#christian pacifist

[saltintheseaa]

monster/mononoke/mushishi- holy trinity of life-affirming anime w loads of religious subtext abt a wandering doctor whose goal is to eliminate the harm caused by supernatural entities

#srsly comparing these three is so interesting to me #also they’re all named after the being that the doctor is hunting down #three diff religions- taoism buddhism christianity #loads and loads of generational trauma #rly dark like can get super grim but the message is that you must live #and all ultimately pacifistic in their approach to the creatures they are seeking #where the goal is not to eliminate the creature itself but find the root of the harm and resolve it #naoki urasawa's monster #mushishi #mononoke #diary

[illustratinglaura]

I'm normally not into war movies but I saw a clip from Hacksaw Ridge. A vegetarian Christian sawing people without killing anyone? A A PACIFIST CHRISTIAN VEGETARIAN HERO? How did I miss this?I neeeed this movie NOW!

(Also, Andrew Garfield? Yes please.)

(Also: you bet I'm gonna use screen shots from this movie as reference for Remus.)

#andrew garfield #christian #pacifist #vegetarian

[sivavakkiyar]

I’m sorry Tolstoy’s critique of art music on economic grounds just does not hold (if it ever did) in the era of Eurovision being a singular example

#why is that one coming back? most people quoting it aren’t pacifist Christian anarchists and that’s kind of central to the text #anyway grafting pop music onto ‘folk music’ is ridiculous in and of itself

[gxlden-angels]

I don't know how many of you watch/listen to Belief it or Not but I love his concern about a USAmerican pastor bringing a gun on stage for a message cause my old pastor openly bragged about being armed all the time

#gun mention #gun tw #and yes of course it was in the southeast #yeehaw :))) #I hated it #I understand the reasons why and it's very nuanced especially in the aftermath of multiple attacks on black churches #black churches are a staple of black communities and while I don't like christianity #I will defend the right of black churches to keep serving their communities #I hated his weird 'look at me I'm so modern and hip I'm not a pacifist like most christians' energy #It was really fuckin weird and it made me feel so uneasy #He implied most christians are passive and hate guns as if 'god guns and glory' wasn't a whole thing #idk I've had some iffy experiences with guns so I don't like them #and that was one of them #gave me bad anxiety of 'if you have a gun here (what I thought was the safest/holiest place as a kid) #then that means everywhere else is even less safe than I thought since you still need protection here #and no one helped me cause a) fear being sin and b) them holding onto the idea of Jesus personally protecting their church from harm #so they insisted that was and would always be the case #and starting to grow up in the social media scape and constantly learning about tragedy even in churches #well let's just say my OCD didn't come from nowhere #was genuinely convinced Id cause a shooting by worrying about it too much #I'm a lot better now #I'm much secure in the idea of a world of neutrality #Things happen and things don't happen and that's how chaos and nature work #I am not better or safer at a church but it doesn't mean Im never safe #And it doesn't mean Im never loved #anyways I got off topic this was meant to be a yeehaw Im from the south pew pew guns merica am I right? type post #but y'all know how I am I've gotta lot to say #thanks for reading <3 #ex christian #religious trauma

[soldier-poet-king]

Well dinner was....interesting....

We have my mother, a royals fan, bc she loves hallmark movies and appearances ig

My father, a royals hater, bc he's Acadian so it's a bitter 250yr old grudge on principal

Brother 2, doesn't care except for the memes

Brother 3, cares only enough to ask if Canadian coins are still valid and then goes back to whining about middle school drama

#and me. the unironic christian socialist #i love monarchy in fiction. or even pre industrial i think it could work sometimes #but like. as the head of a colonlial empire of generational wealth. we hate to see it #obvs im a gremlin pacifist and dont genuinely wish evil on anyone #so my feelings on the person. meh. #my feelings on the INSTITUTION???? WE HATE HATE MAIM KILL #can we pls not be a Commonwealth state anymore #free me from this colonial prison of symbols and also not symbols #anyway im not going to get into anything at all ofc #i am going to go read trc and be insane in a completely offline wah #but tldr no gods no kings (but one) completely unironically

[hattythewriter]

Quick Undertale ramblings on the alarm clock and religion portrayal

Howdy and Hola, friends. So a while ago on my Asriel character arc post, doloresbernathypiplup and admiral2019 were asking about whether or not I was following the winter alarm clock dialogue and how Asriel's conversion to Christianity works in Wholehearted when it seems like the Foxverse cast has their own religious system. While I did answer those questions in the comment section, I wanted to describe my answers more eloquently in one post so that no communication gaffs happen. I'm also afraid that I came off too dismissive or blunt without intending to, so I wanna give more detail as to my opinions on both, since both dolores and admiral have understandably decent questions.

