#cycle of racism

[mxfrodo]

y'all for fucking real. don't fucking write slave fics or x reader fics of aventurine's slavery??? are you guys out of your goddamn minds???

#i swear half of you don't fucking think. #what makes you think it's okay or “angsty” to write fics about suffering like that #especially without nuance?? or any understanding of the ramifications #its one thing to write about it being integrated into his past #but it's another thing to write it as an *in the moment* thing #especially if you're writing it to portray him being bought again -- who gives a shit if the reader “saves” him or “treats him nicely” #that's still a perpetuation of the cycle of abuses #like it's still already brain dead of hoyoverse to write about the suffering of POC by using a fair skinned blonde man #but come on #i thought we were better than this?? #like yeahh #dont get me wrong - i love aventurine and his development. the writing is amazing despite how bad form using very white features #to portray a real race of color and it's suffering (the romani) #but you guys. come the fuck on #hsr aventurine #aventurine honkai star rail #aventurine x reader #honkai star rail #hsr #hsr x reader #i know it's “NOT THAT SEROUS” because it's a fictional game but im still putting tags for racism and slavery bro. wtf y'all #tw racism #tw slavery #random talk

[eff-plays]

Actually, no, I disagree. Astarion has his reasons for many things he thinks and disapproves of, but some of them are just ... He doesn't like it when people are nice. He actively likes cruelty. Those are both true.

And yeah, you get why. He's well-written and his motivations are understandable! You can have a lot of very long and sad meta posts about how he thinks cruelty is natural and kindness is fake, but that doesn't remove his joy at cruelty and his distaste for kindness. Those things are still true. He can get better, yes. He does get better if you encourage him to. But he starts out as an absolute jackass.

Stop woobifying him fr. He's a piece of shit, even if he's a well-written one. Just because you understand him doesn't mean he's right or somehow the only sane person in the group. Cruelty is not intelligence, kindness is not a weakness. xoxo <3

#bg3 #like hiraeth understands and respects his need for having his own opinions and his right to be heard and listened to #doesn't mean he's correct somehow or that he's owed obedience or even consideration #like if you suggest killing gnomes for shits and giggles that's like on you bud #that's racism i don't think cazador taught you that<3 #astarion #baldur's gate 3 #like yes he is very damaged and a lot of his attitude comes from that!!! very much so!! #but many of the other companions are deeply damaged as well but they still have it in them to be kind #so i don't think we need to excuse everything unsavory he does with trauma and remove all his agency in perpetuating the cycle #that's what leads you to ascendant astarion #like some of those things are choices my dude

[finalgirlsamwinchester]

Alex Irvine, "John Winchester's Journal" | 3.07, "Fresh Blood"

#got up to the entry in john's journal where baby sam kills a deer for dean and this scene was all i could think of........ #i worked on this TOO long not to post it even if it's UGLY 💀 #i miss owning photoshop. #sam winchester #dean winchester #sam winchester edit #spn 3x07 #i have such mixed feelings abt this scene lol. on one hand. the cycle of hunting/violence coming full circle btw sam and gordon #the blurring of categories btw predator/prey/hunter/hunted in john's entry AND in this arc's conclusion #but on the other hand. spn's obliviousness to its own racism and racist subtext #“I taught them everything should be seen as a threat” gives me chills! the conservative hardline thinking at the root of hunting #rip gordon you were genuinely one of my fave antagonists... #j.edit

[tell-them-the-north-remembers]

Daeron the Good ended the deeply troubling tradition of grooming children into incest. He was a good father to his children. He challenged his own shitty father's crazy schemes. He wed a Dornish princess whom he was a good husband to and did his best to get rid of the anti-Dornish sentiment in the Seven Kingdoms at the time. He kept wise and capable men around to advise him. He treated his bastard half-siblings with respect he didn't even owe them. He did what no Targaryen king before, including Aegon the Conqueror could and brought Dorne into the Seven Kingdoms, not by bloodshed but by diplomacy. He put down a massive rebellion. For 25 years he was king and the realm prospered under his rule. People literally remembered him as "the good".

But sure, Daemon Blackfyre should have been king because he had a cool sword and was a "True Targaryen". Because being a Targaryen king means being a bloodthirsty tyrant who mistreats the people around him and takes only his desires into account when making a move that will affect the lives of thousands. Daeron did everything just right, like no king has done before but still he is glossed over or worse, antagonized because he was simply not "cool enough".

