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timdrakequotes · 2 days
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Tim: Well, Ari had an idea that maybe we should move our relationship to the “next” level. Something happened to her, something that scared her and kind of mixed her up. I think she thought that if we…well, she thought that was the right thing to do.
Dana: “That”?
Tim: Well…sex. You have to understand that she’s confused. I wish I knew how to put it…
Dana: You’re doing fine, Tim. You’re more concerned for her reputation than the trouble you’re in.
Tim: uh…I am.
Dana: Let’s give your Dad some time to cool off--then we’ll see if we can’t get him to hear you out.
Tim: Thanks, Dana.
--Tim Drake with Dana Winters (Robin #45 – Grounded)
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jpv-isms · 2 months
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tim fans can we talk about tim’s trauma that ISN’T his emotional neglect or dick taking away robin.
can we talk about his extensive history of SA?? dana winters??? contagion???? knightfall????? not only kon dying, but also bart and darla and steph and so on??????
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robintherobiner · 2 months
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i know the fandom likes to make Jack out to be a terrible dad but i personally enjoy to imagine him as a man who's just not that smart, but tries his best.
Tim, like six years old, angry that he wasn't allowed desert before dinner: I hate you! I wish lived on my own and never saw you or Mommy again!
Jack, tearing up and booking flight tickets: Okay kiddo, love you.
Janet, giving birth: AAAAARGH. LOOK AT WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO ME, YOU COWARDLY BITCH. YOU'RE THE ONE WHO WANTS A BABY SO BAD, YOU SHOULD BE GIVING BIRTH!
Jack, tearing up and booking gender reassignment surgery: Okay darling, love you.
Nurse, glancing at his phone: You.. you know that surgery wont make you able to carry a child right?
Jack: Yes it will, it gives me a vagina!
Nurse: ...you know you need a uterus to actually carry the baby right?
Jack: What the fuck is a uterus? WAIT I CAN SEE THE BABYS HEAD OH MY GOSH JANET DEAR YOU'RE DOING SO WELL!
Tim, age 15: Dad, i'm glad you're trying to be better now but... Why did you and mom neglect me for so long?
Jack: You told us too! I wanted to raise you, i was a stay at home dad, but you said i was horrible and that you wanted to live on your own!
Tim: ...
Jack: Obviously that was irresponsible so we sent you to boarding school, but we only visited a few times a year to respect your boundaries. I would send you back, but I was in a coma so i'm allowed to be a little selfish and spend time with my baby.
Dick: Didn't your dad just wake up from a coma? And he's already got a girlfriend? No offense but-
Tim: My mom told him to.
Dick: Timmy, sometimes men lie-
Tim: No, literally, it was in her will. She literally told him that if she died first, he had to get a new partner, because she knew he'd die alone without her.
Dick: What...
Tim: Also, i was the one who chose Dana. She's great! Mom said I had to pick a blonde because yellow is his favourite colour.
Tim: Dad, why is the only picture of Mom you have framed one of her in a bikini? Do you not have any others?
Jack: I do, i have hundreds! But this was taken on the day she proposed to me! Well, i have more from that day, but they're not safe for little eyes.
Tim: Thats both the most romantic and disgusting thing i've ever heard.
Jack, puling out a picture of Janet sobbing and very obviously screaming: I have this picture of her on my bedside table though, its from when she found out she was pregnant with you! Two of the best days of my life!
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gayshitanddadjokes · 9 months
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Tim Drake: I have three relatives
Steph: ooh this one is gonna be good
Tim, counting on his fingers: Cass
Cass: *smiles*
Tim: Dick
Dick: score
Tim: and my stepmom Dana
Bruce: wait what
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zahri-melitor · 6 months
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Tim doesn’t have a lot from Dana.
Two years of memories.
Just six or so months between her wedding to his father and Jack’s death. Another few months after that until Bludhaven exploded.
Two Christmases, and two birthdays.
The first Christmas never really happened as his dad and Dana were snowed in in Chicago. They’d come home bearing apology gifts, but Dana still didn’t really know Tim at that point, so it had been…stuff. New video games. A new watch. A new Discman. (Dad had ponied up for Green Day VIP tour tickets, out of guilt; Tim had taken Ives with him).
Tim had spent his fifteenth birthday in No Man’s Land. His present had been the government-funded extraction (which he had subsequently ignored only to sneak back in repeatedly).
