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pierrotwrites-hc · 3 months
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Hi Periott
I'm loving the new chapters of TGB but was wondering if you could give me some insight into Toby and his development because I found him quite infuriating in the last chapter
“Does that fat arse of yours need a rest, Toby?” “Watch your tongue, slave,” the Steward, bouncing over on his gray gelding, “or when we return to Highcourt, I shall personally ensure that you lose it.”
Is there a reason Toby never stands up for Doran? Like that's his brother. I'm curious, does Toby even see Doran as an actual person? What exactly is his mentality around slavery? And how does he not experience cognitive dissonance when he witnesses the injustices that happen to Connoll and his brother?
“Do you think we’ll be able to see each other once we’re at Highcourt?” asked Toby suddenly. “To play Legion, and talk about mathematics, and—well, just to talk, the way we are now?”
Is he seriously that naive and disconnected from the reality of things? Does he really believe that Luca is gonna have any form of freedom where their going? He knows Luca is a sex slave.
“Do you want to be a slave, Toby? Do you want to sleep on the ground and eat table scraps and get beaten like a dog whenever your master’s in a mood?” “No.” “No, of course not. You just like hanging around with slaves because we can’t tell you to fuck off. Fields of hell, do you care what’s going to happen to Luca once we get to Highcourt? Or to me and Con once we get back to Chesten? Your mam could sell us to the galleys, or the mines, or split us up and send us to opposite corners of the fucking earth. We could never see each other again. But you don’t give a damn about that, do you? Great and little gods, you must be the most selfish boy alive.” Toby’s face was mottled red and white. He was holding back tears. “That’s not very nice of you to say,” he said, in a voice that trembled with the effort not to cry.
YES! I am so glad Doran said this. Like from this interaction it's clear Toby is aware that being a slave is bad/not nice and yet he seems to have no lasting thoughts on the experiences of and consequences for those that are enslaved. And when Doran confronts him and brings up valid points, Toby makes it about himself by crying and acting like his feelings are hurt instead of acknowledging what Doran has pointed out or reflecting on things.
“Doran hates me,” Toby sobbed. “He’ll never forgive me for whipping him, never.”
I feel like the only reason Toby was upset about Doran's whipping is because he had to do it and it was an unpleasant experience for him. It feels like it had nothing to do with Doran's experience/suffering at all. And now all he's worried is forgiveness when he knows Doran's been whipped in the past and will continue to be whipped in the future because he's a slave.
He isn't naive and he's aware of how privileged he is because he's witnessed how those below him live and are treated. But he never seems to use his privilege or social standing to protect/help others, not even Doran. And ye only got rid of the letters summoning Luca back to Highcourt because he didn't want to lose his legion partner, not because he actually cares about Luca as a person.
I'm sorry lol. I love Toby but his privilege and selfishness really irks be sometimes, and I'd love to here your thoughts about him and any information you can give us about his reasonings and motivations (if it isn't too spoilery)
thank you so much for sending this ask. it was actually sent in response to ch 45 but I want to answer it now because ch 46 is an incredibly important milestone in Toby's development as a Good Human.
Is there a reason Toby never stands up for Doran?
yes, though it's a pretty selfish one. Toby grew up watching Doran be (relatively) well-treated and protected by their father. Doran was beaten and talked down to, sure, but that treatment was so normalized for slaves that Toby didn't really spare it much thought. note that when he intervenes on Luca's behalf with Hodge, it's because Hodge's behavior goes beyond even the treatment of slaves that Toby accepts as "normal."
Toby doesn't stand up for Doran because it hasn't occurred to him that Doran needs standing up for -- or that anyone would listen to Toby if he tried.
Does Toby even see Doran as an actual person? What exactly is his mentality around slavery?
Toby does see Doran (and Connell, and Luca) as real people in the way he sees everyone as real people...which means that he's mostly interested in how they relate to him rather than how other people/society in general relate to them. he's 19, but due to his incredibly sheltered and dysfunctional upbringing, his mentality is still very much that of a child. i want to emphasize that this has nothing to do with being autistic. he was just raised by pathologically selfish people and who gave him a pathologically selfish outlook on the world, and nothing in his privileged upbringing has forced him to challenge his assumptions until now.
