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eggdrawsthings · 5 months
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Children of the Watch's shenanigans bro found their secret stash of snacks :3
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scarletlegionnaire · 1 year
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Baby Mandos part 4
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I'm just loving the way the adults are interacting with the Littles. Several are obviously family, with how close they stand. But absolutely nothings beats seeing those adult buyce tilted down to look at those little buyce.
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no because bo-katan joining the children of the watch to me just speaks to her need for community. she has lost everything, and the first person who treats her as a true equal in what must be *years* and who sticks around is din.
community and family are at the center of mandalorian culture and society. bo needs it, however she can get it
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the-irreverend · 1 year
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Good thing she was wearing a helmet because she's probably making the "oh fucking shit I accidentally joined a cult" face.
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jedi-valjean · 1 year
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I used to think Bo-Katan was a terrible, power-hungry person who switched sides but never changed her ways. I don't think she's evil anymore. I think she's prideful. I think she's got a savior complex. I think saving Mandalore is more important to her than ruling it, but because people— like Din's group— blame her for losing Mandalore to Gideon, she's desperate to prove them wrong by wielding the Darksaber and restoring Mandalore to its former glory. When Din gets it instead, she throws herself a pity party and convinces herself that Mandalore can't be saved anyway, because if she can't do it, no one can. But they're welcome to try, and maybe in doing so they'll humiliate themselves the way she's been humiliated.
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Every reason why the Armorer is the spy who betrays Bo-Katan, Din Djarin, and even her own people in The Mandalorian
Gideon knows the Mandos are planning to retake their planet, which the Armorer suggested they do, even though they'd just been given a new home.
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The Armorer has always known a great deal about Mandalorian history and culture beyond the cult and also about more current events related to the Purge and Moff Gideon's role in all of it. Din also knew about some of what Gideon was responsible for, but the Armorer clearly has the ability to keep herself plugged into the truth of Mandalorian history, while her followers generally know very little.
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Yet she has rarely shared any of that information with those who follow her.  Instead, she has taught the only that those who are not her followers cannot be trusted, even if they claim to be Mandalorian.
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Not only can they not be trusted but they stand in opposition to every thing that makes the Armorer and her followers Mandalorian.
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In the past, the Armorer has been wholly dismissive of any person who claims to be Mandalorian but removes their helmet (hence the need for Din's redemption) & when it comes to her cult, she is the only one who can confirm absolution. This gives her a special power and authority.
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Despite Bo's willingness to abide by their culture while with CotW, the Armorer has not indicated she has changed her mind on those tenets (or that she no longer views the Kryzes as apostate). In fact, she's doubled down on the idea that all Mandos must walk the Way together.
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And yet, she forcibly alienates Bo from CotW by demanding she remove her helmet, othering her from "the one Way" while also doing a 180 in terms of how she talks about "other" Mandalorians, whom she previously did not consider worthy of the name.
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The Armorer believed that the return of the Mythosaur heralds the beginning of a new age, but that that reality would never come to pass.
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She believes Bo-Katan when she says she saw it & recognizes that significance. The Armorer seems to commit herself to Bo's service but she never actually promises that. For her to recognize Bo's place undermines her own tenets. They simply cannot coexist so Bo is a threat to her.
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The Armorer is the one who suggests they retake Mandalore. She insists that Bo must gather all of her former supporters together in order to do so. Bo does so . . . and after the Imperial attack, Gideon thanks her (Bo) for it.
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The name of the previous episode -- "The Spies" -- already clearly indicates where this is going. One is Elia Kane. The other is ... 
not Bo, who has a vested interest in Gideon's defeat. 
Not Din. He’s a little tied up at the moment.
Not Paz. He’s *more* than a little tied up at the moment.
Not Axe. He’s too dumb for that & he usurped Bo to fight Gideon.
No. It's the woman who instigated the reunification of the dispersed Mandos. She accompanied the scouting party, but she also ensured that she got off-world before the Imperial assault, dooming Bo, Din, Axe, and even Paz, the only others who have wielded any authority.
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She has taken Bo's personal ship and returned to the fleet. She has rendezvoused with the command ship under the guise of treating the survivors they found, but that also puts her in an easy place to usurp the commander that Bo left in charge and thus command Bo's entire fleet.
