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ihni · 1 year
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Another Harringrove for Turkey commission for @robthegoodfellow. A scene from their fic Sideways (chapter 2). Billy crashes a demodog fight and abruptly finds out about monsters.
(Please forgive my inability to draw cars. And demodogs.)
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idiotcurls · 1 year
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I love how through out the seasons we get to learn how tightly wound Stevie is.
In season one, when Carol thinks she has a frostbite on her foot and puts her whole leg on the cafeteria table Steve goes, EW GROSS PUT THAT OFF WE'RE EATING HERE
In season two he is GROSSED the FUCK out when Dustin makes him put the demodog carcass into the Byers' fridge. "Steve, this isn't a normal body. It could be a scientific discovery."
Bless him.
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miiroren · 1 year
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upside down besties <3
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cloverfluffyhoof · 5 months
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absolutely wild that stranger things decided to give us this sweet innocent character with a cute little nickname like bob the brains and then KILL HIM HORRIBLY IN FRONT OF US and then MAKE US WATCH THE CREATURES FEED ON HIS CORPSE i am in shambles.
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thegayhimbo · 10 months
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Stranger Things Winter Special Review
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Warning: The following review contains MAJOR SPOILERS!!!!
Synopsis: It’s the Winter of 1984, and El is celebrating Christmas with the Byers family and her friends for the first time....
Observations:
As far as one-shot, stand-alone comics go, this was enjoyable. The synopsis I gave speaks for itself: It’s about El celebrating Christmas over at Joyce’s house with her friends and family as they give her a cool present (the cover pretty much spoils what said present is), tell her about their favorite Christmas Specials, and help her get into the Christmas mood. The entire comic is basically a Christmas Special of Stranger Things, and I like that.
Something I found clever about the way the Christmas Specials are drawn in this comic when El’s friends are describing them to her is the way El imagines the stories in her head. Because El’s been isolated for almost all of her life (12 years at Hawkins Lab, and an entire year being cooped up in Hopper’s Cabin), she’s been limited in how many people she’s met. So when she’s imagining the Christmas Specials in her head, she substitutes the people (and creatures) she’s encountered in her life in place of the actual characters from those stories.
For example, when Mike is telling her about the origins of Santa Clause, she imagines Hopper as Santa, Joyce as Mrs. Clause, and her friends as elves:
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Likewise, when Lucas tells her the story of How the Grinch Stole Christmas, she imagines the Demogorgon in the role of the Grinch:
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Same thing with A Christmas Carol, except it's Dr. Brenner as Mr. Scrooge, and Scott Clarke as Bob Cratchit:
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And then, of course, there's A Charlie Brown Christmas, where El imagines Dustin and Dart the demodog in the role of Charlie Brown and Snoopy:
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The way this was handled by the writers and artists was brilliant.
I also appreciate how they subtly reference El’s time the previous year as a fugitive in the woods. There’s a scene when the Party finds an injured rabbit outside, and El, remembering how she had to eat a rabbit to survive at the time, decides to take the rabbit back to Joyce’s house to fix its leg:
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It’s a little sappy, but it works in the context on the comic.
Other references I appreciated:
The call-back to the dog the Byers family had in season 1. They never clarified what happened to him on the show, but the implication was he passed away. This comic confirms that:
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There’s also Hopper’s gift of Hungry Hungry Hippos, which I believe was referenced at one point during the show:
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There’s another reference I’m glad they included: Remember in the season 2 finale when Steve and Dustin shove a dead demodog into Joyce’s fridge to preserve it “for scientific purposes?” The show doesn’t ever revisit that moment again, but this comic does:
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Basically, it turned into sludge, and Joyce was not happy with Steve and Dustin when she found it in her fridge.
