#collyridians

[witchy-dabblings]

“O Mari, O Mari, enter my heart as thy love” is very much becoming my go to comfort chant.

It’s a personal spin on a chant found in Garlands Of Grace by @ladybrythwensinclair

#chant #mantra #religion #spirituality #virgin mary #collyridianism #déanism #filianism #janite tradition

[apilgrimsprogress]

wikipedia links below the cut!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoptionism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collyridianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quietism_(Christian_contemplation)

#o #polls #heresies

[fuckyeahgoodomens]

I might not have been paying attention but what happened to the third baby during the switch?

Hiya! :) It is explained in the book (which I very much recommend! :)). If you want to read the book and find out then stop reading now ❤.

...

In the book there is more about The Them and we find out that Tadfield as another gang lead by the boy 'Greasy Johnson', the gang is called the Johnsonites. We find out that Greasy Johnson is actually the third baby :). And there are some greats passages about the metaphors for The Them vs the Johnsonites / Hell vs. Heaven :):

"I dunno," said Pepper. "I mean, it wouldn't be so interesting without ole Greasy Johnson and his gang. When you think about it. We've had a lot of fun with ole Greasy Johnson and the Johnsonites. We'd probably have to find some other gang or something."

"Seems to me," said Wensleydale, "that if you asked people in Lower Tadfield, they'd say they'd be better off without the Johnsonites or the Them."

Even Adam looked shocked at this. Wensleydale went on stoically: "The old folks' club would. An' Picky. An'—"

"But we're the good ones . . ." Brian began. He hesitated. "Well, all right," he said, "but I bet they'd think it'd be a jolly sight less interestin' if we all weren't here."

"Yes," said Wensleydale. "That's what I mean."

"People round here don't want us or the Johnsonites," he went on morosely, "the way they're always goin' on about us just riding our bikes or skateboarding on their pavements and making too much noise and stuff. It's like the man said in the history books. A plaque on both your houses."

This met with silence.

"One of those blue ones," said Brian, eventually, "saying 'Adam Young Lived Here,' or somethin'?"

Normally an opening like this could lead to five minutes' rambling discussion when the Them were in the mood, but Adam felt that this was not the time.

"What you're all sayin'," he summed up, in his best chairman tones, "is that it wouldn't be any good at all if the Greasy Johnsonites beat the Them or the other way round?"

"That's right," said Pepper. "Because," she added, "if we beat them, we'd have to be our own deadly enemies. It'd be me an' Adam against Brian an' Wensley," She sat back. "Everyone needs a Greasy Johnson," she said.

"Yeah," said Adam. "That's what I thought. It's no good anyone winning. That's what I thought." He stared at Dog, or through Dog.

"Seems simple enough to me," said Wensleydale, sitting back. "I don't see why it's taken thousands of years to sort out."

And then on the airfield :):

"I just don't see why everyone and everything has to be burned up and everything," Adam said. "Millions of fish an' whales an' trees an', an' sheep and stuff. An' not even for anything important. Jus' to see who's got the best gang. It's like us an' the Johnsonites. But even if you win, you can't really beat the other side, because you don't really want to. I mean, not for good. You'll just start all over again. You'll just keep on sending people like these two," he pointed to Crowley and Aziraphale, "to mess people around. It's hard enough bein' people as it is, without other people coming and messin' you around."

Crowley turned to Aziraphale.

"Johnsonites?" he whispered.

The angel shrugged. "Early breakaway sect, I think," he said. "Sort of Gnostics. Like the Ophites." His forehead wrinkled. "Or were they the Sethites? No, I'm thinking of the Collyridians. Oh dear. I'm sorry, there were hundreds of them, it's so hard to keep track."

#good omens #good omens book #third baby #greasy johnson #the them #adam #johnsonites #I love these parts #❤ #book excerpt

[undertheworldtree]

A brief update on my spiritual beliefs: I've been reflecting lately about my spirituality and have come to realization that I'm not really a Collyridian with a capital C anymore. Mother Mary and Jesus are still important to me spiritually and always will be. But in all honestly I think I see them more as Divine or Elevated Ancestors I'm also trying to delve a bit more into Espiritismo (Latin American Spiritism) with a focus saints and angels That being said, I am very much still Trinosophian Goddessian and Heathen

[apenitentialprayer]

has there ever been a christian heresy that considered mary to be more important than christ ?

More important? I don't know. Just as important? Yes, Collyridianism taught that Mary was a goddess figure. Very little is known about this group, because it is only explicitly mentioned by Epiphanius of Salamis, where he condemns it as contrary to the Catholic faith.

Interestingly, Muhammad may have had some contact with these Christians, as the Qur'an explicitly condemns a Trinity involving God, Jesus, and Mary in Surah 5, ayah 116.

#asks

[byzantine-suggestions]

Early Christian Schisms Bracket

Apollinarism: A heresy proposed by Apollinaris of Laodicea that argues that Jesus had a human body and soul, but a divine mind rather than a rational human mind. It was deemed heretical in 381 and died out afterwards.

