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#damian is talia al ghul's son just as much as bruce's
devine-fem · 3 days
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ion remember who said that but someone here said that bruce is a bad parent but he loves his sons and that's so true.
He's done bad things but he hasn't done them out of genuine assholery, like he genuinely cares but bro has no clue on how to deal with the kids emotions.
And that doesn't necessarily make him a bad person. Maybe a bad parent but he isn't some evil abuser like the other side of the fandom makes him out to be, and he isn't a saint who loves to shelter kids like a mother hen either...
y'all need to start allowing people to do bad things cuz they DO. Parents can be emotionally abusive or give a kid trauma without even realizing. And it's sad that for Damian we have to fit him into either A: Talia hits him and tortures him B: Bruce hits him or tortures him or C: they're both angels of parents 😭 or D where they both do it ig
Need Damian's trauma to be such that you cant exactly place the blame on someone, but it's there and it's bad. IDK IF I MAKE SENSE UGHHHH
No, stop. Imagine going from a world where you’re not allowed to become emotionally attached to anything and you’re proned to violence for survival. Then you go form that to an emotionally distant and neglectful father who has been proned to violence since his 20s and has you go straight into breaking criminal necks in yellow suits.
Mind you, the only person who thought it’s be a good idea to have Damian completely taken out of their lives as they were was Talia Al Ghul. She wanted to give him up to adoption in secret so he wouldn’t have to grow up in the league or with Bruce Wayne.
Imagine your parents love you to death but just that, it’s always to death: they can never just show you like a normal person what loves supposed to be. They always gotta show it differently and how confusing that must be for a child?
We simply do not ignore the bad things Bruce does to Damian like we do Talia but I do and I always will. The morrison run was too important to Damian’s story to ignore and City of Bane, etc was too important an event to ignore. Fortunately, we have cognitive thought and can determine what’s in character and that even bad actions doesn’t mean these characters just always had bad intentions. Damian will always be their baby boy, they love him so much but unfortunately… they love him in a way that accommodates for both their seperate missions… which is why he’s so between two worlds…
I truly couldn’t like Talia, Bruce and Damian if they were exempted from all bad action; it’s fun only when there’s complexity… I don’t read these comics for family feels anyway but I also take this things head on because well, they did them and it can’t be ignored how we wish it could.
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ghostbsuter · 6 months
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Damian was 10 when he was shipped off to his father.
He was 10 when he finally decided enough was enough, packed his stuff, called Mara, and the ball went rolling.
The moment Talia left the mansion, the DNA test confirmed, and Bruce emotionally compromised, did he finally move.
He'd stared his father down, felt nothing when he stood up and mild annoyance bloomed when his father asked– demanded– where he was going.
"You're a fool if you believe I will stay here." He spat, eyening the man in disdain.
It became very apparent that Damian wasn't what Bruce thought he'd be, what Talia thought he was.
"Your mother entrusted me with your safety–"
"I don't need protection. Mother wouldn't care if I stayed or not." He blinks. "Where is the cave? I wish to use the computer, I have people to contact."
Reluctantly, Bruce shows him the way, questions of who and why, and the plans he apparently had were asked.
Damian answers with vague wordings and enough open spaces for interpretation. Words greatest detective, he can figure it out himself without damian spelling it out for him.
When they do arrive in the batcave, Tim Drake— Robin— was sitting at the computer.
Huffing, Damian shoved the entire chair away from the table, taking its place and started typing.
"W— hey! What—? Who?" Tim looked between Bruce and Damian, despite being sleep deprived his eyes caught on the similarities, mouth dry and mind calculating.
"Does Dick know?" Is all he asks, leaning back and watching the younger boy work.
"Not yet."
A heavy sigh.
"Silence," the boy huffs, annoyed. "I'll have to make a call."
Glaring daggers, he pulls out a old burner phone, pressing the single number saved inside and waits.
"Damian."
"Hello, brother."
('Oh. Did he have another?' Tim wonders, watching Batman's face, blank like a paper sheet. Nothing. It feels like all his efforts of bringing the man back were just flushed.)
Or in simpler words:
Danyal al Ghul, the first successor of the demons head, born with his twin Athanasia al Ghul, to be the future of the league.
They were reborn with their former memories, stuck in place, constantly watched and trained. Manipulated. Weaponized.
All for a man playing immortal.
They'd only started planning when two more children came into the picture, Damian and Mara Al Ghul.
Danyal now Daniel "Danny" and Athanasia now Eleanor "Ellie" Nightingale took matters into their own hands and separated to take the kids in and end this.
End the league. End the cycle of whatever this, this cult is, and take over.
In many universes, Ra's al Ghul does not die, always returns, wielding his people like mere weapons.
In this universe, Danyal al Ghul is acknowledged as a traitor, killer of the Demons head and Older Brother, borderline father even, to his tiny brother Damian al Ghul.
In this universe, he raises Damian instead of Talia, shows him the cracks of this careful manipulated picture and listens when Ellie tells of her travels to this tiny child with a sad sad fate.
In this universe, Ellie takes in their tiny cousin, shielding her from the cruel eyes of a man not worthy. She trains her, shows her the ropes and takes her along when she leaves.
In this universe, Damian al Ghul and Mara al Ghul live a good live, protected by the twins of old souls and have a somewhat normal if not very complicated childhood.
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michaeljoncarter · 2 years
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goddd talia's letter to bruce (that she never intended to send! that he only got because damian wanted him to know about it so bad, he stole it from her and brought it to him!) in the batman files... i could really just start screaming and never stop
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My Beloved,
There is nothing uncomplicated about what you and I have. The goals of my father, and my dedication to him, are a part of my life and always will be. I know that you've ended things between us, but there is not a single part of me that believes you. While you may say that we are over, I know your eyes. Beloved, I know your eyes too well to believe anything you say.
Because of our complications, you and I will always have secrets between us and thoughts that we cannot share. That is the unfortunate nature of our relationships and of our loyalties. But there is one secret that I've kept from you, which I had no right to keep. All I can do is apologize and hope you can understand why I couldn't tell you this sooner. But I am telling you now.
Your son is alive, Beloved. When you and my father were allies--when you were hunting that man Quayin--I had become pregnant. I let my guard down with you, and you did the same. We were acting out an impossible life, and you were even happy when I told you that you were going to be a father. But when you and my father turned against each other, everything ended. Your eyes told me how silly I'd been to imagine our future, and so I told you I'd lost the child.
But he was fine. Your boy grew inside me, a fighter like his father, but without a chance at the life you wanted for him. I knew he needed more than the violent, lonely world of Ra's al Ghul. So I gave your boy--your beautiful little boy--away. He was placed in an orphanage, and as I've learned, has found a home with a young, caring family.
There is not a day that goes by that I don't think about him. I wonder what he looks like. I wonder how his little voice sounds. And every morning, I think about going to him. I think about taking him back, and raising him myself. I don't know how strong I can be, but I am trying to do what is right for him. There may come a morning when I just can't leave him any longer. There may come a morning when I go and take my boy back.
I've spent too much time, and too many tears on this letter, Beloved, because I have no real intention of mailing it. But I am sorry. I am so sorry that I've kept our son from both of us. And I wish I didn't have to keep all of this to myself.
Yours always,
Talia
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jonathan-samuel-smith · 6 months
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Chapters: 1/1 Fandom: Super Sons (Comics), Star Trek Rating: General Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Talia al Ghul/Bruce Wayne, Jonathan Samuel Kent/Damian Wayne Characters: Jonathan Samuel Kent, Damian Wayne, Clark Kent, Talia al Ghul, Bruce Wayne, Lois Lane, Minor Characters Additional Tags: T'hy'la (Star Trek), Soulmates, Alternate Universe - Soulmates, Soul Bond, Vulcan Culture, Vulcan Language, Vulcan!Bruce Wayne, Vulcan!Talia, Vulcan!Damian, Alternate Universe - Space, Jon is 13, Damian is 14, Pon Farr References (Star Trek), Vulcan Mind Melds (Star Trek), Marriage, no beta we die like spock Summary:
This is a Star Trek AU of Jon and Damian's relationship where their fathers are Starfleet officers rather than superheroes, and Damian's family are Vulcans. But don't worry if you're unfamiliar with Star Trek! I've done my best to explain it to you as if you were hearing it all for the first time! Featuring... -telepathy -hand kisses -soul bonds -emotional repression -growing up on a star ship -getting married way too young, what the heck Vulcans?!
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The milky way galaxy has four quadrants. Earth is close to the center of the Alpha Quadrant, the quadrant The Federation shares with The Klingon Empire (to which they are allied), The Romulan Empire, and unaffiliated planets. The founding members of The Federation are Vulcans, Tellarites, Humans, and Andorians. The Vulcans do not interfere with any species before they have faster-than-light warp drive technology, fearing to negatively alter their progression. This philosophy  known as The Prime Directive spread to the rest of The Federation. The Federation’s military branch is known as Starfleet, a Human dominated space exploration group structured after the old US Naval Forces, which includes members from Earth’s Beluga Whales to Klingons and even the capitalist Ferengi. 
Starfleet's mission is “to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.” However they do a lot of recruiting of new member worlds which have recently discovered faster than light travel in addition to star charting and scientific observation.
Most space-faring Vulcans are part of the Vulcan Science Academy, which does its own scientific exploration. Commander T’alia and First Officer Bruce were different in a few regards from most other Vulcans. One, they did not mind how humans smell. Two, they decided to raise their child Damian aboard a starship rather than settling down on Vulcan for his adolescence. Three, they were high ranking officers in Starfleet. There are many high ranked Vulcan officers in starfleet. This is because they tend to rank up easily, and not because there are an abundance of Vulcans interested in joining up. 
T’alia had a particular interest in xenoanthropology and the opportunity to live amongst a variety of cultures seemed the logical choice to provide her with mental stimulation. Bruce tended to work well with humans as he had some neuroses that caused him to act more emotionally. Compared to a human he was still overly logical, but he would be unfit for duty in the VSA. 
Damian was a child of 14 years in age, and he was much shorter than the average height of a Vulcan his age. He had a short bowl cut with pointed sideburns, like any self-respecting Vulcan boy or man. His blood was green, giving his tan skin a green undertone, and his ears and eyebrows were pointed. 
Damian tended to look grumpy whether he was holding his emotions in or not. And most of the time he was holding them in, as Vulcans are strict stoics. Once, they let their emotions rule them, and lived a miserable, war-torn existence, unable to focus on scientific efforts at all. They are still capable of great passion and violence today, but a great leader Surak offered a revolutionary teaching of emotional control that allowed them to reform their society and reach out to the stars. In Damian’s time, accusing a Vulcan of an emotional display was a grave insult. As a child, Damian often had trouble controlling his emotions and meditating, but he was a determined perfectionist, so he did better than most his age. 
Damian loved living aboard a spaceship. He would bring his Sehlat named Goliath, a large saber toothed and shaggy-haired four-legged “living teddy bear”, around with him in the hallways, causing the uniformed officers aboard to scramble out of the way of the harmless animal, which always amused Damian. He was able to find the sweet spot in the ship where the gravity flipped and he could sit on the ceiling. The other children did not bother him, thinking him aloof and even creepy, so he was happy to spend his time conducting experiments and doing research while cuddled with his Sehlat. 
Then, one day, their captain retired, and a new captain arrived onboard. 
Captain Kal-El had worked hard to get where he was today. Krypton was a small empire that held only a few planets and had joined the federation when he was a baby. Krypton had its own space agency, but growing up when all things federation was still hot news, he had a fascination with federation history and the founding planets. He went to starfleet academy under the command division and served on several starships, where he met his wife Lois Lane, a human woman with unusual eyes. She was a reporter for The Daily Planet which despite originally covering earth news had expanded to cover the entire federation. 
Kal married Lois when he got her unexpectedly pregnant. He took a leave of absence where he and his scientist father made sure the first Kryptonian-Human hybrid was born smoothly. Kal named him Jon-El. He raised Jon, taking him with him to the stars, being sure to serve on ships with daycare. Lois would live with them when she could get by with writing articles based on research she was handed by The Planet. 
Jon loved space. He loved staring out of the windows when they were at warp, he loved learning about space anomalies, he loved the amazing views right outside of his window, he loved being allowed to go out there with his dad without an EV suit when his father deemed it safe enough. At thirteen years old, Jon had developed all of his father’s sunlight-gifted powers. He liked to volunteer at the daycare when his dad was busy with work, flying the younger kids around, dressing up as superheroes, acting out plays with him as the monster. 
To his credit, Jon kind of was a superhero. When the ship was damaged, Jon was able to seal holes in the hull with his laser vision, he was able to lift collapsed beams out of the way of the hallways or off of people, he was able to speed people to safer decks and rescue people who were sucked out into space before it was too late for the doctors to revive them. He wasn’t hurt by most things, a phaser set to vaporize could only stun him, and no enemies they encountered ever had kryptonite.
It would not be an exaggeration to say that Jon was a big part of his father’s ability to get promoted. Kal would do the important decision making and deal with attacks and away missions, but Jon was there to make sure when things went wrong they didn’t go too wrong. Of course, not even Jon could save everyone. It was a pain to be able to hear their cries as they died and he could do nothing. But for the most part, Jon was very proud of himself. He didn’t need praise because it was rewarding work on its own. It was expected that Jon would become a uniformed officer when he grew up, because he nearly already was one. 
