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#cw: lesbophobia
findingoblivion · 28 days
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It's really funny that @staff says they're going to do better about their moderation and harassment policies, but I've reported 20+ posts of the #radblr tag and not one of them has been actioned after 2 weeks. It's really funny that @ basedjack can still exist after weeks of mocking and harassing trans users and LGBT users and make our tags unreadable but they're still up and still doing the exact same things. Meanwhile the trans people in their asks and mentions? Gone, gone, gone.
This site is a pathetic fucking joke.
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PROPAGANDA
BUMBLE (WARRIOR CATS) (CW: Domestic Abuse)
1.) Back with another Warriors submission, I bet you’ll be getting a lot from other people too LMAO. Bumble is a kittypet (housecat) who befriends the male protagonist Gray Wing’s girlfriend, Turtle Tail, and lets her stay in her house. This gets Gray Wing all pissy because he’s controlling of Turtle Tail and shares most of the wild/clan cat’s proclivity for looking down upon kittypets. Turtle Tail gets pregnant by another kittypet, Tom, who tries to control her by hiding the fact that humans take away kittens after they’re born. Eventually Bumble comes clean about it so Turtle Tail returns to the forest. Some time later, Bumble is found in the forest seeking refuge because Tom has been physically abusing her, scratching her where the humans can’t see. So, she’s CANONICALLY ACKNOWLEDGED as a domestic abuse victim (unlike Squirrelflight who meets all the textbook signs but the narrative and authors deny it). How do you think our good guy protagonists, i.e. Gray Wing “The Wise” and Turtle Tail, respond to an abuse victim seeking refuge? They tell Bumble to go home, thinking to themselves that she’s fat and soft and therefore would be useless in their group. Bumble stands up for herself and asks to speak with the leaders of the group. One of them asks if Bumble could just get along with Tom better (bro???) and when Bumble says it’s not within her control, the leader suggests being nicer to the humans instead. Another rival leader butts in and verbally abuses Bumble again by ripping into how fat and lazy and useless she would be. Despite Turtle Tail having been friends with Bumble and Bumble had helped her through her own hard times, to Gray Wing’s approval Turtle Tail chooses not to intervene as Bumble is forcibly escorted back to her abuser. But that’s not all. Later Bumble is found in the forest maimed and dying, and it seems likely that Gray Wing’s brother Clear Sky, a male with a long history of violence, is the culprit. Rather than mourn the dying innocent cat, Gray Wing’s primary concern is how other cats might be mean to Clear Sky if they think he’s a murderer, and reassures himself that refusing to help Bumble in her time of need was still the right decision.
2.) I have no idea how she managed to be written so horrifically from an abuse victim and woman (/she-cat I guess) standpoint but here we are. Okay so my memory is a bit fuzzy but basically Bumble was a character in Dawn of the Clans and a close friend to Turtle Tail, a major character, as well as a character who lived close to Tom, an abusive dickhead of a cat. Bumble was largely depicted as just a really sweet cat. Turtle Tail was very briefly the mate of Turtle Tail, but once she got pregnant, he became super violent towards both her and our gal Bumble. Tom actively hid the fact that, once her kits were old enough, Turtle Tail’s kits would probably be taken from her, and made Bumble keep quiet about this too, but Bumble eventually told Turtle Tail the truth, Turtle Tail left and Tom became extremely violent towards Bumble because of this, and was extremely abusive towards her. Eventually, Bumble ran away from him to where Turtle Tail and co were and begged to stay, since the wilderness as a whole was genuinely more safe than being around Tom was. Naturally, this meant kitty xenophobia from cats who had only arrived in that area recently, because everybody was insistent than, since she was a kittypet/house cat, things wouldn’t work out, and even her friend Turtle Tail denied her on this, insisted she was too soft to live in the wild and only sent her towards a cat Bumble wanted to convince because she was absolutely certain she’d be denied. Also our good old protagonist Gray Wing got to spend this scene being all upset about this soft cat wanting to join them to escape an abuser and was all bitter about the fact that Turtle Tail lived with her for a short period of time, and he also got to have a sweet romantic moment with Turtle Tail after denying an abuse victim an escape from her abuser. Also as much as I like Tall Shadow usually she sucked ass in the following scene because she was essentially telling Bumble to go find a way to make peace with Tom as if she was not the one being abused (Bumble pointed out that Tom was the one who would need to make peace for it to happen, not her) and that she should just make life better by going back to being a housecat and being spoiled despite the fact that she was actively at risk with her owners because of Tom. Then she leaves after being threatened by several cats there and is called soft on the way out. The next time she appears she is literally dying, and her death is just a plot device to create a stupid little mystery which is solved in a very stupid way. Also her abuser does continue to be a shithead and for some reason is fully permitted to kidnap his own children but he also gets a heroic death and the only reason I will not rant more about him is because this is too long already. Long story short Bumble deserves the world and everybody who decided not to let her escape her abuser just because they thought she was soft sucks
3.) Is nice to the group of starving, feral wild cats that left the mountains so their friends and family could have more food to eat and befriends one of them to the point of opening her home to her after she leaves the group because the guy she likes is too dumb to notice she likes him and keeps falling for his brother’s love interests.