How does he not experience cognitive dissonance when he witnesses the injustices that happen to Connoll and his brother?
the same reason we don't experience cognitive dissonance around so many of the injustices in our world. think of Ed Sheeren installing rails outside his mansion to keep the unhoused away despite having slept rough himself before making it big. Toby seems like a really extreme case because the things he accepts as normal -- e.g., slavery and abuse -- are so abnormal to us, and seem so self-evidently evil, but he's never had a reason to interrogate the conditions of his very comfortable life before. forced discomfort is going to be his greatest teacher.
Is he seriously that naive and disconnected from the reality of things?
unfortunately, yes.
Does he really believe that Luca is gonna have any form of freedom where their going? He knows Luca is a sex slave.
Toby knows Luca's a sex slave, but his only context for that is his father's relationship with Doran's mother Cilla -- who was, as Connell pointed out, treated more like his wife than his actual wife. too, slaves from Chesten have quite different lives than slaves from Lyonesse. i cover that in more detail here, but suffice it to say that Toby has very real understanding of what sex slavery really involves. he assumes that Luca will be treated at Highcourt more or less the way Cilla was, with a relatively high degree of personal freedom.
Toby is aware that being a slave is bad/not nice and yet he seems to have no lasting thoughts on the experiences of and consequences for those that are enslaved. And when Doran confronts him and brings up valid points, Toby makes it about himself by crying and acting like his feelings are hurt instead of acknowledging what Doran has pointed out or reflecting on things.
you really hit the nail on the head here. as Toby has said a few times in a few different ways, he's very good at not thinking about things that upset him...and when forced to, his instinctive response is that of a child: he manipulates people into comforting him. it isn't a conscious manipulation, and it isn't malicious, but it is really, really selfish, and something he'll need to unlearn.
I feel like the only reason Toby was upset about Doran's whipping is because he had to do it and it was an unpleasant experience for him. It feels like it had nothing to do with Doran's experience/suffering at all. And now all he's worried is forgiveness when he knows Doran's been whipped in the past and will continue to be whipped in the future because he's a slave.
yep.
He isn't naive and he's aware of how privileged he is because he's witnessed how those below him live and are treated. But he never seems to use his privilege or social standing to protect/help others, not even Doran. And ye only got rid of the letters summoning Luca back to Highcourt because he didn't want to lose his legion partner, not because he actually cares about Luca as a person.
you really nail Toby's character here, and it's a great description of where his arc starts. he has immense privilege which he takes completely for granted, and immense intelligence which he uses only for his own benefit. he genuinely loves Doran and Connell and Luca, but he will need to do a lot of work on himself before he can love them as well as they deserve. [spoilers maybe?] in Chapter 48 (so, two chapters in the future, since Ch47 will be a Robert chapter) we see Toby begin that work in earnest, and it will continue throughout Part III and in all the books which follow.
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booksen · 7 months
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My chesten hurtsen... Ohh
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rollercoaster59 · 1 year
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chesten eve.... Side bed corn dogin...
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blizzmarts · 2 years
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Blissful shopping smart savings 💥💥💥
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bleepbloopclub · 4 years
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THE EDEN ORDER CHARACTERS | CHESTEN
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[id: four images, three are in a row and the fourth is underneath. The first is a green bookcase with a green ladder in front of it. The second is a drawing of Chesten, a young man sitting at a table reading a book. The third is the top of an building. The fourth image is a row of old books with “Chesten” in white text in the center. /end id]
Name | Chesten
Age | 20
Orientation | Cis gay man, he/him
Traits and Personality | honest, intelligent, studious, stressed, intellectual, cautious, skeptical, curious, distrustful, paranoid
Other Info |
He’s physically incapable of lying. Ironically he dresses nicely to lie to himself that he doesn’t have his life together
He’s aware that not everybody is as brutally honest as him, so he has a hard time trusting people. The person he really trusts is Bonum
He hates liars and secrets
He wants to know the truth, whether that’s through science, history, philosophy, or pretty much any subject
He causes a lot of unnecessary stress and confusion for himself
Taglist (asked to be added or removed) | @commasinsidequotes​, @qrimsins​, @darthallow​, @janeatethelastcoffeecandy
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notreallifeliving · 3 years
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chesney: 4th november
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leonard's running the show at the church today, so cedric chesney has some free time on his hands. looks like romance novels are another of his secret guilty pleasures!