Despite seeming like a perfect fit for security or command, Jon loved science. It was his favorite subject in school and he liked to pretend to be a scientist on the holodeck, a room in the ship that used holograms and replicators to provide a convincing experience of whatever the programmer wanted to create. 
At 13, Jon loved playing baseball. He would dress up and go to the holodeck and play with his holographic teammates, he had tried every role at every level of difficulty. He had read a lot of old holonovels about the ancient earth sport and had come up with his own replicator program for big league chew, which he would eat on the fake field. 
Jon was accustomed to changing ships, but he was still very proud of his dad for getting promoted to captain of the USS Apollo (NCC-1994), a constitution class ship with lots of civilians. Maybe one of the children would be Jon’s friend. Jon had always wanted a best friend. He never told his parents, but he was actually very lonely. 
Damian met Jon-El right after Kal-El had his formal introduction to the ship as captain. Kal-El met with his new first officer, hand on Jon’s shoulder, and Bruce had been walking in step with Damian, both of them with their hands held behind their back. Immediately he was fascinated. Damian had never met a Kryptonian, much less the first Kryptonian-Human hybrid in the universe. His hair looked soft and curly, as bouncy as the boy himself. His ears were so round and pink, like a seashell. Of course, Damian had seen plenty of ears like those, but he had never considered them before. They looked soft. 
His eyes were an unusual deep violet blue, his nose was small, round, and cute. He had thin pink lips and long eyelashes, and freckles on his cheeks. He reached his hand out to shake Damian’s and Damian’s stomach felt weird. He knew it was inappropriate but he wanted to take the offered hand, to feel it against his. He blushed a deep green. 
“Hi, I’m Jon! I’ve never met a Vulcan before. I did not know they were so pretty!”
Damian coughed, embarrassed and excited, and embarrassed by his excitement. “Hello, Jon. I am Damian. Vulcans do not shake hands in greeting.” He said, indicating Jon’s outstretched arm with a nod of his chin. “I have never met a Kryptonian prior to this occasion either. I find you aesthetically pleasing as well.”
Jon blushed and Damian knew he wanted to see Jon’s face more often after this. So he decided to observe him. 
Jon started going to his school and Damian sat a far distance away from Jon so as not to interfere with his behavior, observing him more than he was paying attention in class. He followed Jon to lunch and paid rapt attention to what he ate and his reaction to it. Once Jon made to leave, Damian would slip in and order the same thing, to taste it himself and compare their reactions. This unfortunately led to an embarrassing incident at home when he had eaten some chocolate cake, luckily only his parents bore witness to that.
Jon noticed his attention. Jon would look at Damian through the bulkheads after he would distance himself and he noticed him writing in his Personal Access Display Device. Jon decided that Damian stalking him must mean that he wanted to be friends but was too shy to say anything, so he floated over and sat down next to Damian, who had been too absorbed in his writing to notice Jon.
“Hi! I noticed you stalking me. Do you want to be friends?”
Damian startled. “Jon. I was not stalking you, I was conducting scientific study on your behavior and habits.”
“Well, wouldn’t you get to know me better if you actually talked to me and stuff?”
“Interference with the subject contaminates my data. The fact that you noticed my observation means my results are already scientifically invalid.” Damian said, deleting his file.
“Aw, you didn’t have to do that! But you know what, if it’s already messed up, then you can just talk to me and learn about me the normal way.”
“I suppose I could continue to study you informally.”
“Great!”
“I notice that you replicate a custom formula a lot. I have been trying your food but I do not have access to your program. What is it?”
Jon smiled and pulled out a small package. “It’s called big league chew! On earth, they used to play this game called baseball, where you have 5 bases and you run around them based on how you hit a ball and if or how or when it’s caught. I play it a lot. I read in a holonovel that they used to chew tobacco, but when they found out that was bad for them, they switched to this special gum. The legend goes that it improves your playing. But they don’t sell it anymore, cause nobody plays baseball ‘cept me. Oh, but I heard Vulcans are really good at baseball! Would you play with me?”
“Hm, I suppose I am curious.”
“Sweet! Do you want to try it? I don’t know if I’ve got it right yet but I like it.”
Damian took a pinch of the gum between his finger and thumb and chewed it. It was bubblegum flavored. 
“You’re not supposed to swallow gum, but I do, because I don’t like to litter and I wouldn’t know where else to put it when the flavor runs out.”
Damian pressed the gum flat to the roof of his mouth, then moved the flat piece down to his lips, pursed them, and blew a bubble.
“Wow! That was awesome! I didn’t know you could do that!”
Damian pulled the gum out of his mouth and held it in his hand. “I think I can improve the formula to make the bubbles bigger and the taste more palatable to a human tongue.”
“Go for it! Share it with me if you do!”
“Very well, I shall. I have to go to my quarters to do it.”
“I’ll come with you! I’ve got nothing to do anyway.”
Damian sighed. “If you insist. Come along, Jon. You can meet my Sehlat.”
“What’s a Sehlat?”
“A Vulcan Teddy Bear.”
When they arrived at Damian’s family quarters, Goliath bounded up to them. “Meet Goliath.”
“Is this your teddy bear?” Jon asked.
“Yes.” Damian petted him.
“Can I pet him?”
“You are not afraid of him?” Damian asked, quirking a brow.
“No? You said he’s a teddy bear.”
Damian nodded. “You may pet him.”
Jon pet Goliath and Goliath stepped aside to allow them entry. Jon cuddled up with Goliath on his mat while Damian looked into the composition of the gum. Jon talked at him about various things for two hours until Damian completed the program and replicated it. He tried it and blew a large bubble, then gave it to Jon, who enthusiastically did the same.
“This is great! I didn’t know it would be so chalky, but that helps it not melt together! Thanks!”
“You are welcome, Jon. Now that it is a success, I will publish it. Would you like to be the co-creator?”
“Your name and mine next to each other? I like the sound of that!” Jon said cheerily. Damian turned away with a slight blush and published the program. T’alia came into the room. 
“Damian, you did not tell me we would be having a guest.”
“I apologize, mother. It was unplanned.”
“An apology is unnecessary. Introduce me.”
Damian bowed his head. “This is Jon-El, son of Kal-El and Lois Lane, Investigative Journalist. He is tall for his age and has inherited all of his father’s powers. He enjoys–”
T’alia raised her hand to silence him. “I do not need the full dissertation. The information you have given me will suffice.”
Damian tried not to pout.
“Hi Damian’s mom!” Jon said.
“Hello Jon. I am T’alia. Is it your preference to stay for supper?”
“Uh… I’ll call my dad. If he’s too busy to eat with me, then yes.”
T’alia began cooking with her preserved ingredients from her last visit to Vulcan. She was making a soup not unlike bamboo curry. 
Jon called his dad, who apologized for being busy, so Jon, T’alia, and Damian ate together while Bruce and Kal were working. 
“Thish ish spicy!” Jon said. 
“Is it too much for you?” T’alia asked. Damian watched with fascination as his face flushed.
“I’ll be fine! I just gotta replicate some rice to go with it. Excuse me.”
Damian stood up first. “I will go replicate you white jasmine steamed rice and a glass of milk. You are our guest. Excuse me.”
Jon relaxed against his chair, spoon in hand. Damian came back with the rice and milk and Jon beamed at him and had a much better time eating the meal. 
The next day, Damian met Jon in the holodeck. 
“So, Damian, It’s time I teach you the rules of baseball.” Jon said, stepping into the holodeck and calling up the program. He handed Damian a uniform. “Go change in the locker room.” he pointed to the dugout. 
Once Damian got changed, Jon told Damian all of the rules of baseball and they practiced pitching and catching and batting. The next day they played a real game and Jon had a lot of fun working with Damian’s unique strategy. Damian was having fun too, though he would not admit it.
After the great success that was baseball, Jon decided to let Damian in on his pretend scientist program. Having someone familiar with the scientific method enhanced the play significantly, and Jon learned a lot about xenobiology and xenobotany. 
“Damian, I really love animal xenobiology, but I don’t know how to find stuff on the net or how to read all the big words. Can you help me?”
“Certainly, Jon. Seeking scientific knowledge is admirable.”
Damian showed Jon a website to search through scientific articles and showed him how to search for what he wanted. They read articles together so Damian could explain what they just read, and Jon was starting to put it all together and have a larger vocabulary. 
Kal-El wondered why Jon was using such big words so suddenly, but Lois was convinced it was her journalism rubbing off on him.
They had their first sleepover and they stayed up all night reading about the convergent evolution of striped pollinators on different M-class planets. After that they started exchanging holonovel recommendations. Damian would recommend nonfiction books he’d read years prior that were at Jon’s reading level, and Jon would recommend Damian the biggest chapter books that he had ever finished. They liked to play the holodeck adventure adaptation of these holonovels, and their favorite was The Magic Treehouse. Jon enjoyed the educational and story-telling aspects of the program and Damian enjoyed the stimulating visuals and the exercise he was able to get. He was very pleased when he saw Jon enjoying himself, longing to paint that buoyant smile.
Damian started getting in trouble for talking in class, though Jon was well-versed in talking during class and knew when to be quiet and not get caught, unlike Damian who had never even attempted to break the rules before.
Damian didn’t like to be touched by Jon. He had not communicated that he felt his touch telepathy was an invasion of poor unshielded Jon’s privacy. However, he did enjoy it when Jon flew him around in the corridors. He’d pick him up in a piggy back ride, or hold him to his chest, and one time Damian rode him like a skateboard before promptly falling off and being caught by Jon. The boys would get in trouble whenever they were discovered flying around, unless there was an emergency, in which case Bruce and T’alia were just thankful Jon was around to protect their son. 
One day Jon visited Damian to find him painting.
“Whatcha doin’?”
“Hello Jon. I am painting this edosian orchid. Would you like to join me?”
“Sure.”
Damian directed him as to where to find the second easel, which was not kid height, but Jon could fly. Jon started painting a simplified stylized orchid. They worked together silently until Jon was finished. 
“Done! Do you wanna see?”
“Of course.”
Damian put his brush down to look at Jon’s painting. “Why did you paint those outlines?”
Jon laughed. “Of course vulcans would only teach their kids realism… Dami, call it a cartoon or whatever you like, but there’s way more styles than just photo-realism.”
“Hm… How do you know what to draw if you’re not directly copying it?”
“Oh, how to explain… It’s like, I notice certain things about it that stand out to me and I focus on it, giving it highlights or stark outlines or bright colors to draw attention to what I find important about the subject.”
“So it is an insight as to how you see the world. Fascinating.”
“Do you want to try?”
“Oh… I couldn’t possibly…”
Jon shrugged. “Suit yourself.”
“I mean… maybe if you help me…” Damian flushed, embarrassed.
“Great! And hey, you can teach me how you get your stuff so realistic after!”
“I agree to your terms.”
“What, no hand shake?” Jon teased. Damian blushed.
“I– What?”
Jon smiled bemusedly. “You know, clasping hands, to show agreement or greeting.”
“Do you not think that is somewhat forward?”
“Not really.” Jon shrugged. Damian shivered.
“To answer your question, no ‘handshake’.”
“Okay. Hey, let's do some sketches on paper while we let our paintings dry!”
Damian nodded distractedly.
A few days later they’re walking down the hallway, not flying for once. Jon told Damian that it was because he didn’t want to get in trouble, but in reality he had a plan. He noticed Damian did not like being hugged or nuzzled, but Jon had read that sometimes people prefer holding hands for comfort. So with their hands swinging between them, Jon slid his fingers between Damian’s and held his hand. 
Damian appeared to short-circuit and stopped in the middle of the hallway. Jon stared at him, apprehensive and curious about his reaction.
“W-Why are we making out?” Damian said in a high pitch, face awash with green. Jon thought it looked rather beautiful. 
“Huh? What do you mean? My lips aren’t touching you?” Jon said, noticing Damian staring at their hands with wide eyes.
“You kiss with your lips, and yet you eat, talk, and breathe with them as well. How curious.”
“...So, If we’re kissing right now…” Jon trailed off, looking at their hands. ”Why aren’t you pulling away?” Jon gasped. “Do you li~ke me?”
“Tt.” Damian pulled his hand away roughly, trying to fight any reaction at the friction it caused. “In your dreams.” Damian looked away.
“Sounds like my dreams are pretty mundane.” Jon said, leaning into Damian’s face.
Damian tilted his head, considering. “It is only fair that I return the opportunity to experience a new stimulus.” Damian pressed his warm, dry lips to Jon’s soft ones for as long as it took for Jon’s eyes to slip closed. He pulled away. “That is so weird…” Damian said, turning and walking down the hallway.
Jon put his fingers to his lips, blushing red. “W-Wait up! Damian!” Jon flew after him.
When Damian arrived home he went to his mom. “Mother, I am being affected by an anomaly.”
“What kind of anomaly?”
“Unknown. It seems to be related to Jon-El. Whenever he is around, I feel warm, even though we are often in colder places than our quarters. I cannot focus on other things when we are together. It is hard to keep my hands off of him, especially when he welcomes the contact. I can’t sleep at night thinking about what his mind might feel like. This obsession is uncharacteristic of my lived experiences thus far. I do not even think these things about my wife.”