I don’t know if that’s officially canon on the show, but I consider it such because it fills in the plot-hole of having a bunch of dead demodogs all over Hawkins after the gate closed with no residents discovering them by accident. It also explains what happened to the Meat Flayer’s flesh-body after the Russian gate was destroyed in season 3:
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That must have been a fun mess for Dr. Owens and his crew to clean up! 🤣 
One last thing: This moment from Steve when he’s driving Dustin, Mike, and Lucas to the Byers house:
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Sure, Steve. 😂 
On the whole, this is a fun comic with plenty of neat call-backs, nice character moments, and a cheerful Christmas mood. Check it out if you get the chance! :)
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0aurelion-sol0 · 2 years
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I just have this strange feeling of... danger while looking at this.
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This storyline feels really a tad too perfect...
Red bicycle, you still haunt my deepest dreams though.
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All of this is something important; about something important. I just can't put all of it on what exactly. >.<
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It smells like danger but what type of danger ? AARGH!!!! Mind, you need to work this out, this is our boy we are talking about!
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insomniacirl · 10 months
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Give me Season 5 Stranger Things, all of them split up into groups, all of them finding their way into the Upside Down- each group being chased by a different set of horrors from the previous seasons.
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friendly reminder that just about everything in the Upside Down (minus Henry and his bugsona) is an animal, with no malicious thoughts going through their brains normally
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Henry made these fellas literally go against their instinct to live solitary lives because he has everyone issues
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artthoufruity · 11 months
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The fact all of the upside down monsters are based of DND monsters makes the theory that Will created everything inside the upside down with his imagination and biggest fears make so much sense, like not to sound totally delulu here but like wouldn't it be so cool if the upside down monsters are just Wills biggest fears encapsulated into DND monster form bc that's the scariest physical thing little Will can think of. Cause they don't look spiderish like the mindflayer that 001 created so he likely didn't create them, so someone else (will) probably did.
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scripted-downfall · 2 years
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Obviously, I'm as much a collector of how-to-bring-back-Eddie theories as the next good fellow, but I think it'd be especially funny for him to come back as a vampire just so Steve can have a moment of (fully-deserved) I told you so.
(Yes, this is about, "Stake? Is he like a vamp-Is he a vampire?")
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ihni · 1 year
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Idea from a chat on a discord server: Billy and Eddie come back from the Upside Down with a pack of demodogs which they refuse to give up. Hopper, at first, refuses to have anything to do with them, but they like him so of course they end up like this in the end.
(The demodogs are: Jesus Christ on the floor to the left, Pookie to the right. Princess is curled around Hopper's shoulders and drooling on him, Muffin is is on the armrest, and then the little runt is Balthazar 6th Destroyer of Hell, as named by the people on discord ...)
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whenin-westview · 1 year
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Stranger Things 5 Theory
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I think season 4 of Stranger Things has already established how Vecna could bring people “back to life”.
In the Russian plotline, they show us this lab with the Mind Flayer particles trapped in a tank alongside many dead demodogs. When Joyce, Hopper, and Murray return to the prison/lab to destroy the particles (part of the hive mind) to help the kids in Hawkins, they discover something that I think will be a key point in the future of the series.
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They return to the lab and find that the particles are no longer contained. When they ask one of the workers, he tells them that they got loose and went “into them”, which is referring to the demodogs. We clearly see that they were dead in previous scenes, and now the tanks are all broken apart. While they may not be “alive” in the sense of sentience, they are no longer dead.
Why would the Duffers include this detail if it wasn’t important? There was no need for the dead demodogs to come back to life. They could’ve written in that they had demodogs locked up to study and those got loose. They could’ve had the particles go into the alive demogorgon and just have them try to destroy it with the particles inside of it. But they specifically wrote in that the particles brought these dead creatures back to life. I think this will play into Vecna’s future plan. Now, this could apply to Eddie in some way. The Eddie will come back / Eddie is Kas theory is super popular and this could be how Vecna achieves it. But it could also apply to others.
This is a much further reach, but in season 4 episode 7, Dustin says, “How many times do I have to be right on the money before you trust me?” And in season 2, when Hopper asks how to defeat a Mind Flayer, Dustin says with an army of the undead because they have no brains for him to control. Now, this would probably be way too dark for the show, but what if that comes back into play? If Vecna can control the particles, it’s likely El can too. What if she uses the Mind Flayer to reanimate people into an army of the undead to fight back because Vecna won’t be able to get into their heads to stop them or even sense that they’re there?
