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plutoswrath · 2 years

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Hii! I read somewhere that some of jaehyun's placements (his saturn being one I think) indicates that he's either insecure or unsure about himself and has a lot of inner conflict and I was wondering if you could expand on that.

Some astro musings on Jaehyun - our beloved Valentine...

Hello!

Buckle up, this is going to be interesting, because I have a lot to say on this topic, lol.

People mainly talk about his 12th house stellium in Aquarius (which is co-ruled by Saturn), as well as his Saturn influence in his chart.

The 'not knowing himself' mainly refers to his 12th house, and while I do get where this train of thought is coming from, I have to disagree that it makes Jaehyun unaware of who he is. The 12th house is known to cause an absence of the themes of said planet that sits in it, therefore the individual will develope their very own and usually very unique definition of the themes of the planet. The 12th house is also our subconscious and subconscious self, the side of us we don't see/have troubles accepting,but also the side of us we wished we could personify, it is literally the self we dream of being and wished we could be in another life.

Same as retrograde planets, 12th house placements manifest differently than those who have them direct or in other houses. Usually the individual will gain a better picture of how to approach and define these 12th house planets/topics after a lot of retrospection: at best they seek solitude to develope mindfullness about their dream and desires. Jaehyun having his 12th house stellium in Aquarius can add to a rather closed off, introverted and even stand off-ish nature.

You know what, now that we're talking about this, I know a lot of people wonder why his character (at least to what he seems to be showing to us) changed so drastically when he started out as a nct member. Think about Jaehyun during the 7th sense, fire truck and limitless era and then when they moved on to Simon Says, Regular, Superhuman, etc. One theme about the 12th house (more so when you have placements in there) is the disillusion. Since the planets themes seem always somehow out of reach, you spend a lot of time dreaming and imagining what it must be like finally experiencing it, bathing in it's pure essence. But when it happens and the expectations can't be fulfilled it can lead to massive disappointment. To summarize, I think all the reasons why and how he changed his public persona and character play into the ways the 12th house manifests. We have the Sun, Venus and Mercury in the 12th house, all very important planets when it comes to how you connect with others, what your self is, and how you verbalize yourself and articulate your inner world to others. I do think that one part of the massive disillusion of the 12th house (especially since Sun and Venus in the 12th house can hint to an individual dreaming of being popular/famous, and being socially in touch with his world) happened when it came to him being a public persona, the character he had to play, and the way fans had access and wanted to have access to his personality.

This makes especially sense since they all start out as children and mostly all debuted as children, being right in the process of building the foundation of your sense of self. Fame has its price. And someone who has Sun, Venus and Mercury in the 12th (with whole signs his second chart ruler Jupiter, and Uranus are also in the 12th house), he was perfect to be modelled to the company's wishes as well as the fans desired persona of him.

That's why the 12th house his also known for projection. 12th house placement natives spend a good time of their life constantly figuring out and forming the themes of the planet(s) in this house. While they do that, they are usually very lowkey in expressing said planet. 12th house planets generally can lack assertiveness in their self expression too, adding to others projecting onto them and modeling their character to their wishes.

That's why you hear people say 12th house Sun natives are often perceived as trying to hold back and unassuming (or compensating by being overly ego focused). That's why you hear people say 12th house mercury natives only speak up when they really have something important to say, something of the heart.

Meanwhile the people engaging with the 12th house native will read into their lowkey behavior and project their ideal onto them. And at worst, the 12th house person will play into it and be shaped by the expectations of others. Why? Self exploration. Even if it's out of character behaviour for them, they understand that the themes of the planet in the 12th house is without boundaries, there is more to it than other people usually see, so they dive right into it: to experience the themes of the planets in the 12th house is to find and explore the (hidden) self, and that comes with every single possible outcome, good and bad.

I'm not trying to victimize and belittle 12th house natives at all (using whole signs I have 12th house placements as well), but that's why people say the 12th house individual can fall victim to those with ill intentions. And I always believed wholeheartedly Jaehyun is a good example of becoming a victim of fame when we look at the way a lot of fans see him and treat him. All of the members have to act accordingly to the company’s wishes and perform a role as a public figure, they have to play into fantasies, but the character that was oh so neatly constructed by the company (and the fans) for Jaehyun seems to be causing him to retreat more and more into the 12th house shell.

