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asongofstarkandtargaryen · 1 year

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Any lgbt headcanons of the batfam? :)

I have too many of them to include on a single ask so I'll only list a couple of them here.

(please keep in mind that those are HEADCANONS. I don't want anyone screaming in my inbox that most of them aren't canon in the comic universe, I know that myself. But it's always nice to be creative with your favourite characters).

Also warning! not all of them are fluffy.

Tim first came out as bi to his older brother Dick. To the one person who always supports him and is there for him. And ofc Dick made him feel accepted (not because I headcanon Dick being also bi but because Dick will always make Tim feel accepted and loved. Period)

Everytime Damian and Tim are having brotherly fights the latter yells that Damian's actions "is a crime against lgbt + community". Which drives Damian mad because he's really a lgbt+ supporter and Tim knows it irritates Dami that's why he keeps saying it ( totally brotherly behavior).

But aside from their sibling fights if anyone dares to make an ill comment about his big brother Tim dating a boy in Damian's presence, they are gonna have their asses kicked.

Dick and Barbara are the both bi and in a relationship ( well the latter is also canon in main universe). Unlike, the stereotypes that bi people like to sleep around ( which are very harmful and wrong , imo) both Dick and Babs only had serious relationships in their lives and always needed love in order to have sex with someone.

Jason doesn't like sex due to the awful circumstances of his first time ( groomed by an older woman he trusted). For a long time he thinks something is wrong with him for not enjoying or wanting sex and maybe that is a side affect on his resurrection.

Once while he was drunk and crying he shared information about his dislike of sex and how he thought it made him abnormal with big sis Babs. She assured him that he's perfectly normal and ( after asking Cass' permission first) she got him in touch with the other batfamily member who doesn't like sex, aka Cass.

Cassandra, unlike Jason, doesn't have a traumatic experience for disliking sex. She doesn't even have strong negative feelings about sex, she simply doesn't feel the need to do it and that's why she never had or plans to have sex. Being a private person she only shared the fact that she's ace with Steph and Babs.

But she felt relieved to share that info with another person who was also possibly ace ( Jason) because sometimes you need to talk to someone who's like you. Jason also felt better after talking with Cass and now those two who previously rarely interacted have a stronger bond.

Steph never gave any labels to herself. In the past she enjoyed being in relationships (and having sex) with both boys and girls. But once she fells for Cass ( StephCass is always endgame) she doesn't care about not having sex with Cass due to the latter being ace. She wants to be in a relationship with Cass and she wouldn't change a thing about her girlfriend

Bruce is a supportive and proud dad. He wants to go to pride with all the batkids, carrying all their flags. He wants to be a good ally and he's not sure how he should show his support them best. Luckily for him he has both Selina and Kate to help him by giving him some tips.

#batfamily #stephcass #Cassandra cain #Jason todd #dickbabs #dick Grayson #barbara gordon #tim drake #Stephanie brown #damian wayne #bruce wayne #selina kyle #kate kane #dc asks #dc headcanon

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ahoyimlosingmymind · 1 month

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i all honesty i am growing out of kotlc (i tend to be a bit dramatic about it) and am looking at the bat family fandom through binoculars because it looks fun and ive always been a bit a dc fan

the only problem is that the comic fans specifically kind of freaked me because im afraid of getting lectured if i don't completely adhere to cannon, straight up got told that people would click off my fics if i didn't write Cass like how she is in the comics

this is so real.

I've never read a comic or watched a single DC film which is INSANE. I've just researched a ton and read and watched clips and snippets from Canon. I'm only here bc I found out there were multiple robins and that one of them died... and the brain rot has yet to end.

Honestly, people can be real sticklers about Canon vs fanon in this fandom, but there's so many retcons and continuity errors and alternate universes and mischaracterizations in CANON... I don't get why people get on other's about it, unless it's like- you're taking a huge part of a character a way for no reason.

Typically, I just ignore what I don't agree with. Because while I haven't read all the material or watched it, I have a good grasp on what is Canon VS fanon, and I don't mind them meshing a bit.

and yeah, some people will click off fics they don't vibe with, and they will leave mean comments, but criticism or even just meanness is often the price we pay for putting art into the world, sadly.