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It's unclear what deal she may have made with Gideon. He clearly wants the Darksaber, which Din has said means nothing to his people, and the planet, which the Armorer never really cared about, even to the point of hiding during the Purge.
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I suspect the deal was that Gideon would control Mandalore, but the Armorer would control the Mandalorians. She could return to their new home on Nevarro & grow her cult once again, ensuring (just as she already told Bo) that *all* Mandalorians walk the Way together.
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Means. 
Motive. 
Opportunity. 
The Armorer hasn't been nice this season. She hasn't changed her mind on what it means to be Mandalorian. 
No, she's been remarkably consistent in her views, and as a cult leader, her goal is to grow her own followers and thus her power.
Bo-Katan is the greatest threat to the Armorer's power & greatest opportunity to gain more if she can get Bo out of the way. Gideon is her best chance to do that & prove how illegitimate those who do not follow the Way truly are. After all, she knows a truth Bo once also operated by.
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Interestingly, if the Armorer believes that Moff Gideon will come through on their deal, she had a frontrow seat to Bo-Katan showing exactly why he can never be trusted.
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Whether it's this season or next, Din's choice is going to be between loyalty to the woman who has defined his life for the last 30 years (and his deepest convictions) ... or loyalty to the woman to whom he has committed himself now.
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movietimegirl · 1 year
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So let me get this straight, Bo Katan can take off her helmet because she walks both ways? But the second Din takes off his helmet to say goodbye to Grogu, he's thrown out and called apostate. Not to mention, nearly drowns to redeem himself so he and his founding can be welcomed back. What kind of sense does that make? Din is going to have to question that because sir, I'm not letting that fly. My guy deserves better.
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studyinglavender · 1 year
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sorry! but i am never going to be okay with the covert unless it is reformed significantly. maybe it doesn’t fit the ‘technical definition’ of a cult but it is nonetheless a harmful creed. the person being baptized in 3x01 was a child no older than 16. if you are being asked to follow the way or leave, sure- you’re given agency. but if it’s the only community you know? you’re staying. for din, especially pre-grogu, it wasn’t a choice. if he took off his helmet and became an apostate, he would lose the only family he has ever known. do you not see how fucked up that is?
it’s unfair to compare it to a religion which requires full covering at all times, because even those religions allow you to be unclothed in private, among your family members, and in emergency scenarios such as a life-threatening head injury. there is no inaccessible repentance process if you do not abide by those rules. whereas the creed requires the helmet to remain on at all times (in s1, din said it could not be removed in front of a living creature, but that exception wasn’t specified in the armorer’s questioning in bobf or in the baptism from 3x01). bathing in the living waters isn’t like going to confessional or praying. it is something that was considered impossible by the members of the covert. redemption for apostates was not a reality until din proved them wrong.
the covert also reminds me too much of mormonism to ever feel comfortable defending it. i felt sick watching the first episodes of s3 when din kept talking about how he was an apostate who needed to be redeemed. a fucking apostate. for taking off his helmet to save the life of his child. for letting his child see his face. for that, they were prepared to exile him from the covert, knowing full well it is the only community he has ever known. you know what’s so scary about leaving the mormon church? if you’ve grown up in it, most of the time your social network is comprised only of other church members. you’re encouraged to avoid making friends with people who may lead you astray—because they drink coffee or alcohol, smoke, swear (i’m not kidding). you remain in this small bubble, and after you are baptized at age 8 (which is the age they decide you have agency and are capable of sinning), you second-guess every choice you make. i cried because i could never remember to say my prayers or read my scriptures and i knew i needed to repent for my sins. and when i started questioning my beliefs, i was so terrified of facing the truth because i thought my mom would no longer want me in her life. i distanced myself from many friends to avoid their judgement. i knew if i left, there was no going back. i would be inserting a wedge between me and the other people of my faith with whom i had grown.
for much of his life, din has known only the covert. he was brought up as a foundling and he knew only of the creed. he was taught that the mandalorian armor belonged only to those who followed the creed and rejected the idea that there could be a mandalorian who may not hold the same beliefs. we know he was a very lonely person before grogu. the covert was the only family he ever had. how is it a choice, then? “you may leave at any time you wish,” but if he takes off his helmet, he is an apostate and he must find a new home, a new family, a new belief system. he would have no one. what kind of a choice is that? in what world would he ever want to take off his helmet?
so yeah, the covert is not just a religious sect hiding from persecution. they are, at best, a high-demand religion, where allowing your child to see your face is an unfathomable act that necessitates redemption. if din djarin remains part of the covert as it stands, that’s extremely disappointing.