“Damian, You are having your first love.”
“Love is illogical.”
“You’re right about that. But that doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing. I married your father because I love him, not because of logic.”
“I already have a future spouse.”
“Bruce was not my original bondmate. I chose him as my champion to fight the man my father chose for me during his first pon farr. He fell in love with me afterwards. You may think it is illogical to change bondmates, but have you considered that it is illogical to waste time marrying without love when you could both find love in others?”
“But Jon cannot produce an heir with me. What is the logic in marrying a male?”
“It is good to know the natural biology of our species, but we have progressed past that scientifically. If you were to have a hybrid baby, it would have to be nurtured in an artificial womb regardless, and in such a method, Jon-El is perfectly capable of providing the genetic material.”
“...Thank you, Mother, I shall consider this further.”
That night Damian had trouble meditating, until he decided he would mind-meld with Jon to test their compatibility once and for all.
“Jon, it has come to my attention that we are potentially romantically compatible. Will you allow me to meld with your mind to ascertain our suitability?” Damian spoke, hands clasped in front of him as they sat at their lunch table.
Jon tilted his head questioningly. “Are you asking me out right now?”
Damian furrowed his brows. “I am not familiar with that phrase.”
“It means like, to ask someone to be in a romantic relationship with you.”
“I am not asking that yet. I am asking if you will allow me to share your mind so I can assess how well such a relationship would work.”
“Will it hurt?”
Damian allowed some of his surprise to show on his face. “No. It is a spiritual experience, a channel between our souls. We would be sharing our minds and hearts.”
Jon blushed. “Sounds intense… But what if you don’t like it?”
Damian quirked a brow. “What if you don’t like it?”
“Well obviously you’d still be my bestest friend in the universe– Oh, I get it! You’re saying it’ll be fine! Um, okay, so… will it be like kissing? Cuz I liked that a whole lot.”
Damian nodded. “It is infinitely more intimate.”
“I’m in. What do I need to do?”
“Meet me in my quarters after school. You can borrow one of my meditation robes. Are you allergic to any incense fragrance?”
Jon shook his head. “Kryptonian, remember? I’ve got two weaknesses; lack of sunlight and kryptonite.”
“I shall choose my favorite scent, in that case. We shall meet at the appointed place.” Damian said, standing up to leave. 
“Where’re you going? School isn’t over!”
“I am going to prepare. I have already completed today’s assignments.” Damian bowed to Jon and told the teacher that he was going home.
At home Damian took a sonic shower and dressed in his most formal meditation robes. He fussed with his bangs in the mirror, making sure they laid just right. Then, he prepared his room for the meld, lighting incense and setting out two meditation pillows facing each other. Damian fought his giddy feel from bubbling up as he waited for Jon to arrive. 
Jon came in with his backpack and greeted Damian happily at his door. Damian took Jon’s bag and offered him the robes, returning to his room to put the bag away. Jon came back in, luckily the robes were loose on Damian so they fit Jon.
“Sit.” Damian said, kneeling on one of the pillows. Jon tried to copy his posture. “Take deep breaths and try to relax.” Damian put his fingers on the psi-points along Jon’s temples. “My mind to your mind. Our minds are merging. Our minds are becoming one.”
Damian stood in Jon’s mindscape. It had a pink sky and was full of all sorts of creatures they had researched together. Five Jons popped up around Damian, putting their faces close to his, holding onto him, hugging him, smiling brightly. Jon and Damian were both naked and glowing a bright gold, without genitals. “Hi Damian!” The sky turned a happy yellow. 
Damian chuckled. “Hello, Jon.”
They gasped. “You! You’re smiling!”
Damian shrugged. “Your excitement is endearing and amusing. Can you contain it to one form?”
Jon looked down at himself, realizing that he was in fact five people. “Uh… How?”
“Just think about it happening.”
Jon concentrated and returned to one person, hugging Damian like a cape. “Hi.” He said in Damian’s ear. “Your ears are pretty.”
“Yours are as well.”
The sky seemed to pulse in laughter. “So… What do you think of my mind?” A purple mist drifted in.
“You do not have to be so anxious, Jon. I love being in your mind.”
The mist was blown off into the atmosphere, the sky shining a bright pink. “You do? Well I love you being here! I never noticed how lonely it was in here before.”
“If you married me, you would never have to be alone again.”
“You want to marry me?!”
“Yes. Jon, come with me, I will show you my Katra.”
“Okay. I’ll follow you anywhere. Why did I say that? I meant to just think it.”
“You cannot hide your feelings in a mind meld, at least psychically weak individuals such as children and psi-null species cannot.” Damian took Jon’s hand and pulled him across into his mind. The pink followed them and flowed into Damian’s grey, lighting the place up with puffy clouds and bright yellow stars. Damian’s mindscape was a desert with red sand and vulcan plants, the sky grey and orange, with Sehlats and organized piles of junk. Damian watched the yellow stars twinkle. ”That’s never happened before.”
“What hasn’t?”
“Look over there.” Damian pointed across the link, where in the distance Damian’s mindscape blended into Jon’s. Jon’s had orange clouds blending in the sky and vulcan plants cropping up. 
“It looks like you’re becoming a part of me.” Jon looked up. “And I’m becoming part of you.”
Damian grinned. “Do you know what this means?!”
“Dami, you’re silly. Of course I don’t, this is my first mind meld.”
Damian spun Jon around happily. “We are T’hy’la! Do you know how rare that is?”
“What’s T’hy’la?”
Damian closed his eyes and scanned Jon’s vocabulary like a glossary. It tingled a bit. “The closest term you are familiar with is soulmate. It means friend, brother-in-arms, lover.”
“So… we’re dating?”
Damian laughed. “Oh my beautiful K’diwa, we are not just dating, we are legally married by vulcan law. You are my husband.”
“Oh.” Jon giggled. “My dad’s gonna be so pissed!”
“He will have to ‘deal with it’. This is irreversible, even if it were possible it would be criminal to do so. T’hy’la connections are rare and sacred.”
“He could prevent us from seeing each other until I turn 18…”
“‘Parted from me and never parted, never and always touching and touched.’” Damian quoted. “It will become apparent what that means when I end the meld.”
“Wait, don’t end it yet! This is so cool, like a lucid dream that you’re in with me.”
“Alright, Jon. What do you wish to do?”
“Um. Can I have another kiss?”
“Of course, K’diwa. Let me show you ozh’esta.” Damian held two fingers out, pressed together. “Hold your hand up like this.” Jon did and Damian pressed their fingers together, lengthwise against width, palm to palm, rubbing them together. 
“I felt you enjoying that!”
“That is the most appropriate kiss to do in public.”
Jon nodded. “Ok now let me kiss you my way.” Jon said, leaning in and tilting his head to the side. They kissed both ways and birds sang out around them. Jon pulled away. “Wow… I could do that forever.”
“According to my internal clock we were doing that for an hour, so I doubt your hyperbole very little.”
“What?! Oh my god, I didn’t even tell my dad I was coming over!”
“Calm down, Ashayam, you’ll break the–” 
Jon gasped, suddenly back in his body. “...Link. Jon, are you okay? I had intended to end the meld more peacefully.”
“Sorry! I didn’t hurt you, did I?”
“I am well, Ashayam. Can you feel me in your mind? Close your eyes.”
Jon closed his eyes and focused on his sensations, until he felt a thread of awareness and tugged on it. It was like a cup and string telephone in his head that he could send and receive feelings as well as thoughts through. Or at least, that’s how he imagined it. “Can you hear me?” He spoke through it.
“Yes, tal-kam.”
“Woah, cool. It’s like we have our own comm badges. How far is the range?”
“As far as I know the strength and delay of the signals is dependent on psychic synergy and emotional connection rather than physical distance.”
“Wow.”
“Another benefit is that nobody can hear us, aside from betazoids.”
“We can talk in class without you getting in trouble! Oh, and like, this could be super useful on missions or something.”
“I will of course teach you how to psychically shield so that you do not share anything with me that you do not wish to.”
“Why would I hide anything from my husband?”
“Everyone requires solitude occasionally.”
“So, now I know you have emotions. I mean, I can feel ‘em.”
“Tt. Of course vulcans have emotions. We are extremely passionate. But yes, you are now privy to my emotional state.”
Jon stared at Damian’s mouth as he talked. “Can I kiss you?” Jon asked, causing Damian to blush.
“A-hem.” Kal said, clearing his throat, hovering with his arms crossed. “Jon? Come here.”
Jon smiled sheepishly. “Hi dad…”
“I apologize for not informing you that I invited your son over, Captain.” Damian said, bowing his head.
“This isn’t your fault, Damian. Jon should have told me he was going to be visiting you.”
“I thought I’d be back before you got home!”
“But you got caught up doing… whatever you were doing. Staring at each other in a dark smelly room? Are you playing pretend cultists?”
“No, Dad, it’s way cooler. Me and Damian are gonna get married.”
Kal arched his eyebrow. “Are you now? Do Damian’s parents know about this?”
“I believe my mother knows, but Jon made an error in his statement. We are, under vulcan laws, already legally married. All that is needed to finalize the paperwork is to be checked over by a vulcan mind-healer.”
Kal furrowed his eyebrows. “Damian, under human and kryptonian laws, Jon is not allowed to be legally married until he turns 18.”
Jon tilted his head. “Does that mean Damian is married to me but I’m not married to him? Does that make him my husband or me his husband?”
“I believe that would make you my husband and me your best friend.” Damian replied.
“That is… not the point. Hold on. Kal-El to Bruce.”
“Yes Captain?”
“Your son is saying he is married to my son? Can you come to your quarters to help sort out this misunderstanding?”
“I will be there right away with his Mother. Bruce out.”
Damian made tea while Jon and Kal sat on the couch in the living room of the family quarters. T’alia arrived first. “Damian, your father said you got into trouble?”
“I did not get into trouble, Mother, I got married.”
T’alia looked at Jon. “Damian, we have no vulcan mind-healers on board.”
“It was unnecessary.” Damian said, sipping his tea. Bruce arrived. 
“T’alia, attend.” Bruce said, holding his hand out for an ozh’esta. T’alia strode over to him to give him a kiss in greeting. 
“Damian, why have you claimed to have married Captain El’s son?” Bruce asked.
“I experienced my first crush and Mother advised me to consider a relationship with Jon. I decided to mind-meld with him in order to test our compatibility. When I did, I discovered we are T’hy’la.”
Bruce looked as shocked as Kal had ever seen him. 
“Congratulations, Damian. This is a momentous occasion. Shall I make your favorite dessert?” T’alia said. Bruce looked at her, surprised.
“How can we be sure the boy is not simply mistaken?” Bruce asked.
“Father, if you require me to prove it, I shall. Take us to vulcan.”
“Damian has always been a very imaginative child, Kal, I apologize–” 
Jon tugged at Kal’s sleeve to get his attention and gave him puppy-dog eyes. “Pleeease?”
Kal closed his eyes, but all he could see in his mind’s eye was the face Jon was no doubt still making. He sighed. “Alright, Jon. We can go to vulcan. Far be it from me to gaslight my own child.”
“Captain that is wildly off course–” Bruce interjected.
“Our current mission is not vital. It can wait a few days.”
Jon could feel Damian’s smugness through the link. “Damian will have persimmon pudding for dessert, Ms. T’alia.” Jon said, smiling. 
“Would you like to stay for dinner, Captain?”
Kal made the mistake of looking at Jon again. He sighed. “Very well. It is always good to foster a strong relationship with my second in command.”
Bruce sighed internally. He had wanted Bajoran crepes. 
Jon raced down the corridors to his room and back. “We can play monopoly while we wait for Ms. Talia to cook the food!”
“Jon, Monopoly is a little bit controversial, don’t you think?”
“Aw, come on dad, they’re vulcans, they’re not gonna get mad.”
Bruce looked at the board game skeptically. “If you two truly are married, this will give you an unfair advantage.”
“Perhaps you may take it as proof, father.”
Kal grinned. “Scared of losing to a child?”
Bruce scoffed. “I will play this game, and best all three of you.”
They began to play but did not finish before dinner was served, though Damian and Jon had come closest to winning.
When they reached Vulcan, Damian had a great time showing Jon around his home planet. Jon was not adversely affected by the heat unlike Lois who met them in orbit and was in the most insulating and covering material they could replicate and still taking medication to adjust to the atmosphere. She may as well have been wearing an EV suit but it was the thought that counted. 
Jon and Damian were alone in the room with the mind healer, though their parents were watching, Lois, Bruce and T'alia through a screen and Kal through the wall. 
The mind healer touched both of their heads and closed her eyes. After fifteen minutes she opened her eyes and spoke ancient Vulcan, then signed a Padd and uploaded the file. She ushered the boys out of the room to meet their parents. 
"Damian explained the unusual situation that lead to him having a one-sided marriage with his T'hy'la, so I added a clause in the marriage contract that Jon would also be married to Damian on his 18th birthday." 
"Unless the marriage is annulled, right?" Lois asked.
