#christian antisemitism
minerfromtarn · 9 months ago
This is your periodic reminder that the story of Jesus flipping over tables in the Temple is inherently antisemitic and holding it up as a great example of “fighting capitalism” or some such in the modern day is also antisemitic because those people in the Temple were doing what they were instructed to do in the Torah (in Deuteronomy) to help make the Temple more accessible to those who lived far away. The story frames the fulfillment of this commandment from Gd as Jews being greedy, opportunistic, schemers and I’m so tired of people talking about it like it’s a good thing.
Goyim please reblog, and if you interact with this post please just be respectful.
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didyoumeanxianity · 7 months ago
I talk a fair bit about how Christian hegemonic societies are antisemitic societies, and how there is no western Christian hegemonic nation that does not have problems with antisemitism. Why? How did the western world come to be this way?
Today in Christian history, history of Christian theology, and resulting prejudices in Christian hegemonic societies:
Let’s talk about antisemitism borne out of the Christian canon and Christian theology! Because antisemitism is baked into Christian hegemonic societies and the antisemitism baked into the Christian canon and much of Christian theology is the root cause of that. So let’s uncover those roots, because for us to understand how to change where we’re going we need to know how we got here.
So let’s start from the beginning. Early Christianity, its theologies, and its texts that would later become the Christian canon(s) (much of Christianity uses a canon that is substantially the same, but there are differences between Catholicism, Protestantism, Orthodoxy, etc. related to a small subset of texts) came out of the Roman Empire. Now, the Roman Empire was anti-Judaic/anti-Judean. I, and many folks, hesitate to call Roman antipathy for the Jews antisemitism because it was less an enduring hatred based on religion, ethnicity, or race and more a disdain for a conquered nation that refused to peacefully stay conquered and assimilate. Whether we call it anti-Judaic/anti-Judean or antisemitic, in practice it boiled down to a Roman dislike of the Jews of Judea and resulted in various persecutions of the Jews in Judea.
As a result, there were a lot of messianic cults within Judaism in the first century CE. A lot of Jews were looking for the person who would restore Jewish autonomy and redeem Jews that had been exiled (the ten lost tribes, those who had been made slaves to Rome and were spread, in relatively small numbers, throughout the Empire, etc.). Christianity began its life as one of these Jewish messianic cults. But the belief that the individual we now know as Jesus was the messiah was difficult to sell to Jews, especially after his death.
Knowing that to be the case, an early Christian (and previously Hellenized Jew) evangelist, Saul of Tarsus a/k/a the Apostle Paul, reoriented Christianity’s message and theologies towards converting Romans. At that same time the texts now known as the four gospels were being written and compiled. And even this early we can see anti-Jewish sentiment seeping into and growing more prevalent in Christianity as time went on.
Mark and Matthew are widely agreed to be the earliest gospels, by scholars. They contain within them some anti-Jewish sentiment but not as much as later gospels and Christian texts. Anti-Jewish content from the synoptic gospels (Mark, Matthew, and Luke) includes: the cleansing of the Temple story, the withered fig tree story, the vineyard story, and claiming that Rome’s execution of Jesus was due to the insistence of the Sanhedrin. Now, the synoptic gospels have to be considered in the context of their time, and some of the authors were Hellenized Jews become Christian and likely saw this as an intra-religion dispute rather than an inter-religion one. That said, all of these texts and the theologies that arose from them later undergirded Christian (and then western) antisemitism.
And then we get to John. John was the last-written of the four gospels and it is much more explicit in its condemnation of the Jews. Gone are the distinctions between Jewish groups (the Sadducees, Pharisees, Zealots, Essenes) we see in the synoptic gospels. Now all Jews are the enemy of Jesus. Indeed, John (the book, not a specific person as we don’t know the author) uses “the Jews” 63 times and 31 times the use is actively hostile. Jesus fears “the Jews” will kill him. “The Jews” clamored for Jesus’ execution. The disciples hid in their homes from “the Jews.” All of that comes from John. But wait, there’s more! John also associates the Jews with darkness and the devil. There’s historical and historiographical reasons John may have removed the distinctions seen in the synoptic gospels. And I certainly can’t make the claim the author was an antisemite, because I don’t know who he was (other than someone more learned than the Mark and Matthew authors). But these texts taken uncritically and forming the basis of Christian theology absolutely helped form the root of Christian and western antisemitism.