Unfortunately, because Bumble is a house cat who lives in a house with people and not a Wild and Free cat, this is a grave and horrible crime (luring a wild cat into the safety and comforts of domesticity) and is villainized for the rest of the arc, including for things wildly out of her control
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Her owners taking in an aggressive male cat that bullies and abuses the two female cats already living there
When Bumble’s friend leaves and goes back to the wild cats, Bumble leaves her home (as the abuse as has gotten worse) to see if she could either get help or have her friend return so the abuse isn’t as bad again)
Bumble eventually dies in the wild because the feral cats all hate her for ‘stealing’ their friend and tricking her into becoming a kittypet for awhile and refuse to help Bumble adjust to wild life or even teaching her how to hunt.
They are littl e to no hard feelings at her death beyond ‘good riddance’ but the aggressive tomcat that chased her out of her home is later regarded with good feelings and regret at such a 'good, heroic cat’ passing when he dies despite him literally never doing a good or kind thing in his life and actually causing trouble for the wild cats right before dying
IRENE ADLER (BBC SHERLOCK) (CW: Lesbophobia)
1.) Ooh, she’s a woman, so she got to be sexy seductive sultry sexy lady! And in love with the male protagonist even though she’s gay. She got so nerfed compared to her short story version! She doesn’t outwit Holmes like she does in the book, she gets saved by him and she’s gotta be in looooove.
2.) awesome woman who outsmarts Sherlock holmes in the books turned into a lesbian dominatrix that mysteriously falls in love with Sherlock and gets outsmarted then rescued by him
3.) I don’t mind the sex worker thing; it’s a reasonable cultural translation decision in my book. But the character’s defining trait in the original story is that she beats Sherlock Holmes, and the BBC Sherlock creators were plainly too in love with their genius to let that pass. And the way she loses? She lets her emotions get the better of her in the end while he’s too rational to show such a womanly human weakness. Barf.
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battybiologist · 4 months
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James Somerton is a misogynist piece of shit, but the way he speaks about lesbians is an infuriating betrayal of the queer community.
Legally, lesbians were and are treated on the same level of bad as gay men. Gay panic doesn't and has never excluded them, same as convertion therapy, same as anti-sodomy laws, same as police brutality, and many more I could mention.
And socially? Women as a whole are already persecuted, so add homophobia to the mix, and I doubt that'd lead to less discrimination than what gay men suffer from. And that's not even getting into how shittily trans lesbians are treated
But frankly, we all know why he said that. The section where he misgenders Nate Stevenson and Rebecca Sugar and throws them under the bus really says it all: it's because, in his fucked up mind twisted by misogyny, there was more "lesbian representation" in media.
The kind of representation where they're demonized, dehumanized, and erased, where their deaths and hardships are treated shallowly and without a hundredth of the compassion spared for their straight leads, where they're fetishized and objectified for the sole eyes of straight men, sometimes all of the above at the same time.
Fuck this guy.