She looked at her with a quirked brow. "I'm afraid you won't find a healer willing to annul the marriage of such a strong t'hy'la pair. Ancient superstition would suggest that these two will become renowned in time. Though the link between feats of heroism and T'hy'la bonds are not well studied, as so few cases exist. That brings me to the topic of scientific study; Do you release your sons’ medical records for study?" 
"Of course." T'alia said, Bruce just nodded. 
"Well… the house of El are scientists, isn't that right Jon?" Jon smiled and nodded. "But I'll have to let Lois decide that." Clark answered.
"Can you wait until he turns 18?" Lois asked.
"As you wish. Kal-El, Lois Lane, you should expect the wedding on Damian's 21st birthday. You may hold whatever human or kryptonian ceremonies whenever you wish. Contact us if you have any more questions. I will take my leave." She bowed her head to everyone and walked away. Jon and Damian had been talking the whole time in their minds and so did not notice her leave. 
"Come on Damian, if you hold my hand my parents won't know what it means."
"No. We are on Vulcan, with my Vulcan parents, who will very much know what it means, K'diwa."
"Then kiss me on the lips! Your parents won't know what it means."
"I'm sure my parents must have observed their human shipmates kissing at some point." 
Jon pouted. "But it's our wedding day." 
"The culturally significant date will be on my 21st birthday. Relative to human culture, this is our engagement ceremony." 
"Would you guys mind if I kissed my husband?" Jon asked loudly, puffing his cheeks out.
"Jon, you do not have a husband yet. You are my husband." Damian corrected. 
"You're both too young to be kissing." Kal said, rubbing his forehead. "Dear Rao, how am I going to get you two to behave properly when you can speak telepathically?" 
"Wait until you're older, Jon." Lois said sternly.
Jon narrowed his eyes at his parents and without breaking eye contact grabbed Damian's hand, who froze up and let out a small gasp. Jon smirked at Damian's wordless flustered screaming coming from the link. T'alia and Bruce shared a look. "How are you gonna stop me? I've got all of Dad's powers, I'm faster, and now I'm psychic." 
Damian looked at Jon's face and tried to say something but he was too flustered to speak. 
T'alia and Bruce decided not to tell Kal and Lois about the significance of the gesture, but gave Damian matching reproving looks. 
"Ashayam, please, this is indecent." 
"You say that but I know you don't really want me to stop."
"My love, it does not matter how I feel, what matters is what is logical. Please respect my choice."
Jon let go of Damian's hand and kissed his cheek, then stuck his tongue out at his parents. 
"Jon-El, if you do not respect our decisions as parents we will ground you and you will not be allowed to see Damian at all." Lois said
"It's not fa-air," Jon whined. "Other people get to kiss their husbands." 
"You're thirteen! Life isn't fair! I'm sorry you found out you were t'hy'la with Damian as a preteen but that's just your rotten luck." Lois said.
"Whatever. When will I be old enough to kiss him?" 
"Can you wait one year?" Lois said with her hands on her hips. 
"No, but I'll try…" 
As the years went on, Damian and Jon were finally allowed to be together. Damian enrolled in starfleet academy for engineering as soon as he turned eighteen, and they dated long distance. 
Everyone expected Jon to choose the command track like his father but he chose science and roomed with Damian. They made out a lot but did not have sex since Damian explained that he would become sexually mature all at once when he turned 21 and went into a kind of heat called the pon farr, which would recur every 7 years afterward. 
Jon was willing to be patient, but he got asked out a lot. He always turned people down and would have to rush out of the room to go soothe Damian's jealous rage. Under a pen name, Jon wrote a fictionalized memoir about meeting and falling for his T'hy'la which was read widely by the students at the academy. 
It might seem obvious that students expressly interested in seeking out new life and new civilizations would be xenophiles, but Jon hadn't expected the response to his book to be every Vulcan in the area getting constantly hit on, including his own. 
It got to the point that every time an unfamiliar student approached Damian, he had to ask Jon through their link if he was being flirted with. If Jon said he was, Damian would say "The thought of cheating on my T'hy'la makes me physically ill. Excuse me." Before swiftly walking away. 
Word spread that Damian had a T'hy'la and he became very popular. People would go to him for dating advice or ask him questions about his bond that he would always answer truthfully and with scientific language, often oversharing. 
Damian and Jon took a leave of absence from the academy for Damian's 21st birthday and their wedding, and news got out about the first Vulcan-Kryptonian union and spread around campus, which was when people finally put two and two together about them being together. 
When they graduated, they spent the first 5 years serving on different ships until Damian got a promotion and transferred to Jon's ship. 
Jon was often assigned to away missions since he was the most durable science officer they had, much to Jon's glee since he had so much new xenobiology to study. He wasn't able to publish anything for a long while because he kept having to start new projects, but finally he started using his superspeed before bed as Damian meditated and earned his first promotion to Lieutenant Jr grade. 
After Jon got more attention from the higher ranking officers, saving their lives often, he ranked up quickly. He was able to make Captain and have Damian as his chief engineer before his father became admiral. 
Damian fell in love with their ship and they treated her like their child, too busy to settle down. But then again, with such long lifespans, together they had all the time in the world.
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hauntingblue · 1 year
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I haven't read much of talia/bruce/damian and their relationships but if you take talias want to get her son back after giving damian to bruce as her knowing bruce didn't love jason like he wanted (imo talias way of loving correlates more to what jason wants) and seeing that as lacking for damian, it kinda makes more sense than whatever reason writers are giving her now to have discussions about custody with bruce or whatever
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bluerosefox · 7 months
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Bellatrix Star
A TaliaxDanny idea that came to me.
Damian, Bruce, and the rest of the bats discover the Talia al Ghul they had been fighting against, the one that cloned her own son, had the clone kill him, plant a control device in him when he broke his spine, etc etc was actually not the real Talia al Ghul.
Turned out Ra's had cloned her and killed the original when she discovered his little plans to take over Damain's body and she confronted him about it. Ra's had to make a clone when after tossing a dead Talia into the pits but never returned (he meant to kill her as a warning, as a "you may be my blood but will not hesitate to end you Talia.") It explains so much to Damian when remembers how out of nowhere his mother changed, her training him changed from harsh to deadly, the soft motherly love she would give him when behind closed doors suddenly stopped, the tales she would spin for him about his father no longer whispered to him for bed.
How this was find out?
Well it's hard to ignore the facts that when your foolish grandfather in his quest for immortality summons an eldritch being known as the Ghost King into the Mortal Realm and uses Damian as a sacrifice while his (not) mother watches emotionless.
When the being appeared, plunging the room from green glowing flames and the glow of the Lazarus Pits into darkness before a cosmos exploded to life, its glowing green eyes snapped open in the stars and stared at them all. Making every single one of them feel small, so very small.
It took a single glance around the room before stopping on the al Ghul's. It's eyes widen before a steel and firm look entered them. Just as quick as the cosmos sprang to life, it suddenly swirled away into a ball, putting them all back into the Lazarus room,and reformed in front of them to a more humanish height and body.
When the body, around the height and build of Batman, was done forming it took a step forward and suddenly as one blinked a man stood in front of them. Or rather floated. Snow white hair that flickered and wisped towards a crown made of fire and ice, glowing green eyes that held none of the madness but all of the power the Lazarus Pits could give. His clothing were tailored made that were tastefully a mixture of black and white with some silvers and greens, clothes fit for a King one would say. The cosmos that once engulfed the room had shifted into a cloak that hanged around his body, on one side more than the other (think like how CW wears his only the hood is down).
This, this was no doubt the Ghost King, he stood tall and regal and made everyone in the room feel the need to look down, to bow ones head for even just a moment. Even Ra's had trouble disobeying the urge to do so.
"Well..." the being said, his voice deep but not as gravely as Batman's was "What an interesting way to meet my In-Laws and Step-Son..."
He has said that as he looked towards the al Ghul's. Damian flinched back with a frown of confusion and disbelief while Ra's looked panicked for a second when the words registered into his mind, meanwhile Talia... looked emotionless and barely even twitched.
"What the fu-?" Someone began only to stop when the King lifted his hand and with a snap of his fingers a green portal appeared, it looked almost like the Lazarus Pits but it felt... cleaner? Less angry?
"My Bellatrix, my warrior star. I believe I've been summoned to your home dimension. And judging by the looks of it your father created a barely functioning Mirror of you and planned on using your son as a sacrifice to me." He spoke out towards the portal before holding his hand out.
A hand appeared from the portal, a slender hand and with green and black painted nails manicure to perfection before someone walked through it as they took hold of the Ghost King's offering hand.
Standing in front of them was another Talia, only this one looked a tad older than the one in the room. She wore clothing that matched the King to a T but even then, as always, Talia looked deadly in it. Beautiful but very deadly. From the heels she wore to the crown upon her head, a crown made of not ice and fire but of stars and black jewels. Her eyes were sharp as she stared at everyone in the room, frown on her painted lips, but her eyes lit with a small soft joy when she saw Damian only for them to turn poisonous when they landed on Ra's and the other Talia nearby.
"I should had know you would had created a Mirror of me instead of admitting to my son you killed me Father." Queen Talia spat out. "The least you could had done was not make my Mirror so cheaply, it doesn't even have a proper soul attached to it."
#danny phantom#danny fenton#blue rambles#crossover#writing ideas#random idea#danny phantom dc#dpxdc#dcxdp#i forgot Danny and Talia's ship name#Talia was killed when she confronted her father when she found out his plans to take over her son's body#she was tossed in the pits and was meant to return to life but a portal opened up as she was brought back#she landed in Danny's garden and in a Pit Rage attacked any ghost in sight#Danny was called in noticed the Rage and knocked her out before taking her to Frostbite#they find out she is very liminal#like near halfa levels like she just needs something to kill and bring her back at the same time levels.#Talia raged and wept when she woke up#she was told she was in the Infinite Realms and what the Lazarus Pits actually were and that they were going to try to find her a way home#but because the Infinite Realms were well Infinite it was like looking for a needle in haystack#it takes a while and some talks with Jazz but Talia eventuality begins to try to make the most of her life within the Infinite Realms#and the only world is was always connected to#she does eventually fall for Danny though. things happened and Talia can sense her love for Bruce fizzle out and begin to grow for Danny#who never once asked her to change her deadly and swift ways#Danny was the Ghost King now. he understands that sometimes a quick and hard hand needs to be used.he is a fair and just King not a doormat#Danny accidentally called Talia Bellatrix one day. after the female warrior star in the sky. she is deadly and beautiful to him#Talia liked it a lot and well showed him how much she liked it#eventually they date and get married. Talia is in charge of the spy network for the Kingdom encase of anyone gets any bright ideas#Talia loves her new life. the one without her father or Bruce trying to control or changer her. She wishes for Damian though still.#Danny's been on the look out for her world when she told him everything. He wants to meet and learn about his step-son#he hopes he'll like the 'I'm sorry I married your mother without your permission but I would love your blessing.' gifts he had commissioned
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Hey, I started reading Robin son of Batman because of your recommendation (I literally have a print of your post on my phone to not forget lol). Honestly? One of the best things I ever read!!!
Thank you for opening my eyes! Damian has been one of my favorite characters for over a year, but I didn't read/watch much of him because of school, life (and probably an executive dysfunction in the mix).
Maya is incredible. I loved her.
I haven't finished all the issues yet, but do you have any other recommendations?
WAH this makes me so happy, i'm glad you still gave it a shot even with how busy life is!! ;v;
i’d love to give reccs, and i’ll try to go a beginner friendly route! tbh you can pick up whatever here, but since you've read R:SOB i’d immediately follow up with Batman and Robin (2011) #1-8! this first arc is what’s referred to in Maya’s introduction, and it's just. so good.
Main Books
Batman and Robin (2009)
Dick as Batman with Damian as his Robin!
#20-22 Tree of Blood: Dark Knight vs White Knight arc is done by Tomasi and Gleason, the team for the next Batman and Robin series
*Batman and Robin (2011)
Bruce and Damian figuring out their relationship as both Batman & Robin and father & son
imo you can enjoy the ride and read straight through this but i’ll add context to avoid as much confusion as possible since there’s the occasional tie-in or offscreen events, like Damian’s death nbd
Batman Incorporated (2012) #1-10
events leading to Damian's death - affects Batman and Robin (2011) from issue #18
kind of a tough read especially with how Talia's written, but a lot of iconic bits like Batcow, Damian's vegetarian declaration, Alfred the cat, "We Were the Best, Richard."
Robin (2021)
another self-discovery adventure, particularly after Alfred’s death and a fallout with Bruce (and questionable writing choices from his last Teen Titans run)
Batman and Robin (2023)
currently ongoing! after a number of events, Bruce and Damian are back as a duo
Damian Dynamics!
Batman: Streets of Gotham (2009) #7, 10-12
arc where Damian meets one of his first Gotham friends, Colin Wilkes
Batgirl (2009) #5-7, #17
Steph and Damian dynamic! "the bad cop, worse cop" dysfunctional duo
Red Robin (2009) #13-14
early Tim and Damian dynamic that of course includes fighting haha. funny enough, accidentally my first intro to Damian LOL
Teen Titans (2003) #89-92
Dick!Batman has Damian join the Teen Titans. Start of Damian and Rose Wilson dynamic that’s extended in Robin (2021)
Batman: Gates of Gotham (2011)
Damian meets Cass and has a brief team up
Gotham Academy (2015) #7
Damian meets Maps Mizoguchi! they have a few other meetings, but outside of that the series itself is a great read!