Some of the epistles also undergird antisemitism woven into Christianity, but for brevity’s sake I will jump to the Book of Revelation. Here we find the famous condemnation of “those that claim to be Jews but are of the synagogue of Satan.” The traditional interpretation of these verses is as applying to Jews hostile to Christians, and also forms the basis in the belief in a Jewish anti-Christ.
For time’s sake I will leave it at those five texts, but it is important to note that each one contains multiple verses or stories that form the basis of what we now call antisemitism.
The Church Fathers took those texts and ran with them. Jews were identified as heretics and extra Deum (outside of god). Early Christian theologians said: Christians that would not venerate images had “Jewish minds,” that the Jewish G-d was an inferior god to the Christian one (Marcion), that our religion was incomplete, that gentiles had been chosen to replace us due to our failings, that we had committed deicide, that we were a special subset of people damned to hell and that we deserved collective punishment (Augustine), and that Jews’ sins were everlasting and collective and that we should be killed (John Chrysotom).
St. Jerome identified all Jews as Judas from the passion, and argued that our religion and religious practices were harmful to Christians. Ephraim the Syrian portrayed Jews as partners with Satan and satanic. He emphasized his view that Jews were wicked and Judaism was wicked.
Yeah, it’s a lot. Lots of hostility to the Jews in Christianity. And I haven’t reached the Middle Ages, this is early Christianity. Pre-Schism Christianity. And in here we can see the seeds of what Christian and western antisemitism looked like in its later forms. Deicide. Condemned by god. Supercession. Greed. Wickedness. Damnation. A subset of people that should be slain.
All of that comes from early Christianity and the Christian canon. And it’s modern forms are with us still: charges of deicide, accusations of Jewish trickery or lack of trustworthiness, claims of Jewish control of or manipulation of money or economies, a belief Jews are an inferior subset of human beings, claims that we are in league with a larger evil, and even calls for our deaths. All antisemitic claims still leveled today. All rooted in Christianity.
Do I believe all Christians or Christian cultured people are antisemites? No. But much of antisemitism is rooted in Christianity, and through colonialism and conquest was spread throughout western Christendom and exported to the Islamic world. Because of its deep roots in Christianity and Christian societies it was baked into secularized western nations because they are secular Christian nations.
So here are the roots. Here’s where much of the antisemitism in the west originated. Hopefully the more we learn of our past, the better we can do to forge a less antisemitic future.
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beguines · 5 months ago
Christians cannot claim to witness to the Holocaust without facing Christianity's own history of anti-Semitism. We cannot join in remembering the Holocaust without remembering the ways in which Christianity has helped shape and sustain a climate of persecution of Jews. We are not innocent bystanders, because our religion is complicit with the persecutors. The kinds of ideological arguments that were used to dehumanize Jews are rooted in centuries of Christian hatred and persecution of Jews, and in mythologies about Jewish character and Jewish evil. Christian inaction during the war did nothing to redeem this history. Although there were numerous Christians who hid Jews and were active in resistance, most churches went along with Hitler's policy. Even those churches that protested Hitler's policies did not always include the Final Solution in their protest. They resisted the war, but most remained silent about or removed from Hitler's policies of extermination.
For Christians, remembering the Holocaust requires a reformation of Christianity such that it might never again foster anti-Semitism . . . Christians cannot remember the Holocaust responsibly without undergoing repentance and transformation. Christians, in a sense, have to earn the privilege to witness. Remembering is not only about recalling the past, but about re-membering in the present in a way that pays attention to the implications of those memories.
Flora A. Keshgegian, Redeeming Memories: A Theology of Healing and Transformation
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hero-israel · 23 days ago
Since Desmond Tutu just died, here is a quick reminder that growing up in the churches of the 1930s-40s he learned an old-school Christian replacement theology and finger-wagging disdain for Jews and Judaism, and stayed mired in that ugly bias for his whole life.  He insisted that Jews were obligated to forgive the Nazis, repeatedly warned his followers about the evils of the Jewish (not Israel) lobby, and said that Jews can’t be judged by the same standards as other people.  He incessantly used the Holocaust as emotional blackmail against Jews who didn’t match his Jesus-parable expectations, while also spreading unbelievably reckless and inflammatory speculation that maybe Israel was about to exterminate the Palestinians.  