Collyridianism: An early Christian movement of women in Arabia who worshiped the Virgin Mary as a goddess. The name Collyridianism comes from little cakes, called collyris, which were given as offerings. The sources about this sect are scant, and some people doubt it ever existed at all.

#schisms bracket #polls

[peartreetheft]

"St Epiphanius (died 403) teaches in opposition to the sect of the Collyridians whose members paid an idolatrous veneration to Mary: 'Mary should be honored, but the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost should be adored. Nobody should adore Mary.'" - Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma

#mary #catholic #ludwig ott

[monstrousgourmandizingcats]

Do you have a favorite early Christian heresy

Collyridianism if it actually existed, which, all I know is my heart says maybe. Least favorite is Nestorianism, most overrated is everything under the "Gnostic" umbrella, most underrated is whatever it was that the Council of Chalcedon was supposedly condemning.

Ask me questions to distract me from fandom drama

#theology #history #give me love give me memes #carys-the-ninth

[skaianbruja]

Tbh, it actually really pisses me off when people use victims of religious cults as a sorta "gotcha" against Jewish people discussing Cultural Christianity and how many ex-Christians in the West still benefit from Christian hegemony

Like Idk, I grew up in a Christian Fundamentalist / Evangelical cult and am uncomfortable with identifying as / being identified as a Christian (I prefer either "Sophian" or "Collyridian"). But like not once have I ever felt that Jewish people talking about Cultural Christianity was invalidating my trauma in any sense. Culturally Christian atheists on the other hand do invalidate my trauma regularly by saying shit like "All religions are cults"

#walking with the hedgehog

[the-road-from-calvary]

What is your favoeite heresy?

Perhaps predictably, I have a soft spot for Collyridianism. Even amid debates that the sect existed at all, it seems to be perpetually reinvented, which I find pleasing.

[tellurian-in-aristasia]

History of Aristasia, from the AristasianSpirituality Yahoo Group, according to Aristasians at the time.

Over on the archive of the AristasianSpirituality Yahoo Group, you can see an early version of their history, straight from Miss Sushuri (in her persona as Miss Annalinde). This was posted in January of 2005. The text below the image is copy/pasted from the source:

First let us consider Aristasian religion. To do this we have to understand something of how Aristasia-in-Telluria has developed.

It began in the 1970s and it is often said that the impetus came from the realisation that the cultural collapse of the 1960s (which came to be called the Eclipse) was not a temporary social aberration but was at least semi-permanent. A society was being created based on utterly false principles - moral, aesthetic and spiritual. The Western world had long been guided by false philosophies, and moral (that is to say, not ordinary immorality which exists at all times, but a denial or inversion of morality) and aesthetic corruption had affected sections of the intelligentsia since early in the 20th century, but in the 1960s it began to affect the lives of the entire population, creating a radically false, inverted or Tamasic society.

This necessitated secession: the creation of a society - or societies - that separated themselves from the all-pervasive corruption of the society created by the Eclipse (which came to be called the Pit). The society of earlier decades of the 20th century was used as a model, not from a desire to "live in the past", but from a belief that - to use a small parable - when one becomes lost in a forest one should retrace one's steps to the point at which one became lost and continue on from there.

This could have been done in various ways. There could have been a mixed group of men and women. A few such groups have been attempted, but never with much success. Aristasia has always been favourable to such attempts while not wishing to abandon the integrity of Aristasia itself.

Aristasia was all-female for two reasons. First that men (governed by the planet Mars) tend toward discord and find it very hard to organise when there is no forcible centre of authority. Male groupings tend to be dogged by arguments, splits and schisms.

The second reason was simply that the founders wanted an all-female group. Having been deprived by the Eclipse of a legitimate social order, they felt free to create their own order in the form they preferred. And they preferred an allfeminine world. As do we.

Some would also put forward a third reason. They would suggest that as patriarchy reaches its apogee, attempting to suppress femininity even in women themselves, a counter-movement, a feminine collegia is a necessary corrective. Many early Aristasians went even further and argued that they were helping to embody a re-entry of the feminine spiritual principle into the hyper-patriarchal and spiritually moribund Western world.

There have been various approaches to religion and spirituality in Aristasia, from those who really took little interest in the subject to those who, particularly in the 70s and 80s of the last century, developed a very comprehensive religious practice and thealogy. You have mentioned the Collyridians, who are named from their practice of offering cakes or bread to Our Lady - a practice clearly similar to that of the Hebrew women at the time of Jeremiah who offered honeycakes to the Queen of Heaven, and of course of the practice of offering prasada to Sri Lakshmi or other Hindu forms of Our Lady.

For many Aristasians, the offering of honey cakes became a central act of worship and even developed a liturgical form. Some even developed a Mythos of the Mother and Daughter with a highly developed thealogy. At the time there were a number of Aristasians and quasi-Aristasians about the Aristasian District and University of Milchford, and a few other centres, and this culta gained considerable impetus. After a time, it was called into question on the grounds that, in Telluria, it was not founded on any legitimate tradition. Its followers held that it was inspired and was a legitimate re-emergence of a matriarchal faith for our times.