Robin War Event (2015)
Robin War (2015) #1, Grayson (2014) #15, Detective Comics (2011) #47, We Are Robin (2015) #7, Robin: Son of Batman (2015) #7, Robin War (2015) #2
Duke and Damian dynamic! not exactly beginner friendly but these are the main issues in order for the event! you can also read the TPB version for everything including Tie-Ins
Nightwing (2016) #16-20, #42, #43
#16-20 Nightwing and Robin arc!
#42 Dick on a mission to save Damian! the one appearance of "Wiggles" the dragon
#43 Dick, Roy, and Damian team-up
New Talent Showcase 2018 "Catwoman: Pedigree"
Selina, Damian, and Alfred the cat
Batman: Prelude to the Wedding - Robin vs. Ra's Al Ghul (2018)
Selina, Damian, and Cheese Viking - Damian's fav game shown in Nightwing: Rebirth (2016)
Monkey Prince (2022) #1-4
Marcus Sun Shugel-Shen's main comic, but Damian features as a fun dynamic here before they're in more serious circumstances in Batman VS Robin (2022)/Lazarus Planet event
Superman (2016) #10 - 11
the beginning of the Super Sons! featuring Maya!
Super Sons (2017)
solitary arcs but there’s a few event tie-in issues later
Adventures of the Super Sons (2018)
literally more Super Sons adventures lol galactic shenanigans yeehaw
Challenge of the Super Sons (2020) 
Super Sons time shenanigans feat. the Justice League
Robin 80th Anniversary (2020)
"Boy Wonders" - brief Damian feature as Tim considers his next step in life
"My Best Friend" - Jon's thoughts on Damian and their dynamic
"Bat and Mouse" - refers to Damian's unfortunate Teen Titans (2016) run at the time of release which follows up with Teen Titans Annual #2 where Damian briefly gives up Robin
Extra Comics!
Superman/Batman (2003) #77
Kara and Damian in a Halloween team-up! also the appearance of "Li'l Matches" lol
DCU Halloween Special '09 "Cavity Search"
Damian out on a solo mission for Halloween night. Immediately after is Tim's Red Robin story "Then and Now: Our Father's Sins" which is more somber in contrast but also a good read!
DCU Halloween Special 2010 "Robin the Vampire Slayer"
a Dick!Batman and Robin story featuring the vampire Andrew Bennett
Cursed Comics Cavalcade (2018) "The Devil You Know"
Halloween themed comic with a sweet short story of Damian alongside Solomon Grundy
DC's Terrors Through Time (2022)
"Trick or Treat" a Super Sons Halloween story
"The Haunting of Wayne Manor" Damian and Deadman story - in the end, Boston kinda refers to Nezha's possession of Damian in Batman VS Robin (2022) which was happening at the time of this release
Batman: Li'l Gotham (2013)
lighthearted series that instantly makes me smile with the silliness and Dustin Nguyen’s art i love this dearly
Secret Origins (2014) #4 "A Boy's Life"
a retelling of Damian's origin story
Detective Comics (2016) #1001-1005
Batman and Robin vs the Arkham Knight (unrelated to the game)
Truth & Justice (2021) #6/#16 - 18 Digital First version
cute story of Damian’s birthday! Juni Ba’s art is so fun!!
DC Festival of Heroes: The Asian Superhero Celebration (2021) “Special Delivery”
short story about Damian! and poisoned pizzas. completely forgot the artist Sami Basri drew Rebirth Damian here before catboy Damian lol Cass’s story “Sounds” is also cute! Marcus makes his first appearance in "The Monkey Prince Hates Superheroes"
DC VS Vampires (2021)
Damian makes appearances throughout this elseworlds book, but the one-shot DC VS Vampires: Hunters (2022) is vampire Damian-centric!
Batman: Black and White (2021) #5
“Father & Son Outing” short story written and drawn by Jorge Jimenez!
Batman: Urban Legends (2021) #20-23
#20 “My Son” Talia and Bruce focus
#20 - 23 “The Murder Club” 4 Parts
Tiny Titans (2008) #33, #39, #45, #47
a few appearances but SO CUTE, LOOK AT HIM
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*Batman and Robin (2011) reading guide
i'm mostly trying to avoid the "what did i just walk in on?" kinda feeling when i first started reading comics LOL i'll list the comics where events take place, but you don't necessarily have to read them to go through this book since things are usually explained as quickly as possible in the first page or so
#0 Someday Never Comes
Talia and baby Damian before he grows up to meet Bruce
#1-8 Born to Kill
just an incredibly solid arc for Bruce and Damian!
#9 Court of Owls Tie-In Issue
Damian VS a Court of Owls Talon. While Bruce is occupied with a home invasion of Talons, Alfred makes a call for allies to protect targeted Gotham public figures from Talons. During Batman (2011) #1-11
#10-12 Terminus
Damian challenges the previous Robins sans Steph
Batman Incorporated (2012) is occurring at this time where Talia has placed a bounty on Damian and there's small mentions of that
#13-14 Eclipsed/Devoured
mostly solitary arc! end of it leads into the Death of the Family event
#15-16 Death of the Family Tie-In Issues
Damian and Joker face-off... Alfred's been kidnapped by the Joker, and Damian goes looking for him. During Batman (2011) #13-17
#17 Life is but a Dream - Death of the Family Epilogue
a sort of subconscious check-in through the dreams of Damian, Alfred, and Bruce. Nightwing (2011) #17 features Damian encouraging Dick after Death of the Family events
#18 Undone "Requiem"
Bruce dealing with Damian's death from Batman Incorporated #8
other reactions to Damian's death: Dick in Nightwing (2011) #18, Tim in Teen Titans (2011) #18
#19-23 Denial, Rage, The Bargain, Despair, Acceptance
Bruce through the stages of grief with some batfam appearances in each. also introduces Carrie Kelley into continuity as Damian's acting tutor.
Batman (2011) #19-20 also addresses Bruce's loss
#23.1-23.4
these could be skipped - villain stories, also related to Forever Evil event.
#24-28 The Big Burn
optional Batman and Two-Face/Harvey Dent arc, #23.1 is part of this story!
Damian's resurrection and return
#29-32 The Hunt for Robin
Ras took Talia and Damian's bodies from their graves, and Bruce goes after him.
-> Robin Rises: Omega
continues events from #32. if you don't want to jump to this, basically, Glorious Godfrey and a bunch of parademons from Apokolips are here for a chaos shard which Ra's put in Damian's sarcophagus. at some point, Bruce gets a hold of the shard where he sees a vision that leads him to believe Damian can be resurrected. Godfrey ends up taking the shard, along with Damian's body since it was emitting the same energy.
#33-37 Robin Rises
Bruce hellbent on retrieving Damian from Apokolips and reviving him
-> Robin Rises: Alpha
necessary to read and continues events from #37! Damian's back with a bang lol
#38-40 Superpower
Damian adjusting to having superpowers and being alive again
Annual #1 2013 Batman Impossible
sweet (and funny) one-shot of Damian sending Bruce on a meaningful scavenger hunt around the world while Damian gets to be the cutest Batman for a bit
Annual #2 2014 Batman and Robin: Week One
one-shot takes place during Damian's absence. after Bruce and Alfred find a mystery gift left for Dick, Dick recounts a story he had told Damian from his Robin days.
Annual #3 2015 Moonshot
one-shot Batman and Robin adventure on the moon!
...and of course after Batman and Robin (2011), Damian's story continues in his first solo Robin: Son of Batman (2015)!
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More Damian Wayne headcanon
Because I can and this time is more about future(?) and batkids siblings and I'll also talk about some canon points, then please respect
Damian is not a Bruce clone, then he won't become a bodybuilder like his father when he grow up, but he will be more like Ra's and Talia side, something tall and elegant (and long hair like his grandfather)
Damian sees heritage as something very important, this is more on the cultural side than really a title, he is of Arab and Chinese descent so it is obvious that the issue of him being Batman's son and the devil's grandson is something important, no as a title but with cultural value and perhaps a curse
Look being Batman or Demon Head (I hate when DC is lazy and do this) is is for him a birthright, a duty as a member of that family and also a curse
I know Americans don't really understand the weight of this, but it's something of extreme cultural importance
So you can imagine what a funny thing it was when Dick stole the chair and now we have a Nightwing!Damian or whatever title the boy has brought for himself
if DC keep written Batman like that, I think Bruce and Damian's relationship will end up becoming "I still respect you, but I want distance" something worn similar to Dick and Bruce's relationship
Speaking of family relationships, Damian gives a lot of value and respect to family, just look at his relationship with his mother and grandfather, even his relationship with his cousin. They will fight to the death one day and the next they will be sitting around eating vegetarian food together
At this point I believe that stabbing a family member to see if they is worthy of staying in the family is an Al Ghul thing, Ra's started it as a big joke and they all continue it out of tradition and because it is also funny, one bonding family activity (Talia just never explained this inside joke to Bruce because she wants to annoy him)
Damian is an altruist and a lowkey suicidal (these two combinations together is what led to his death - he sacrificed himself for Gotham; and you can see it when he choice give his clone a sanctuary and also create a sanctuary for those kids in that tournament) and his family lives in fear of those events repet again
When adult he just don't give a fuck about Justice League, even when he is recognized as a great hero, Damian has no patience for any of them but he can helps if Jon, Kor'i or Connor Hawke ask for help if it's another hero, he'll say no
in the future Damian become the Jason Todd of the Al Ghul family
child and teen Damian talk about the cool older sister he has occasionally, much to the brothers' dismay, Bruce confirms the girl's existence, saying that Damian adopted her as a sister. The batkids meet Maya eventually
Occasionally Damian can also talk about his cool older brother from League but he refuses to elaborate this one
One night, when the batkids were gathered to eat a batburger, Duke asked as a joke how long it would take for Damian to adopt a child and this makes everyone relive unresolved childhood traumas. Duke just sits back and eats fries while enjoying the chaos, as now everyone is making calculations about the odds of this happening or not
when everyone finally calms down, Duke (again by pure menace) asks what kind of child Damian is most capable of adopting, and all the screaming and calculations starts again (Bruce lowkey traumatized everyone)
Tim says he (the kid) will be an assassin, so he (Damian) can save the child like Dick saved him. Dick says he (the kid) will be a little stalker who is charming the big hero. Jason calls them cowards because how sure are they that the child will be a boy and not a girl? And at some point they start debating whether the dead Robin's curse will follow these children
Duke Thomas has a good time that night
and now every member of the family has an emergency kit for the hypothetical child that Damian will adopt
Damian can use magic, but he never brings it up. The brothers suspect that he can - due to their blood heritage with Ra's - so they each (separately) have a contingency plan in case someone reacts badly to the fact that Damian knows how to use magic
Let's me explain: once they are all grown up, they don't want to go back to Damian's early days where a brother distrusts Damian in the house, individually they all understand that Damian is his own person and there is no reason to fight anymore, but they don't trust in the reaction between them (Bruce lowkey made everyone paranoid), so this contingency plan is in case "hey Damian can use magic, but now one of my brothers/Batman is mad at him again in the most nosense way, so I'm going to protect my little brother and not let This stupid member of my family hurts my little brother"
Dick reaction: "Oh this is actually more beautiful than I thought….but have you already talked about this with Bruce? He and Tim might react badly because of Ra's, so if you've already told them, we can leave the country until things calm down. Actually I have a spy friend who can help you, you like pandas, right?"
Jason reaction: "oh shit, oh shit, We have a problem now...I already told them that I'm injured and they will know that you healed me, so I want you to take my plane and go to Kor'i, I can talk to her on the phone, she owes me a favor then she will let you stay on her planet due to Bruce and the replacement's reaction because ...you know Ra's' paranoia"
Tim reaction: "I knew it! but I think now we have a problem, your father still have resentment about your grandfather then...take my keys and go to my house, I'll text Bernard about this don't worry, do you want me to pick up your pets?"
and things go this way (they most fear for Bruce bad reaction than anything else)
when kid Damian had the habit of sleeping with the sound of the Batmobile's engine, all the family members have carried him to bed more than once because of this
One night, when Damian is around 17~19 years old, Steph asks him to paint on her wall in her new apartment, in the end she gives him a ride back home and, to her surprise, Damian fell asleep on the passenger seat in the same way he always did as a child
This news made all the brothers always offer him a ride at night, Dick even bought an blanket exclusively for this (one time the baby brother is always the baby brother)
Some batkid headcanon: Damian || Duke || Cassandra || Stephanie || Tim || Jason || Dick
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So I've seen DPxDC stories where Danny is Damian's twin brother or just full blood sibling in general and not biologically a Fenton at all, where he's Bruce and Maddie's son, Talia and Jack's son, stories where he's either Bruce or Talia's kid with some other random person and was adopted by the Fentons.
Stories where either Jack or Maddie is Ra's kid and Danny (and Jazz) are thus Damian's maternal first cousins.
I've even seen a few stories where Danny was just literally Ra's son, either by blood or by adoption.
I know of one specific post where Danny is Dusan's son and Mara's older brother, but that's it.