If Winston Churchill has problematic aspects to him today, then so does Tutu.  
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dikleyt · 5 months ago
I loathe having to talk about Jesus, so much that I’ve literally been putting this off for years, but the "Jesus was Palestinian" movement is one of the most egregious and insidious examples of a genre of Jewish erasure that claims Jews are just a religion, not a people, and does this through an avenue of attack that the strategists behind it know that Jews prefer not to engage.
Second Temple Jews were ethnically JEWS. They lived in Judea, under a Judean King or King of the Jews (the Herodians at the alleged time of Jesus) and a Jewish court system. They aspired, as devout Jews do today, to a Jewish Messiah who would come and liberate them from oppression, who would come from the old line of David, the King of Israel.
According to the Christian story, Jesus claimed to be this Messiah, and Jews have been killed for thousands of years because we rejected this claim. That is, we rejected his claim to be our King, the King of the Jewish people/nation, because it didn’t mesh with our own prophecies about what that King would do. And because we rejected his claim to be our King (not the King of the Palestinians), we were murdered in large numbers every year. And the devout among us continued waiting for the real King from the Davidic line who would liberate us from oppression.
This sort of historic erasure is dangerous, violent, and wilfully ignorant, substituting things that feel good in the moment for reality. I don't care how good you think your cause is; this is never OK. Find a way to advance your causes without attempting to destroy the Jewish people in the process.
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whoseventingthere · 2 months ago
“Please don’t talk about jewish culture things, like even mentioning your rabbi or correcting that judaism doesn’t have a hell, it makes me uncomfortable because it is a religion, and I was hurt by christianity when I was raised under it, and that is also a religion, so I have trauma related to all religons even though I know nothing about anything beyond christianity and everything else is just assumptions. What do you mean I’m just doing the work of christian-supremacisy for them? Haha what a funny thing to say, for I am an athiest, not christian.
Anyways, I’m so excite for CHRISTmas this year! :)”
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catherinebkrause · 5 months ago
It’s just really amazing the bodycount Christianity amassed using the spurious claim of “deicide”
“You killed someone we consider God, so we’re going to kill you forever, there is literally no limit to how many of you we can kill over and over because of this claim that we have no evidence for other than ‘dude trust me’.”
Probably the worst case of projection in history. “We must kill these murderous people who haven’t committed any murder, but we claim their ancestors said that the blood of our god was on them, all at once, in unison, which absolutely does indeed happen!!”
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theexodvs · 8 months ago
"The covenant timeline diagram in our Sunday school is simple. Let's go burn down the nearby Jewish village."
- Medieval Christians according to dispies
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autistic-mossbird · 10 months ago
Europeans are fucking racist. They are even still trying to deny the systematic racism, antisemitism, islamophobia, lgbtphobia, etc that they still uphold and plagues their societies. Not to mention Europeans are still trying to make people forget that they forced those disgusting beliefs and values onto their colonies when they still had them (publicly), while they were actively trying to erase any culture that wasn’t theirs.
During colonialization and even now in the present day Europeans believe they are superior to every other races due to their white skin. And still think that all other cultures and ways of living are primitive and uncivilized. They also still believe any other religion other than jesus to be misguided, and actively prohibit and oppress non jesus people from practicing their faith in public.
Europeans take these values, and the oppressions that goes with them wherever they go.
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drivergaga · a year ago
Can Messianics just stfu about Jewish stuff I am TIRED.
Nope because their whole existence is based around us ceasing to exist and becoming Christians and until we all do that (which is never going to happen) they will continue to be offensive and appropriative and all-around antisemitic :)
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minerfromtarn · 7 months ago
Like, if you’re an Xtian and your response to Jews pointing out how your religious texts have Jew hatred in them, and show how explicitly it’s there due to the religion’s early years of trying to delegitimize Judaism as a religion to sell it to potential pagan converts is to try and USE THE VERY TEXT WE SAY IS ANTISEMITIC, then you don’t have any solid ground on an argument at all. And instead all you’re doing showing that you want to hold on to the anti-jew portions of your faith and that you want to keep things easy and thus ignore the minority your religion has oppressed and beaten down for two thousand years.