And with that I don't think he is fake. I don't think he fakes a lot at all tbf, his unassuming and laid back nature caused by the 12th house is just too perfect for people to continue projecting onto and reading into him. It all works too well, but it's also a vicious circle. And yes, his Pisces Ascendant adds right into it by subconsciously mirroring and becoming exactly what people want him to be.

Also, Aquarius sitting in the 12th house is an interesting mixture too, since Aquarius is a sign that actually stands for detachement and observing groups. Small excourse here pls do not mind It's often wrongly portrayed as the sign that is inherently just very fond of groups and friendships (that's 11th house matters tho), but actually Aquarius is the lone scientist, the field explorer that joins and experiences a lot of groups for its studies on humanity. That's why Aquarius is the water bearer, the one who dedicated their life to study humans and human emotion. After all, Aquarius has to find the group they feel most comfortable with, since they can easily feel pretty alienated all the time, I feel like that's more so the inherent emotion this sign can carry, therefore it seeks and dreams of belonging to a group often times.

That all being said, I feel like this also adds to Jaheyun's detached behaviour. The members also say he is sometimes suddenly unavailable (doesn't answer texts/calls, doesn't appear to meet ups) and we know he is fond of his alone time, and indulging in his hobbies and the arts. Let's not forget he has a Taurus Moon, this man probably looooves leisuring, lol.

Okay, I want to shortly touch on his Saturn in Aries in the 1st. Saturn in Aries can easily cause feelings of powerlessness, since it puts a restriction on actualizing the self, and using ones power to go for what one really wants. Aries fighter nature gets toned down by Saturn, and on top of that it's in a opposition with his Libra Mars, which is already a sign that is in detriment in Mars.

I can imagine that, especially when we add the themes and topics of his 12th house stellium and Pisces Ascendant, it can cause a feeling similar to fainting when looking in the eye of the problem. It's causing defeat, and denying the self due to limited options. And I feel that people directing who he is, especially under the management of SM, can be one root of this problem. Using the whole sign house system his Saturn in Aries would be in the 2nd, and while now, especially in the year 2022 Jaheyun has had many opportunities to work for brands, I do think that this inability to assert the self led to him missing opportunities in solo activities he really wanted to do, establishing his 'own brand' and ofc making money in his prefered ways and desires caree fields. But also, looking at his solo activities now I'm glad thing seem to work out better his way, allthough I need to check out other charts of his, such as transits, solar return, etc. to get a better look inside of the current energies.

Oh, and on the last note, because you've mentioned 'he's hard on himself'. Yeah, I think when he's not avoiding and detached, fleeing from his feelings and the reality of a situation (typical 12th house and Pisces Ascendant thing to do), he is probably very hard on himself. Saturn has a tight grip on his chart, but how he deals with that depends heavily if he is able to take responsibility, even if it's things that weren't necessarily caused directly by him.

Saturn forces us to take responsibility, the Pisces, 12th house, Neptune (and also Jupiter tbh) influence want him to remain in a dream as long as he can, till the pain is too big to ignore any longer. He might be constantly battling between feeling hopeful and powerless.

He might be in a weird limbo state of being half awake, half aslepp, half conscious, half unconscious.

Whatever it might be, this Neptunian chart will make sure that we will never truly know.

#finally writing all of this off my chest felt cathartic ngl #looooool that was so long you'll never catch me talking about jaehyun that much and especially so in depth but here we are #nct #nct 127 #jaehyun #nct jaehyun #nct astrology #kpop astrology #kpop astro #nct headcanons #nct personality reading #jeong jaehyun

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tarotnoob · 2 years

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PAC: A message from the stars, Celestial Bodies oracle reading

Select one of these three cards and scroll for your oracle reading. The Celestial Bodies deck is a great astrological deck that's super creepy in how on point (and deep) it tends to get. It will probably go into your natal chart placements and give messages more about your life path or other themes you'd expect from astrology readings.