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I just understood that I prefer Children of the Watch over other mandalorians,because they sort of have sense of community. The other group that is present to compare is Nite Owls and show doesn't show them in details,but we could see it throught the characters.
Nite Owls are mocking Children of the Watch for following The Way,old traditions,yet they can't follow Bo,because"by our traditions Mand'alore must possess the darksaber". Ironic,isn't it?
While Children of the Watch's position is illustrated by Din pledging loyalty to Bo-Katan.
"To be honest,it(darksaber) means nothing to me or my people,nor does station or bloodline. What means more to me is honor and loyalty and character..."
This quote extremly good describing Din and Children of the Watch.
Children of the Watch are more of found family,they are not ideal,they are fighting,but they are standing for each till the end. They revealed their whole covert just to save one Din and Grogu. Strategically,it's stupid to sacrfice everything for one member,but they are community,family,they loyal to each other untill the end.
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itmakesssenseincontext · 11 months
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Bo-Katan, trying to recruit people to retake Mandalore: The only people we hate more than the Jedi, are The Children of the Watch
Koska and Axe: Splitters!
Koska: And The New Mandalorians!
All: Splitters!
Axe: And The Mandalorian Resistance!
Bo-Katan: We're The Mandalorian Resistance!
Axe: Oh I thought we were Death Watch?
Koska: Whatever happened to Death Watch?
Bo-Katan, pointing at Maul: He's over there.
All: Splitter!
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chungled · 1 year
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something about calling the covert a cult doesn't sit right with me. like, these people are just doing their rituals and safekeeping their culture and relics. they are political refugees who try to preserve and maintain their culture of remaining covered at all times, among other aspects of the creed.
like... it icks me that it's literally just a sect of religion but just because a character called said sect a cult, everyone in the fandom started calling it a cult.
can we have some other thoughts in here? like, drawing from personal experience, i was born catholic, i was raised catholic, i no longer go to church nor actively practice it but i always keep a rosary with me and i still find parts of my cultural catholic upbringing to be very beautiful (the churches, the hymns, the weeklong lenten celebration, etc). does that make me part of a cult?
like, that's just a little bit of similarity since catholicism doesnt require me to be covered at all times.
let's take it to that aspect. what about people who belong in religions that require them to be fully covered at all times? if the people do it willingly and follow their religious rites, are they also members of a cult simply because they adhere to that part of their doctrine?
maybe it's my catholic upbringing, but calling the children of the watch a full-on cult just because bo-katan says so does not sit right with me.
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joemerl · 6 months
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I've finished the first three episodes of The Mandalorian season three.
I gotta say, with all the jokes people were making about Din accidentally winning the Darksaber despite having no interest in ruling, it's funny that Bo-Katan accidentally gets herself accepted into the Children of the Watch. It's a clever little parallel, having them each stumble into what the other one wants.
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scarletlegionnaire · 1 year
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Baby Rabdos part 2
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kevystel · 1 year
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'you may leave any time you wish' THEY ARE NOT A CULT
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jessescoldbrew · 1 year
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I’ve already gone on record that I don’t love the cult vibes that radiate off this band of Mandalorians, but I gotta say, they really are some of the most hardcore “ride or die” mfs I’ve ever seen
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I don’t think Din’s Mando covert has sex, guys. I have some theories based on the last episode (Mild Spoilers Below)
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We don’t see any married couples, or if we do, it isn’t obvious. Din tells Grogu to go over with the other Foundlings. Not children, foundlings. Does that mean that there aren’t any children born into their covert? If this is the case, is it because they aren’t allowed, or that they just don’t marry? Perhaps they do marry, but there aren’t a lot of women in their group? It will definitely be interesting to see how things play out with the addition of Bo Katan.
They also don’t eat in front of one another, so clearly they probably don’t have random hookups. I think they might be semi-based on the Shakers, in fact. From Wikipedia:
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Note the use of the word foundling.
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