That year, Tim had spent Christmas Eve in Bristol with his father, just the two of them. It was Jack’s concession to having missed the previous two Christmas Eves, between his coma and the previous year. (It had been two years since Tim had buried his mom. They’d visited the cemetery earlier that day, before Tim answered an urgent call from Oracle to go look for the babies kidnapped by the Joker).
For his sixteenth birthday, Bruce had given Tim a paranoid breakdown, his dad had given him a new wireless modem, and Dana had given him dress shoes.
For all his scepticism at the time, the shoes had eventually come in handy.
For the funerals.
Between the Crisis and the cruise and the chaos surrounding identifying bodies in Bludhaven, the Winters’ had handled Dana’s funeral. An invite hadn’t made it to Tim in time – he’d only met Dana’s family that once, at the wedding – but Alfred had seen the funeral notice in the paper and forwarded it to Tim.
Dana was buried outside of Gotham, with her grandparents. Bruce had taken Tim up to see the grave.
Two years, and a pair of shoes, and a recipe for soup. The memories of her laughter at the dinner table. A mug that she’d picked out and drank her coffee from every morning.
The silent gap of a third missing parent, one that people forget he ever had, because she was only his step-mother.
Little things.
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dc is missing out on so much comedic potential by not giving Tim one of his parents back and my personal pick is Dana because she is simply the best parent he's ever had
and then you can have stuff like
Tim crawling in through the living room window:You are not gonna believe what Bruce just did I mean seriously Dana this is low even for him
Dana: Is he being violent again? also i got you snacks they're on the counter
Tim: HE'S BEING VIOLENT AGAIN thanks for the snacks and do you know what he said???
Dana:What'd he say Tim?
Tim:He said he would arrest me if i tried to stop him
Dana:No
Tim:yes and then that bitch-
Dana:No cursing Tim
Tim:sorry Dana anyway-
(basically they should force Bruce to co-parent cause god knows he can't do it himself)
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queen-of-hobgobblers · 8 months
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Bernard is one of the few people just as absolutely unhinged as Tim is and I think that's the beauty of their relationship.
Tim paid an actor to be his uncle to avoid getting adopted, broke into Batman's house as a preteen to insist he take on another Robin, got his parents sent into the witness protection program because he messed with the penguin, and once called a bothersome knot in his shoelaces "an evil entity," then questioned where his pocket knife was so he could chop it off.
Bernard had been making deals with organ pirates on the black market at age sixteen, has the wildest conspiracy theories on Earth, casually asked his newly resurrected friend if he could be her "superhero manager" and if she could give him powers like five minutes after she held him hostage and nearly killed him, got himself roped into a pain cult somehow, knows how to hold his own alongside a trained vigilante, and openly hit on Tim's stepmom right in front of him and his dad.
Truly relationship goals.
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What was Tim’s relationship with his parents like? It seems like they left him alone a lot, based on fanon - is that true?
Tim's relationship with Jack and Janet Drake is...messy. Very messy. There are a lot of misconceptions floating around about how Jack and Janet really were as parents, largely due to headcanons and fanfiction exaggerating their abuse/neglect of Tim. So, we're going to clear all of that up by analyzing how Tim's parents were as evidenced in canon.
From the very beginning of his time in comics, it's clear that Tim's parents are hella neglectful. The writers needed a Robin who would be able to do his crimefighting without the interference of parental figures, so they gave him rich absentee parents to achieve that.
Tim's parents mean well; they do genuinely love and care about Tim, considering that the first glimpse we get of them is the Drake family enjoying a trip to the circus together. At face level, they look like a typical happy family. 
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Batman #436
However, Tim's parents have a tendency to take long trips around the world for their job and leave Tim behind with the nanny. They were noted to be gone for long periods of time during Tim's Robin training, only keeping in touch with their son through halfhearted postcards promising to call soon. They also were prone to extending trips or leaving without warning, giving Tim very little input or notice when it came to whether or not he would be able to spend time with his own parents anytime soon. It got to the point where Bruce became suspicious of the Drakes’ neglect of their son.
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Detective Comics #618
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Robin #1
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Robin #11
“I guess that sums them up! Never know where they’re going to be—or when—or even how long!”
Ah, yes, this is the proper way to raise your child. 