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didyoumeanxianity · 7 months ago
Hi, please don’t feel at all obligated to answer, but I was reading your post about how Christian institutions are antisemitic at a macro level, and I had a question. What do you think a Christian practice that isn’t antisemitic would look like, if it’s even possible.
Hi there! Happy Friday!
So, I’ve said a couple of times that I am not personally of the belief that the antisemitism baked into Christian canon and theology means that Christianity is irredeemably antisemitic. And others could make a strong argument against that position, and no doubt will. I’m speaking only as myself, not as a representative of all Jews or as a definitive authority on religious scholarship.
The reason I say that is because, very recently (when looking at the last 2000 years of Christian history), we’ve seen some progressive Christian clergy doing the work: grappling with problematic verses in the Christian Bible, putting texts back into their historical contexts rather than ignoring those contexts, removing supercessionist theology from their preaching and practice, acknowledging and trying to atone for Christianity’s long practice of mistreating the Jews.
It’s a small, and nascent, move. And it faces a tough uphill battle because it means challenging core theological tenants of Christianity: evangelism, the great commission, supercessionism, Christianity’s sole claim to righteousness. That’s hard, and that decoupling Christianity from antisemitism means having to challenge these core Christian doctrines gives me little hope that Christianity writ large will leave its antisemitism behind. But these Christians have shown me that with enough work it can.
Christian practice that isn’t antisemitic means re-examining one’s understanding of key texts in the Christian bible, like the “cleansing of the Temple” and the withered fig tree. It means reinterpreting verses of the Book of Revelation. It means learning and understanding just how much harm those texts and the passion narratives have caused Jewish people. It means doing a lot of self-examination and listening.
It isn’t antisemitic to believe in the divinity or messianic nature of the Jesus figure. It’s not antisemitic to believe it is easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven. There is plenty of Christian belief that isn’t antisemitic, but it has to be decoupled from uncritical reliance on prior antisemitic theologies that underlie much of the modern church and verses that have been ripped out of their context for so long that most Christians don’t know what the context was.
Reflective Christianity that accounts for those things can be free of antisemitism. But it takes a lot of work, and the chutzpah to challenge core doctrines of the Christian faith.
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jewish-privilege · 3 years ago
Christians don't say "Jesus was a Jew" to dehumanize Jewish people. They say it to reject historical Christian antisemitism by pointing out that antisemitism should be antithetical to Christianity. It's often used by Protestants who have a favorable view of Judaism to emphasize interfaith relations.
“Favorable view.” I don’t want to be tolerated because the progenitor of a religion to which I don’t adhere who died 2000 years ago was also a Jew. They aren’t rejecting historic Christian antisemitism, they’re erasing it by saying implicitly or explicitly that all of it was somehow not really Christian. 
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hero-israel · 8 months ago
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This is the cultured educated professionals' spoken-in-polite-company support for corrective rape.
It's also more Christian supercessionism and cultural chauvinism - the very concept that suffering and trauma make you a good person, that third party observers are owed moral lessons from trauma survivors, that it all has a Greater Meaning. You can smell the reek of Jesus' armpits and buttcrack all over it. It pairs well with the assertion that Israel has an "Original Sin" that still taints it to this day (in a way that Christians' multiple global genocides, or, like, Australia's anything, do not).
The Pilgrims fled persecution in England and founded a slave state. The descendants of some of those slaves founded Liberia, an intensely unequal and corrupt caste society. Black Africans suffered for generations under Rhodesian apartheid, then turned that country into Zimbabwe which in some ways was even worse. China suffered prolonged occupation and genocide by Japan, then as soon as they got their act together they mass murdered even more of their own people.
Those examples don't come to mind as quickly, because they didn't happen in neighborhoods the Christians learned about in the Bible, the neighborhoods blessed by the odor of Jesus' armpits and buttcrack. The special holy neighborhood where everything that happens Means Something, where a cat can't piss in an alley without it meaning something to a Christian.
No one in the world is OWED a certain standard of performative moral school-play speechery from Israel. Their disappointment is the cheated squeak of a child who found out way too late that Mommy and Daddy are lying about Santa and concluded that they must be bad parents.
