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arrow-v-flash-polls · 9 days

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Which lady of Flash season three was your favourite?

#iris west #caitlin snow #jesse wells #jesse chambers wells #killer frost #cecile horton #cynthia reynolds #candice patton #jessica camacho #violett beane #danielle panabaker #danielle nicolet #the flash #cw the flash #dctv #not sure if i'll do this round carry on

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frosty-the-killer-doll · 9 days

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yknow what, i've complained about cecile's superhero name before but it's kinda growing on me. like cecile is implied to be religious and christian-wise virtue angels are spirits of motion that govern the elements, they're miracle makers and they strengthen faith in god. you could say they're guiding lights, inspiring hope? :>

#cecile horton #arrowverse #the flash #the flash cw #cw the flash

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lands-of-fantasy · 11 months

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lecoindecachou · 10 months

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#the flash #the flash cw #barry allen #iris west allen #cisco ramon #caitlin snow #joe west #wally west #cecile horton #eobard thawne #david singh

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helplessdreamersworld · 6 months

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My version of perfect Team Flash ⚡

#The flash #barry allen #cisco ramon #caitlin snow #harry wells #killer frost #jesse quick #wally west #kid flash #hartley rathaway #iris west allen #joe west #cecile horton #team flash #instagram post

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star-labs-intern · 23 days

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Wait did no one else see this lmaoo I clicked so fast and then saw the disclaimer 😂😭

#the flash #cecile horton #april fools #danielle nicolet

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westidia · 1 year

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We got a date for real this time!!!! FEBRUARY 8TH everybody. The beginning of the end 🥲

#the flash #the flash season 9 #candice patton #grant gustin #barry allen #iris west allen #Westallen #grandice #caitlin snow #Chester #allegra garcia #joe west #cecile horton #danielle nicolet #danielle panabaker #kayla compton #Brandon McKnight #jesse l martin

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phoenix · 1 year

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A pair of images for episode 11, A New World Part 2

#CW Flash #The Flash #Flash season 9 #Flash 9x11 #Khione #Chillblaine #Mark Blaine #Cecile Horton #Danielle Panabaker #Jon Cor #Danielle Nicolet

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turboacek-blog · 1 year

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The Flash: The thing with Caitlin's “Death”…

In season 9 episode 2 reveals that Caitlin Snow is dead

Khionne/Snow has the physical body of her but no memories knowledge etc of Caitlin or even Frost as she didn’t know anybody and had no ice powers or medical knowledge

Meaning Caitlin is effectively dead

The thing is partly due to the nature of the episode of trying to bring her back they didn't grieve this character of 9+ years

And part of it, besides the writing and that the actress wasn't leaving or anything like that

Is that I think the technicality is that this is just Caitlin 2.0/3.0

As they say, this is basically what her father wanted in his initial experiment to make a Caitlin 2.0 but he ended up with basically two daughters (Caitlin and Frost) instead

So in a way, Caitlin is Khionne just without the memories, and such as her body is still there

Which brings up the question of if someone loses their memories are they still them? As in if you lose your memories but you don’t know your parent's siblings' friends' skills likes dislikes etc and you don’t get them back are you still you?

As before they made the split Caitlin and Frost were kind of like new Caitlin

And when Frost was in control for a while it was treated as Caitlin before they got more understanding of the two different personalities

But again I think the problem is how the characters reacted

Caitlin can be killed unceremoniously that's not the main problem (still a problem)

But the characters reacting the way they did was weird, like when it was time to vote a majority picked Frost over Caitlin when this should have been a Caitlin death episode

And when they decided to keep Khionne it’s not like they finally grieved Caitlin they went partying

Again they wrote it in a way that it’s less Caitlin is dying and more this Caitlin 2.0 but it just never felt right to me (and from what I see online others as well)

And when you add Hartley’s and Red Deaths' plot it never felt real

Granted it’s episode 2 they can make this feel right as the story goes on

Like people are already theorizing they’ll bring Caitlin back somehow which is why they didn’t treat it as a permanent goodbye as she might come back

And I think narratively there is something here

Over the whole show, Caitlin has been this tragic character, dead fiancé twice, evil boyfriend, jerk boyfriends, dad died, twin sister died, never really found love, etc she was hurting the whole show then finally found love in her “new” sister but when her sister dies she spirals

So when this character essentially decides to kill herself to bring back someone she loves or in this case to give a new one a chance to be happy it’s a sad happy ending as the tragic character can finally rest and this new character can have joy that she couldn’t

The thing is the characters didn’t see Caitlin as a tragic character

Chester and Allegra are newer and didn’t experience most of it and were closer to Frost in all honesty