I have yet to see a single prompt where either of Danny's parents are descended of either Dusan or Nyssa even though both of them are far more than old enough to be grandparents.
Hell, Dusan is calculated to be around 750 years old by some people, while Nyssa canonically had her bloodline wiped out by the Nazis, a bloodline that included a great grandson and she has a confirmed birth year of 1775 (so she'd be nearly 250 years old in modern day).
So the idea of Damian's first cousin being an adult pushing 50 with kids older than Damian himself would be completely logical (if you go ahead of sticking the show aged DP characters into the 2020s).
Though to be honest if we go this route I'd pick different Fenton Parents and generational displacement from Ra's depending on which of Ra's kids Danny and Jazz are descended from.
If they're descended from Dusan, then I'd pick Jack as being his son, and Mara's older half brother, who is older than her by like 46 years.
The Fenton's are actually aware of their connection to a quasi-immortal assassin, but Jack and Maddie do their best to keep their kids out of that life.
Which Dusan isn't supper accepting about. But he also only discovered Jack when he was already an adult, and if he wants to be invited to his grandkid's birthdays and be allowed to drop Mara off at the Fenton house to be watched he just kind of has to accept that his son and grandchildren aren't interested in the Al Ghul legacy.
While if it's Maddie who's descended from the Al Ghul bloodline, then I'd want her and Alicia to be descended from Nyssa's line, specifically Vasily Vasilevich, Nyssa's great grandson.
Nyssa thinks he's killed by the Nazi's like the rest of her descendants but because he's an infant someone actually manages to smuggle him away before he actually enters any camp. He eventually ends up smuggled all the way to the United States, where he's given a new name, and raised as an American by the family that took him as their own while fleeing from the Nazi's and smuggled him to the state's in the first place.
So Maddie and Alicia are both Nyssa's great great granddaughters, while Danny, Jazz, and Dani are Nyssa's great great great grandchildren. The Fenton's (and Walkers if we go ahead with making that Maddie and Alicia's maiden names), have no idea that they're descended from a weird eco terrorist assassin cult...
Until Jazz insists on the family doing one of those at home dna tests after Maddie casually dropped family lore about how her dad wasn't the biological child of her grandparents, and that they'd ended up taking him in when fleeing Europe from Nazi persecution, and no one knew who his birth parents were or if any of his biological family survived or not. Or even the name his biological parents gave him.
Jazz just thinks this is going to be a fun family history project where nothing weird will happen, unbeknownst to her Tim Drake has created backdoor access to every single one of those at home dna testing databases he can find, specifically looking for hits on the Al Ghul family tree.
That man might be old as fucking dirt, but Talia's existence (and backstory of being conceived at Woodstock with a random hippy lady) is proof that Ra's is more likely than not still producing swimmers and going around banging random women much to Tim's horror.
And Tim wants to know if any oopsie Al Ghuls pop out of the woodwork before Ra's does, at the very least to try and prevent any more from getting indoctrinated into the League of Assassins.
I just feel like either one of these would really hammer home that Ra's line really is comprised of largely unaging immortals (if they have access to a Lazarus pit and want to), who's outer age doesn't really reflect their actual age at all.
WIth Mara and Jack being half siblings but also like 40+ years apart in age, or Maddie being Nyssa's great great granddaughter but looking basically the same age.
Because DC's never really pushes that when it comes to Ra's. Sure all of his kids are adults, but all of them are also seem to be frozen between the ages of like 30 to 50 years old, with Ra's himself looking around 70-ish, and then all of his grandkids (who we get to see) are literal children.
So if you were to take a family picture of Ra's and the descendants (who matter and) we get to see in the comics, it would just look like a normal family portrait or family tree. The grandparent looks 20-30 years older then the Parents/Aunt/Uncle generation, who looks 20-30 years older than the child generation.
Like I just feel there should be more family line fuckery going on with the Al Ghul family than there is in canon.
Or hell you could make Jack or Maddie Talia's kid if you go with the really old canon of Talia also actually being a lot older but using the Lazarus Pits to stay physically young. I think she's like 150 in that continuity but using the pits to stay in her 30s or so.
Then you could just have Jazz or Danny show up and Damian introduce them to the Batfam as his niece and nephew, played best with Damian being around ten, but Danny and Jazz in their late teens or even early 20s.
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Twins, minus the Demon (Part 1)
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When Damian and Danyal were created, it was not to become the League's successors, but to be the children for the trio to raise.
It didn't work, eveyrhting shattered when Ra's Al Ghul found out about the heirs.
Their Umi, Talia, went back to the League when the two were taken, Mother and Father none the wiser.
And so, they were trained carefully beneath the watchful eye of their grandfather.
Until they were 10.
Talia, Umi, revolved against the leader of the league and sent her boys to Gotham. She kickstarted a war with a battle cry, holding her sword up and chin never lowered.
Knowing Umi would be back, because she always did come back, they separated and planned.
Damian left with Father, Danyal with Mother.
Neither knew of the other, lest they ruin the suprise after all.
Like cats on a mission, truly.
Studying his self-proclaimed blood son, he noticed with sadness that he had Talias eyes, her tan, and walked just like her.
Yet he also reminded him of Selina, with the swiftness of a cat, eyes never straying and only satisfied when succeeded. He mildly notes he had her unruly curls with amusement.
He was a mix of demon and cat, but also with the spice of bat.
Stubborn like him, never backing down and always fighting.
He wonders why Talia left them, hiding a secret child along.
The spot for Robin was free, Tim having renamed himself with a new hero alias and finally flying from the nest.
Bruce should tell Selina, with his new Robin by his side.
While the man mourned, Selina had been enlightened when her eyes met his.
It was bittersweet in a way, to know the woman you loved had hidden a child from her and Bruce, but it also brought hope.
Because wherever talia was, this, this proves she didn't leave for nothing.
Selina sees the similarities between her and Danyal, he was quick-witted, let his emotions in the moment lead, and loves just as fierce as Talia does.
She also sees his hair curl just like her own, blue eyes that can only be from Bruce, lighter in shade than Talia is and with the matching paranoia of the bat included.
And she sent her son to her.
Their son.
Because she couldn't take care of him right now, something happened, and it forced her hand and focused on protecting the child first.
It meant one day, she would come back.
To her, to them.
She needs to introduce him to Bruce.
While Robin had his fair time as vigilante sidekick, Ragdoll robbed the rich and made sure to tease the other as much as possible.
It wasn't until they met, that the light was flipped and the truth revealed.
(For being such a old guy, Danyal really tips his head to Dick, the guy figured him out in a second, not far behind was Tim.)
(He really should have concealed his eyes, would have been more fun.)
They met on a rooftop, Catwoman leaning on a gargoyle as her little helper stood by her side.
(Catwoman wasn't fooled as easy, it took just a few longer glances that she'd figured out the switch.)
The bat's and birds on the other side, and soon enough, Batman gestures to his Robin, who steps forward.
Mirroring the bird, so did the cat.
"This is Robin." He introduces, and selina bites her laughter back, because–
That's her boy, or apparently, one of her boys.
"Ragdoll." She gives a fleeing smile, tilting her head to her apprentice.
"Okay, so, Nightwing, Red Robin and Black Bat immediately figured it out." Robin speaks up, two firm grips on his costume, and one tug has him dressed as his cat counterpart. He seems sheepish.
(Dick in particular is leaning forward with a wide grin, dragged behind him is Jason, interested but stubborn.)
"Tt," Ragdoll throws his own costume away, revealing Robin. "You need more practice. It took catwoman only 3 hours. I win."
The boy walks forward to his twins side, it seemed to amuse catwoman even more.
"Nuh uh! Technically speaking Batman didn't even know!"
Both pointedly look at the clad in black outfit wearing man, frozen stiff and looking between the two.
"Really, father?" Another 'tt' and Robin grumbles. "Fine, I'll take you to the stupid milkshake cafe."
Cheering, Ragdoll is throwing his arms around Robin's neck, dangling in front of his, the older twin having a secure grip on the black collar, lest Ragdoll fall.
"I get my milkshake!" Robin only seems more exasperated at his behaviour, shaking his head.
With delight and literally vibrating from his spot, Nightwing jumped at the two, staring between them with curiosity.
With his lead, so did the other birds and bats, teasing and playfully giving them head pats.
"Twins?" Batman's gruff voice breaks through the little gathering they have.
"Yes, father." The firstborn easily replies, the second only following behind. "Umi didn't want to overwhelm you and Catwoman when she sent us here. Don't be mad?"
"Now that we're talking about this, neither explained your circumstances nor why now?" She nears them with her cat like dance, slipping next to Batman and leaning into his side.
Both twins share a look.
"Umi was adamant that we'd meet and get along first before bringing in our situation." Robin explains, his voice is steady yet unsure in the way only a child with recent loss could sound.
"It's not that she didn't trust you," Ragdoll explains to Batman when the man looked like he wanted to interject. "Umi knew you'd help us regardless of our blood connection."
They share another look, one fiddles with his hands, the other having a steady grip on his hilt.
"This is no conversation for anyone to hear, we can't risk being found because we slacked off in security."
The twin wearing leather and cat ears snorts, mischief twinkling, and jumping forward to give Red Robin a pat on the chest.
A smile only a cat could wear takes over, and with joy he hollers. "Tag! Your it!"
Not even a second later, he was thrown over Robins shoulder and both skedaddled to the cave.
"Tt, truly experts, to freeze like that on a rooftop. Assassins could have easily killed all of you in that moment."
Robins tease echoes through the comm and causes them all to unfreeze.
With a huff of laughter, Red Hood pushed Nightwing to RR as sacrifice and bolted after the twins.
A yelp and Nightwing was swiftly tagged, RR disappearing with Spoiler in tow.
When he searches for a target, both Batman and Catwoman are already gone.
"Aw man."
In the end, Robin comfortably sits at the chair in front of the batcomputer, Ragdoll on the arm rest with his legs tossed out on the others lap.
"You guys are so slow!"
As the other mile around, Damian and Dnyal exchange hushed whispers, only drawn out when Batman urges them by clearing his throat.
"Okay, this won't be easy," Danny drawls the words, fumbling with Damians hair instead.
The other scowls but does nothing else. "First of all, Umi did not leave you willingly." He speaks loud and clear, mask off and staring at Bat and Cat.
"She never planned on leaving, but complications arose with our birth."
Smiling nervous, Danny takes over.
"You're familiar with our grandfather, yes?" At the nods, he grimaces. "When he heard he had potential heirs, he kidnapped us once born. Umi had to follow immediately, lest one of us dies because grandfather wasn't careful."
"She couldn't exactly flee either, with two toddlers, so what she could do, she did. It might not have been the best childhood, but umi did her best!"
While the children of the bat stay mostly silent, Bruce, without cowl, and Selina don't.
"Why now? Why did she send you two at 10?"
Damian drums his fingers on the others legs laid out on him, humming.
"On our 10th birthday, Grandfather gave us a rather... peculiar mission." He winces at the explanation, those words bring no truth of the situation to light.
"What akhi means, we're twins." Dnany holds up two fingers. "Two people, one destiny. Grandfather did not like that two remained, seeing as only one can become the next Demon head."
Someone took a sharp intake of air somewhere, he can't really focus, the memories are not pleasant ones he'd get reminded of.
"Umi didn't let it happen," Damian drawls, massaging Danyal's fingers with bored expression, the forced nonchalance doesn't fool anyone.
"She swung her sword and declared war on grandfather. It was the start of a civil war in the league, dangerous to us for we were still known as heirs."
Danny meets Selinas eyes. "Umi didn't just send us here because of the chance, it was also for protection. With groups joining the civil war for the throne, some might have the idea to kill off the heirs, us in this situation."
A wince and he starts blabbering. "Not that I'd like to die in the next few hours, or days, or weeks, or—"
"You're rambling, daynal."
"Sorry akhi."
With a wave of his hand, Batman nods at the rest of the bat's and birds, they leave to continue patrol.
Silence in the cave, only interrupted by drops of water and the clicks of the bat's above them.
"Thank you." Her voice is soft as she walks to them, heels clicking on the ground. Her gloved hands ruffle the ebony hair of the two and brings them into a hug.
"We will protect you, love you and wait for Umi to come back," Selina declares with careful words, nails running through thick curly hair.
Damian and Danyal can't argue otherwise, the other not as comfortable as his counterpart with the hug, but leaning in neverless.
This will be a journey, neither parents having had twins before and growing back closer with them.
(When talia left, Bruce and Selina grew apart. It brought tension they'd ignore in publics eye, vulnerable moments only for the other to see and so much mourning.)
(Talia is not back, but her children are. Their children. Wonderful twins that will stomp and smash the tension between them and bring back what Talia took.)
(They cannot wait for the day their third will rejoin them.)
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devine-fem · 25 days
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What do you think about Damian’s relationship with his parents?
Bruce.
One thing I do notice is that he treats Damian way differently than he treats his other Robins. Whether or not it was because of how writers treated his blood relation to Bruce or them thinking Damian deserved little to no compassion.
He calls Jason, Dick and Tim petnames when they’re Robin, not always cutesy but still hold mentor-like charm but… he just will refer to Damian as ‘boy’ and not even son.