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ask-jumblr · 2 years ago
Is it anti Semitic to tell us that we have no salvation if we go by the “OT”? Because I feel it is and people tell me that all the time. I’m not even sure what to say back. Leaves me speechless.
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stupidjewishwhiteboy · 2 years ago
A critical aspect of antisemitism in the Western world that has multiple consequences is that gentiles of all identities, liberal, conservative, socialist, communist (maybe not fascist), Christian, atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, black, white, Latino, Asian, whatever, views Judaism as being either an adjunct of Christianity or at best as a sort of pre-Christianity, that Judaism is as distinct from say Catholicism as say Lutheranism is (or maybe Mormonism or Unitarianism or Jehovah’s Witnesses are) and that therefore their position on Jews can be identical to their opinion on Christians, whatever that opinion is.
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jewish-mccoy · 4 years ago
belarus will be putting the bones of jews in dumpsters
let’s not kid ourselves. if jews desecrated a christian cemetery, there would be riots. jews would get murdered. but because it’s a jewish cemetery there is no uproar. the world could care less.
belarus is doing this shit for apartments. they’re disturbing jewish gravesites for apartments. karma is a fucking bitch and I hope they get to experience it in full force because this? this is beyond despicable. 
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creekfiend · a year ago
A friend of mine from around here who is Very Christian and has never had a Jewish friend before was asking me some stuff about antisemitism today, and it made me realize that the ways people talk about various types of bigotry and racism are so designed to stump people about the nature and purpose of systems of oppression. "Why do people hate the jews so much?" is such a common refrain and while there have been many books and articles written pulling apart all the important contextual and historical things that can help people understand antisemitism SPECIFICALLY, what I ended up saying to my friend was this:
"Something to understand about antisemitism is it isnt just ideological. The expulsion of jews from various countries was very often a method of "legally" seizing their wealth when the church needed money. It has been historically an incredibly convenient source of both a group of people to blame and also an easy way to just... Be able to steal from people, lmao. It has served very concrete material purposes for churches and governments throughout history. Sometimes you have to approach asking those questions from a different angle because it often isnt about the hatred so much as it is about ... Redirecting energy and attention, right, like upholding structures that benefit those in power. The hatred is convenient because it allows those in power to take actions that would not be tolerated if the group in question were not considered to be Exceptional in their inhumanity. Like the undocumented immigrants now, asking "why do they hate the immigrants so much" isnt always a productive avenue of thought because the hatred is usually just... Useful. Rather it is more helpful to ask "Who does it benefit for these people to be treated this way" -> "what do they need to make the general public believe about that group of people in order to justify this treatment". I think sometimes we are made to think hatred of jews is special and rooted in something different than other hatred... It's not. I mean all types of racism etc are unique. But it very much is about justifying actions that benefit a ruling class in all instances, imo."
And she like totally got it!!! She was like "OH I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT LIKE THAT BUT THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE THANK YOU" I am very proud of myself lol :')
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if-i-am-not-for-me · 4 years ago
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I saw a Facebook ad for a subscription box that sends you the basics for observing major Jewish holidays from a page called "Days" or "Days United". But when I went to the website to check it out, the words used were strange. Basic Hebrew or Yiddish terms that most American Jews, even secular or non-observant ones, would know were not used. Latkes were called "Hanukah pancakes". Sufganyiot were "Hanukah donuts". The concept of lighting a menorah was explained in very basic terms, but not in a way that felt like it was geared toward a child. So I sent them a message (since their page is a 'cause' I couldn't make a public post) and asked them who this service is for. And their answer pretty much confirmed my suspicions. This bullshit is for Christians. It's teaching them how to steal our traditions and practices. These goyim are making money selling our culture to other goyim.
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drivergaga · a year ago
istg i HATE christian zionists who think they can speak on behalf of jews. and when you call them out and tell them to shut up they tell you the they have 0.00002% jewish ancestry and i'm like???? this doesn't make you jewish???? that's not what ethnicity means???? i'm so angry.
Christian Zionists are a fucking joke. They literally don’t care about the well-being of Jewish people at all. They only want us to all emigrate to Israel so we can bring about their apocalypse. Not to mention it comes with not only a huge helping of antisemitism (in their version of the apocalypse, all remaining Jewish people are killed), but with anti Palestinian racism too.
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