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miiroren · 2 years
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i can’t remember if i posted this on here already BUT i have a theory that all the parallels between will and henry ARE for a reason, however it’s not because of will having a villain arc. i think they’re paralleling the two because will has the potential to control the mind flayer.
the mind flayer is just made of the particles, right? henry found them in the place el sent him, and he shaped them into what we know the mind flayer to look like. i think that will has the potential to do the same thing. maybe this is why he took will in season 1? he could sense that will was a threat to his mission, and he 1. wanted will to join him, 2. wanted him out of the picture, or 3. some other reason i haven’t thought of lol. if will could control them too, then he can control the mind flayer, the demogorgon/demodogs, the bats—all that stuff (because i’m pretty sure the only reason vecna controls them is because the particles are inside of them too, like the mind flayer was in will in s2 and the flayed in s3).
maybe i’m totally crazy and just want will with powers and will being badass, but i REALLY feel like there’s a reason we’re seeing these parallels, and there’s a reason vecna kept will alive.
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nerd-izzy-art · 2 years
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Stranger Things Monster Drawings
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Spoilers for Stranger Things 4 below
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thegayhimbo · 8 months
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Stranger Things Kamchatka Review (and my thoughts on the Russian arc as a whole)
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Warning: The following review contains MAJOR SPOILERS from the comic, as well as season 4 of Stranger Things!
If you haven't yet, be sure to check out my other Stranger Things Reviews:
Stranger Things Six
Stranger Things Halloween Special
Stranger Things The Other Side
Stranger Things Zombie Boys
Stranger Things The Bully
Stranger Things Winter Special
Stranger Things Tomb of Ybwen
Stranger Things Into The Fire
Stranger Things Science Camp
Stranger Things "The Game Master" and "Erica's Quest"
Stranger Things and Dungeons and Dragons
Synopsis: In dark wintry Russia, Soviet scientists and military personnel oversee a new weapon they hope to use in their Cold War against the United States: A Demogorgon. To this end, they have enlisted the help of Dr. Boris Orlov to give them a device that will allow the monster to maintain its full strength. However, when Orlov refuses them and hides the device, he is taken prisoner to Kamchatka where the Demogorgon is being held. Now, with the help of an ex-KGB agent named Mr. Frost, it's up to Orlov's children, Anna and Lenoid, to save their father and prevent the device from falling into the Kremlin's hands......
Observations:
This is going to be a different review from what I usually do. The first part of this will discuss the comic itself and its merits/flaws, whereas the second will give more details about my thoughts concerning the Russian arc from seasons 3-4 and its placement on the show.
Part 1: The Comic
There are two ways I judge this comic: As an individual story, and how it ties into the Stranger Things universe.
In regards to the former, the comic works well as a thrilling Cold War spy narrative. It's fast-paced, the fight and chase scenes are intense, and it manages to capture the paranoia of living in the Soviet Union during a time when your words and actions were monitored and there was the constant threat of the KGB coming to arrest you for being a traitor to the motherland.
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The artwork is impressive. From the white and grey hues depicting the bleak endless winters of Russia, to the ominous red and orange lighting of the prison, this comic does a great job with its dark colors and use of shadows to creepy effect:
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On top of that, this is arguably one of the most violent comics in the series, which is saying something given the show it's based on. They do not shy away from depicting graphic scenes here:
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The way the Demogorgon attacks its prey reminds me of the viciousness the Xenomorphs from the Alien series displayed towards their victims. Given how 80s movies like Aliens served as inspiration for Stranger Things and for the design of the Demogorgon in the first place, this was likely a subtle nod to that. The comic writers and artists know how to utilize the Demogorgon for all its scariness and brutality. Considering the same people for this comic have written another story (The Voyage) featuring the Demogorgon stalking and killing the crew of a freighter ship (which sounds similar to the plot of the first Alien movie), they're planning on milking the monster for all it's worth.
