#cw transmisogyny

[babsaros]

hey. when cis society is oppressing a trans man, what he is experiencing is. In Fact. misogyny. i'm sorry i know none of us like to be reminded of our agab, and it hurts whenever people perceive you as the wrong gender. but a cis person hate-criming, assaulting, verbally abusing, etc, a trans man is not doing "transandrophobia" because they do not perceive him as a man.

they perceive him as a woman failing at her gender, as a woman who has been seduced and lied to and manipulated because women are so easily led astray, just like it says in the bible. they perceive him as a woman who has been mutilated. they perceive him as a dyke that needs to be fixed. if they are hate-criming him because they *do* perceive him as a man, because he passes well enough they aren't thinking he could be trans, then they're doing so out of homophobia, perceiving him as a gay man, a pervert, a sissy, a danger to children. OR, they are being transphobic but specifically because they think he might be transfeminine instead. when cis society oppresses a trans woman, they are able to do it on multiple levels at once. She's a woman failing at her gender, a dyke that needs to be fixed. Or she's an evil and grotesque crossdressing pervert, a rude caricature, a danger to polite society. she will never be doing enough to escape oppression entirely, no matter if she gets every surgery she can and wears makeup every day and passes perfectly, because she lives under a patriarchy, and she's a woman, so she lives in a panopticon, and HAVING to get surgery and wear make-up to be respected IS oppression, especially if the alternative is being hate-crimed.

trans women (and trans men who pass) are not experiencing "transandrophobia" when a 'queer women and nbs" event turns them away at the door for being too masculine. they are. IN FACT!! experiencing the byproducts of misogyny in a patriarchy!!! where the terfs and coward cis women running those events and occupying those spaces have been taught (sometimes through experience, sometimes by men, sometimes by women) throughout life that men = stronger and more dangerous than women ALWAYS. That they need to protect themselves at all times and always be vigilant. That men and women can't be friends without sexual tension (and so as queer women the mere existence of what they perceive as a "man" is a threat). That women need a separate sports league because they can't possibly compete with someone who has even a little bit "extra" (an unquantifiable amount actually because there isn't a standard range) testosterone. That women should cook and men should fix cars. i promise you, i promise i promise i promise. it's misogyny. like!!! you don't say cis gay men experiences "androphobia", bc that's not a thing!! you sound like fucking mens rights activists guys please! you don't say a black man experiences "misandrynoir"!! because living in a patriarchy fundamentally means men do not experience oppression based on their gender. its not happening. shut the fuck up. stop walking us back to 2014 can we please take a step forward and stop bitching about this. there are genuine issues in the world and i'm frankly sick of people who should be smarter than that needing to be gently hand-held through this fucking explanation for the millionth time and still stomping their feet.

#cw transmisogyny #cw discourse #cw transphobia #longterm tme mutual pissed me the fuck off bye #everybody else gets to read this now #if you still don't get it idk maybe go stick your head down a toilet and flush #that might help #its so fucking simple stop drinking terf koolaid #if u are transmasc and have experienced transphobia i'm really sorry that happened to you. #and if calling it 'transandrophobia' makes u feel less dysphoric then whatever fine #but its not like. a systemic issue. #pls understand that #transmisogyny is a systemic issue we should be talking about. because misogyny is a systemic problem we have not yet solved. #i hope i never have to talk about this again #lmk if i should tag it as anything else #or if i've worded anything in a way that should be corrected

[psychotrenny]

Loooooool the trannies are fightinnnnng

talk about trans women threatening corrective rape towards lesbians. Now THAT is scary and happens constantly

Thank you for sending this in because it offers a perfect demonstration of Transmisogynistic nonsense in action. You notice how this anon took something that has been actually undeniably happening to trans women, something that's been happening for a long time and is part of a much larger systemic problem, and decided that due to our lack of humanity it simply isn't worth discussing. In fact they felt the need to reverse it, to make up some bullshit about how something horrible that is being done to us is in fact something that we are doing to other people.