I wouldn't let it get you down or discourage you from writing. Just make sure to research characters and the settings. Cass stans can be a bit intense in regards to her, but it is what it is.

A lot of DC Canon is pick and choose because of how vast and contradictory it is. I wouldn't stress it. <3

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linkspooky · 1 year

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Really liked your top Teen Titans ship post. That Harley/Batman one has me all kinds of intrigued and you are more than right on Dickkory. But. I gotta know. How in the world are Terra and Raven the same character??? I've been puzzling over this for like half an hour and I know it's gonna drive me crazy. 😂 Thanks.

They are the same person, this is the hill I'll die on. I understand why you can't really see how they are the same character, because their relationship is literally all just subtext. SO basically text is what's written and directly stated, subtext is what you as the reader infer it's interpretation. Reader interpretation is really important though, and good comic book stories will build on subtext that's originally present in the stories intentional or not and add to it. The Harley and Ivy gay relationship started out as subtext, it's text now, stories change over time etc. etc.

Comic books are also an adaptive medium, cartoons make adaptations of these comics based on the show creators interpretation, then those adaptations are sometimes cycled back into the comics too. I mean, there's a reason that there are two Judas Contract interpretations Teen Titans 2003, and the solo Judas Contract movie and Terra has big interactions with Raven in both.

ANYWAY, Terra and Raven are the same person in different fonts explanation underneath the cut!

In the original comic, Terra and Raven's relationship does not have nearly as much interaction as in the cartoon adaptations. However, there is something there. It is basically this, Raven is the only one who notices that something's off with Terra, because her empathic senses detect the isolation and emptiness inside of Terra. Raven points this out several times to Terra and other people, avoids Terra when the rest of the group welcomes her, in, later on Terra wants to take on Raven herself because she sees her as self-righteous and stuck up.

This is why I say subtext, when you read between the lines and look at both characters they actually are incredibly similar.

They are both bastards, in the sense they are unwanted children conceived out of wedlock that their parents didn't try to raise and handed off to someone else. Terra is half-princess, her life is controlled by the fact she's connected to the Markovian bloodline, but they're ashamed of her and don't want her around (all except for Brion).

Capes on the Couch's Terra Episode, does a good job on how a child basically being punished by the decisions of their parents they had no control over can both hurt their developmental years, and also due major damage to their self esteem. It's a horrible thing to teach a child they are basically unwanted when they're not the ones who made the decision to be born into this world.

Neither Terra or Raven wanted to be born, and yet they are essentially punished their entire childhood for this fact, either by neglect by Terra (the royal family only wanted her around to experiment on her then sent her back to America when her behavior shamed them and they found her unsavory) or Raven who like had no choice in being born and yet the society she was raised in told her she was an innately an evil person (when she was like five) her emotions were evil and if she didn't continually fight against them she would be exactly like her father. Raven's mother joined a cult and tried to marry Satan, Terra's mom decided to have an affair with a king, however they both take no responsibility, hand their kids off and it's Terra and Raven who have to deal with this. Terra and Raven basically also never had parents or a childhood. Terra's sixteen and she acts like both more mature than everyone around her, and a miniature adult, and she's convinced she's this cunning manipulative mastermind and I'm like hmm I wonder if that's a survival mechanism because no one ever bothered to raise her and she had to take care of herself.

They both are born with powers they don't want

Terra has incredible powers to move the earth that are hard for her to control, and in several continuities literally result in her death when she loses control and drops the entire earth on herself and crushes herself. Raven was born the daughter of a demon and the only way she was taught to control her emotions was to suppress them entirely.

They are both given these huge powers that they didn't really ask for, and those powers changed the course of their lives. If Terra didn't have geokinesis, she'd probably just be a slgihtly unstable runaway kid and not a mercenary. Raven's entire life is defined by trying to control her powers and use them for good.

So, then the difference between them is that Raven decided to use her powers for good, and Terra made the selfish decision to use her powers above herself. Raven is a better person because she rose above her circumstances, instead of just using her circumstances as an excuse to hurt others. Au contraire, mon friend.

