison blow up <3 as a treat <3 #i'll just write the dsmp myself i think these were really fun to think about #rambling rocks #pebble post #// #mentioned: #character death #c!dream neg #c!dream crit #c!dream mention

[vim-is-posting]

dsmp characters i wished interacted more

Sam and Puffy

responsibility gang!! feels like the only Adults(TM) that aren't Phil.

try to do things right... (one constantly misses the mark and the other doesn't shoot much).

short sheep woman. tall creeper man.

if you headcanon mama Puffy, drama! or, no drama—if you don't wanna make her an involved parent >:)

Sam and Ponk

i need this. i need more raw emotion colliding with a stone-faced wall. i need Ponk to call Sam a bitch a bad person. and i need Sam to be conflicted—and hide that confliction.

Dream and Punz

MY BOYS! look at them! i need the boyfriends to commit crime together. and be soft and tender with eachother, because they are the only person the other can truly let their guard down with.

Tubbo and Dream

i mean... Tubbo, compared to Tommy, has seemingly matured more and seems more willing to try and understand Dream IF he ended up in some circumstance where avoiding or fighting Dream isn't an option.

Dream seems like he'd potentially put forth efforts to somewhat explain himself to Tubbo if given the opportunity (and if it didn't mess with His Plans).

George and Sapnap

there isn't enough. they care about things in such different ways. they don't talk. they can acknowledge situations in silence—of course they would, they know eachother well enough—and move on without words.

Sapnap is action oriented, he'll step in if he feels it's right... George withdraws further, avoiding confrontation if it isn't just a declaration of feeling or opinion.

#🖤 #☔️ #dream smp #dreblr #dsmp #c!sapnap #c!awesamdude #c!dream #c!punz #c!puffy #c!george #c!ponk #c!tubbo #c!sam neg

[dreamslesbian]

do you think the ccs that were afraid to play villains bc of the fandom reception ever realized that they would've been fine as long as they didn't touch c!crimeboys

#im feeling controversial today #discourse #fandom neg #but like am i wrong lmao #like c!sam and c!q are Right there

[bigboobyhalo]

okay not to be hashtag neg but I think that lore sucked. it was way too confusing and convoluted and literally has the potential to ruin everything I liked about the egg arc ToT

#neg #critical #some other tag IDK ask me to add another tag for you and I will #I was rlly hoping the c!sam bodies lore was just gonna be quietly forgotten … sigh

[dr3amofagame]

C!sam drives me insane (/pos. I love him. He is so deeply Fucked Up) because he is kinda like high INT low WIS high CHA but with fucking negative persuasion and a frightening proficiency in intimidation because None of his threats are empty. He kidnaps Michael, kills Ranboo, let’s quackity in and keeps letting him in, he cuts off ponks arm. He also built a massive island from scratch, engineered a prison that is revolutionary redstone. I love him so much and he is so so fucked up

I LOVE HIM !!! he's so fucking messed up, holy shit. he threatens things and he follows through and he never, ever questions whether or not his actions were necessary or right. he's absolutely convinced of his own righteousness and absolutely impossible to argue with as a result. the only options when you face him are obeying, running away, or Facing The Consequences where the consequences has involved and could involve torture and/or death. like YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THIS MAN and it's not like it takes a lot either--he gaslights and lies to bad over and over and over again for no fault of bad's own, he captures, tortures, mutilates and kills his own partner. dream was his friend. ranboo was his friend! like Holy Shit.

#my asks !! #c!sam critical #c!sam neg

[genlossneeg]

Thinking about this one weird c!ponk neg post i clowned on a long time ago with my friends and now that the dsmp is over i think i was too harsh on it for their characterization of c!ponk. Truly they were ahead of their time on that one

#the only real gripe i had was their assumptions abt the cc which were. yikes im not gonna lie #but that being said yeah there is something to be said about c!ponk's capacity for cruelty towards ppl who have wronged her #and her treatment of sam is warranted up to a point tbh #but then we get to the finale where she is just. needlessly cruel #its so fascinating and some would call it derailment but i genuinely believe this was a perfect portrayal of negative character development #her resentment and anger consumed her until she was not only fully willing to commit violence against sam but actively enjoying it #which is something sam NEVER did #you always get the sense that he is disgusted with himself and his justifications always felt like a defense mechanism #against the crushing guilt his actions cause him to feel #ponk is laughing and saying hes going to savor this hes DELIGHTING in sam's fear and suffering and i want to study them like a weird bug #c!ponk crit #c!ponk neg

[famousmusicearthquake]

WALK EM LIKE A DOG

(dsmp rp)

#c!dream #dreblr #dsmp lore #c!sam neg

[hopalongfairywren]

People who have full right to murder Sam:

Tommy- puts Dream in prison to protect him and then allows Dream to murder two people and escape because of his weird complex

Connor- you can not throw someone in the nightmare prison designed to torture people for trying to scam a chic fil a

Bad- when your friend who was previously possessed by a magical perception altering mind controlling egg comes up to you telling you about some bonkers shit that cannot be real your response should not be "you're drunk :/" and no material assistance

Dream- despite all the shit Dream did, which honestly would've justified Sam killing him, it didn't really justify keeping his role as the warden while starving Dream and allowing him to be tortured. deducted points because the hell prison was Dream's idea

Beeduo- :(

Ponk- just so fucking shitty. Like where do I start. The arm thing honestly wouldve been better if he had ever expressed any kind of remorse but nah

HANNNHA

I honestly cant remember if I typed this before if i did sorry Im just plagued by Awesamdude every few weeks

I agree with most of these but I love c!Hannah most so it should be her. (He literally threatened to kill her)

#thanks for the ask! #the wren calls #c!sam #c!hannah #c!sam neg #dsmp lore

[ladyddanger]

C!Sam is such a loser. The more I learn about him the more I hate him Lmao

#c!sam #c!sam neg