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punkeropercyjackson · 1 month
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A rdfem post got recommended to me because apperantly i hadn't been careful enough(at least i got a free blocklist out of it)and the very first line was so out of pocket stupid even by t/erf standards-Their idea of 'women forcing themselves to be presentable' was fucking acrylic nails.Obviously this is stupid period but acrylics are a fashion statement that was created by and continued and mostly influenced by to this day by BLACK WOMEN.It's a way of expressing ourselves,an art even,it's NEVER been about fitting into men's standards and in fact that's always been the opposite intended effect!!They're about what makes US happy,not anybody else
And that's just the thing rdfam always do-They make everything about men and their hatred of woc,black women especially and EVEN MORE SO TRANS women.It's never been about liberating women,it's about policing us.We can't be kiddy and pastel and bubbly and chaotic and indie and hopeless romantics who want to get the princess treatment,we're doing it for men 'even if we don't know it'(an actual thing one of them said to me on my post explaining that my brand of femininity comes from my kind of autism and their idea of 'real womanhood' was The Handmaiden and i WISH i was a kidding)and as if lesbians and aroace women who're like me in this aspect don't exist and they do and three of them are close friends of mine and have also talked about bullshit this is-And yes,all three of them are also woc,one pakistani and two black
And apperantly,we can't be edgy and rowdy and cocky and bitter and blunt and alt and and butch and uninterested in actively pursuing romance either because then we're 'too much like men and not really women so we might as well stop calling ourselves ones'.If we have brown skin or heavy body hair or big noses or other dark and strong features,we have 'biological faults' or whatever the fuck and they brag about hating men until someone realizes they're not a man but a woman and wanna physically and socially transition to feel like one to their full happiness they want them to be men instead.They sexually harras people,they invalidate mspec women for loving men AND lesbians for not liking women 'correctly' according to them because they love nonbinary women and transfems AND rentlessly mock aroace women for not feeling attraction by calling them losers and they don't even draw the line at kids.They use all kinds of slurs and ableist rethoric and are exactly two tippy toes steps away from being t/radwives
Nobody's more obsessed with ruining womanhood than rdfems except chauvinists and even then,they're just another variant of them that happen to have less political power.You're not an ancient greek goddess in women's history,you're grown ass women obsessed with genitals and gaslighting vulnerable young girls into your minions.You know nothing about girlhood and you won't learn until you get all those boots out of your mouths you're choking so hard on you can't speak anything but bullshit
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nepenthean-sleep · 8 days
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going into irl queer spaces or the internet dot com reading people say shit like oh my bad im sorry i forgot butches and studs and masc wlw are people and are more than either "soft uwu sapphic protective head empty golden retriever girlboyfriend" or "big long strap daddy aggressive himbo dom top fuckboi"
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jasontoddssuper · 7 months
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I've never met any fandom as obsessed with making racist white characters into 'the REAL victims' and creating personalities out of their nothingness as the Harry Potter/Marauder's Era one.They convinced themselves that the faction who are a metaphor for n*zis(Slytherins)are 'discriminated against for being ambitious' when the reason everyone hates them is that they're bigots and bullies towards minorities and when there's exactly one canon poc amongst them.And now,because they're selfish enough to betray their trans siblings and jewish people and disabled people and like every other opressesd group in existence for their own nostalgia,they've turned the ones who never even appeared onpage into their 'unproblematic blorbos' because they're THAT desperate for white faves.It's just plain weird really
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genderoutlaws · 2 years
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A Random Sampling of Butches: Eight Questions Asked of Ten Butch Women by Lily Burana -> 5/5
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sisteroutsiders · 9 months
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All too often the message comes loud and clear to Black women from Black men: “I am the only prize worth having and there are not too many of me, and remember, I can always go elsewhere. So if you want me, you’d better stay in your place which is away from one another, or I will call you ‘lesbian’ and wipe you out.” Black women are programmed to define ourselves within this male attention and to compete with each other for it rather than to recognize and move upon our common interests.
Audre Lorde, from “Scratching the Surface: Some Notes on Barriers to Women and Loving,” as published in Sister Outsider (1983)
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hibiscus02 · 10 months
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I just read Legoland and I decided to compile some helpful tidbits about Penny's character, for all your fanfic writer needs!
If you want to write RTC fanfic using her canon personality and backstory, this is the place for you. I apologize if someone has done something similar!
•Let's start with her basic introduction in the play;
"PENNY is a young woman wearing French braids and a private school uniform; she has a bright smile." "PENNY: Hello. My name is Penny Lamb, and I am an aspiring animal conservationist." "PENNY speaks at an incredible speed, being an immensely nervous and self-conscious teenager. She literally trips over her words -- a volcano of passion and eloquence."
Now I'll give you some backstory and character info without getting into Legoland's plot. This is so people who don't have an interest in the story itself can still grasp the basics of Penny's character.
Both Penny and her little brother (Ezra) were homeschooled. They grew up on the Elysium Community Farm, just outside of Uranium City.