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First, the alarm clock dialogue. I DON'T consider it canon. This is probably an unpopular opinion on tumblr, but I don't take it as canon. The reasons why I don't are, 1.) the project got canceled and never fully released. If the project were finished, then there's a possibility things would be different. But, even though dialogue got released, the clock never got finished like Undertale itself did. 2.) Toby has said before that merch isn't canon, but if the clock were released in full in an alternate timeline, then it would perhaps stretch into the "merchandise" category. In that scenario, a fully released clock being canon would be contradictory since it then becomes merch in the manner of a downloadable app. And 3.) the Undertale wiki has described the clock as "dubiously canon," which puts a question mark on canon reliability for the clock as well.

It's cool if others treat the clock as canon; I'm fine with that. But my own wish and hope are that anyone who stumbles across my story will understand *why* I don't personally consider it canon and thus don't follow it as a reference point in my works (and for understandable reasons) and are willing to agree to disagree with me. As long as people can roll with that and not try to discredit my work simply because I don't agree with the clock and are cool with agreeing to disagree instead, we're all good here.

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Now, portraying Asriel as a believer in my works. I know people have discussed before that the monsters seem to have a religion based around the "Angel" and thus, why would Asriel convert to Christianity in the Wholehearted series, especially considering the "Angel religion" as we'll call it? I'll also explain more about that here.

Undertale and Deltarune are confirmed to be on two separate timelines. This point of reference is *really* important, because just because some lore is portrayed one way in Deltarune doesn't mean a writer has to *follow* said lore in an Undertale-based story, and vice versa. This is due to them being on different timelines, and thus part of why I can write Asriel as a Christian in an Undertale based story without worrying about Deltarune. Let's get into that now.

In Deltarune, we have a fully-fledged religion based around the Angel. Lighteners worship the Angel as their god, and there's a full church system based around him. Not only that, but characters like Asriel, Toriel, Monster Kid, and Reverend Alvin faithfully worship the Angel in said game, with Asriel even being a church choir boy and a religious ska enjoyer. How does this differ in Undertale? Well, we hear of an Angel prophecy where the Angel, who has seen the surface, will free the monsters one day (which is revealed to be Asriel/Flowey). However, there are many *key* differences here. In Undertale, while the prophecy speaks very positively about the Angel, we never see any church system, nor religious ska, nor choir, nor worship system build on the Angel at all. Asriel/Flowey/the Angel is treated more like a mysterious folk hero. But in Deltarune, on the other hand, the Angel is worshipped, revered, sung about, and has a full church system built upon him. We also don't know if Asriel/Flowey is the Angel yet in that game or not. Due to those fundamental differences between games, we can safely conclude that while the Angel religion is indeed a thing in Deltarune, it's *not* necessarily a religion in Undertale and is more left up to interpretation due to being far more vague and less evidence for existing as a full-scale religion in Undertale.

As for me writing Asriel as a Christian in Wholehearted, it's for many reasons. 1.) When I learned that he loved religious ska and was a faithful choir boy in Deltarune, I just translated those elements over to my Undertale post-pacifist work as a neat little easter egg thing. 2.) I'm a believer myself, and I wanted to insert a little personal part of myself into Asriel's character to give me more motivation to write. 3.) The motive for him becoming a Christian is to be free from his past and finally feel clean, wanting to be permanently forgiven for all he's done. This is explained in Wholehearted Half-Souls chapter 2, where the narrator explains that he now wears "a wooden cross necklace also dangles around Asriel's neck, reaching down to the upper part of his chest. Being a religious child of faith, he is now renewed *with hope of finally being free, and being permanently forgiven for his past.*" He also says in a later chapter (WHHS, chapter 13) that he was never a real God, and he was very arrogant in that claim, helping develop his growth in humility.