So, it is firmly established that Tim’s parents are inattentive and neglectful. They love Tim in their own way, but not enough to be at home often and spend time with him, or to take him across the world with them. Granted, they are incredibly wealthy people with a large company, but…so is Bruce. And Jack and Janet don’t even moonlight as vigilantes, which doesn’t give them much of an excuse. 
(I do think that comics tend to use Bruce’s relationship with Tim as a juxtaposition to show just how harmful Jack and Janet’s parenting is for Tim, such as neglecting his emotional needs, not respecting his privacy, etc. Over time, this leads to even Jack having this silent rivalry with Bruce over Tim’s affection. But I’ll get to that later.)
To contrast, here is Bruce offering to take the night off to stay with Tim and comfort him after his parents have been kidnapped:
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Detective Comics #619
And Bruce has a reputation for being a questionable parental figure, which just makes Jack and Janet look even worse in comparison.
Then the Drakes are poisoned by the Obeah Man: Tim’s mother dies and his father falls into a coma. Janet’s term in comics was short, so we don’t know a lot about her personality or how she was as a parent, other than that she was not home often. When she and Jack were kidnapped, Janet seemed to express regret about her choices in life, possibly including not spending time with her son while she could.
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Detective Comics #620
Otherwise, that’s about it for Janet. There is a fever dream Tim has when he’s dying of the Clench in which he imagines his parents both alive and knowing that he’s Robin. It’s a happy scene, with Janet preparing a home-cooked meal and being warm and present, which could possibly be Tim’s subconscious wishing that this was how his life could have been, but we don’t know enough about Janet’s actual parenting to do much with that. I personally choose to interpret it as Tim’s longing for the ideal family dynamic he never got to have, with both his parents home and acting like a real family. 
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Batman Chronicles #4
Now, Jack and Tim’s relationship is rocky from start to finish. One minute they’re getting along, the next everything is a disaster, over and over until Jack’s death. 
After the Obeah Man incident, Tim is left grieving his mother and worrying about his paralyzed, comatose father. He continues to live with Bruce at Wayne Manor during this time, hoping for Jack to wake up. 
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Robin II: Joker’s Wild #4
Tim becomes conflicted over the fact that, with the Waynes, he feels for the first time like he’s part of a real family. Which is...very telling. But we already know how neglectful Janet and Jack were of Tim, so are we really surprised? The closest thing Tim had to a “real” family before Bruce was Mrs. Mac the housekeeper. 
Upon waking from his coma, Jack has this great epiphany that he’s going to be a better father for Tim and right all the wrongs he made in life. 
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Batman #480
“I’ll make it up to you—starting tomorrow!”
With his father in a wheelchair and needing all kinds of medical care as he recovers, Tim feels obligated to move back in with Jack and take care of him.
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Batman #480
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Batman #480
Tim writes his dad a letter venting all of his inner conflicts and harbored resentment, saying that he never felt like he was part of a family before becoming Robin and meeting the Waynes. He wishes he could tell Jack the truth instead of hiding the most important part of his life from him, which causes a rift between Tim and Jack that honestly never fully heals until War Games.
Aptly, the letter is addressed, “To the Father I Never Knew.” 
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Batman #480
As it turns out, Jack Drake is deeply insecure when it comes to his place in Tim’s life. Jack has no regrets about neglecting Tim until he learns that Tim has a new father figure in his life, AKA Bruce, the resident Dad Supreme. Jack becomes jealous of Bruce, trying to get back into Tim’s good graces because he knows that, in comparison, he’s looking like a pretty shitty father compared to Brucie Wayne, the irresponsible playboy. Ouch. 
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Batman #480
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Robin III: Cry of the Huntress #3
This all comes to a head when Jack gets angry with Tim for acting out, cutting school, getting into fights, etc. In turn, Tim gets fed up and confronts Jack about his poor parenting.
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Robin III: Cry of the Huntress #4
“Who is the son you know, Dad? You don’t know me. You never bothered.”
By the end of the miniseries, they eventually work things out and apologize to each other. Honestly, the biggest problem Tim and Jack have when it comes to their relationship is miscommunication. They both want to be a real father and son, but there are too many obstacles in their way (Tim’s Robin activities, Jack’s inability to care about his son unless it’s convenient for him, Tim’s bond with Bruce) that keep them from having the close relationship they both clearly want. 