Bruce kind of refused to get Damian any normal psychological help and throughout his childhood, he was just very absent. He expected so much of Damian but at the same time would expect nothing from him and he constantly feels like he needs to be better for him or else he will not be loved.
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That doesn’t mean Bruce isn’t there when it counts, I do think he cares for Damian greatly but just has his own way of showing it which must be so confusing for a little boy.
Writers are trying to make it so Bruce is this picture in the frame kind of Dad but I don’t know if this does their characters any good as charming as it seems.
Talia.
Firstly, I would like to say that if you think Talia is this emotionally abusive, manipulative mother to Damian then you’re very much wrong. She’s not free of her actions in canon but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t love him with her whole heart.
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She does. The whole point of letting him become Robin was to give him foundation, and choice in his path because she loves him so and wants him to have the freedom she never had.
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She’s a victim herself. She’s the daughter of Ra’s al Ghul, but everything she has ever done for Damian has come from a place of love and adoration of him. It has to make sense to her.
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She’s a mother. She’s crawled out of hell for that boy.
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He’s always sought acceptance. He wants to belong and I don’t think either of his parents see him as enough.
Bruce most of the time either ignores him or yells at him. Bruce is the one who demands for him to be better, not Talia, she wants him think that she loves him as he is but this isn’t always true. She’s not exempt from the trauma and abuse she put Damian through but that doesn’t mean she’s to blame for her own abuse as she’s a victim herself and that’s why she acts this way. That’s why at times he chooses to leave to escape this.
Damian has been taught by the blade, by servants and assassins, that coupled with his craving to be perfect has driven him emotionally into a pit where he’s cold and distant.
Speaking of which, people like to talk about Dick and Damian’s relationship of being parental but I think that’s more of a batfam stan fanon thing. I don’t think this would do either of the characters any good.
If you want to seek familial and fatherly relationships that Damian has then look to Alfred.
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Even early into his development, Alfred was one person who was willing to hear Damian out and be there for him. When Bruce wasn’t around, Alfred was, as it was like this for many Robins before him but… Alfred’s passing is a great part if Damian’s character because with what he’s been through - it makes him care greatly for him as if he was a father.
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Bat Family AU wherein it’s Janet Drake who survives the Obeah Man’s attack instead of Jack.
Tim’s already Robin, she’s in the coma, and all that. However, when she wakes up, things are a little different. She still buys the mansion next door to Wayne Manor, but she’s happy to accept any help Bruce wants to offer in regards to Tim so he can just say “I’m going to Bruce’s” and she’ll just check that he either did his homework or is bringing it with him. She doesn’t expect Tim to help with her treatment or transport and certainly doesn’t expect a fourteen year old to help out at Drake Industries.
She hires a physical therapist to visit the house every day (Dana, so she’s still a part of Tim’s life, if in a slightly smaller role). She still hires Mrs. Mac as their new maid. She also hires a driver, as well as a new COO to help her bring Drake Industries back after it had gone stagnant in her absence.
The twist? The COO is Talia Head (aka Talia al Ghul).
When Janet learns that Talia has two sons -one, barely a few years older than Tim, the other, a few years younger- she suggests they move into the mansion with them while Talia looks for a place (it works out well enough that they end up staying long-term). Talia introduces Bruce and Tim to Damian early (Jason initially hides out in her side of the mansion since he’s not ready to see Bruce yet and Talia is not forcing his hand on that). Damian is still a spoiled brat at first, but since they’re introduced as allies rather than rivals, Tim and Damian end up getting along great once he’s settled down a bit (and with Talia, Janet, and Jason working together to help him).
Talia killed the Joker upon moving to Gotham (no way was that clown getting near any of her boys again) so while Jason’s mad at Bruce, he still feels he has a parent who loved him enough to cross that line. It also helped to counter Shelia’s betrayal a little and balance out his feelings about parents overall, particularly his mother figures. One mother loved him and tried her best but was given a bad hand, another gave him up to the Joker to save herself some trouble, the last severed ties with her father (whose thumb she’d been under for hundreds of years) and risked the ire of the man she loved to protect him.
The younger boys (Tim & Damian) pretty much split their time between Wayne Manor and the Drake Mansion.
Which gives Janet and Talia plenty of time to build up Drake Industries and take over the Court of Owls on the side.
Instead of making/controlling the talons as the previous Court did, they put them to rest and just send Jason or a few of Talia’s trusted assassins (including Pru, who came to Gotham with her) to fill in the role.
Jason learns more about how and why Tim became Robin this time, so while he’s still pissed at Bruce, he doesn’t take any of it out on the Boy Wonder or anyone else. He even helps with Tim’s training (and his English homework). Jason still takes over a good portion of the Gotham drug/arms circuit and gets to do his big dramatic reveal to Bruce/Batman after fucking with him a bit, only it’s as Talon. His new plan is more of a Bat-level EXTRA guilt trip that keeps going on even after he’s started accompanying his little brothers to the Manor. And he’s a little more focused on protecting his little brothers.
Until Jason decided he wanted the do said big dramatic reveal, Bruce had no idea that the Court of Owls was real or that Janet and Talia had taken it over. He knew something had shifted in Gotham, some cases were going too easily and someone was taking out certain threats before they could become an issue. He’d be working under the theory that there was a new vigilante in town.
It had honestly been driving him a little nuts that he couldn’t find them -that’s part of why Jason decided they needed to get everything out in the open, it was stressing out Tim & Dami.
Neither Janet nor Talia will bow to Bruce’s wishes regarding anything, and he won’t bow to theirs, so the three of them end up working together as equals in a way Bruce doesn’t usually do. He ends up actually liking it, as it makes life a lot less stressful when he isn’t assuming full responsibility for everything and everyone around him.
Alfred, Clark, and Diana have each thanked Janet and Talia in their own way. Dick thanked Janet but he still doesn’t like Talia.
When Cass enters the picture, she gets two honorary moms, Babs gets to just be the cool big sister without all the extra stress, Jason, Tim, and Damian are immediately her adorable little brothers who would totally kill for her, and Bruce is a notably less emotionally constipated control freak, so she has a much easier go of everything.
Cass stabbed some asshole in the throat?
Talia: “It’s isn’t as though he died, Beloved. And good job not getting blood all over your new suit, Cassandra, dear.”
Janet: “It was HIS knife, Bruce. She was defending herself. I don’t know about you, but I would certainly prefer that Cassie comes home in one piece over her being more gentle with the criminals you encourage her to confront.”
Jason: “What, you’d rather have ANOTHER dead kid on your conscience, old man? Then maybe stop sending KIDS out to do your dirty work while expecting them to hold back against MURDERERS, PSYCHOPATHS, and TERRORISTS. Good job, Cass.”
Damian: “Tcht, she didn’t even do any permanent damage, Father.”
Tim: “Cass knew what she was doing. Aside from the visceral shock, is it really that different from hitting someone in the head hard enough to knock them unconscious? He’ll probably have less long-term damage than those henchmen you took out Tuesday night.”
Babs: “Oh, did the poor child murderer get hurt? We aren’t all in this to make ourselves feel good, Bruce. Some of us want RESULTS. Good Job, Cass. I brought some of that ice cream you liked. It’s in the freezer upstairs.”
Dick: “So, no one died; a child’s life was saved, plus any future victims if he’d gotten away tonight; two unsolved murders have been solved, so their families at least get some closure; the killer is in the hospital, under the GCPD’s watch, breathing on his own and there was no permanent damage done to his esophagus or vocal chords. What’s the problem, here, B?”
Alfred: “Forgive me, but has anyone explained the rules to Miss Cassandra beyond ‘no killing’? Because if not, then I do believe she was merely following the rule while using her skill to it’s most effectiveness. Why would she have used a series of blows to line him up for a nerve strike or knockout when she could disarm him and incapacitate him with one swift move?”
Bruce: “Alright, alright. You’ve all made your point. Obviously, we need to have a sit-down to discuss methods and motives and come to an agreement. In the meantime, I’m glad you’re alright, Casandra. And good job saving that child’s life tonight. Why don’t you get changed and take your ice cream to one of the dens upstairs to relax?”
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Shadows Entwined: Part 3
BatmanVsTmnt!Leonardo x sidekick!reader
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Part 1 Part 2 / Part 4 Part 5 Part 6 Part 7 Part 8 Part 9 Part 10 Part 11 Part 12 Part 13 Bonus (18+)
In which Leonardo and (H/N) meet again.
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A/N: Just a friendly reminder, that the Robin in Batman Vs TMNT is Damian Wayne. The son of Bruce Wayne and Talia al Ghul. Aka, Ra’s al Ghul’s grandson. That little dude is trained to kill.
Warnings: Spelling, talk of breaking bones, only slight research on Damian Wayne, long af today.
The reader and the turtles are 19.
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When Donnie said he had an idea, Leonardo didn’t expect to involve an underwater cave network that Gotham City somehow had been hiding. Michelangelo was right, this city was bonkers, in more was than Leo ever had imagined.
Leo, Mikey and Raph followed Donnie through the never ending cave system, before finally breaking the water surface, in a lit tunnel. Leo’s first thought was wondering if Batman and his sidekick ever made use of these tunnels. How often did she wonder about these waters, if ever? It was a strange thought and Leo knew it, but somehow, everything he had seen along the way, had reminded him of her.
“Look”, Raph spoke up, breaking the silence and thoughts running through Leo’s head. “I love being an amphibian as much as the next guy-”.
“Amphibious”, Donnie corrected. “We’re still reptiles”.
“Yeah, thanks for that, but you sure this cave leads anywhere?”
“Glad you asked! I am sure actually”, Donnie started explaining. “I made a database of every reported Batman sighting, and ran them through an algorithm that-”.
“Donnie”. Leo placed a hand on his younger brother’s shoulder. "Nobody cares. Where are you taking us?” Leo tried to sound, well, at least a little happy, even though a little bundle of something was building up inside of him. Nervousness? Anxiety? Couldn’t be. Why would he be nervous or anxious?
“The answer should be right through…” Donnie turned and continued in the direction they had been walking in, only to be met by a big opening in the caves. To say that what they discovered was shocking, would be an understatement. A big open cave with what looked like a taxidermy dinosaur, several glass display cases with Batman costumes, and a giant coin among other things.
“Ta-da!”, Donnie stated with his arms out. “The… Bat… Man… Cave… Huh?”
“This is pretty cool”, Leo admitted. Why did he feel so small all of sudden?
“Pretty cool?!” Mikey already looked like a child that had had too much sugar. “This is amazing! I don’t know what to put my grabby paws on first!”
As Mikey started running around, screaming like a child, Leo casted a glance around the cave. All he was Batman but no… her. Not her in person, nor anything that indicated you spend time here. Was it wrong that Leo had kind of hoped you’d be there? That when he and his brothers emerged from the water, you would be there, ready for another round? It was because he wanted to beat you. Or that was at least what he told himself. It wasn’t in line with how he saw himself, but he would much rather admit to wanting revenge, so he didn’t have to admit to anything else. Like how he hoped you would comment his eyes again. Not that he would admit it, but the thought of you being that close to him again, made tingles erupt in his stomach.
For a second Leo was scared that he was the one that began to chur at the thought of you, only to realize it was Donatello, who had gotten his eyes on a big computer.
“I don’t see any sign that the Shredder, nor the Foot Clan have been here”, Leo said, desperately trying to distract himself from the thought of you.
“Yeah. And I just see the signs of a dude with too much time and way too much money on his hands”, Raph said, looking skeptically at the Batman costumes.
“Most of these files are encrypted too heavily”, sounded Donnie’s voice from in front of the big computer. “But it looks to me like Batman has been tracking the laboratory break ins, like he’s been looking for the Foot’s next move! Same as us!”
“Hey guys! Check it out!” All three brothers turned, in fear of what Mikey had gotten himself into now. They found Mikey, sitting on top of the taxidermy t-rex, dressed in a Batman cape. “I’m Batman! And I’m riding a t-rex! I’ve never been so happy in my entire life!”
Leo’s first thought was to look around, slightly in fear of what you would think, if you found his little brother like that. “Mikey! Get down!”
“Nah man, I live up here now!”
“You should listen to him”.
Mikey turned to look at the source of this new voice, only to be met by a figure in the shadows right behind him. It was a boy. Not a very old one. Dressed in red, black, yellow and green, his eyes had a look that could kill. Yet Mikey didn’t find the child threatening in any way. Instead he turned his head to the side and let out an audible, “aww!”
The young boy sprung at Mikey, causing the two of them to fall off the t-rex and land on the ground, with Mikey’s back against the stone. Mikey held the boy above him, trying his best to hold his small hands away from his face.
“Take that mask off! Now!”, the boy yelled through gritted teeth, while Mikey was struggling to keep the mask on.
“Help!”, Mikey yelled out. “A tiny dude is like, totally trying to kill me!”
All brothers rushed to help Mikey, as the young boy pulled the mask and cap off of Mikey before jumping back, greeting distance between the two. Leo cursed himself, as his first thoughts were; did you know this kid? Did he know you?
“What are you, like five?”, Donnie asked, taken aback by the young boy in front of him.
“How did you get in here?!”, the boy asked, before jumping over Donatello, taking his bow staff and hitting him in the back of his head with it.