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There are two main antagonists besides the Demogorgon: The first is Ivan Kolochev, who comes across like Darth Vader if he was a Russian KGB agent. He's the one who hunts the kids in order to get their father's device, and it's revealed he was the former protégé of Mr. Frost during the time they both served the Kremlin. Ivan later turned on Frost for becoming soft in his eyes, which forced Frost to go into hiding and abandon his wife and daughter for their own safety:
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The second antagonist is Dr. Karine. She's the one overseeing the Demogorgon at Kamchatka, and was revealed to have worked under Alexei and General Stepanov when they first tried (and failed) to open the gate to the Upside Down on June 28th, 1984. She was one of the survivors from the blast, and later discovered a pollywog that she nursed into adulthood:
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Best way I know how to describe her is she's similar to Dr. Irina Spalko from Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull in their ruthlessness, their desire to advance the Soviet Union's cause, and their fascination with abnormal branches of science. They even look physically similar in some respects:
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In terms of the main characters, Mr. Frost was the interesting one. A man who ran from the KGB for 15 years and was skilled enough to survive and help two kids who were out of their depth. The story behind him abandoning his family for their safety was sad, and his reunion with daughter later on is heartwearming:
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My only criticism of Frost is I wish they'd gone more in depth about his mindset. He tells the kids at the beginning of the comic he's disillusioned with what his country has become, and flashbacks show him becoming lenient in his interrogations, which gets him in trouble with the Kremlin. However, they never elaborated on how he got to that point. They never clarify if he began developing empathy for the Americans who were being tortured by the KGB, if he became tired from years of interrogating prisoners, if he began to fear he was turning Ivan into a monster by taking him in as a pupil, or if something else happened that made him re-evaluate his beliefs.
There's also his relationship/rivalry with Ivan. From the way Frost tells it, he raised Ivan like a son when he found him on the streets and took him in, only to later be betrayed by Ivan because he would "take the Americans side" whenever Ivan tortured prisoners. At the end of the comic though, Ivan accuses Frost of caring more about the rules and the state than about him, suggesting he felt Frost personally betrayed him.
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Maybe it was intentionally written to be vague and let the audience decide who was more at fault for Ivan's descent into sadism, but considering we don't get many scenes showing what Ivan and Frost's relationship was like before they fell out with one another, it comes off like an aspect of the story (and Frost's character) that wasn't properly fleshed-out.
As for the kids and Dr. Orlov, they're pretty flat as characters. Anna and Lenoid have scenes showing they care for one another, but they don't really have personalities beyond them trying to find their father. Same for Dr. Orlov: Aside from one moment where he briefly delays Dr. Karine's plans by screwing over another scientist, he's basically a Damsel in Distress (or in this case, a Dude in Distress) waiting to be rescued. There isn't a lot to these characters that's engaging.
And this brings me to the crux of the problem I have with this comic: Setting it in the Stranger Things universe.
If this was just an individual Cold War thriller taking place in Russia, that would be one thing. In fact, I argue this comic works better if it isn't tied to Stranger Things. Just tweak a few plot details, change the Demogorgon to a different monster, and you have an original and unique story. By trying to shove it into the Stranger Things narrative, it creates a whole host of issues.
For one thing, it's highly unlikely Dr. Orlov or Anna and Lenoid are going to make a canonical appearance on the show. Because of that, it's hard to get invested in them or their story, and it doesn't help that the two characters who were interesting (Frost and Ivan) die at the end of the comic. There's maybe the possibility of Dr. Karine showing up in season 5, but since she made no appearance in season 4 during the Kamchatka arc, I seriously doubt that.
I've said this before, but I'm tired of them focusing on characters who either aren't important to the main plot, or aren't canonically part of the show. I'm not opposed to them doing a comic set in Russia, but it should help enhance the ongoing story and characters from the show instead of being a pointless side detour with Easter Eggs sprinkled in.
Take Hopper for instance: He spent 8 months imprisoned at Kamchatka prior to season 4. Why not write a story that focuses on his time there and how he learned to survive the harsh conditions of the prison and his torture by the Russians? Why not give more details about how he met Enzo/Dmitri, how they came to trust each other, and how they formed their initial plan for Hopper to escape?
