#class reductionist

[thottybrucewayne]

Can I just say, that it seems like a lot of y'all just never left your 4channer antisjw "phases". You just realized that capitalism hurts you.

#thotty speaks #thotty rants #alotta yall are class reductionists because A. other things don't affect you B. you don't wanna look like a 'cringefail sjw' so you let #people walk all over you

[hussyknee]

ATTENTION white women, white working class, white LGBT, white disabled and neurodivergent folks, white colonized people, Global North people

#stop invoking misogyny against the criticism of marginalized people #'i only behave like a racist because i'm neurodivergent' people #and that one insufferable disability justice blog with zero intersectionality or allyship #class reductionists #tankies #people from the global north when told they have geopolitical privilege and complicit in imperialism #white feminism #anti radfem #white women #white liberals #white people #white queers #white leftists #western leftists #racism #anti-blackness #misogynoir #misogyny #sexism #ableism #class war #homophobia #transphobia #lesbophobia #queerphobia #second wave feminism #intersectionality #knee of huss

[magnoliamyrrh]

dont you think its odd that in almost every single movement or conflict or anything ever, "womens issues" and "womens concerns" are a secondary issue, a issue which were told distracts from the Real issue, how whenever women speak up were told to shut up and be quiet and that bringing up womens issues is distracting, causing unnecessary divison

dont you think that's a bit odd, when women are 50% of any given population

#somehow bringing up ethnicity or class Isnt reductionary but bringing up women which. again. 50%. thats reductionist

[shirkers2018dirsanditan]

if you ever read a really thought provoking article by a scholar or intellectual, absolutely do not find them on twitter

#the way i found CBS’ twitter and was just…severely disappointed #annie teriba olaku’s twitter is actually fire most of the time unless she starts talking about feminism so thats an exception #her rebuttals of race reductionist arguments in online pseudo feminist spaces can be good but that’s largely because she can criticize #feminists and fall back in her brilliant class analysis #but if she is giving her views on feminist theory…thats a big no lol #i dont even have a twitter see how toxic this is #they need to not let you even see the website if you dont have an account so i can be free

[zorrxchicle]

i haven't read nearly enough to call myself a marxist with any kind of confidence but my god, trying to discuss any topic in depth from a purely liberal perspective is so.

#like. talking about the state as if it were some sort of homogeneous entity #<<there are opposing interests at play>> #which ones? on what basis are they confronted? how does this clash of interests manifest? #only the vaguest mention of maybe some kind of economic motive at play perhaps. and like not to be reductionist but for fucks sake #the both-sidesism #the reduction of morality to legality. that one's specially bad with this professor but dios mío #the amount of university professors who use ''the bad ones'' ''the good ones'' while talking about complex social phenomena #i know you're oversimplifying for this hour and a half long class #but you sound like a charlatán #anyway. my fault i guess. pa qué me vengo si ya sé cómo son

[lookwhatilost]

i also conceptually bristle a bit at “pretty privilege” when it’s brought up in discussions, because you’d figure marxists would know better than that. marx has explicitly acknowledged in his body of work that all human differences are capable of being exploited. getting into this territory is veering close to the territory of “vanilla privilege” and “non-goth privilege”. there’s no human levittown.

marxism is a powerful tool for understanding worker/owner relationships, something that carried out on a wide enough scale, could make a seismic difference for unequal statistical outcomes. race, for example, is heavily tethered to class in the united states. it’s unlikely we’ll ever see a true meritocracy, but this is the closest we can realistically get. besides, you can’t regulate thought, so what exactly are we trying to do with this one?

#not lookwhatilost being a class reductionist again

[neverendingford]

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#got to walk someone through the tingly numb twitching face stress panic attack experience last night. #christianity goes on a lot about how your pain and suffering is meant to help other people. and yeah you shouldn't be reductionist like that #don't turn someone's present current pain into an object lesson for years down the road. that's absolutely not helpful in the moment #but it can help process the pain in retrospect. #I was able to talk about my experiences forcing myself to speak in front of the class in my college spanish class #and about how I would leave the class and wander the 9pm parking lots for hours to calm down my face muscles #was able to explain how even if you can't put words to the stress. it's still real. #about how even if you don't even feel bothered by it right now. stress still affects you. #how psychosomatic isn't a way to blow off someone's ailments but rather a way to understand how intangible stressors still affect us #being able to explain to an eighteen year old that he's not alone because he's feeling what I did when I was eighteen. #my pain did not have a meaning when it happened. my pain was not caused for someone else's benefit #but I can choose to use my experience to help others after the fact. I can look back and choose to turn that pain into something else #if someone is hurting. do not give their pain away to someone else years from now. use your experience to connect with them. #being able to say “I think I know what you are feeling because it sounds like my experience as well” is a way to say “you are not alone” #to hear someone screaming into a pillow and talking with people that do not exist and say “I have done the same thing.” #sure you might be crazy. but you're not alone. sure you might be out of your mind but I know what it's like #I know what it's like to almost lose hold of reality like a kite on a windy day. #idk. it's beautiful and makes me happy.