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cedric spots chesten clesek while taking a walk and invites her in, then tries to impress her by talking about his travels. surprisingly, she seems into it!
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mrbonbon-ch · 3 years
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Geröstete Tessiner Maroni 🌰/ Kastanien.. Marmelade ein wahrer Traum… . #krups #mykrups #krupskochtmarmelade #konfitüre #selbstgemacht #kreativeküche #daslebenistschön #mediteran #kastanien #marroni #marroni🌰 #chestene #bleibegesund . 📸 #martinzanggernegro ... 📌 Kann unbezahlte werbung durch Nennung von Marken, Namen oder Personen enthalten.. (hier: Oberarth, Schwyz, Switzerland) https://www.instagram.com/p/CTWm48qrUXF/?utm_medium=tumblr
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catboyexorcist · 4 years
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Draw the squad with some of my clone OCs. Ripley, Kacy, Chesten, and Blane
Base is by RiddleMD
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semika · 5 years
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Tvoy istinnyy drug, kto ukazhet v puti
Prepyatstviya vse i pomozhet proyti.
L'stetsov prichislyat' opasaysya k druz'yam.
Tot istinnyy drug tvoy, kto chesten i pryam.
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superlinguo · 4 years
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Christmas words: chestnuts
I don’t think I ate chestnuts for the first time until I was well into my mid-twenties. I knew that they were a cosy thing people in the northern hemisphere ate in the wintery Christmas period - thanks to holiday films and the song that talks about chestnuts roasting on winter fires.
Digression: it turns out that song is just called “The Christmas Song”, which is why I can never remember what it is called. It was written in 1945, so perhaps people couldn’t afford titles for their songs in the post-war economy. Often it’s subtitled “Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire“. The chestnuts are important.
Chestnut is an emoji 🌰 it’s the only nut other than peanut. It was included in the original set of emoji, for reasons that are beyond my comprehension.
Originally in English the word was chesten (from Old French), but by the mid-1500s people had added the redundant ‘nut’ and we got a bit hazy on the boundary between the two parts of the word.
Although late to the chestnut party, I’m a fan. A good chestnut is delightful, and in recent years I’ve enjoyed seeing chestnut sellers pop up in Melbourne in our winter. It doesn’t have to be Christmas to enjoy chestnuts roasting.
At Superlinguo, I celebrate the silly season with Christmasy words. If you’ve got a Christmas word you’re curious about, let us know! References in these posts thanks to the always-reliable Oxford English Dictionary, Etymonline and Wordnik.
See also:
The Christmas Words Master List
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lesyeuxderemy · 5 years
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Аз си продавам гъза за 15лв/час, че си харесах едни обуща (пиша го щото знам, че ще е безплатна реклама 🙄🙄)
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budi chesten pone, ne si za edni obuvki, iskash si iphone 11 ama te e sram da priznaesh
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pierrotwrites-hc · 2 months
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Hi periott
Why didn't Doran's father free him before he died?
good question! Connell explains it pretty well here.
Edmund, Rafe, and Toby -- the Duke's three legitimate heirs -- are matrilineal descendants of Roland the Conqueror, a much-hated figure in Chesten. Chesten was an independent country before being annexed by Solas, and to say its people are not big fans of the Solasan royal family would be an understatement.
Doran is not just the Duke's eldest son, but his only son without the "taint" of Roland's blood. and he looks *exactly* like his father.
the Duke was concerned that, if Doran were freed and his paternity recognized, the people would decide they'd prefer a slaveborn Chestener as their leader rather than any of the legitimately-born sons of the extremely unpopular Princess Amelia. if the people rose up against Amelia and her sons, it would be tantamount to declaring secession from Solas. war would be inevitable, with Doran and his brothers on opposite sides. there would be no outcome that wouldn't end in the death of at least one (and possibly all) of the Duke's sons.
the Duke believed that the only way to forestall that possibility was to ensure Doran remain enslaved.
of course, absolutely none of this has occurred to Doran. like Robert, he just wants the freedom to live a quiet life with the person he loves. and he's willing to just about anything -- up to and including murder -- in order to get it.