For those reasons, Asriel being a Christian is understandable for multiple reasons and both from a "Deltarune translation over to Undertale" easter egg perspective (with some tweaks) and a character arc perspective. I'll be focusing on his conversion more, however, in Wholehearted Origins, with "First Day" releasing during the next few weeks. That story takes much time to focus on how he's seeking permanent forgiveness and wants to come to terms with his past. That's the origin of how he becomes a believer in my work. And hey, considering all the guilt he's built up, it makes sense as to why he would do such. As long as that motive is there, it helps me avoid being too preachy or on the nose in my stories.

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I'm sorry if I was too blunt or dismissive in the comments. That was not my intention, and I want to give a more fully-fledged answer now so that everyone knows I'm not mad or angry with anyone. I just have thought a lot about this and feel passionate about it. In any event, thanks to both delores and admiral for their questions and interest.

I'll leave it here for now. Take care, friends. I'll see you guys this weekend for the official release of chapter 2 of "First Day" on AO3 and Wattpad.

#undertale #undertale au #canon compliant #post canon #wholehearted origins #wholehearted saga #wholehearted half-souls #whhs #asriel whhs #flowey whhs #undertale alarm clock #undertale pacifist #ramblings #Christian references #deltarune

[gender-void-partially-stars]

having religion thoughts :///

#context i’ve been raised mennonite which is like. pacifist christianity #but i just can’t in good conscience keep going with a religion that says some crusty book is the right way to go and not ethical debates #no matter how nice the people are #like.. i don’t know where i stand in like the existence of an afterlife or deities or whatever but there’s too many unanswered questions #especially in christianity. there’s all the classics like why does god let bad things happen and im sick of the answer to everything being #‘’’faith’’’ #besides it still seems so culty. like people still say chants and shit #i’m open to other religions and spiritual dogmas but god christianity has done too much bad in the world #i don’t know what i would go to tho i don’t think i could go to another abrahamic religion and i don’t know enough about other ones

[papirouge]

time for the "sell your cloak and buy a sword" squad to stick to their words and book the next flight towards the Holy Land to defend the God Chosen people from the Islamists ☺️

#remember when yall made fun of me for being a pacifist? #well being a pacifist these days doesn't seem that bad #Christian #guns #papi watch #conservative #gun club #gun

[shrimpleton]

I think before the next season of Trigun Stampede airs, some of you should maybe go do a little non-negatively biased textual bible (and also buddhist and/or other comparative religions) studies just so the rest of us can be spared from your inane takes 😬😬

#you don't have to go in or come out saying 'wow I sure do love Christianity!!' #but maybe don't come out going 'there is absolutely no reason for a guilt-ridden angel-themed character to be a staunch pacifist' #also maybe go and re-examine things like trauma responses and abuse methods #and go read 'Why Does He Do That?' and 'The Gift of Fear' while you're at it too

[thinkingonscripture]

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[homunculus-argument]

I'm not fond of playing fighters or combat characters in anything, but if there's a type that I'd find funny to play, it'd be a DnD monk who's not an ambiguously eastern-religions-martial-arts -type of monk but a christian style one, who's supposed to be a pacifist and whose religion flat-out explicitly prohibits them from taking any kind of a combat role, but who's just, like, a huge hypocrite about it. Carrying a quarterstaff and insisting that it's just their religious staff. Going all "blessed are those who fuck around, for they shall soon find out."

THWACK

[bloody-teared-angel]

I don't know if I'm sad or angry about *H*H* and how it portrayed Hell and its Highest Princes, Kings, Presidents and Marquis or lack thereof. If Miss Medrano truly wanted to criticise Christianity, she could've utilised Demonology and people who work with them. And no, not all Demons are evil.

There are also videos of people having some experiences working or conjuring them and some Demons also want to share their knowledge.

King Paimon - There are videos of people talking about working with King Paimon and I highly recommend watching them. He teaches all arts, philosophies and all secrets things - an offering to him must be made.

Prince Orobas - faithful to the ones that conjure him, never deceives them, gives true answers to past, present and things to come, divinity and creation of the world, confers dignities and prelacies, and favour of friends and foes. - this Prince could be a nice depiction of Demons working with humans, since Prince Orobas along with King Paimon love sharing knowledge -

Prince Stolas - astrology, knowledge of herbs, plants and precious stones. Again, since he's the 'main character' in *H*B* they could show him teaching humans or those who desire to know more - imps or sinners. Then again....