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For that matter, why not have a comic focused on Enzo/Dmitri? They could go more into detail about his life as a prison guard at Kamchatka, his relationship with his son, and so on.
Same with Yuri. I don't particularly like his character, but he at least was relevant to the show, and has a backstory as the "Peanut Butter Smuggler" that's ripe with potential.
They did this with Will and Bob in Tomb of Ybwen, and they did this with Dustin and Suzie in Science Camp, so I don't see why they couldn't have done that for either Hopper, Enzo, or Yuri.
Then there's the plot involving the McGuffin: A device created by Dr. Orlov that amplifies telekinetic abilities which Dr. Karine wants to keep the Demogorgon alive. Long story short: The Demogorgon is slowly dying because it can't live in our world and needs to be connected to its source (the hive mind) which the device allows it to do.
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Now maybe I'm remember this wrong from the show (and feel free to correct me in the comment section if that's the case), but my understanding was that Demogorgons, Demodogs, and anything infected by the Mind Flayer (which was revealed to be controlled by Vecna) would cease living if the gate closed. There was a whole deal made in season 2 about getting the Mind Flayer particles out of Will before El shut the gate at Hawkins Lab because he would die otherwise.
However, when it comes to the Soviet's Demogorgon, I was under the impression it wasn't infected by the Mind Flayer, which is why it was still alive once the Russian Gate closed in season 3.
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Same thing for the Demodog on the operating table that was being vivisected: My impression was it didn't have the Mind Flayer particles in it either, which is why it was active before Hopper shot it.
All of this makes the telekinetic device used to keep the Demogorgon alive look like a major plot-hole. The Soviet Demogorgon is never seen wearing the device once on the show, even though the comic puts a major emphasis on needing to wear it to survive.
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It seems like an unnecessary element to the mythology given the show didn't bother to include it, and it's one I don't care for.
(Side Note: This is a question that's bothered me for a while now, but was the Hive Mind already a part of the Upside Down before Vecna arrived there, and he simply hijacked it when he used the black particles to create the Mind Flayer? Or did Vecna create the Hive Mind by forming the Mind Flayer and using that to infect almost every living being in the Upside Down and link their minds to his?)
Overall, my feelings about this comic are mixed. Some aspects like the artwork, the tone, and the Cold War setting work well, but the characters aren't memorable and the attempts to link the story to the Stranger Things Universe is handled in a clumsy way.
Part 2: The Russian Arc
When it comes to the Russian Arc in seasons 3-4. I know the general consensus has been fans questioning the point of it, with feelings ranging from indifference to outright negativity. In many ways, I get it. Out of all the directions they could have gone with the main story, this is not one I expected them to go either, and I'm still wondering whether there's a future payoff coming that will make it all worth it.
That being said, I don't hate this arc like some people do, and I even know a few people who like it. My dad for instance, who grew up in the 50s and 60s during the height of Cold War paranoia and the fear of Russians infiltrating the United States, thought the show did a good job recapturing those feelings and memories. He also liked how the show emphasized how the danger of the Upside Down wasn't just limited to Hawkins, and that it was important to show Vecna as a threat worldwide. I can see his perspective, and it has made me reevalute some aspects of the arc again, but my feelings still remain mixed at best.
I know when Season 3 came out in 2019, there was a podcast with the Duffer Brothers and producer Shawn Levy giving details about their reasoning for introducing the Russians:
Shawn Levy: “We’ve seen the Americans and now the Soviets trying to harness the power that seems to reside in the Upside Down through that gate. We’ve seen both sides of the Cold War now try to tap into it and control it in order to weaponize it so it felt like a really compelling way to take a real-world fear, an actual authentic historical paranoia, and to mix it with a very specific sci-fi genre plot that is unique to Stranger Things.”
Matt Duffer: “We always struggled a little bit with the U.S. government as the bad guys because there’s only so many times you can punch and/or kill U.S. government or military personal before you get locked away in America. So in a sense, they [The Russians] were an easier human villain because we could do a lot more with them.”