Pile 1: Scorpio "I Transform" 20

Pile 2: Fire Element "Desire" 37

Pile 3: Earth Element "Stability" 38

Pile 1: Scorpio "I Transform"

I want to talk about themes brought up in these cards before I go into your message. With Scorpio, we have transformative energy, 8th house matters, deep feelings, Pluto. With Mercury, we have matters of thinking, communication, writing, intellect, Gemini/Virgo - but what I found interesting and why this deck is creepy is that in the guidebook it mentions Mercury was able to fly into Hades without being scarred. Pluto can be about death/rebirth, sex, taxes (heh). South Node/North Node (are nodes of the moon) that represent your past life energy/comfort zone and North Node is the direction you're pushed to in this lifetime in order to grow, so in a sense, they're kind of two worlds in the way that (before Pluto became de-planeted), we start at Mercury and end at Pluto, so we're talking about this bridge between the start of a cycle and an end, maybe life/death stuff, big, deep, unconscious or psychological issues or profound spiritual awakenings we'd expect from the 12th house. So, essentially this is a pile about thinking BIG DEEP PROFOUND THOUGHTS about, probably, who we are, who we've been, who will become or evolve into, and it seems to mean more than just this incarnation, it's something to do with a whole soul journey analogy. I also feel like we're talking about cycles because Scorpio represents life/death and 12th house (Pisces) is the end of the astrological cycle.

Cards: Mercury, 12th House, South Node/North Node

Back of Deck: The Moon

Now, as a message - there are some of you who maybe in the last year or few years or just in life in general who've experienced some kind of profound loss (death of loved ones) or potentially some serious mental health issues such as depression, anxiety, bpd, borderline, schizophrenia - so on. The 12th house is kind of a dumping ground for leftover house stuff, but it's sort of that weird line between genius and madness or like... where you'd expect people who think they're Jesus to live. Or people who've had divine experiences where they've seen or talked to angels, etc...

With the Moon at the back, we also know we're talking about cycles, emotions, phases - and since it's a full moon, we're talking about thinks ending and releasing. I don't want to freak anyone out, but as a prophetic portion of this message if one hasn't just been thinking deeply about death/life/reincarnation/general sad stuff, there may have recently been or will be loss of life in the near future if you haven't already experienced that in the past... year is what I feel.

Don't feel like that's truly prophetic, though, because with Mercury here there are a couple of options that make this seem more about dwelling, thinking about (8th house matters). Since we have "I transform", you could be experiencing a spiritual/cognitive overhaul of sometype. I would guess it would have been triggered by a death or mental health issue or some type of shock or scare - but we're also talking about someone who, figuratively, travels to/through hell but still returns to tell about it? I also think this could be for people who use those types of (8th house-12th house) experiences in life and writes about them, shares stories in some way, journals - like this would be a good pile for writers who want to write books about death or the paranormal. It's a very macabre pile. Or maybe if you just have a lot of interest in the darker aspects of life, maybe you watch a lot of murder documentaries. But, then what would that have to do with our comfort zone/south node and our life purpose/north node... well besides one being our origin story and the other being our destination point.

The lightest way to interpret the pile is a spiritual or shadow transformation of the self, particularly our emotions and the way we think and communicate - but the really deep stuff, maybe even things that our transforming within our unconscious/mind simply because of the journey/experiences we have in this incarnation. It's almost like there are two worlds and that's simplifying it. There's the material and tangible experiences we have during our incarnation, we'll just call it LIFE, and then let's say there's the soul's journey. The source energy we've had since our very first incarnation along with all of the EXP it's gained throughout all the other incarnations where your one goal is to take the knowledge you acquired in the previous incarnation and then follow some map of the soul for this life and move toward that point and it's all connected to some soul map you agreed to before being born that you can't remember bc it lives in your unconscious somewhere. So it feels like some deep, buried part of your "soul" which would reside probably in your brain and then obviously the unconscious and how we think is often tied to how we feel - but because we're talking 12th house, I guess it feels like it's a transformation that's happening to you/us - but we aren't even AWARE of it, which makes sense with Scorpio here, too, because Scorpio is all about trying to reveal things that are hidden or deep.

I also feel like taboos would make sense for this pile, whether sexual or psychological - drug use, fetishes, dark stuff yo.