[log6]

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[preppyquate]

the gall to imply that female liberation isn’t important or necessary. that the thoughts and discussions around makeup and diets and eating disorders and sex and aging and insecurities in a radical feminist sense aren’t useful? to suggest those discussions might come up and people might have similar opinions to feminists on those issues but ppl shouldn’t focus on that or identify with a movement that encourages deep feminist critiques on those topics. we need to focus on the REAL issue. no war but class war

#class reductionists are so gross #women are so scattered across the political spectrum and scared to even agree with each other and center our own issues #because we know we’re not allowed and it’s wrong to do so #like the lack of actual engagement in other viewpoints that are so similar to theirs because they’re obsessed with keeping the belief #that radfems hate free will and choice and critique systems women were socialized to partake in and therefore hate those women #or see them as less then #like wow. if you feel attacked at people being anti makeup and immediately feel like they’re being anti women #unpack that and learn to stop projecting #very white female tears esque of y’all #we don’t hate women who wear makeup or view them as less then #i think as a person who wears makeup i understand how it can be something fun and enjoyable #alongside a social norm that you feel ugly without participating in

[tamamita]

Surely voting biden is worth it for the breathing room and ability to focus campaigns on boycotts and foreign policy rather than being under attack by trump? Ik you said biden is likely to lose but isn't it worth it just to try? Like, it won't be as easy to shed imperialism if we're busy fighting against even more oppression. But ig if you've decided biden is gonna lose then you're right abt it, I'm just thinking long term too, don't see what the harm is for voting biden

Well no, you can go for a class independence; vote for an independent socialist party. Like the point is that the workers must support their own candidates and perserve their revolutionary position. Marx said that the working class should not be led astray by whatever slogan the Democrats are throwing at you. Such talks only serve to swindle the proletariat. It is far more advantageous to operate independently than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of reactionaries in the representative body. The point is to tactically engage the state and society in a way which generates revolutionary capacity in preparation for a critical revolutionary moment as I've stated earlier.

The reason you're persuaded to vote for Biden is because libs/harm reductionists see the problem as lack of support from workers in the present, or limited capacity for consciousness due to immediate issues they might be facing (economic, political, racial, whatever), and therefore push for engagement in present systems to protect those who are most at-risk in domestic society in preparation for the arrival of such a moment. It becomes an issue of identity politics, because harm reduction does not concern itself with every marginalized group, only a few ones. Once that has been solved, what next? So the question is, who is harm reduction for and who is it not for? This approach will fail because it simply reproduces the grip of capital in an attempt to combat the detriments and puts a closure on the potential for a socialist or communist party outside the existing mechanisms of the state.

[thottybrucewayne]

Some of the stuff yall frame as "leftist infighting" isn't that at all because these people don't hold community with each other. Me telling some class reductionist dirtbag leftist who gets all of their politic from debate streamers and hasn't cracked open a book on anything they say they believe once in their lives to go fucking kill themselves isn't leftist infighting.

It's just funny!

#thotty speaks #like im not going to waste my breath trying to reason with someone who cannot be reasoned with #I'd rather just tell you to go fucking kill yourself!

[ftmtftm]

Imperialism is a mode of capitalist extraction that emerged out of colonialism, it is capitalist in nature. This isn't the class reductionism you're accusing me of, its a standard marxist understanding of imperialism. If you have a different definition of it (as you seem to have of a few things after a closer look at your blog) I'd love to hear it, but as it stands I'm not sure exactly how you come to the conclusion that imperialism is a system that is distinct from capitalism

Imperialism existed before (modern) capitalism and existed as a concept before Lenin and Marx wrote about it oh my lord. The desire to colonize other lands and extract their resources for monetary profit isn't a capitalist invention, despite it being a main function of capitalism.

It's ahistorical - and yes, actually, extremely class reductionist - of you to perpetuate the idea that imperialism is a capitalist invention. They are two distinct concepts that overlap and intersect but they're not that conjoined by cause and effect.