Repression / Expression, Selfish / Selfless, and the Dark Phoenix

A huge part of Raven's character arc that almost everyone ignores is that Raven was heavily abused, not by her father, but by the monks of Azarath. Raven was raised in a cult. Raising a child far away from other people, not allowing them regular interaction with other children, not letting them be with their mother, and most of all TEACHING THEM THEY ARE INTERNALLY EVIL is not good parenting my dudes.

It's not so much Terra chose to be evil, Raven chose to be good, as Raven has literally been brainwashed by a cult to believe if she is even a little bit selfish, if she expresses any negative emotion at all, then she's exactly like her father and evil. If you've ever read Bungo Stray Dogs, I compare Raven to Atsushi a lot.

Basically, in Bungo Stray Dogs Atsushi is an orphaned character who has the ability to turn into a Tiger. An ability that he cannot control, an ability that went out of control and murdered a man when he was young. His caretaker covers up for the murder, and tries to teach him to control that power but in the worst way possible. He isolates Atsushi, keeps him in a cage to punish him when he loses control, and he ends up teaching Atsushi if he doesn't use his power to protect others, then he's worthless.

It's not even that Atsushi wants to be a hero, it's that he has to be a hero otherwise he doesn't even deserve to live. Atsushi is incredibly dysfuctional because of this, he has black and white thinking that he applies to himself, he can't forgive hinmself, he has to be a completely selfless doormat because selfish people are EVIL! Atsushi has literally no identity outside of being superhero.

That's something a lot of people miss with Raven's character, she tries to fit in with literally having any kind of life outside of being a superhero and she always fails, because that is what Azarath taught her two "A person incapable of protecting others does not deserve to live" she doesn't deserve to be a normal person because she has to continually atone for being trigon's daughter. She's fundamentally born evil and must continue to work to prove she is not.

The real difference between Raven and Terra is that Raven represses herself to extreme extents to try to be a hero like the people around her to expect her to be, whereas Terra externalizes all of her trauma.

Terra LOATHES the expectation that she has to use her powers to help others, she thinks being a hero is STUPID AND DUMB. SHe chafes so much under a good girl image that she decides to embrace a villainous one instead, because that at least feels liberating to her.

If Terra were in Marvel instead of DC she would be working with Magneto and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. Her powers have basically ruined her whole life and made her different from others, but it's also literally the only thing she has because everything else in her life is unstable, and by the time she gets with the titans she can't trust anyone. The royal family essentially tried the same brainwashing on Terra, because they only gave her her powers to be in service to them and make her a hero, and Terra said FUCK IT and decided to be NOT THAT. Raven formed her identity by repressing herself and trying to serve everyone's expectations, Terra's identity is expressed and she makes herself in defiance of what everyone expects her to be.

Now, now, now you say, well Raven still tried to be better than her father. However, this ignores once again that Raven's repression is not healthy, and just like Terra, she also turns evil fifteen squintillion times. Now this is where we get to the difference between text and subtext again. In the text Raven never chooses to turn evil, her father takes control of her body and makes her, or she gets possessed like when she ruined Kory and Dick's raven. Subtextually though, Raven is pulling a dark phoenix arc.

This is where we briefly touch upon something in another comic as an example DARK PHOENIX ARC, if you've read the X-Men comics is literally the most famous X-Men arc of all time.

The gist is that Jean Gray, a character who was until this point one of the most token good girl of good girl characters has an incredibly strong and hard to control power called the "Phoenix" that is repressed inside of her own head to try to keep under control. Jean Gray represses herself, limits her agency, and pushes her power away instead of trying to control it. However, the Hellfire Club ends up interfering with Jean and unelashing this suppressed power. THe power in its totality overwhelms Jean, and destroys her original identity and she renames herself "Dark Phoenix" and all of the powers she was repressing now come to the forefront, she becomes a force of destruction through the completely unrestrained use of her power.

Raven and Jean Gray share a lot in common, it's not particualrly subtle, however the point of the Dark Phoenix is that Jean Gray is that she could have learned to control her power and grown into her womanhood, and instead she never tried to work with her power sealed it to the back of her head, until she couldn't anymore. That's the thing about repression it's unheathly.