Similar with Cecile

Iris despite stuff like Caitlin being her maid of honor weren’t like best friends

But Barry (and Joe) knew her story and they didn’t really see her as a tragic character if anything outside of the recent death of Frost they kinda saw her story as normal stuff for the most part still sad but it’s not like they saw Caitlin as this character that was struggling or stuff like that the whole show

This is where I think the disconnect is, it seems the audience cared and reacted more appropriately than the characters as we’ve known her for 9 seasons, whereas Chester Allegra Cecile Mark didn’t and Iris and she wasn’t the closest to, and so on

They treated her as if she was on the same level as Allegra for example but to us, she’s basically on the same level as Barry and Iris

I understand that Caitlin isn’t dead the same way Frost died as Caitlin technically transformed into Khionne but when they constantly use the word dead and the machine hurt Khionne it’s hard to see it differently

They can “fix” it with a funeral or memorial or something but yeah just felt odd to think Caitlin’s dead and when they were trying to bring her back most wanted her sister more and when neither happens they didn’t take time to grieve her properly and even went partying afterward

I don't know I'm just confused and my thoughts are incoherent right now

#the flash #flash #barry allen #iris west #iris west allen #caitlin snow #killer frost #flash season 9 #joe west #cecile horton #allegra garcia #chester p. runk #chillblaine #khione #khionne #snow #Khionne snow #Khione snow

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dcuninterrupted · 2 years

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Characters to expect coming up in Green Arrow #1, out August 31st!

Green Arrow (Connor Hawke)

Red Arrow (Emiko Queen)

Speedy (Mia Dearden)

Cecile Horton

Cheshire (Jade Nguyen)

Arsenal (Roy Harper)

#Lineups #DC Uninterrupted #Green Arrow #Connor Hawke #Red Arrow #Emiko Queen #Speedy #Mia Dearden #Cecile Horton #Cheshire #Jade Nguyen #Arsenal #Roy Harper

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1ncorrect-flash-quotes · 2 years

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Cisco: Is stabbing someone immoral?

Nash Wells: Not if they consent to it

Frost: Depends on who you’re stabbing

Cecile: YES??!!?

#1ncorrect-flash-quotes #incorrect the flash quotes #incorrect quotes #the flash #cisco ramon #nash wells #killer frost #cecile horton

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killervibe · 11 months

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I trust your opinion on The Flash most of all, so how did you feel about Cecile’s character trajectory? I was not a fan of what they did with her character, but I also thought the level of hate she ended up getting seemed unjustified? Everything from the way she was dealing with her grief over Joe’s death during Armageddon to her getting a super suit, she was torn apart for. I never understood the hyper-focus on her in later seasons, but I also think the hate the she gets is insane.

Thank you for asking me this. I'm actually excited to write another Flash essay-response. I missed this.

In short, yes, I found Cecile's meta arc frustrating and confusing but I do not hate her character nor do I have an issue with a middle-aged hero existing.

The problem and fandom obsession with Cecile is multifaceted. She was a doomed character of inherently flawed writing, but her fall from grace through fandom's eyes is nothing short of misogynoir.

The Seal ??? you're going to compare a black woman to an animal for your satisfaction? In a world where black women are constantly described as animalistic and primitive? There is only one character who gets just as much ceaseless vitriolic hate as Cecile and that is Iris.

First and foremost, I would like to raise that where I have seen the absolute worst treatment towards Cecile and Dani N is Twitter--I left Flash Twitter 5 years ago (though I was never truly fully on it) because of the sheer racial animosity I felt on there as a biracial person. I've read so much disgusting racialized hate towards Dani N (including from fans of Candice and Iris, no less and it saddens me to see the community disillusioned into believing that to be protective of a black lead means that any other black character is an enemy destined to be pitted against her) especially in terms of questioning or diminishing her blackness. It was disgusting and it still is.

The problem with empaths/telepaths/mind control powers is that they become limitless very quickly when no boundaries are set in place. Her powers were confusing and used for exceedingly expository purposes that felt like a cop-out the longer it went on. I cannot tell you how many times I have lost my understanding of the "science" plots in the last 3 and a half seasons and that is a good chunk of Cecile's meta problems.

Season 4 worked because Cecile's powers were bounded to her pregnancy. She served as an adequate neutralizer against The Thinker which was needed at the time. Her powers should've had an expiry date and ended when Jenna was born. Or, more accurately, her powers should've been Jenna's. Cecile's powers manifested upon Jenna's conception, it would've served that the source of her abilities came from the baby, not herself. Without going into too much detail, this could've nicely allowed Nora (and Bart) to have family closer in age to be a part of their eventual Flash Fam team roster. Of course, it didn't pan out that way. They needed to give Cecile's powers concrete limits without evolving or "levelling up" in a way that overshadows the titular character. This is a given! They gave her everything and it was ridiculous, empath/telepathy/mind possession/emotive projection - like yeah. It's too much. It's annoying and it's too much!