Marquis Gamigin - teaches all liberal sciences and gives an account of the souls of those who died in sin and drowned in the sea. Stays with the conjurer until they are satisfied.

There are also tortured demons, who still wish to return to heaven - Phenex for example - also a pacifist demon, who got casted out of heaven due to not picking a side (no, not Belphegor who was just lazy). All of this could be written as a tragedy, a criticism of God and Christianity, that not all Demons are evil, how Satanists (not in horror movies) and others worship someone else other than God.

(TLDR, I still don't understand why they want to redeem sinners when heaven was shown to be worse than hell.)

#wasted potential to hell and back #anti hazbin hotel #anti helluva boss #hazbin hotel critical #hazbin hotel criticism #helluva boss critical #helluva boss criticism #they keep failing to utilise hell as this place of punishment #it's just second earth nothing more #criticise Christianity but do not whitewash POC figures in it #the fact she also got demonology wrong and is straight up spitting on canonical fall of Lucifer - his pride was his undoing #and his characterisation is truly laughable #everyone is an uwu angsty soft boy in hell #heaven is worse than hell hell is just another earth #anti vivziepop #vivziepop criticism

[beatrice-otter]

Time Travel killing Jesus and the religion of empire

There's a post about time travel going around tumblr, and somebody tagged that they would kill Mary before the birth of Jesus, so that Christianity wouldn't exist. Problem is, while that might indeed kill Christianity, it would probably just mean that Constantine would slot Mithraism into his Imperial domination schemes instead. In the late 200s AD there were two mostly-underground monotheistic mystery cults rapidly gaining adherents in the Roman Empire. There were a lot of similarities between the two, at least superficially. For example, there was a lot of emphasis on communal ritual meals. One was Christianity. The other was Mithraism. Constantine was intrigued by both. We know he was involved in Mithraism in his youth. But what Constantine really liked the idea of using religion to unify the Roman Empire. By the 300s, the Roman Empire was beginning to fragment, with regular civil wars. Constantine came to power in one of those civil wars. He thought that if everyone worshiped the same god (instead of different gods worshiped in different places, with the Roman pantheon and emperors as a thin veneer of unity), it would help keep the whole ramshackle edifice together. (Spoiler alert: it did not.) So he picked one of the two monotheistic religions that was rapidly gaining in popularity, and encouraged people to convert to it, heaping power and wealth on (some of) them. And that's how Christianity became an imperial religion. Christianity changed rapidly in response to that. Major parts of the religion were changed or dropped entirely. For example, until Constantine, the vast majority of Christians were strict pacifists. In most communities, soldiers were required to leave the army and find a new trade before they could be baptized. Obviously, this was unacceptable if Christianity was going to become the religion of the Roman Empire. In a straight-up choice between pacifism and Imperial power, the Christian church as a whole dropped the pacifism like a hot potato. 100 years after Constantine you have St. Augustine laying out the "Just War" theory where war is fine as long as you have a good reason for it. That's a complete 180 from everything the early Christians believed. There are many other examples of things that got dropped or changed in Christianity to make it more palatable to Imperial might. There are a lot of toxic things in Christianity as we know it. But the thing is ... many of them come from this process of adapting their beliefs and practices to fit what Constantine (and later Emperors, and the entire power structure of the Empire) wanted Christianity to be. Namely, something tame that affirmed and enforced the existing Imperial power structure. And Christianity has been a partner and tool of the power structures of the dominant culture ever since. This is one of the reasons there's so much difference between Jesus' teachings and Christian teachings, in so many cases. In a straight-up choice between faithfulness and power ... a majority of Christians in the last two thousand years have most often chosen power. But here's the thing. If Christianity didn't exist, that doesn't mean none of this would have happened. It just means that Constantine would probably have chosen Mithraism instead. Do you think the Mithraists would have been any less willing to take the power and wealth on offer to them, in exchange for becoming a lackey of empire? Do you think Christianity was uniquely corruptible? I don't.

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[aspiringwarriorlibrarian]

You know I’m not even a Christian but I’m still a better Christian than most conservatives desperately trying to find some loophole in “love your enemies, turn the other check, live by the sword and die by the sword” and a billion other explicitly pacifist scriptures to convince themselves Jesus wants them to kill people.