On paper, the writers wanting to explore themes relating to the Cold War and delve more into the paranoia surrounding the Red Scare wasn't a bad idea on its own. The way it was executed on the show, however, left a lot to be desired.
I'm not a fan of how the Russians were depicted in season 3. Not only did they come off as cartoonish buffoons and stereotypes, but they weren't threatening as antagonists. I never got the sense of menace or the intimidating presence I felt when Dr. Brenner or Colonel Sullivan's men showed up looking for El and anyone associated with her. And compared to villains like Dr. Brenner and Vecna, who evoked feelings of fear and revulsion, I felt no similar emotions for the Russians because I had a hard time taking them seriously. My suspension of disbelief breaks whenever I think too hard about how they were able to build their underground base at Starcourt Mall in less than a year. They were portrayed in such a bumbling manner that I didn't buy it.
Even Alexei is a character I'm not a fan of. There was always something irksome to me about the show portraying him in a childlike, naive manner in spite of the fact he knowingly opened a portal to a different dimension to capture monsters to use as weapons, which ended up getting a bunch of people killed in the process. The ONLY thing I liked about this arc was the formation of the Scoops Troop and the interactions between Steve, Dustin, Erica, and Robin.
Season 4 is different: Part of this may be due to a different perspective considering this season came out 3 months after the real life Russian Invasion of Ukraine, but the Russians were creepy compared to the previous season. There was a sadistic, cruel inhumanity to the way they acted that made them menacing. The vicious torture of Hopper. The pit where prisoners were fed to the Demogorgon and the whole thing being treated for sport by the guards. The lack of any basic human rights for the prisoners at Kamchatka. Even the vivisection of the still-alive demodog was horrifying. There was a brutality from the Russians that was chilling to watch, and it made them more insidious than before.
I liked the Russian arc in season 4 better than season 3. I enjoyed Enzo/Dmitri's character and loved the friendship that developed between him and Hopper. I liked seeing Hopper's character development where he became more level-headed and introspective compared to how impulsive and hot-headed he was in season 3. I enjoyed the break-in to the prison and how reminiscent it was of video games like the Resident Evil and Outlast series in tone, setting, and sense of danger. I also loved both fights between Hopper and the Demogorgon, despite how corny some people claim they were.
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Just because something has flaws doesn't mean it can't have good elements to it as well. Compared to controversial arcs from other TV shows, this one had enjoyable moments, and it's not one I mind rewatching again.
I acknowledge that all of this is my personal opinion, and I don't speak for everyone in regards to how they feel about the Russian arc.
I also recognize there are still questions that need to be answered for season 5. Like how the Russians found out about the Upside Down in the first place: Was there a mole at Hawkins Lab that Dr. Brenner was unaware of, or did they discover it through other means? How did they get that piece of the Mind Flayer into the glass case without getting infected by it? Is Kamchatka the only facility that houses monsters from the Upside Down, or are there others? Do the Russians know about Vecna? What happened to Enzo and Yuri, and are they coming back? Will the Russians return to Hawkins to exact revenge for the destruction of their facility at Kamchatka, or to try and capture more monsters from the Upside Down?
In spite of these questions, I am willing to give the Duffer Brothers the benefit of the doubt in believing they will tie this together. As I've said before, I'm still looking forward to season 5! :)
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0aurelion-sol0 · 2 years
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I wonder if we'll see the Byers's old house again... 🤔
Like, what's it look like now ? How is it in there ? Does something happen in it ? Like UD related ?
I feel like no one would've bought this house given & knowing what happened in it or near it and how close it is to the Lab.
It's probably abandoned by now.
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Heh. Imagine how cool it would be if someday they do a poster and tagline like the ones we got before Vol. 1 released...
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...but with the Byers's old house in the background but all sinister, dark and reddish.
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005. "There's no place like home."
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No for real though, are we going to see this house again someday ? Would feel weird if we don't at least see a glimpse of it given how much happened there and how everything basically started there...
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