To give another example on why repression is BAD. Have you ever seen the movie Carrie? An incredibly similiar arc, a girl who was horribly abused not only by her religious mother, but also the people in the school around her suddenly develops a psychic power. In isolation, Carrie grows more and more unstable but is still trying to be a normal girl and get along with everyone. She eventually reaches her breaking point when the blood is dropped on her prom dress and from that point onward, Carrie completely snaps and decides to burn down the prom gym and rampage on the town.

All three of these characters are Carrie to a different extent, Raven wasn't taught to be herself just to suppress herself because she's evil deep down inside, Jean Gray was too afraid of her power so she sealed it away inside her own mind, Carrie was continually taught by her religious nut mother she was fundamentally evil and was not allowed to be a normal girl and was isolated in her highschool. They repress, they repress, they repress until they can't anymore and then they explode. Terra is just like, same superpowers, same isolation from other people, she just skips the repression phase and goes straight to the explosion. Though, you could argue that Terra continually living under the false identity as a hero IS her repression. Terra pretending to be a generic good girl hero not only makes it so the Teen Titans can't reach her in time, but living under a false identity for so long just makes her LOATHE the Teen Titans more.

Terra and Raven are the same person in that both their childhood / formative years, and their sense of self was destroyed by both the cicrumstances they were born under, and the powers they were born with, neither of these things they chose for themselves. They are both reacting to the abuse they suffered throughout their developmental years, Raven's coping mechanism is to be completely selfless, Terra doubles down on her selfishness. At the same time, this is horribly unhealthy for both of them, they both snap because neither of them know how to live as people in any healthy way. Terra's mystique, Raven is Carrie on Prom Night, neither of them are having a fun time.

The biggest thing they have in common though is they are both lonely little girls. I think something a lot of people don't understand about Raven's character because they're more familiar with the cartoon version than NTT is that Raven was not a team player. Raven, for the vast majority of the comic kept entirely to herself, showed up to say something ominious, teleported away. Raven is horribly isolated, doesn't really form emotional connections to people, and convinces herself that other people don't care about her.

You have one girl who only ever engages people through a fake persona, nobody on the team ever knows the real Terra, she sees every relationship as a transaction of a manipulation, when people try to show her concern or empathy she can't see that because she assumes they're looking down on her.

You have another girl who's teammates just don't get, and who basically interacts with all other humans as a space alien, because she was raised so far outside of society and she doesn't believe she deserves to have relationships with people in the first place. The second Terror of Trigon happens in the first place, because Raven has been getting more and more isolated and struggled with her father's powers and no one on the team notices because no one pays attention to Raven and when they try to she brushes them off.

You have two girls, one of them is always at the center of attention, the other one is always off in some dark corner and both of them are equally lonely and that's the greatest thing they have in common. I

If you're more curious on my take about the Terra and Raven foiling, I am writing a fanfic where Terra and Raven are the two main characters, here!

#terra #tara markov #raven #rachel roth #metasks #terra teen titans #dc asks #dc meta #dc comics #ntt #new teen titans #teen titans #raven teen titans #azarath #judas contract #terrarae #raven roth #teen titans meta

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jasonsthunderthighs · 2 years

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Dick got used to hallucinating Jason and even talked to him

but what if a newly resurrected Jason wanted to see Dick and walked into his apartment in the middle of the night? he thought Dick was sleeping but he was awake just lying in bed, Dick talked to him the same way he does every night, Jason kept visiting him until he revealed that he was the Redhood

Every secret Dick dumped on Jason, all the nights he cried and Jason held back from hugging him, the only time Dick doubted if it was real or not was when Jason declared himself while pretending to be a hallucination

'I don't think my heart is mine, from the moment I first saw you, it was no longer mine'

(I'm sorry I was just remembering the fact that Jason has seen Dick as his hero since before Dick became Robin)

I'M SO SORRY FOR ANSWERIN LATE, WORK IS HELL AND I'VE BEEN VERY BUSY WITH SO MUCH SHIT, MY FAVOURITE ANON! 😭

Ok, ok, ok, ok.

SO!