King Daeron II cared, and to some people that is apparently boring.

#i can talk all day about how we don't appreciate daeron ii nearly enough for all he has done #everyone is like “omg targ men are abusive to their wives and children and don't care about the smallfolk” #but when one of them does they go “nah i like the bloodthirsty entitled maniac better” #daeron the good fucking challenged systematic racism in westeros #like come on him being criticized for bringing “dirty Dornishmen” into his court and treating them decently #guess what he also broke the incestuous cycle of abuse until jaehaerys ii and shaera ruined it #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #hotd #house of the dragon #because fucking targaryens #house Targaryen #daeron ii targaryen #mariah martell #aegon iv targaryen #aegon the conqueror #daemon blackfyre #blackfyre rebellion #game of thrones #got

[sorcerous-caress]

Astarion might be cool with sharing but he'd throw the most petty tantrum if he finds out it's a gnome you want to add to your relationship.

#you might take the high elf out of the cycle of rebirth but you many never take the gnome racism out of the high elf #doesn't help the fact I was genuinely honest to god ready to drop Astarion for Barcus Wroot at any given moment if he gave me a chance #he's not pro slavery in the underdark forge he is just very very anti gnomes #♡Astarion slander #gnome Tavs x Astarion are the only ever valid Astarion ship you can't change my mind #gnomeTavSweep

[groove-on-boogie-down]

Moses Ingram, who plays the inquisitor Reva Sevander, aka the third sister in Obi-wan Kenobi, just posted on her Instagram story about the racist, hateful messages she’s been getting in her DMs.

Mind you, we’re only two episodes in.

She doesn’t deserve this. Especially not from the fandom that is supposedly so “welcoming” and “loving.”

But this is the pattern we always see. Over and over again.

They did this with Ahmed Best, John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran. They keep doing this.

Welcoming is a myth. I’m sick of it. I’m glad she’s exposing this, but Star Wars needs to do better calling this out. This shouldn’t be her responsibility.

They need to protect their actors of color. But it’s sad that I don’t expect them to.

#like the show has been out for 5 days #fans talk down on people who did this to the actors of the prequels yet continue the cycle. #In theory they also did it with Hayden and Ewan but that was years ago without social media. #and they’re white #now everyone loves them #racism in star wars #obi wan kenobi #reva #reva sevander #inquisitor reva #kenobi #moses ingram #ewan mcgregor #third sister #hayden christensen

[soldier-poet-king]

CAN WE PLEASE GIVE A BITCH A BREAK

Soup making is cancelled AND I might have to spend the holidays in fuck all nowhere with my father's family who I cannot stand at all with absolutely no place to escape to so I will be in this tiny homestead in the middle of nowhere in winter for a WEEK with ppl who I actively dislike and with nothing to do and where the food is fuckin terrible and I have to deal with all their shitty drama, 99% of which is self inflicted bc these ppl are stupid and fit every single awful rural stereotype you can imagine, AND maybe my cousin is dying which I should probably feel worse about than I do, but I don't, I'm mad and selfish, which isn't her fault, but it IS the fault of everyone around her and I'm barely hanging on as it is, if I have to spend the ONLY time off work I get all year there???? I am going to fuckin ***

Like call me selfish for not wanting to spend my only time off work in a small uncomfortable house with someone actively dying in the spare room + all the usual drama this stupid fuckin family entails like. I barely KNOW these ppl. I know them just enough to know I dislike them and we have absolutely nothing in common. Half siblings and remarriages mean were barely even generically family and I certainly haven't chosen them as family. Let alone being there in winter when it's so fuckin rural and cold I can't even go on a walk in the seven billion feet of snow. There is literally nothing to do but sit and play nice with relatives I actively dislike. All day. Everyday. And I was maybe supposed to be catsitting over Christmas which meant I'd actually get to REST. ALONE. And only make appearances on Christmas day itself at family events. And otherwise. Be FREE for the first Christmas break ever in my life.

SCREAMS.. it's not definitive yet but it is not. Looking good. And obvs I should be more concerned about ppl dying but also like. I LITERALLY BARELY KNOW HER. She is more a stranger to me than my former classmates and co-workers. a handful of summer visits in childhood and a language barrier does not a close relationship make. I'm more selfishly worried about having to deal with my FATHER'S emotional bullshit because he is always SO bad about emotional maturity and responsibility when it comes to his family. Not my family. HIS.