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Robin III: Cry of the Huntress #4
Jack really does try to be a better father for Tim over the next few years, but he makes a lot of mistakes along the way. After being kidnapped (again), Jack tells Tim that he’s yet again going to try and be a more attentive father. (As if Tim hasn’t already heard this speech before lmao.)
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Robin #7
Jack tries to spend more time with Tim, but his version of spending time together is mostly just springing new plans on Tim and giving Tim little say in any of it. 
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Robin #11
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Robin #12
(It also shows how little attention Jack pays to Tim, since he doesn’t notice that his son has a literal six-pack and could probably benchpress his own weight by now.)
Jack eventually falls in love with Dana, his physical therapist, and she more or less takes up all of his attention for the time being. Tim once again falls out of the spotlight. Tim is partly relieved about this, since it means that Jack is less likely to catch on to Tim’s Robin outings with Dana as a convenient distraction.
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Robin #12
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Robin #15
Jack goes to all the trouble of making plans with Tim, only to cancel the moment something shiny and new moves into his line of sight. Great parenting, Jack. A+ work. Tim sees this as less of a problem than it is, thanks to his second identity, but any other child would be severely impacted by this “whenever I feel like it” method of parenting. Regardless, Tim and Jack’s relationship at this point is on its way to leveling out for the time being. They still don’t communicate very well, but they generally get along with each other. 
After Tim runs away from home and causes a whole incident during No Man’s Land, Jack sends Tim away to Brentwood Academy, a boarding school literally in the same city as them, as punishment for being a lil hooligan. Just say you don’t feel like dealing with Tim anymore and move on, Jack. 
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Robin #74
When Tim is at Brentwood, Jack informs Tim that he and Dana are engaged through a phone call. Tim is not even an hour away, but Jack figures why waste a day spending time with his own son to tell him the good news when you can accomplish it with a phone call, right?
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Robin #78
It isn’t long before Jack Drake goes broke due to his company losing money or however bankruptcy works, and Tim gets to leave Brentwood. Jack chooses this time to once again try to work on his relationship with Tim...
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Robin #100
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Robin #100
...and then slides right back into ignoring Tim when the loss of his fortune makes Jack too depressed to do much of anything. Not that it’s a huge loss, considering that when Jack does bother to pay attention to Tim, it doesn’t often go well. He has a reputation for getting overly aggressive when Tim acts out, and he has a habit of dragging Tim into obligations he doesn’t want to do for the sake of looking like a present parent, trying to exert control over Tim that he hasn’t quite earned.
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(It’s also interesting the way Tim starts to question Jack’s decision, then quickly stops himself and agrees to whatever it is Jack wants, as if Tim has gotten used to being allowed to think and act for himself during his time with Bruce, and now he’s remembering that things are different in the Drake household. He has to go back to Good Obedient Son mode, and if that doesn’t make you sad then I don’t know what will.)
Batman #480
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Robin #45
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Robin #92
By the time Jack finally gets out of his funk, Tim (of course) forgives him immediately, so they’re back on track again. 
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Robin #116
(It’s also worth mentioning that Jack forgot Tim’s birthday. Yeah, he was going through his own depressive spiral at the time, but still. Dick move.)
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Robin #116
Honestly, I owe a lot of the good moments in Tim and Jack’s relationship to Dana’s influence. She’s a great stepmother to Tim and she helps rein Jack in when he’s being an asshole. Her parenting style is far more caring and considerate compared to Jack’s, who tries to mold Tim into his idea of a perfect son: obedient, masculine, and quiet (whenever he feels like paying attention, that is). 
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Robin #122
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Robin #127
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Robin #45
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Robin III: Cry of the Huntress #1
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Robin 80-Page Giant (2000)
Where Dana is understanding and patient, Jack is commanding and rigid. Over time, Dana softens him enough so that Jack is more of a well-meaning dad clumsily trying his best than an abusive asshole, but still. 
Jack acknowledging that he screwed up and is trying to fix his and Tim’s relationship has been a major plot point for years up to this point, and it remains a central part of Tim’s civilian narrative for as long as Jack is alive. Jack tries to fix what’s wrong between them, and Tim is eager to have a closer relationship with his dad, even if it’s difficult to accomplish due to his Robin activities. I repeat: They both want to have a good relationship. It isn’t that Jack simply doesn’t care about Tim (which, it could be argued that he didn’t care about Tim until Janet died). They both really do try to fix what’s broken between them. It’s just that Jack can’t accept that Tim is his own person, and Tim can’t risk compromising his identity. 