Like what you're talking about just isn't a widespread problem; I'm sure you could track down some isolated incidents but the fact of that matter is that it's not happening constantly. You just made that up, expecting it to be credible simply based on the fact that it's common for transmisogynistic rhetoric to position Trans Women as innately predatory. And if enough people are saying it then suuuuuuurely it must be true. Sexual violence has nothing to do with structures of societal and interpersonal power, it's simply a matter of innate sexual depravity. And as trans women are nothing more than inhumanly sexual freaks, they are clearly some of the most depraved and therefore more sexually violent people around. And if these people really are such violent predators, than surely any accusation of sexual violence must be a credible one no matter how little basis it has in material reality. Like ignore the insane rates of sexual violence and abuse that trans women face, in fact ignore the very acts of sexual abuse that are being discussed right now. Everyone knows that by their innate nature no tranny can be a victim, or at least a victim that matters. The real problem is the abuses and violence that they commit; sure we just made them up, but those bullshit lies and hypotheticals have more value more than some subhuman tranny ever will

Like this sort of thinking is very widespread, but often in more implicit ways. It's relatively rare to see such open and direct examples of it, so this Ask really was very useful. If you want to actually get to me, maybe try a more subtle approach next time. This sort of shit is just laughable

#Stella Speaks #cw transmisogyny #cw rape mention

[aranock]

feminism has nothing to do with you, you are male. you are an oppressor in the system of male supremacy that feminism seeks to dismantle. it's not for you, and no amount of gender feelings can change that

Ignoring the blatant transmisogyny and misgendering for a second; TERFs don't even know the most basic elements of what feminism is. This is also why Im breaking my usual rule to ignore this stuff becauss its worth saying.

Feminism is for everyone, it has to be, because patriarchy oppresses everyone, and its privileges are completely conditional on gender performances which are to a degree self destructive. I am begging you weirdo creeps to go read Bell Hooks, particularly Will To Change. Also begging you to learn basically anything about biology more advanced than 2nd grade. Anyway Im going to go back to being a hot lesbian with my girlfriend and you can fix your heart or keep throwing tantrums about people who know more about feminism than you do.

Either way it wont change the fact that I am a woman, that I am not male and that I am oppressed for it. Hope you learn basically anything about the world someday ✌️

#cw transphobes #cw transphobia #cw transmisogyny

[nekropsii]

Love all of your opinions and analysis! If i may ask, whats by far the worst headcanon you have seen someone make? And also, whats an extremely underrated/overlooked part of homestuck?

Worst Headcanon is easily Transfem Cronus. The optics on that are so insanely bad it hurts. I typically don’t care what people do with Trans headcanons but… Really? Cronus? The guy whose main gimmick is “violently bigoted child predating serial sexual abuser who fakes being minorities for pity and attention”? Really? Fucking really? I’m sorry, any Trans headcanon with Cronus is going to be deeply offensive out of the gate, but looking at those traits and deciding that’s a Trans Woman is just… It’s just so bad. Jesus Christ.

I will avoid being typical by saying the Alpha Troll Openbounds, even though it’s ABSOLUTELY TRUE. Second place is Homosuck/Caliborn’s general character arc. That shit ruled. Caliborn is easily one of the best written characters in Homestuck. I love that guy. You should love him, too.

#thank you by the way!! #homestuck #alpha trolls #cherubs #cronus ampora #caliborn #cw transphobia #cw transmisogyny #nekro.sms

[madohomurat]

hatred of TERFs being memefied to the point where people cant even actually tell you what a TERF is or genuinely recognize real TERF rhetoric is so sick i hate the internet. youll go on etsy and buy a hat that says 'fuck TERFs' then turn around and silence and actual trans woman who tries to speak about the transmisogyny she faces. be for fucking real

#cy texts #cw transmisogyny

[gnc-culture-is]

Expressing my desire to dress as a mix of fem and masc with facial hair and a push up bra but being told not to by a friend and that id just be making trans women look bad

Damn, I hope you get better fuckin' friends. Having facial hair is just something you /have/. All people have it, if in different quantities, and it certainly doesn't make all trans women look bad for you to present in a way that makes you personally euphoric.

#cw transmisogyny #gnc culture is

[cutecipher]

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#cw transmisogyny

[aoifereal]

Don't like venting about this stuff normally but I'm very frustrated by this, so. I saw a transfem butch complaining online about how being misgendered for being butch and the comments were sucks and the comments are full of people effectively saying "that's just how it is for butches, what did you expect?".

That's so rude on so many levels. Do you think this trans butch doesn't know that people assumptions about gender? It's the same condescension that happens whenever a trans woman talks about women's issues, the same deep-rooted cissexism. People don't view trans women's womanhoods to be as real as cis womens womanhoods so they assume we can't possibly understand what it's like to have an experience a (in this case, butch) woman would have. It's the same logic that leads people to say "welcome to being a woman" as if a trans woman is not aware of misogyny and has not faced any real examples of it, despite trans women facing misogyny and transmisogny well before people start to acknowledge us as women.