Dick would ONLY at first hallucinate Jason as a beaten up young boy in his Robin outfit, cause that's what he's seen last of Jason. Over the time of him doin this to cope, seein a grown ass Jason he was “hallucinatin” up till it's revealed that he IS real and is the very Red Hood he's been fightin.

Must've torn him up so badly, but gave him a trainwreck and rollercoaster of emotions.

He's DEVASTATED that he's Red Hood and has been fightin him when they both encounter.

But he's HAPPY that Jason's alive and not dead at all.

Dick when findin all of this out:

Jason afterwards:

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adalineozie · 7 months

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Dc comic ask

41,44,45

Thank you for the ask @camo-wolf!

41. Jon kent or Damian Wayne?

Damian Wayne...no wait, Jon Kent...but like...no it's definitely Damian...but Jon...my boys!! I'M SORRY No comment

44. Barry Allen or Wally West?

Wally West is my Flash.

45. Kara Zor-El, Stephanie Brown or Cassie sandsmark?

I'd have to go with Kara Zor-El because I'm more familiar with her and I love her comics.

#dc asks

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pynkhues · 2 years

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I know you're a fan of Joey/Pacey as well. If you were to write a one-shot where are they now episode, what's their relationship situation / status?

Oh man, I love Joey x Pacey, anon! They were such a formative ship for me, and I rewatched the series at the start of lockdown, and while parts of the show have aged, I don't think their relationship has? If anything, it almost feels more modern than ever, particularly with the way it's such a satisfying slowburn, enemies-to-friends-to-lovers that builds on genuine chemistry, mutual respect and empathy. It's just!! So!! Good!!!

Overall, I actually liked where they ended up in the finale too. I loved that Joey was working in publishing in New York, and I liked that Pacey was successful as a chef, even if he was unhappy in it and in being back in Capeside, and I, of course, haha, loved that they ended up together in New York.

I think if I was to write a fic, I'd keep Joey in publishing, but have Pacey struggle with working in restaurants in New York. That the pace and the people and the culture of those kitchens would grind him down and that he and Joey would find themselves circling these conversations of what his future looked like more than what their future looked like, because the latter they just know. They're each others now, after all, have made that choice over and over and it's Joey who reminds him, now, then, always, that she loves who he is, not what he does. That they'll figure it out, and Pacey doesn't know how he got this far in life without her.

Doesn't know how he struggled through school and work and life without the room Joey gives him, without the space to figure things out with unwavering openess and empathy and support, and maybe he starts to try and bring that to the junior chefs. Tries to offer them what he never got - little bits of advice, but also room for trial and error, for them to figure things out on their own, and these kids balk and try to one-up each other (and sometimes him) and snark, but slowly maybe they warm to it. To him. Start to bring him their ideas first, start to tell him what they want to do, their goals, their hopes, and then they even let him help them, and it's that that surprises him most of all, because somehow it just fits on him.

And he's expecting Joey to be as surprised if not even more so when he comes back to their dinky little apartment and tells her he thinks he wants to be a highschool teacher, be for some kids what no one in Capeside ever was for him, but Joey just smiles at him, that bright, rising sun one that always cleared the dark, and when she kisses him breathless, says Mr. Witter has a nice ring to it, he falls in love with her all over again.

And I think it's hard work, but I think Joey and Pacey always make it work. I think they choose not to have kids, because they spent too much of their lives fractured by their relationships with their own parents, and in Joey's case, too long helping raise her nephew, and they have enough kids in their lives to get their fix where they need to. Instead, they shift into adulthood in a world surrounded by books and learning and growing and always each other and the freedom and support of a life that's theirs, and one day they'll sail again on a ship called True Love, because that much, at least, has never changed.

#i always go back and forth on whether or not they'd have kids #but i tend to lean towards no?#they were both so damaged by their fathers #and while i think they'd both like to do better than them #i think they both understand that they'll never entirely disentangle from that trauma too #and that to bring a kid into that would change their relationship in ways neither of them want #idk though!#thank you for the ask!#this was a really fun one to think about #joey x pacey #joey potter #pacey witter #dawson's creek #dc asks #welcome to my ama

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