I'm also, personally, absolutely not a Marxist and never will be so I don't particularly care about adhering to Marxist definitions of words.

#this is why i can't stand talking to communists 💀 #asks #anon #(added (modern) to make my point more clear - i've only been awake for like 2 hours and haven't left bed so excuse the shortness but #i've been having these conversations offline for years and i'm so tired)

[socialistexan]

I'm so tired y'all.

So tired of people on the left, LGB people, and so-called feminists that either don't care about trans people or actively work against us.

So tired of "anti-woke" class reductionists who think it's okay to throw trans people under the bus to try to ally themselves with "right populists" like Tucker Carlson and Josh Hawley.

So tired of centrist liberals that think they can just ignore trans rights because we're "too controversial" right now and don't want to alienate exurban voters that won't even vote for them anyway.

So tired of my community, one that is extremely small - even with the supposed "social epidemic" of trans people coming out recently - being treated as the go to punching bag blamed for everything and used as a wedge issue and boggie man to scare white middle class suburbanites into voting for fascists.

I'm so tired of state after state treating us like inhuman monsters than need to be morally (and legally) mandated out of existence.

I'm. Just. So. Tired.

Being trans is emotionally exhausting and means living in near constant stress and fear, even in supposedly safe and welcoming places. But people think we do this for fun or try to force it on kids? Fuck you.

#trans #transgender #nonbinary #lgbtq #lgbt #trans rights #transphobia tw

[txttletale]

“degenerates” and “perverts” dont have any more or less revolutionary potential in and of themselves because being a “pervert/dengenerate” isnt a relationship to the means of production. it’s not a class. you can have bourgeois perverts and working class perverts. if you’re saying that working class perverts have more revolutionary potential than non-perverts, that’s also not necessarily true. revolutionary potential isnt a measure of how ostracized or oppressed you are

this is a reductionist & narrow view of 'the means of production' -- if you are not analyzing the family (and in this case the relation to sexuality implied thereof) as both an economically productive element of the capitalist mode of production & the fundamental unit of capitalist social reproduction then you do not have a v. good or comprehensive theoretical understanding of how capitalism functions and sustains itself!

#ask #marxism

[beardedmrbean]

A New York Times columnist criticized "antiracist" guru Ibram Kendi’s philosophy as "reductionistic" and "strident" while slamming the academic institutions, businesses and donors that bought into the notion in the aftermath of George Floyd’s murder.

Times columnist Pamela Paul wrote on Thursday that institutions pushing Kendi’s school of thought were going "against the enlightened principles on which many of those institutions were founded — free inquiry, freedom of speech, a diversity of perspectives."

Paul’s column is the latest hit on Kendi, whose reputation has been damaged in recent weeks following news that his antiracism center at Boston University had undergone major layoffs.

In the fallout from these layoffs, workers came forward with bombshell allegations that the center "exploited" staff and "blew through" millions of dollars in grant money while failing to deliver on its promises.

Paul began her piece with comment on Kendi’s fall from grace and then continued with an examination of why so many cultural institutions bought into his mantras in the first place.

She wrote, "The recent turmoil at Ibram X. Kendi’s Center for Antiracist Research at Boston University, with more than half its staff laid off and half its budget cut amid questions of what it did with the nearly $55 million it raised, led to whoops of schadenfreude from Kendi’s critics and hand wringing from his loyal fans."

After noting how both right and left viewed Kendi, as either "what was right or wrong with America’s racial reckoning since the police murder of George Floyd," she wrote that it is "more interesting" that he was so propped up considering his "simplistic" ideas.

"More interesting is that many major universities, corporations, nonprofit groups and influential donors thought buying into Kendi’s strident, simplistic formula — that racism is the cause of all racial disparities and that anyone who disagrees is a racist — could eradicate racial strife and absolve them of any role they may have played in it," Paul wrote.

She rebuked these institutions, adding, "After all, this reductionist line of thinking runs squarely against the enlightened principles on which many of those institutions were founded — free inquiry, freedom of speech, a diversity of perspectives."

But because of their support, Paul added, "Kendi’s ideas gained prominence, often to the exclusion of all other perspectives."

After giving a brief history of how the racial thinker developed his ideas, the columnist claimed there are better, more nuanced ideas of confronting racism.

She first cited Kendi’s 2019 book, "How to Be an Antiracist," which was the basis for much of the antiracist thought that made him an often-cited expert in the George Floyd era.