Additionally, why do you think any trans person would need it explained to them that strangers will make gendered assumptions about you. That's our whole lives! I'm sure most trans butches had a more feminine phase (in the same way many cis butches conform to femininity for some time due to the extreme pressures placed on all women to) and even in those phases we are very aware of gendered assumptions! Because we have to be to stay safe in public!

In this same forum there's a post from a day ago where a (presumably cis, but what matters is that people will assume that because she didn't say) butch complains about the exact same thing and everyone in the comments is being nice to her and saying they understand and they're sorry that it sucks she's being misgendered. It's such naked transmisogny to immediately dismiss and condescend to a trans woman in a way that you do not do when you're talking to cis women.

One cis woman was going on and on about how some trans women find it nice when people are misogynistic towards them because it affirms their gender and why doesnt op just take a similar approach to butchphobia :). Now I do get the latter part of this a bit because I will say "it is because of my masculine lesbian swag" in my head when I get misgendered but it pisses me off when people suggest trans women like experiencing misogyny. Sometimes particularly early transition women joke about it because if you don't laugh you'll cry but facing misogyny isn't fun for anyone. Cis people fucking love this stuff though because it allows them to continue thinking of trans women as acceptable targets for misogyny.

Also full of people saying "you should just assert your womanhood when you get misgendered" which is crazy to me because it's dangerous for cis butches let alone transfem butches! That's insane advice to give someone and just shows you're checked out of reality. Women get killed over this shit dude. Or people not getting how misgendering is used as a patriarchal tool of control. Not understanding that a misgendering has a threat of violence behind it a significant portion of the time when you're a trans woman.

It's just all wild, and no listening to the several trans women trying to explain why the things they were saying were lacking in understanding. Very disappointing to see lesbians say this stuff.

#aoiferealposting #cw transmisogyny #cw transphobia #cw butchphobia

[chainmail-butch]

"I want to be appealing to my crush. So I tell him I’m not like that. I’m not angry all the time, much less armed. But internally, I’m thinking, of course trans girls all love and fuck each other. Who else will?

When I first learned the term brick for those square never-will-be-passable trans women, it was auxiliary to an explanation for another term, masonry: as in brick-on-brick love—only bricks get stuck to other bricks.

Except what do you do with the meanness of the word masonry itself? It was other trans women, the only ones that bricks could supposedly trust, who came up with that hilariously cruel slang.

Brick-on-brick betrayal. But we have to understand each other well to be so cruel."

I'm reading Infect Your Friends and Loved Ones and thinking thoughts

#Not a big fan of the term brick or the term masonry but I sure do understand them #not sure how to tag this #uh #cw transmisogyny

[nepenthean-sleep]

yknow there's really something about cishet women who go "uwu no WAY i'm such an ally i love lgbt people :)" and are fans of some white twinks from netflix or ship two anime boys or do kpop rpf for two boy band members or whatever, OR just talk about how much you love your gay man hairdresser or something, and then turn around and look at lesbians and trans women (and sometimes even queer men who don't fit the [white and/or east asian] "twink" mold) as creepy degenerate perverts that they "could never understand"

like yeah. we can smell the homophobia and transphobia off you from miles away. we can see your thinly-veiled disgust from the opposite side of the continent. your "allyship" is pathetic if it only includes those that you find sexually palatable or "similar enough" to yourself. does my armpit hair bother you, queen? do my short hair and boobs and cargo shorts threaten your understanding of society? happy pride you're such a great ally :)

honestly the same thing goes for transphobic wlw. i legitimately don't believe you for one second if you say how much you love butches or whatever and then turn around and say that trans women are "predatory" or "mocking womanhood" or "perverts" or something. you sound exactly like the above cishet women talking about lesbians.