This is the point, in masculine organisations, where splits and schisms tend to take place. Aristasia dealt with it rather differently, and in its own whimsical way. Those who adhered to the full religion of the Mother and Daughter continued to do so. Those who did not regarded it as something from Aristasia Pura that was not appropriate for Aristasia-in-Telluria. The two "factions" lived in peace. The thirteen-month Calendar of the Mother and Daughter religion is regarded as the Old Aristasian Calendar.

This is all a bit of a rationalistic way of putting it, and understates the extent to which Aristasia Pura is a reality to us. But that is a matter for another occasion.

Over the following decades things have settled. The full religion seems no longer to be practiced. Everyone is agreed that God is our Mother, whether she is a "spiritual person" or not. The seven Planetary Principles or Janyati are universally accepted by Aristasians as something very close to the original feminine statement of that part of the Western tradition as well as something fully Aristasian.

The continuing development of Aristasian devotion is a vital matter. Most would agree that Aristasian Religion in its fullest form went a little too far in creating a "tradition". Most would also agree that it did a lot of very good philosophical and theological work to which we are indebted. What precisely will be the next steps in development we are not yet sure. That is why this group takes as its premise a very simple bhakti devotion to the Mother upon which everyone can wholeheartedly agree.

But it does not have to stop there. Aristasia has always been open to different approaches and perspectives. For such a young movement, we have a rich history of spiritual, philosophical and devotional development.

The great danger of "new religious movements" in the West is that they will base themselves upon, or at least be influenced by the philosophical errors of the Rajasic era, and now of the Tamasic. The various modernistic cults of the New Age Movement are perfect examples what happens under such influences. With such a book as The Feminine Universe in our hands we should certainly be able to avoid these errors.

Claims of a continuing tradition are, in our view rather dubious. What sort of a tradition in any case? An initiatic one with a chain of initiation going back to - to what? So many questions are raised without satisfactory answers.

What has happened, we feel, is that the Archetypes of the Worship of the Mother are abiding realities and so manifest themselves whenever the "ground" is ready for them. The Collyridians may have had a direct chain of tradition going back to the Hebrew women of Jeremiah's time, or there may be a form of worship that, like a living thing, is always there, ready to break through when the "concrete" of patriarchy cracks a little.

I should be very interested to hear your views on this matter, as also those of Miss Marianne Trent. And, of course, the rest of the group!

May Our Lady bless you,

Annalinde

#aristasian history #aristasia #miss sushuri

[heartofbarbelo]

Hi, I'm a total beginner to this but I would like to pray to Mary/ The Guadalupe and give them both proper thanks. where do I learn about how to pray to them in the right way? Thank you for your time.

Sorry I'm not a Marian worshipper so I'm not the best one to ask.

Anyone else got something for Anon?

#our lady of guadalupe #marian worship #virgin mary #collyridianism

[ghostsofdecay]

i fucking FINALLY found a religion that works for me just to find out that it died out in 450 AD~????????????????????? THE F U C K???????

#this is a post about Collyridianism

[nightingveilxo]

My Goddess In National Geographjc special edition.

#Mary #collyridian #Mary worship #the goddess #black madonna

[burnbrighterthanever]

Because no one asked for this, have a bunch of old Christian heresies rated by a tired Jew:

Adoptionism: 9/10. jesus was a human prophet who gained the title of god's son through virtue. acknowledges our lad yeshua as a good man first and foremost. nice.

Arianism: 8/10. jesus was a human prophet and in no way god's actual son. fun. annoyed the Church a lot. loses points for copying adoptionism.

Collyridianism: 10/10. the trinity is mary, god, and jesus! now we're talking! finally some love for maryam!

Docetism: 1/10. jesus was not a human but a divine spirit, and his suffering was a magic illusion. boring and terrible. yeshua being a mortal human capable of pain is what makes him interesting.

Sabellianism: 6/10. the trinity are just god in different funny hats, not separate aspects. i literally couldn't care less about the difference, but it gets some points for trying for the monotheism.

Pslinanthropism: jesus was just Some Guy. 9/10. Now that's the Jewish View! loses a point for not just being called Being Jewish.

Tritheism: 7/10. god, jesus, and the holy spirit are separate gods. loses points for blatantly ignoring the Tanakh, gains some back for being more honest than the rest of the church.

Monothelitism: jesus has both divine and human natures, but one will. 10/10, honestly i thought this was the orthodox view. very sensible.

Monophysitism: jesus was more divine than human. 1/10. like i said, reduces the most interesting thing about our lad yeshua.

Sethianism: 12/10. the serpent in eden was working for god all along, because god wants to us have knowledge. now that's some good theology! knowledge as a form of worship is just chef's kiss.

Other Gnostic Sects, Because I Don't Care Enough To Name Them Separately: 5/10. gain points for scaring the catholics and rejecting wealth. lose points for the Material-World-Is-Evil thing.

Ophitism: 8/10. the snake in eden is the good guy, and god was in the wrong. now this is Ye Olden Luciferianism! very fun!

#jewish #fun and exciting new heresies #stel speaks

[hungryfictions]

petition to bring back collyridianism