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When Penny turned 13, she was already getting "itchy" to see the outside world (kids were not allowed to leave Elysium until they turned 16). She thought she knew what to expect after reading 'Anne of Green Gables'.
The Lambs snuck out to a Walmart and found out it was very different from what they thought it would be. They tried to strike up conversations with people but everyone seemed weirded out by them (they snuck out several times to try and "strike up friendly chats")
Eventually the manager called the police who drove them home. That's when "all that trouble happened"
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Penny's parents got 15 years in prison for cultivation and trafficking of narcotics. Her and Erza were sent to Saint Cassian Catholic School (which as I'm sure you all know is the same school that the choir members attend, obviously, since Uranium City isn't big enough to have more than one school). It is stated to be a boarding school in this so that's some extra lore for us I guess.
"PENNY: The instant I see the boys staring at me like gaping fish with their heads cut off… and the girls looking at me with those Queen of England smiles… Oh, little Penny wasn’t in Kansas anymore… Uh-uh… I was sent to the charred black bowels of everlasting Hell!"
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Despite her homeschooling education Penny is actually very smart, but the values taught to her don't really go over well with a catholic school system. She also likes to use 'big words'.
Penny gets sent to the school psychiatrist, and allegedly diagnosed as Bipolar and manic depressive (to me it seemed implied that the psychiatrist was a crook, but maybe I'm reading too much into it. Do with this information what you will).
She does go through a depressive episode though, or what sure looks like one; "PENNY: Like, sleeping in my room all day… tearing my hair and throwing up, kind of suicidal and depressed and everything… So, one day a bunch of girls were setting fire to my school bag -- second time that week -- and I wasn’t even crying anymore… because, you get to a point… when you’re waaaay beyond crying."
Penny can play the ukulele and she also composes songs (or, she writes at least one during the play, but y'know)
She seems to be very against cussing, just as much as Ocean is, and reprimands Ezra whenever he cusses throughout the play.
Penny is a pescetarian.
She goes on this insane cross-country trip with her brother to the US, and whenever they get to a new state she always recites how many endangered species they have there. I just thought this was cute, and very Jane-like.
So yeah, without getting too much into it, Penny throws hot coffee on this guy and uhhh, bites him? Apparently? The assault charges get dropped and she gets extradited back to Canada, but the story was leaked to the media and she was famous for a little bit.
The way Penny and Ezra got money to travel to the US in the first place was by selling his ADHD prescription meds, so she goes to trial for drug dealing, and gets probation (they don't specify how long she's on probation for in the play).
At the very end of the script, Penny states she'd like to say something about true love. I wanted to include part of what she said because it's quite lovely (and oh y'all can make so much fanfic with this); "In a world where we are ultimately alone, and die in our own arms, love is the closest you come to another person… because it is the closest you come to being another person. So be very careful what you love."
*this quote is apparently also in some versions of rtc, I assume as an easter egg of sorts.
Sorry this is so long. I love Penny Lamb a lot and I also think she's insane <3
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miharuhebinata · 24 days
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i don't usually do stuff like this, but i really need you guys to see this insanely lesbophobic (and frankly just bizarre) shit i saw on twitter the other day.
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comparing lesbians to blair white(?????). describing it as an "upgrade" to go from labeling yourself lesbian to pansexual. oh but it only gets worse!
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what the fuck is this logic??? this literally doesn't make any sense. if you were under the impression that your partner was a woman for the duration of your relationship, them coming out doesn't just negate the fact that, up until that point, you thought you were in a relationship with a woman?????? but whatever, anything to call lesbians cunts i guess
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this was a whole separate tweet, not part of the thread (that i only saw when i went to check their age. they're 22 btw) but???? what is with the airquotes around transbian
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"lesbians, pleaseeeee just accept that you actually do like men"
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oop! and there it is. 😐
no but seriously, when was "you shouldn't act like you were tricked or deceived" ever a part of the conversation. and also, if lesbians can date men, then what the fuck was this whole meltdown about in the first place??? why did you say you would need to "upgrade" to pan if your partner comes out as a trans man?????
mspec lesbians & their supporters have fucking rocks for brains.
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lesbian-archives · 2 years
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Living Through the Lens: Ryerson Student Captures the Lives of South African Lesbians in Her Work , 2008
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butchladymaria · 10 months
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spotting lesbophobia in fan spaces 101: a nonexhaustive list by an exhausted lesbian
this is a quick post i’m making in hopes of helping allies who might not know what to look out for when it comes to lesbophobia in fan spaces. others are welcome to add on — this is a subject way too broad and complex to cover in one post.