#the duality of fran #YES I HATE MY FATHERS FAMILY #take every single rural white trash french canadian stereotype u know #and multiply it by a thousand #THEY ARE SO SELFISH. AND CAUSE THEIR OWN PROBLEMS. AND NEGLECT THEIR CHILDREN. #and it just perpetuates this ENDLESS CYCLE #and theyre SO JUDGY OF ME TOO MY FACE for being single #not to mention the overt casual racism and homophobis

[ladyluscinia]

I've already expressed that I think people who read Izzy as a clearly racist / homophobic villain are setting themselves up for disappointment - doubly so if they are throwing around "irredeemable" or expecting he'll be harshly punished somehow - because the show is simply... not that kind of show.

But I've also decided they are just plain missing out on good writing.

Just in general, do you know what standard straight romcom couples pretty much never have to deal with? Extreme bigotry as a major obstacle to their relationship. It's not a normal thing to, say, set up an interracial couple and then have one particular character constantly around spouting segregation era views because that's a slap in the face you don't need in a romcom. If a story does go that way it's pretty much exclusively a brief, "oh shit did they just go there?" moment, kills the lighthearted tone immediately, and leads directly to a huge climactic explosion because, again, slap in the face.

So why should Stede and Edward have to face seasons of explicit homophobia and racism (without even a cathartic explosion up front) for the crime of being a non-standard romcom couple? They shouldn't! Canon gay couples deserve to get the romance and the lighthearted tone without having to run through a required Homophobia Exists obstacle course. At the same time, though, that can be kinda difficult writing-wise because homophobia does exist.

And the OFMD writers were actually really fucking smart about it!

Like, as people have pointed out around Izzy, any character being hostile to a gay couple is going to ping homophobia radars, because in reality that is a likely explanation. Same for insulting gay characters based on their appearance or manner (so... the basis of most insults?). This means you probably can't just copy the obstacle characters from a straight romcom and play them out the same way - they would just read as homophobic without ever saying it out loud - but also you need obstacle characters for a lot of the romcom beats. So instead of doing that, they wrote Izzy reasons for his behavior that make sense.

Setting up one of Stede's primary character flaws (and a major theme of the show) as his unconscious class privilege, and then dropping in an aggressively working class guy as the main onscreen antagonist? That's brilliant. Izzy can insult and despise his clothes, his manners, his very existence in the world, and not only does it work, but it's also sympathetic and fixable and crucially based on a real flaw of Stede's. Making him hate Stede for something Stede has actually "done wrong" makes it more difficult to slip into a mindset where a neutral reason (like finding him annoying or something) is just disguising a bigoted one. And then making him hate the relationship because Stede, who he hates, is stealing Edward, who he is in love with? Classic romcom trope AND another clever sidestep of more serious and less sympathetic motivations.

The show is fantastically pulling off getting a man to hate a gay man and a gay romance for realistic, messy, straight out of a romcom reasons entirely unrelated to them being gay, and a bunch of people are STILL obsessed with proving that, no, it's definitely irredeemable, awful, "I'll kill you for being yourself" violent homophobia at work. Why not just consider the alternative?

#our flag means death #and this is all before we even get into the cycles of abuse and toxic defense methods against emotional vulnerability #which hits on the working class struggle to survive AND clever use of comedy violence to play with in universe severity #just... how are the same people putting the show on the highest pedestal i've ever seen the ones also ignoring good rep writing? #izzy hands ofmd #stede bonnet ofmd #blackbeard ofmd #homophobia #racism #ladyluscinia #(disclaimer - i don't actually watch romcoms very often but i'm pretty sure everything i've said here applies)

[spite-and-waffles]

I feel like neither the pro-Talia Al Ghul camp or the anti-Talia camp really care to delve deeply into the fact that she has been abused and used by her father her whole life, and is as tragic a character as Jason. Her fixating on a man as emotionally distant and obsessed with his mission as Ra's, knowing full well that he will never choose her or his children over it, is a completely accurate showcasing of the way people perpetuate their own trauma cycles.

And while I hope more people refuse to take anything Grant Morrison wrote about Talia to account, making her a good mother in reaction to it also just does not make sense. Just like Bruce, she's an example of someone who loves her child fiercely but is too traumatized and emotionally stunted to express it in healthy ways. Unlike Bruce she grew up in a literal terrorist cult and raised Damian in it as well. Her being exacting and teaching Damian to be ruthless and trust no one were all incredibly damaging and abusive, but it's also the only fucking way he could have survived the League or Ra's. Yes, she could have sent Damian to his father and keeping him by her side was selfish, but this woman, who had been starved of love and had never been anyone's priority since her mother died, finally had a person to be hers and only hers. It's horribly, tragically human to guard that love jealously and possessively.