[graycious-tea]

Helluva Boss has me deep diving into Christian mythology and I just found out that the Ars Goetia are fucking fallen angels who followed Lucifer in the rebellion against heaven STOLAS IS A FALLEN ANGEL!! In mythology he’s characterized as a pacifist who hates war and finds it pointless. He spends his time teaching astrology! Like are you kidding me!? He’s so wholesome! Wdym he’s this evil demon thing??

#helluva boss #stolas #helluva stolas #vivziepop #heaven and hell #christian mythology #prince of hell #ars goetia #stolas goetia #fallen angel #war in heaven

[cowboymater]

controversial opinion maybe:

I KNOW. i know. hear me out

i saw a couple edits on tiktok of mcspirk to soldier poet king and like. i’m not putting anyone on blast but good lord some of those choices made my head hurt. it’s taken me a couple days to synthesize my reasoning for the superior choice (as pictured above), but here goes:

the problem with assigning characters to soldier poet king comes when you take it at face value, flattening the paradigm to angry-sad-tired or violent-artsy-authoritative. if we want to get down to the root of it, the song is based on the threefold office of christ as priest (soldier), prophet (poet), and king. like i’m not christian, but on a textual level it gives us context: the concept that as prophet jesus gave us counsel and words of wisdom, as priest he sacrificed himself to redeem us, and as king he provides for, defends, and forgives us

maybe the most famous priest/prophet/king (& thus soldier/poet/king) allegory in all of literature is frodo, gandalf, and aragorn. frodo bears the burden, though he wishes he did not need to; gandalf offers words of wisdom and mercy; aragorn is a born leader, on the front lines with sword in hand, ready to die with his men if he must

KING: capt. james t. kirk is the easiest one to place. it is a burden and a privilege, an honor and a horror to have the lives of so many depend upon you to make the right call under fire. he makes the call. he leads the landing parties, he puts himself at the head of the charge because by god he is not about to send his men into a battle he wouldn’t fight himself. he leads—with heart when he can, steel when he must—and people follow him. bones and spock are always right behind because they believe in what he believes in, and more than that they believe in him

POET: bones serves as kirk’s emotional sounding board, his moral peer review. he lends an ear, and the word of an old country doctor who’s seen much and understands more. man has ascended to the heavens, to hurtling through the void in a glorified tin can, and it would be no great hardship to forget that our place in the universe is not that of higher life—we are not as quasi-gods, moving pieces on the great three-dimensional chessboard, but flesh and blood, and we must attend to each other. bones tempers the pure logos and rationality offered by spock; he offers grounding in this age of technology that wrinkles the fabric of reality, offers the kind of emotional intellect that cannot be taught, and has always been sorely needed

SOLDIER: this is the one where you really get tripped up by surface-level analysis. yes, spock is reserved and collected. yes, vulcans are pacifists (as you may recall, so are hobbits, and yet frodo remains the soldier in allegory)

the thing about vulcans, though, is that despite the vegan pacifism, they are warriors. it’s tangled up in their history and their DNA. the koon-ut-kal-if-fee survived through centuries of analytical dogma for a reason; even now, they cannot wholly escape their inheritance of violence. their forefathers ran the sands of vulcan green with blood. they venerate logic and condemn emotionality so that they will not

your average high-achieving vulcan, probably on the path to kolinahr, commits their lifetime to the pursuit of knowledge at the vulcan science academy. it’s a measured, rational decision. a controlled environment, where there will never be any logical reason to resort to violence

spock joins starfleet

he joins starfleet, and pursues knowledge in the vast unknowable universe. there is reason for violence, frequently. and sure, the purpose of their mission is peaceful. it’s true that spock would rather resolution be reached without force. but a soldier needs not want to be a soldier. he only needs go to war

when it comes down to blows, he will match them. he makes the sacrifice play, jumps on the grenade, goes into the radiation-soaked engineering room alone. it’s only logical, after all

spock is there to pick apart the universe, unravel the threads of logic until it all makes sense. bones is there to stitch it up. kirk is the hand that holds it all steady, the gravitational field that binds the people of the enterprise to their purpose. soldier-poet-king, commander-doctor-captain. it’s a story old as dirt, and we’ll keep telling it, i think

edit: my bad vulcans have. green blood

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