In Stargirl, the Brainwaves were eliminated early on in the series because they were OP. Those writers were cognizant of that fact and woven in a compelling story that served to ensure that the empath/mind control characters were set in their place without overthrowing the entire capacity of the main heroes of the show.

Cecile made a great lawyer, but she failed spectacularly at all of her crucial lawyering post s3.

And it's a writing problem. Lazy effort went into how to include any in-universe plausible legal processes in this show. S4 Barry trial and S7 KF trial are glaringly obvious examples like this. But we should have known that the majority of the responsibility of these flaws lays in the hands of the writers inability to do justice to ANY of their female characters, which goes exponentially for the black women. So of course I am not surprised that they blundered with Cecile as she was promoted from supporting to main cast.

Nora Allen? Murdered (x150). Tess Morgan, the founder of STAR LABS name? Murdered & never revived unlike the 500 Wells. Linda? Disappeared. Francine? Dead. Tina McGee? Disappeared. Jesse? Erased from existence. Caitlin/Killer Frost/Crystal Frost/Khione? Murdered three times, reduced to repetitive abusive love interest storylines and retconned storylines into oblivion. Cynthia? Murdered. Kamilla? Treated like dirt & disappeared. Marlize? Same. Sue? Disappeared. Joanie? Disappeared. Jenna? Disappeared. Carla and Cisco's mom? Both also awful. Meena? Disappeared. Alexa? Who? Esperanza? Murdered. Allegra was okay ish, and I know there are more (Ralph's mom, Becky Sharpe, but really, I think I've made my point...) but that literally leaves us with Cecile, Iris, and Nora I/II as our black female leads who had to face the brunt of the worst writing (and most hatred when it was their "time" to shine).

This show cannot execute motherhood properly. It refuses to. See: Iris s5 and literally every mother to ever mother on this show except for Nora Allen...

But also, both the creators and the fandom seem to hold this ideology that motherhood is the end all and be all of life and value? Show runners have said again and again that The Flash would have to end when Iris is pregnant because that's when it's "over" ??? I did not understand that when it was first said and I still do not understand that. This concept of femininity directly tied to the merit associated to motherhood is a good chunk of the reasoning behind people claim to hate Cecile--Because she is a superhero who has sacrificed as a single mother and now struggles with balancing her desires vs her obligations? Cecile, who has been written as a black woman who canonically struggled to society's standards of excellence causing her stress and anguish to the point of mental break? I appreciated the s7 psycho-pirate and mental health struggles she had - so I wasn't horrified to see that she struggled with grief in s8's plot. The type of mental health issues that these storylines explored is a real lived experience that many women have, and I find it fascinating that there is this double standard here. This is a superhero show. Like...we're hating her for, what, exactly? For being a superhero and wanting to help people?

I mourn Cecile's "downfall" because she was a great addition to the West family as a supportive cast. I mourn the fact that Iris and Cecile never really had a great relationship despite both being mains. I mourn the fact that she was given more weight than Iris in the last season instead of supporting and encouraging her. Because that's why her role was elevated in the last season, to replace Joe in his absence as Iris' number #1 cheerleader. But it never properly translated that way and that is a shame. That said, her role in the show shouldn't have been strictly reduced to "Mother" and "Grandmother" --That isn't fair. I adored the way she spoke to Nora I in s5 but she did deserve to go on adventures the same way Joe has since s1. Why shouldn't she? I think this is what Eric Wallace was trying to achieve and I applaud him for the idea but have to criticize the execution. The show has failed her in her area of expertise of being a successful lawyer, mocked her by putting her through a pregnancy for a child they couldn't commit to, and then kicked her character into the lion's den for death by turning her into an OP'd meta at the mercy of a prejudiced fanbase already notoriously well-known for mistreating black talent. This could've easily been avoided with more clever solutions that positions Barry--the creator of Gideon--as the focus and true mastermind behind Team Flash plans.

#the flash #cecile horton #s9 #9x13 #tkv rambles #ask #anon

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fictionalreads · 1 year

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The Flash Season 9 Episode 10 A New World Part 1

Barry

Yep definitely a time jump.

What the hell happened?

LMAO “what did I do this time?”

Detective Singh!! Wow two episodes in a row. BUT REALLY DAVID THAT HAIR?!

Joe looks stressed in the past

BARRY NO YOU CAN’T JUST WALK UP TO THEM