Leo stepped forwards with his hands held up. “Hey little guy. We didn’t come here to fight”. But Leo should have known better. Just like you, this little guy knew when to take advantage of an opening. Using Donatello’s bow staff, he hit the side of both of Leo’s knees, making them crack in a horrible way. “Jes!”, Leo yelled out, falling to the ground. At least you didn’t try to break his legs. Leo would much rather have fought against you, and not this little demon of a child.
All four of the turtle brothers were taken aback by the boy's fighting skills. Leo’s knees were aching, Donnie’s head was hurting, and Raph’s arms would soon form black marks. And the fight hadn't even been five minutes. It ended when Mikey yelled “sneak attack”, before tackling the boy, causing them to tumble around, ending with Mikey on top of the boy, retracted into his shell. The boy screamed all sorts of things out of anger, including how he would have their heads. Leo found the scene strange, just like all the other things he had seen in Gotham. Yet, there was something strangely wholesome about it. Almost domestic. A young boy being sat upon, by what felt like a teasing older brother.
Leo almost had to shake those thoughts out of his head. This wasn’t wholesome nor domestic. They were in Batman’s home (Leo wouldn’t point fingers. He and his family called the sewers home), and this little gremlin might have known something they didn’t.
“Let’s just try and reason with him, before-”. The sound of a car engine cut Leo off mid sentence. “...that”. He already had a suspicion of who it might be.
The Batmobil drove into the cave at full speed, before Batman jumped out of it, landing in front of them with this strong stare, followed by you and Batgirl. Leo had not expected his stomach to jump at the sight of you. Neither had you expected the sight of the blue turtle to make your stomach drop. Maybe it was the conversation with Batman and Batgirl, that now caused the fast heartbeat in your chest, at the sight of the turtle. Or maybe it was the sight of one of them sitting on your little brother, that caused you to clench your fists.
“Get off Robin”. He narrowed his eyes. “Now!”
The orange turtle got off of your brother, and turned to try and help him. Robin, as proud as he was sometimes, refused the turtle’s help, pulling his arm away.
“How did you get into this cave?” You unclenched your fist at the sound of Batman’s voice. Most people would find his tone scary, fearing the angry outburst that would never come. But to you and your bat family, it was a comfort. Batman cared about you, Robin, Batgirl and all of those that came before, and that meant he was willing to protect all of you from any danger. Especially strange turtles that have made it into the Batcave.
Leo took notice of your unclenching fists, and your position just behind. Covered enough to be protected, yet open enough to jump in if needed. Robin, found his place beside Batman, close enough for you to put a protective hand on his shoulder. That weird domestic picture formed in Leo’s head once more.
“Oh, well”, Donnie started. “There weren’t many security measures in the northern tunnel. We had to swim for a bit, but…” Donnie stopped as Batman frowned his brows. “I’m realizing you actually don’t want constructive criticism right now”, Donnie said, slowly pulling his head back into his shell.
“What I want are answers”, Batman said, eyes unmoving as he stared the turtles down.
“Look”. Leo stepped forward, causing you to tighten your grip on Robin’s shoulder, just a bit. But it was enough for Robin to notice, making him shoot you a questioning glare. “We’re not here to fight. My name is Leonardo”. Your grip softened on Robin’s shoulder, causing him to look at you in even more confusion. He knew you were a more expressive type than he and his father, and the sight of four mutant turtles in the Batcave might have shocked you, but so many reactions at once were not common. Not even for you.
Leonardo continued. “These are my brothers. Raphael, Donatello and Michelangelo”. The orange turtle started waving at the mention of his name.
“Seriously?”, Batgirl asked, showing more amusement than the rest of the bat family.
“Our father was really into renaissance painters”, Donatello clarified.
“And he’s a rat!”, Michelangelo added.
Robin turned his head towards you. “Did… Did he just say a rat?”, he asked in a hushed tone.
“He did”, you nodded.
Leonardo had to breathe for a moment, after hearing your voice, before continuing. “We’re not your enemy. We came to stop Shredder and the Footclan. Honestly, we thought you might be Shredder’s new partner”.
Robin turned to you once more. “Foot?” You shrugged.
“Shredder”, Batman repeated. “So that’s his name... I’ve heard of a Footclan, but I thought they went extinct ages ago”.
“They’re ninja”, Raphael said. “You know, sneaky”. He moved his hands up in front of his face, as if he was hiding behind them.
“Sooooo…”. Robin moved from your protective hand and straight to the side of Batman. “Are we not going to beat up these green losers?”
Batman looked down towards his son. “It’s not looking like it, no”.
Robin sighed out loud, and you couldn’t stop yourself from smiling. Leo saw as you crossed your arms, and moved all your weight to your left leg, coming ever so slightly out from Batman’s protection.
“Then I may as well tell you that I know exactly who the Shredder and the Foot are working with”, your brother said, letting the small anger building inside of him overshadow his slight disappointment. And when you heard him say the name of his grandfather, you very well understood that anger.
“They are strange”, Robin told you, watching as Batman and Batgirl was talking to the turtles.
“They are indeed strange”, you agreed, fidgeting with whatever gadget you had in your hand, fighting the urge to look up. Because if you looked up, you would look at him. And if you looked at him, he would notice. And if he would notice, then so would Batman, and so would Robin, and Batgirl, and all of Leonardo’s brothers… Better just to focus on… what it was you had in your hand…
“I tried to break the blue one’s legs with the purple’s bow staff”, Robin said, his eyes shining proud. You finally dared to look in the direction of Leonardo, focusing on his legs. You couldn’t see any signs of injury.
“You should have aimed for the knee caps”, you told him, eyes still on the knees of the turtles.
“I did!”, Robin exclaimed, laying flat against the table. “And he did fall! But they didn’t break!”
You took a chance and looked at Leonardo’s face, studying for any signs of discomfort. None. None at all.
That should have been it. You should have looked away, so you could concentrate on that thing you had in your hand. But you didn’t. Your eyes stayed on Leonardo’s face. He was listening to something Batman told him. Most likely information about Ra's al Ghul. He looked very concentrated, with his brows frowning and his arms crossed. You noted that he was almost as stoic as Batman. You haven’t seen him smile a single time. No smiles when he fought the Penguin, no smiles in the alley, and no smiles in the Batcave. The only time you had seen him other than frowning, was when you told him he had pretty eyes.
Robin noticed your sudden silence, and looked at you in confusion. His sister never left him unanswered. She would never let an opportunity to tease him fly. But then he noticed how you had stopped fumbling with your glove, and now sat staring. Confused he looked from you, to what your eyes had been caught by.
Leonardo?
Robin looked back and forth a few times, before it finally clicked for him. He slammed his hand flat against the table, causing you to yelp and stare at your shocked little brother.
“Are you crushing on a turtle?!”
You slapped your hand against his mouth so fast, that the young Robin could only scream and fight. Confused by the sudden commotion, all of them turned to look at you.
“What did he say?”, Mikey asked, obviously intreacted
“Uh”, you said in a slight panic, trying to hold Robin still as he was lashing out against you. “He asked where Alfred was! He’s so hungry he could eat a turtle!” Batman started rubbing the bridge of his nose.
You were going to beat Damian so hard the moment Bruce looked away!
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Hello. In the final end notes of ‘What You’re Longing For (you claim to abhor)’ you mention the goons picking up the wrong clues from the Entire Mess of the final chapter. Is there any chance you’d be willing to expand more on that?
Additionally, I find myself curious: in the time after the fic, would Talia ever kidnap Jason for a bit of family bonding time(probably murdering dudes in the middle of nowhere or something, but still.)
Thank you for your time,
Desire
Hi! I’m not sure if this is a follow up request you’d like to feature in Ghost Stories so I’ll just list some of my thoughts here 💚
So Dave, Jones and McKenzie are a very very tight knit little group that established itself after being hired by the Red Hood. Despite working as goons, they each have their own moral compass that perfectly aligns with Hood’s rules. Consequently, they ended up being Jason’s most loyal and trusted underlings.
Jason didn’t intend to get attached to the three but he did and as a result let slip some personal info form time to time. Jones, Dave and McKenzie all made a game out of collecting clues to Hood’s real identity and background to the point where they’d sit down after work and pool their information. They’ve got a pinboard and everything lol.
Sadly Jason’s life was depressing af for the most part so the things he accidentally mentioned didn’t paint a very pretty picture. And when he used typical teenage slang one too many times Dave correctly inferred that their boss is much younger than any of them originally thought.
So in the end they had hundreds of little clues that all added up to the following (in their mind):
1. Red Hood is actually anywhere from 20-28 years old (+/- a couple years) and not a fourty-something rogue with plans of grandeur
2. Hood was abused as a kid
3. Hood hates Batman
4. Hood hates Robin and Nightwing but not as much as Batman
5. Hood hates Robin but still mother hens him like crazy and seems reluctant to let him go back to the Bat every time
6. Hood is a young guy with better training and tactical thinking than a trained navy seals soldier
7. Hood is intimately aware of how the Bats operate,l fight, and think
Conclusion: Batman used to train Hood and was also the one who abused him—> he’s concerned the same thing is now happening to Robin.
So yeah, that’s pretty much the train of thought they’re having right now. So while Dave, Jones and McKenzie definitely won’t shoot Robin (or Nightwing), they’ll definitely try to gun down Batman.
At least until Jason remembers to retract the order lol. (After which they reluctantly stop shooting at Batman but still not-so-subtly drop hints that they’d absolutely have Hood’s back if he ever needs help with the asshole. Jason doesn’t know what all the fuss is about all of a sudden.)
As for the “would Talia ever kidnap Jason for family time” question:
Yes. Absolutely. And if Talia was busy Ra’s would show up and do it instead.
The al Ghuls adopted Jason into the family. No takebacksies. And while they think Bruce’s overprotectiveness of Jason is amusing (and totally warranted given Jason’s penchant for getting himself into trouble) they draw the line at being barred from seeing their precious sons/grandsons.
So yeah, Bruce and Dick have to deal with Damian and Jason disappearing for a couple days every two months at least.
The first time it happened Bruce, Dick and Tim all lost their minds with panic and when Jason and Dami returned it was to a frantic batfam and the entire JLA in Gotham, on the hunt for Hood and his assassin baby brother ksksks
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How do you think Dick reacts to be mistaken for Damian’s father? How would Damian react if Dick didn’t correct someone making the mistake?
Okay, so before I get into that, I want to talk about how I personally see the dynamics between Damian with Bruce, Talia, and Dick. I don't accept the idea that Talia al Ghul is a bad parent or that the al Ghuls are super abusive in the way comics has portrayed them from Morrison's run and after. I think it's racist, and I think it's overall shitty writing. Damian Wayne had said he is proud of both Talia and Bruce, don't ask me where that happened. It's a miracle I even remember it happened. There's also the one thing of Dick and Damian that my pookie @confusedhummingbird reblogged one of my things with, and I'll just steal that delightful panel for your convenience.
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Anyway, so basically what I'm saying is that I don't particularly enjoy when Dick is hailed as a great parent compared to Bruce and Talia. Bruce and Talia definitely have some horrible fuck-ups (with Talia's being very racist in nature, and I swear to gods if someone fucking tries arguing her character wasn't treated in a racist manner, you're getting blocked so fucking fast). Like Bruce definitely did some fucked up shit too, but in general, I don't necessarily think he does a completely shit job at being a dad. In fact, when Batman is written in a halfway decent way, he is a pretty good dad in my opinion.
While Dick definitely did a good job with Damian, I think it would be pretty out of character for Dick to just discount Bruce and Talia's role as parents for Damian unless it was something pretty big and bad for Damian, in which case Bruce and Talia are probably being written fucking weirdly.
So onto your actual question! I think Dick would be...not bashful, but somewhere in there. I also think he'd just take it in stride and not correct them unless Damian wanted him to. He definitely doesn't want to overstep those kinds of boundaries with Damian if he has them. I also think depending on where they are at/what they are doing definitely contributes to how he'd react. Like when they were out as Batman and Robin, definitely was fine with the dad-son thing there. Out as Nightwing and Robin, doesn't bother to correct them. I don't think they'd get mistaken for being father-son in Gotham or in Blüdhaven, and I don't think any hero would mistake them for being father-son unless they were like new, new. But yeah, just depends.
I don't think Damian would really correct someone now. When Bruce died, in the period he was really learning from Stephanie, Dick, and Alfred, he probably would've corrected them. I don't think so now. I think family dynamics are a lot more fluid than people like to claim they are. Personally, I have a lot of people I see in parental roles, and one of them (which I don't see anymore because they are racist) were in a similar age range that Dick and Damian are. I didn't get mad or correct people when they thought I was their kid. I was either 1) embarrassed, 2) didn't care to make the effort to correct them, and 3) happy to be seen as such close family to them. That, and all the changes going on in his life at that time, and Dick's pretty much unwavering support for Damian leads me to believe that Damian wouldn't mind being seen as Dick's kid. I think he understands that Dick took on a parental role for him, and he can understand that he still has his biological parents to rely on.
SO! Basically, Dick doesn't correct people because I don't think a lot of people in their life would get it confused, and Damian doesn't mind because Dick is a parental figure in his life, and it isn't some sort of replacement figure for his biological parents.
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