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Robin #71
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For a small while, things are okay between Tim and Jack. 
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Robin #124
But pretty soon the inevitable happens: Jack snaps when he catches Tim in a lie about joining the football team to explain a black eye. Instead of confronting Tim about it, Jack decides the best course of action is to ransack Tim’s bedroom for evidence of his delinquency. 
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Robin #124 
Jack inevitably finds Tim’s Robin gear in the closet. Instead of asking Tim about it, like a sensible human, Jack’s second genius move of the day is to go all the way to Wayne Manor and point a gun at Bruce’s face, demanding he return Tim to him.
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Robin #124
(Personally, I think Jack’s reaction wouldn’t have been so violent if it weren’t for the fact that it’s Bruce, whom Jack was already jealous of for being closer to Tim than Jack ever was.)
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Robin #125
With Jack threatening to expose everyone’s identities and ruin their lives, Tim agrees to give up the Robin mantle to keep Jack quiet. 
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Robin #125
After that, things between Tim and his dad are relatively okay. Tim is happy to be having a normal life for once, and Jack is appeased now that he has Tim all to himself. 
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Teen Titans #14
Then War Games rolls around and Tim once again dons the cape and boots to help in the gang war, and he and Jack finally have an honest conversation about Tim’s Robin activities. This time Tim isn’t just giving in to make his father happy, and he’s not struggling with the question if maybe he’ll be better off as a civilian, because he already tried that and he knows now that this is the life for him. 
And for once, Jack actually listens to Tim. 
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Robin #130
They come to an understanding after that. For the first time in Tim’s whole life, he has an honest and loving relationship with his father.
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Robin #131
Of course, this is about a week before everything goes to shit and Jack is murdered by Captain Boomerang during Identity Crisis. You win some, you lose some. 
(What makes it even worse for Tim is that Jack asked him to stay in that night, but Tim chose to go out and help, so he wasn’t there when Boomerang came for Jack. Oof.)
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Identity Crisis #5
In Jack’s last moments, he tells Tim that he loves him and that being Robin is a good thing and he should never turn his back on being a hero. 
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Identity Crisis #5-6
Unsurprisingly, Tim takes the loss extremely hard. It almost rivals Tim’s reaction to Bruce’s death, probably. After all, it’s his dad. Sure, Tim and Jack had their problems, but he was still his father and he loved him. 
I also think a big part of it is that Jack was taken at a time when he and Tim were finally starting to see eye to eye. They finally had the relationship they both always wanted, and then a week later Jack gets murdered. I see it as Tim mourning the relationship he and Jack could have had, rather than the one they did. Tim never got to see what it would have been like to have a perfect relationship with his father because the second everything finally fell into place, Jack was taken away from Tim.
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Identity Crisis #7
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Robin #167 
“Sometimes it’s for Bruce. Sometimes it’s for Conner. But a lot of times, I do it for you. Because you were brave enough to understand the man I wanted to be.”
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DCU Holiday Special (2009)
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Teen Titans (2003) #34
(Tim’s guilt and grief becomes all-encompassing to the point where he invents a fake uncle just to avoid being adopted by Bruce, but that’s a story for another day.)
Sooooo yeah, that’s about it. Tim loved his parents and they loved him back in their own ways, but he never had a perfect relationship with either of them by any definition.