#cishet men do this too (in reverse; look at the existence of 'lesbian' porn) #but this post is specifically about the intragroup misogyny of lesbophobia and transmisogyny #before anyone yells at me this wasnt in response to anything specific i saw online #this post is a callout to my mother and sister #'i love going to gay hairdressers' and 'gay men are so sweet' cut to #'ew why would you ever want to look like that' and 'i don't understand why some lesbian women pretend to be men' #and 'its just uncomfortable and i'll never understand it' #i am just going to stop bringing the subject (lgbt anything) up #i'm tired #happy pride month #cw transphobia #cw homophobia #cw transmisogyny #cw lesbophobia #cw sexism #neph.txt #nepenthe vent

[dragonstailbutch]

Do you think it would be beneficial to create another name for the more 'ftm/forcing to become a man' side of forcemasc? Tbh I really enjoy this approach but I understand your point. Maybe 'coerced manhood' would be more suitable?

i personally dont think itd be beneficial! i think trans men and forcemsc cnc and whatnot has it's place here, just as much as the positivity side so long as its labeled as such, yknow? im not excluding transmen here, nor am i excluding men period at all. There IS a place here for finding euphoria for masculinity here, for manhood or finding euphoria of becoming a man in your own terms, but that cant come at the price of excluding other people who are here too, cause its not just men

gender is fucky and sometimes people who arent transmen or even consider themselves a man in anyway still relate and like 'manhood' or use dude or bro or masculine terms for themselves.

i myself am a trans butch, transFEM butch. i specify transfem cause im amab butch but am in a different relationship with masculinity because i consider myself coming at it from being a women and yet im also gnc so theres no real term to my knowledge for myself that really fully explains my relationship and how i express myself

the whole "coerced" thing wasnt particularly the point of my previous post, it was just a part of it as the tag "forcemasc" itself was originally aimed at a wider audience. and the more recent tags that have been associated with have almost immediately brought it right back closer to being trans misogynistic, which is where forcemasc had originally been

my issues with the autogynephilia and autogynephile tags have been because of this, and especially with the recent upswing of just misogyny from transmen towards transwomen, its been hard to even look at my own tag.

Let me repeat that

its been hard to look at my OWN tag, for a community that i near CREATED because of this. if transmen want to take part in forcemasc positivity, you need to understand what the history and context of the words and tags you use are here. that using terms for people who dont like those terms and ask you not to use them for them isnt right or kind or fair.

im not trying to start a divide or arguments or even yell at the transmen that follow me. im disappointed, very much so, but WE are in this community together and you need to recognize this. if you wat to make separate tags like that, youre genuinely welcome too, but you ARE welcome here.

ill probably come back to this post and edit or reblog it, im not amzing with words and I can be vague or unclear even at the best of times, and im extremely adhdyslexic so im sure ive missedspelled words here and there and skipped words entirely. ive tried my best to make myself clear here, i dont want to exlude anyone at all

#tw transmisogyny #cw transmisogyny #forcemasc #force masc #force masc positivity #forcemasc positivity #transmasc positivity #t4t positivity #force masculinization #force masculinization positivity #butch positivity #t4t nsft #dragon speaks #the dragon speaks

[psychotrenny]

Not to downplay the devastating effects that online bigoted harassment can have, or to ignore how they are manifestations of broader and even more damaging systems of oppression, but some specific messages can use language that makes them impossible to take seriously. Like recently a mate showed me an anonymous message that contained a very nasty sentiment (basically that trans women aren't real women and t4t relationships are nothing but useless attempts to pretend otherwise) but it expressed this by using the phrase "huffing copium" and I could barely contain my laughter. Like it's a dumb thing to say in any situation but the specific context made it so much more ridiculous; acting like an authority on Lesbian relationships while using the language of a fucking channer. Like what's next are you gonna pwn t4t trans women by drawing them as a wojak?

The fact that this message started with "Trans women please start dating cis women" made it even funnier. Like it was coming from the world's most pathetic cis lesbian chaser, trying to "neg"* trans women into dating her or something. "Nooooo you trannies shouldn't date each other you need to date a real woman like me". Overall one of the most humiliating pieces of hatemail you could send

#*since we're already using the language of online reactionary dipshits I may as well continue #cw transmisogyny

[stonebutchwritings]

TUMBLR DELETED MY BLOG WHERE I DISCUSS TRANSMISOGYNY SKFOGKELXIGOSKXIF. i've only seen this happen one other time and it was when i made palestine activism blogs. like they just deleted it without even an email or warning or anything?! i made a blog to try and create a space for transmascs to discuss transmisogyny and :/ the sad thing is i had a lot of resources there! and now i have to like. re-do all of them.

#text #vent #cw transmisogyny #mine

[roachleakage]

Part of the problem surrounding this whole situation (predstrogen, the subsequent callouts about the Cohost founders) is that a lot of people don't make the distinction between "actual report of a person's abusive actions" and "sourceless claims of an intent to abuse based on little to no relevant evidence".