The Tiger Mom as a trope is racist, but the emotional effects on women made to prove their worth as humans via motherhood is very much a reality that women of colour can relate to, and one not confined to just Asians. I'm only going to speak for my own people here, but the way Asian mothers make their sons their whole reason for being stems directly from the oppressively patriarchal cultures we grow up in, where a woman's worth is predicated on being a wife and mother and the highest honour she can aspire to is having a son. Ra's is the original patriarch who drilled into his daughters that they could never inherit his legacy no matter how much they proved their love, and that they owed him male heirs. Damian's very existence is tied up with Talia's idea of her own personhood and worth and achievement, which is why she piles on so many contradicting expectations on him - that he's fiercely independent but also stays by her side, become his father's perfect heir but take only her values, never be a pawn like she was, but align with her own wishes.

However you want to negotiate the racism of the way Talia is written is up to you obviously, but I feel that there's no realistic way that Talia can be a good mother (even in Son of the Demon she acted in Bruce's best interests, deceived him and abandoned her child, which actually might have been kinder than attempting to raise him in the LoA). I feel that making her one is an extremely simplistic way of dealing with the racialized misogyny her character is subjected to, and a disservice to real-life children of mothers like her, who love their children fiercely but perpetuate abuse cycles because of that very love.

For me, deconstructing and reaching past the misogyny and racism means humanising her and not making her value and sympathy as a character contingent on how good of a mother she is to Damian and Jason. Trauma and abuse slows or arrests your emotional development and makes it difficult to regulate your emotions and impulses, which is why it's a requirement for traumatized people to cognitively work on themselves in order to be good parents to their own children. Talia cannot. There's absolutely no therapist she can trust, the last time she felt close to someone she was decieved, tortured and brainwashed by her, and not only can't she get away from her father but she received a harsh object lesson from her sister on what happens when you try. This woman is a goddamn victim in every possible way, even more than Jason. It's also one of the reasons I don't buy that she allowed herself to be close to Jason, maternal feelings notwithstanding.

(Also her sleeping with him was pretty gross and unnecessary of Winick, whose writing is far from unproblematic when it comes to WoC, but it makes for a fascinating character deconstruction because afaik it happened right after Nyssa tortured her until she was brainwashed against Ra's and Bruce. So at that point in time she was basically in tatters and locked in the same self-destructive spiral as Jason, and maybe she wanted to nuke her sense of maternal care towards him in a bid to feel less emotionally vulnerable. I love this kind of psychological yarn balls in fiction.)

Absolutely none of this should absolve her choices. None of this means she's a good anything or that she should be seen as a purely sympathetic and wronged character. She's obscenely rich and powerful, ruthless, cunning and manipulative. She's one of the most dangerous people in the world. She's not fit to raise anyone. But if you can't accept all of that and square it with a fiercely loving heart and find a deeply human character then I really can't relate to you.

Let female characters of colour be human, morally grey and complex. Let fictional mothers be traumatized and deeply damaging without demonizing them. And stop moralizing female characters, I am begging you. We're far past Victorian England. Making them be on their best behaviour all the time to be sympathetic is oppressive as hell and not what storytelling is for.

#talia al ghul #ra's al ghul #son of the demon #anti Grant Morrison #parental abuse #abuse cycles #asian representation #women of colour #jason todd #red hood: the lost days #damian al ghul #damian wayne #misogyny #racism #death and the maidens #bat meta #dc meta #batfamily #dc comics #spite waffle

[crimeronan]

A commenter on my SECOND EVER fanfic wrote that my way of thinking is BAD FOR THE WOLRD, because I said HUMAN HISTORY is why I had Camila assume that the conclusions about basilisks Hunter read in Boiling Isles scientific journals were very likely tainted by racism. Then they wrote a very long comment about how people like me are throwing aways thousands of years of science and proclaimed that their comment should serve as a valuble lesson to all. I laughed and pressed delete :)

that is an Astonishing level of headassery. good on you for deleting the comment! lord forbid an afro-latina woman draw perfectly reasonable and 100% canon conclusions about how colonizers document things bc of her lived experiences. i'd say the whole "scientific racism has never existed and you're evil for saying things that are true" bit is funny but it's that kind of nonsense that often makes fandom hostile to my friends n family of color, so i'm just like. waow. sweeps it gently into a dustpan and throws it out with the trash. embarrassing!