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robjn93 · 4 months
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janet and jack on the brink of a divorce would have paved the way for so many stories if dc werent a coward and fridged janet. them actually getting a divorce and tim now has two houses to live in, two parents to lie to. and how would janet feel about tim spending so much time with bruce, about the bruises on her son’s face? would she feel like a failure as a mother and blame the divorce for making tim feel like he needs to run away from everyone? maybe janet is the one to purchase drake manor and maybe tim spends more time at janet’s because it was closer to wayne manor but jack feels like tim loves janet more and that he’s replacing him with bruce wayne, that maybe janet moved on already and now she’s trying her luck with the bachelor living next door? and then dana like the feeling of having a stepmom that is actually nice and kind but it still feels like a betrayal to janet because ‘there’s only one woman i can love like a mother’ but also… its dana and she is great and she never tried to steal janet’s spot in tim’s heart but it still feels unfair towards janet to love dana like a mother. throw in there some backstory on janet and jack, they are canon new money so how was their life before being ‘the drakes’? or when did they have tim? like maybe they had him when they were too young and inexperienced, maybe they thought they could pull it off and protect him from the world but then the trip at haly’s, the day tim’s life had changed forever. and what about janet and jack? how did the trip to the circus change their lives? they were already shown bickering but haly’s circus must have had a weight on their relationship that couldn’t be shaken away. imagine taking your son to the circus, to try and make him happy and have a nice family hangout, and you inadvertently exposed him to death and there’s nothing you can do as you stare helplessly because you took him there. so you can only blame the other and find some comfort in being the parent that could have prevented it, but was victim of the circumstances. and who would find out about tim being robin first? how would janet react? would she have tried to talk it out with tim instead of forbidding him to be robin? would she have understood why he does what he does? janet meeting stephanie, getting to know the girl that loved her son even with a goofy mask and thighs on, how would steph feel about janet? and so much more like i need this so bad, you don’t understand
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sockich · 1 year
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Tim "shows his love through food" Drake:
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Steph’s got a bad cold, and I thought I would try to make some chicken soup to bring to her in the morning.
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I’m headed back to the manor to make Bruce dinner.
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I want to really show you how much you really mean to me. Which is why I'm giving you this. It’s supposed to say “Happy First Pride,” but it had a rough journey getting here. And I baked it myself, so it wasn’t all that pretty to begin with, to be honest.
And his boyfriend, future chef and all around food enthusiast, Bernard Dowd:
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You're going to be a great chef.
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The chef, Will Trench, he's been on Battle Cooks. He grew up all over, so the food is influenced by different cultures, but he's most interested in the produce of the area, so you'll notice a lot of morels on the menu.
(From Robin #102, Robin #163, DC Pride 2022 #1, and Tim Drake: Robin #7.)
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timdrakequotes · 4 months
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Dana: Let Tim explain.
Jack: You mean lie, Dana.
--Dana Winters and Jack Drake on Tim Drake (Robin #92 – A Leap of Faith)
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scintillyyy · 6 months
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okay for tim's 16th birthday he got:
trauma and immense paranoia from bruce
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a super unfashionable and clunky pair of shiny dress shoes from dana he's never ever going to wear (dana canonical terrible gift giver c. 2003)
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a wireless modem from jack
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i feel like as far as parents go, jack somehow was the dark horse winner of the day.
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I think it would be very funny if Dana knew about the whole Robin thing and helped cover for Tim when he had to go on patrol. Like Jack is watching the news and behind him Dana is very carefully helping a bloody Tim up the stairs and thinking of the excuses she'll give the school and Jack.
Jack: Whoa, Champ, where'd that black eye come from?
Dana, knowing full well he was punched by Two Face after saying Dent dressed like a colorblind hedgehog: Oh, he was trying to show me a new skateboarding trick yesterday.
That would be hilarious
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plutoslvr · 3 months
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the way dana was never spoken about like genuinely haunts me how do you write out someone so important in tims life and act like she was never there???
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mukoi-the-devoted · 22 days
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Ok… hear me out, a fic where Jack Drake and Dana winters break up semi-peacefully, but Tim and Dana have already started to bond as step-family, so Dana keeps in touch. Over the years their relationship evolves into not quite a mother-son relationship, but they’re really good friends who happen to at some point have been legally related.
The story somewhat follows cannon, except nothing bad happens to Dana, and when Jack dies, Dana fights Bruce for custody, and wins.
Eventually, after lots of interrogation (from Dana, she has to make sure this millionaire guy is safe for her friend/ex-step-son) Dana agrees to split custody with Bruce. (Admittedly it’s a relief, Dana was not ready to parent a teenager all by herself)
Que Bruce and Dana either passive aggressively competing to be Tim’s favorite, or becoming the best of friends.
The tabloids go crazy, as suddenly Dana is considered “Wayne adjacent” and therefore famous.
Basically all I want is Dana and Tim content, is that too big of an ask?
(I can’t remember if there was anything else I had on this idea, but oh well.)
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bobbinalong · 17 days
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takes a village or whatever. there were meant to be more but my laptop sucks and it's late, so i guess make of babs being grouped with the grandparents what you will lol
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