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georgianapc · 2 years
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Loss  and recent revivial of Cornish Language
This gradual geographical spread of English resulted partly from in-migration from the east, but also from language shift, as communities switched languages and failed to pass Cornish on to their children. In those times, it did not help that there was no Cornish translation of the Bible.
Truro, the Cornish capital, had mostly succumbed to English by about 1650, but in the far southwest of the county Cornish was not totally lost as a viable native community language until the late 18th century, though there would not have been many monolingual Cornish speakers for several generations before that. The last Cornish speaker who was reported to have had no English was a woman called Chesten Marchant, who died in 1676.
Modern studies of language death show that it is a gradual process, involving different stages. Fluent speakers like Dolly Pentreath live alongside and eventually give way to less than fluent speakers and, as time passes, to semi-speakers, then poor speakers who can nevertheless understand quite well, and finally community members who know only a few words, phrases and greetings.
UNESCO have changed their classification of Cornish from “extinct” to “severely endangered”.
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bleepbloopclub · 4 years
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[id: a graphic with the words “The Eden Order” in beveled gold text. The background behind the text is orange flames. /end id]
WIP (re)introduction: The Eden Order
title: The Eden Order
genre: comic book, adventure, LGBTQ+, sci-fi, urban fantasy, supernatural
setting: present day
status: outlining, first draft
length: ongoing series
synopsis:  In a rural town, a young man has spent his whole life sheltered from the chaos of society; one could say he’s the only person who truly knows peace. When he gets a visit from a group of other young travelers whose mission is to help the world, he realizes that everything he thought he knew was wrong. Together they realize that the world holds even more secrets and challenges than they anticipated.
characters:
-Pacem Jonah 19, he/him, A young man whose parents sheltered from the world for his safety (but actually his detriment). While he’s naive about the world, he’s a kind and peaceful soul who seems to be a valuable asset to a group of young travelers he joins one fateful day.
-Bonum 20, he/him, The informal leader of a traveling group of do-gooders. A genuinely good person who wants to spread that good to the rest of the world but needs help doing it.
-Akamai 20, he/him, One of Bonum’s best friends who decided to travel with him. He’s the most intelligent of the group and essential if they’re going to survive any of their future endeavors. He often gets frustrated with the other members of the group.
-Mehribon 21, she/her, Joins the group shortly after Pacem does. She shares Pacem’s pacifist ideals and acts as a moral compass for the rest of the group. However when disagreements arise, she isn’t sure how to confront them for fear of losing the respect of her new friends.
-Chesten 20, he/him, Generally quiet but when he speaks it almost always has an impact. Although he’s brutally honest with everyone, he trusts no one but Bonum. He disdains liars and despises secrets. A confused skeptic in pursuit of the truth.
-Dewr 22, he/him, Friendly and fearless but can come across as rude and reckless. Has no filter and is often the cause of trouble. Has a big laugh and even bigger personality. The muscle boyfriend of the group.
-Setia 21, she/her, Joined the group only because Mehribon did. Fiercely loyal to those she cares about. Not mean, just cautious. Good company once she’s warmed up to you.
themes & tropes: found family, friendship, politics, morality, peace, magic, mythology, history
warnings: violence, politics, mental illness
comments: re-doing this post because it’s been a while but also just wanted it to be better. I’m hoping I’ll actually post stuff now that there’s more time on my hands, especially if people are interested in this. There’s a still a lot of minor things I have to finish before starting the first draft but hopefully those will be done soon. I’m planning to have this be an ongoing comic book series. This allows me introduce new and more diverse characters in each issue/chapter and tackle more themes than I would in a standalone story. The characters mentioned above are the main group and the ones introduced in the first 2 issues/chapters.
taglist (asked to be added or removed): @commasinsidequotes​, @qrimsins​, @darthallow​, @janeatethelastcoffeecandy​
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notreallifeliving · 3 years
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polgannon outtakes #3
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while jory was at work, eva tremethyk walked past doing...whatever this is.
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i also had to watch neighbour cedric chesney chat up chesten clesek, who apparently doesn’t mind weirdly lascivious religious fanatics.
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sir this is a graveyard. (these two behaved like this the entire time i was at the church with cedric!)
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