#it's rotten luck for you - i've had shockingly positive feedback in toh fandom especially compared to in raven cycle fandom #(trc fandom was also very nice there were just some individual people who uh. were not) #replies #toh #racism

[pissywiser]

nah bc i love how b*lly apologists never even talk about b*lly being racist theyll talk all day about him being a victim of abuse (oh him continuing the cycle of abuse, unlike jonathan? oh him being abusive towards max? yeah idk where you heard that... certainly not canon..) and they wont even mention him being racist. they know its a losing battle

yucky now from so much thinking about b*lly :(((

#yes i KNOW different people respond to abuse differently #yes i KNOW you shouldnt compare victims of abuse!! im not!!! #i just also know he perpetuated the cycle of abuse #towards max #and was horribly racist towards lucas! #“he cared about max 🥺” #okay well he fucked her up so bad she feels guilty bc shes glad hes dead because guess what!!!! #he was abusive to her!!! #woah!!!! #anyway #grey talks #omg if the b*lly stans find me istg #byler #< target audience #stranger things #tw abuse #tw racism

[starlooove]

It’s not even about the ship to me I just wanna understand why y’all wanna adultify and sexualize black boys to the point of losing common sense so badly

#especially in a movie with themes of racism 💀 #and yknow what I’m tired of saying it’s just white ppl bc it’s grown ass black women I see doing it to #y’all are NOT breaking the cycles lemme tell you that 💀 #the whole ‘they called me grown for wearing red nail polish’ #that’s you rn with that CHILD bc he has piercings and an accent #get real #hobie brown #spiderpunk #hobie x reader #hobie x y/n #hobie x you #tagging y’all bc y’all need to see it #nasty asses

[gawrkin]

An Arthurian Triangle by Peter Korrel

#racism huh... #arthuriana #arthurian legend #arthurian mythology #arthurian legends #king arthur #queen guinevere #sir lancelot #vulgate cycle #percival #galahad #grail quest

[le-fils-de-lhomme]

People can take a laser to a 30 plus year old TV show and quickly identify all instances of blatant or benign bigotry. It's easy to pick at the past. Less easy is to find benign bigotry in current works, because it doesn't exist. The writers room works united and you and everyone else are oh so enlightened.

#We are heading back to a cycle of pink is for girls blue is for boys enlightened sexism #and racism and homophobia not seen since the early 00s. #In fact it already exists but people really believe that they are better than the past.

[cobwebbed-crow]

I'll think the bigotry on here is bad then I go to literally any other website (where I haven't perfectly curated what I want to see) and people are literally spouting the great replacement theory. Maybe tumblr isn't so bad.

#at least on here #it's mostly terfs/transphobes #and tradwives #not literal fucking neonazis #original post #bigotry #racism cw #racisim #I don't know why but I've been seeing an uptick of far right content #might have something to do with the American election cycle #I don't know #I'm not American #but it's disturbing either way #great replacement theory #racism tw

[ambelle]

You know what? I know when I was younger, I definitely could relate easier, and that was a time when the only ones I knew irl were like a few teachers and a few students. Whenever I got out into the world and interacted more with them irl, it became harder for me to connect with characters, BUT, I still can in several instances. And a lot of these people never even interact with us in real life, but the characters they see, no matter how they are written, they'll always have a problem when that character is anything but a prop.

Yeah they’ll offer them the most easily digestible black and brown people and it’ll still not work for them. I’ll always remember what Hunger Games fans said about Rue when they saw she was blacked. That was a little girl and they for real said they felt nothing when she died. Hell I removed myself from the Titans fandom because this ww was making several posts about how she resented Mar’i, an actual toddler, for getting more attention than Rachel. And people let her talk crazy like that all in Mari and her parents’s tag because they enjoy her fanfiction. So yeah you can present an innocent baby and they’ll still have an issue.

Specifically I find it easier to connect with ww in fiction. That whole “surprise I’m anti-black” thing they love to do isn’t something that tends to happen at least on shows I watch. Like for example I have no reason to believe Cate is secretly racist and that’s her motive behind anything she does but her fans on the other hand…

#fandom racism #just a cycle that never ever ends