Paula wrote, "In this book, Kendi made clear that to explore reasons other than racism for racial inequities, whether economic, social or cultural, is to promote anti-black policies. ‘The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination,' Kendi wrote, in words that would be softened in a future edition after they became the subject of criticism."

She summarized this assessment, adding, "In other words, two wrongs do make a right. As practiced, that meant curriculums that favor works by Black people over white people is one way to achieve that goal; hiring quotas are another."

Paula also noted how antiracism "requires a commitment" to "active opposition to sexism, homophobia, colorism, ethnocentrism, nativism, cultural prejudice and any class biases that supposedly harm Black lives. To deviate from any of this is to be racist. You’re either with us or you’re against us."

The columnist slammed these ideas, arguing that individuals can advocate less extreme positions and still be considered not racist. "Contra Kendi, there are conscientious people who advocate racial neutrality over racial discrimination. It isn’t necessarily naive or wrong to believe that most Americans aren’t racist," she said, adding, "To believe that white supremacists exist in this country but that white supremacy is not the dominant characteristic of America in 2023 is also an acceptable position."

Paula concluded the piece advocating for a "more nuanced and open-minded conversation around racism and a commitment to more diverse visions of how to address it."

#nunyas news #nice to see the number of people that are tired of him

[burnitalldowndarling]

https://www.tumblr.com/burnitalldowndarling/744870483940524032/whats-been-particularly-vile-to-me-is-this-group

#alladis#the left started to die when the white people took over#obama derangement syndrome hit them just as hard#they've just displaced their bigotry in more convoluted ways Really? How so? /genuine

Short on time so not a lot of links or theory, but I think a major example of what I'm talking about is the white leftist dismissal of "identity politics." What they mean by idpol is marginalized people taking pride in their identities or talking about bigotry, which white leftists typically frame as a distraction from more important issues. Thing is, the "more important" issues tend to be those of primary importance to white men, such as UBI or copyleft -- but it's not idpol when they do it. Another example is the embrace of class-centered (also called "class first" and "class reductionist") leftism. Addressing class disparities and economic justice does help marginalized groups as well, but do remember that the people who stand to gain the most from class uplift are those who were already well-off -- as white cis people tend to be, in America, thanks to historical and systemic bigotry. The rising tide floats all boats, but those who already had speed boats in the water are still going to do better than the folks surviving on inflatable rafts.

Identity-centric politics such as anti-racism have always addressed class and economic justice issues, but had the added benefit of centering the most vulnerable groups. The idea was that if you address the needs of/reduce harm to those groups first, everyone still benefits, but you save more lives. In their rejection of idpol, the American left now often ignores harm reduction, denigrates incremental improvements that benefit marginalized groups, and weakens the whole coalition by permitting established power hierarchies and bigotries to run rampant. See the "dirtbag left". See also Bernie Sanders' own 2016 campaign staff revolting because he failed to address racism, racial and gendered pay disparities, and sexual assault. How's he going to build a progressive national coalition when he can't even get his own house in order, progressively?

And I blame white leftists, along with white conservatives, for Trump's election in 2016. These are the people who kept pushing third-party voting, "boycotting" voting, and accelerationist nonsense like the idea that letting Trump get elected would hasten The Glorious Revolution -- never mind if it killed a few poor or brown people along the way. These are people who attacked and dismissed marginalized people online (especially Black and queer women) whenever they pointed out the dangers of a Trump win. They were absolutely vile in their sexism toward Hillary Clinton and anyone who supported her. In a lot of cases these were "leftist" influencers and such who embraced Gamergate and other harassment campaigns, and used the techniques of same against their fellow leftists -- and surprise, surprise, several years later a whole lot of the most prominent ones have come out as fascists. They got right-wing radicalized during the 2000s and 2010s same as white conservatives, in other words; they're just as racist, just as gender essentialist, just as anti-semitic and classist and so on. They just like UBI too. And they're better at using therapy-speak or communist-speak to hide their bigotry.

Tl;dr, while there are plenty of white leftists who are doing the work and doing it right, the most prominent face of leftism for the last 10 years has been the dirtbags, the brocialists, the accelerationists, etc -- people who IMO make the left weaker, and who are frequently dangerous to the very same vulnerable groups that the left should be centering. And way too many of them have become very wealthy from doing so, at which point a lot of them stop being progressive. Almost as if they were only ever in it to advance themselves, in the first place.

#anon ask #ranting #my fucking country