Don't get me wrong, accusations of sexual abuse toward trans women (and many other marginalized people) always deserve at least a little bit of scrutiny. You don't have to suspend your compassion or accuse someone of being a liar, but taking someone at face value isn't the same as taking them in good faith. Just don't ignore that they could be lying, pay attention to major warning signs to that effect, and don't rush into taking actions that could bring immediate or drastic harm to the alleged abuser.

But even with that in mind, a lot of the accusations I've seen people circulate don't even come CLOSE to firsthand victim reports. Instead, we have people being labeled as various types of predator for behaviors that include: being trans women, doing sex work, having squicky/uncomfortable kinks, being furries, being willing to engage in complex and potentially difficult conversations regarding taboo topics, and worst of all, more than one of these at the same time.

Here is the logic beside presenting these things as "proof": "This person doesn't exhibit the level of disgust or avoidance that I expect around sexual taboos, or does not fully understand the reason why some of them exist. If someone does not automatically and unconditionally accept and enforce a taboo, it must be because they want to engage in taboo actions, including ones that might cause harm. Therefore, this person is dangerous and a predator."

And yes, while I only brought them up directly in the entry about discussions, every single thing I listed is a sexual taboo. Even when, as is the case with kinks, furries, and being a trans woman, they may have little or nothing to do with actual sex. By and large, this is because whenever a person exhibits ANY unexplained desires or behaviors, the default assumption is that they must be "a sex thing". Which is just another way of saying "my tastes represent the human default, yours are irrational, superfluous, and yucky."

And that's how it works. "That thing you're doing is strange > that thing you're doing is sexual > you're obsessed with sexually deviant behaviors > you are a sexual predator."

Trans women get a double dose of this, because they're not just transgender, they are also women - who are viewed as inherently sexual for plain ol' misogyny reasons. But while women of relative* privilege exist in a rotating superposition of being innocent recipients with no sexual agency, and devious seductresses out to ruin men's lives, trans women (and many nonwhite cis women) are permanently trapped in the role of seductress, because their very womanhood is taboo.

The reason I'm taking the time to bring all of this up because any one of these beliefs is enough to secure your participation in this system. For example, you might not believe consciously that being a trans woman makes someone a predator, but if she violates some other taboo, even in a completely innocent manner, you end up sliding right on down the chain to "clearly this trans woman is, though". Plus, you probably unconsciously associate trans women with predation, and while you know consciously that's a transmisogynist belief, the recognition of "evidence" still taps into that hidden bias to make the conclusion feel more solid and reasonable than it actually is.

And so all of this needs to be challenged. Challenge your assumption that "freak" is the same as "threat", that your beliefs and preferences are universal and require deliberate and malicious intent to divert from. Pay careful attention to what kind of evidence you're being shown. Keep a wary eye out for emotionally-loaded language designed to influence how you read a situation - e.g. describing some behavior as "disgusting" or "pedophilic" before you've even had the chance to see what the person did. Be careful and patient with the information you've been sent, and above all, remember that peer-to-peer rumormongering is not equal to an actual victim's testimony. It should always be taken with an immediate grain of salt, and examined carefully before you recirculate it or take other action.

*Within the scope of "being women, and therefore obviously affected by misogyny".

#cw transmisogyny #transmisogyny #predstrogen #purity culture #protect trans women

[madohomurat]

"im attracted to all types of bodies but only romantically interested in women, so thats why i call myself a bi/pan lesbian"

all that says to me is that you define lesbianism as something that inherently excludes specific body types. which is lesbophobia. its so clear to me that you define lesbian as "doesnt like dick" which is an idea hailed and celebrated by radfems.

call yourself what you want but the implication is there and you cant run away from that. you can admit you dont think the word "lesbian" in of itself is inclusive of trans bodies, and then you can sit down and have that epiphany of why youve been accused of lesbophobia, lol

#cy texts #cw transmisogyny #cw lesbophobia #discourse bullshit sorry

[faint-petrichor]

the amount of fucking potshots people regularly make about trans women has become egregious as a consequence of our hypervisibility. the way I have to put up with jokes about our looks or us being hysterical or how we're all tech bros in denial or how we're told we have pathological delusions because we don't go outside or whatever as if there's no material reason for any of it. we're always the aggressor and never spared an ounce of compassion, innocence or grace. and when we're angry and jaded we just prove you right and that's the end of it. I'm so tired. I have worked so hard for so long to be better than the person I am often perceived as and it's never enough, and I know I am far from alone in this experience

#azazaza #cw transmisogyny #vent