1. demonizing lesbians & lesbian characters
stating that lesbian headcanons are being forced on everyone else solely because they exist or are popular.
arguing that lesbian characters/headcanons existing somehow precludes all others (i.e. “oh so you’re saying just because a character is X, they HAVE to be a lesbian and no one else can be X!?!?”)
using “mean lesbian” stereotypes to demonize lesbians when they exist in fan spaces and/or discuss lesbophobia
playing the victim when people discuss lesbophobia
2. stating that there’s a “wrong” way to have lesbian headcanons
claiming that lesbian characters/headcanons don’t “make sense”
claiming that a lesbian character COULD still want to sleep with men, therefore the canon/headcanon is bad or wrong
gold star lesbophobic rhetoric (i.e. well they dated/had a crush on/looked at a man one (1) time so you CAN’T say they could be a lesbian!!!, or claiming that comphet doesn’t exist)
saying that a character “can’t” be a lesbian in general — unless the character is canonically another flavor of LGBTQ+ which can be erasure in some cases — there’s no reason they can’t be. they’re not real.
3. equating lesbians to men or man-haters
claiming the only reason lesbian characters/headcanons exist is because of “man-hating”
equating butch-femme dynamics with heterosexual relationships
equating lesbian attraction to heterosexual men’s attraction
claiming lesbian characters/headcanons are predatory solely for existing
4. diminishing the presence of lesbophobia in fan spaces
saying lesbians are being irrational or toxic when they discuss lesbophobia
claiming “fandom isn’t activism” means that lesbophobia or other bigotry cannot exist or don’t matter in fan spaces
claiming that lesbians are at fault for the bigotry they face by taking up space in fandom (i.e. “maybe if the lesbians weren’t so mean/loud/annoying/rude people wouldn’t hate on them/their characters/their headcanons so much!!!”)
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madohomurat · 4 months
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"im attracted to all types of bodies but only romantically interested in women, so thats why i call myself a bi/pan lesbian"
all that says to me is that you define lesbianism as something that inherently excludes specific body types. which is lesbophobia. its so clear to me that you define lesbian as "doesnt like dick" which is an idea hailed and celebrated by radfems.
call yourself what you want but the implication is there and you cant run away from that. you can admit you dont think the word "lesbian" in of itself is inclusive of trans bodies, and then you can sit down and have that epiphany of why youve been accused of lesbophobia, lol
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punkeropercyjackson · 2 months
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When transandrophobia dudebros say the most blatantly and often even violently misogynistic shit yet claim they still have 'female experiences' and 'a right to speak on women's issues as much as women do'...............Yeah no,you're 100% a man and this is an affirmation,a reminder and an insult
@thisismisogynoir
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nepenthean-sleep · 10 months
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yknow there's really something about cishet women who go "uwu no WAY i'm such an ally i love lgbt people :)" and are fans of some white twinks from netflix or ship two anime boys or do kpop rpf for two boy band members or whatever, OR just talk about how much you love your gay man hairdresser or something, and then turn around and look at lesbians and trans women (and sometimes even queer men who don't fit the [white and/or east asian] "twink" mold) as creepy degenerate perverts that they "could never understand"
like yeah. we can smell the homophobia and transphobia off you from miles away. we can see your thinly-veiled disgust from the opposite side of the continent. your "allyship" is pathetic if it only includes those that you find sexually palatable or "similar enough" to yourself. does my armpit hair bother you, queen? do my short hair and boobs and cargo shorts threaten your understanding of society? happy pride you're such a great ally :)
honestly the same thing goes for transphobic wlw. i legitimately don't believe you for one second if you say how much you love butches or whatever and then turn around and say that trans women are "predatory" or "mocking womanhood" or "perverts" or something. you sound exactly like the above cishet women talking about lesbians.
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elysianmadness · 29 days
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funny how you suddenly care about men harassing lesbians when you're the lesbian being harassed by men. but when other lesbians speak out against mspec "lesbians", you're suddenly jumping to defend them :)
Yes because I actually think we should blame the men harassing us instead of targeting and harassing innocent lesbians who did nothing but use a multifaceted label in a different way from you. Hope this helps! :)
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