What also seems to be going on is... some really dark stuff, whether it's past life or if it's repressed things from childhood or who knows where, seem to or will surface. Maybe it has to do with where the moon is or where pluto is or how pluto and mercury are situated - but there is a sense of... old stuff resurfacing. Maybe merc retrograde is coming up, as well - perhaps some memories of old experiences will start to flit through your mind, maybe past sexual partners - just all sorts of old things coming to the surface in the present and you may suddenly find yourself wondering: why am i thinking about that? why am i thinking about that person i haven't talked to in 15 years?

it could be that that person or that repressed memory wasn't "properly" dealt with and you may have to go out of your comfort zone and move toward another "door" so that you can transform or transmute those feelings into something better or higher level.

you may also find yourself having weird dreams or even nightmares during this time.

I guess I'll just say expect a profound period of psychological and emotional MOMENTZ, lots of deep things surfacing, things you might do a lot of thinking about or even writing about. some of you may be doing shadow work or going to therapy or even receiving some type of hospitalization services for mental health or psychosis.

but also the point i think isn't just the suffering or dark stuff that's there or treated like it's not there - the full moon makes it feel like it's a good time to release this stuff for the sake of a catharsis.

but let's try to go lighter. other relevant issues or messages could simply be someone considering some kinky times with a partner. some of you considering trying out bdsm or writing kinky fanfic.

i guess rather than transformation, i hear the word transition... (btw it's 08:08 as i look at my phone, creepy 8th house).

idk yo, some ghosts might be showing up. bc it is interesting we have the full moon, which is traditionally associated with werewolves or maybe vampires, witching hour, rituals and all that so it's... all around a lot of taboo spiritual occult madness energy around the mind. casting spells... i guess on the flip side, it could be a great time for you to read more about... magic or the supernatural...

some of you might want to look at your 12th house placements. they say that whatever planets you have there are pretty much invisible in terms of their effects on you so you have to meditate and do some work for that stuff to show up. so it may be saying, too, that if there's something you need to or have to uncover in order to "transform" at a very deep level or to move forward, it does seem like you have to let it surface and maybe this is a specific message for SOMEONE(s) but it reads like doing therapy on really painful or traumatic wounds that might stunt you from some type of growth or movement forward. because there's this idea of a "safe" place where things are dark or hidden or comfortable - and then there's a "journey" involved that could take you all the way to hell but on the other side of that, is a whole new door/path that's awaiting you and that's the closest i can come to simplifying the message of this pile. BUT i can't really fluff-ify the fact we have pluto/death and 12th house madness. those are the heaviest things you can find in the houses? so we're going to see literal birth/death cycles, we're going to see transforming some type of psychological issues, we're going to have fatal illnesses perchance, people who have pretty heavy spiritual powers like seeing ghosts or having ESP... or people who are going to recover from near death experiences or deep psychological wounds resurfacing about stuff you've tried to forget but doesn't seemed to have been "processed" fully, things you need to release or work through...

it also is just this whole metaphor for a transitory world that's like some point between life and death but i think that's... so... it can be any midpoint between two worlds/phases like sanity and insanity or dreaming and waking... maybe there's a feeling you have of being stuck between two worlds or being put in the middle or maybe it's someone who's at some halfway point between the beginning or end of a journey. i can't really shake the idea that for a lot of you, death has touched your life or if not death that sort of existence that's between life and death that you'd experience... if you have a serious mental health thing, like... dissociating would be a good example of how you can be living but sort of be in and not there or drugs would do that. it doesn't have to be literal though... maybe some of you are going to rehab or need to or need therapy or are considering it - but it's like a moment of out of body experience in which some big downloads or information or revelations could hit you, typically i'd expect it to be triggered by one of the above mentioned things... i guess you could get there through meditation but this feels... way bigger and darker than that idk. or like at the very least some of you will soon be watching some supernatural or psychological thriller show on netflix and that's the end of the prediction portion haha.

some of you may experience a birth of some kind. i mean sure it could be literal but maybe something will be birthed from this transformation. it could be a creative project like i mentioned where someone's writing a supernatural novel or a story that goes deep into the mind of a killer or a madman or a book on sexual fetishes...

bc there is this bit about being pushed out of our comfort zones too so it's not always necessarily gonna be a voluntary experience here... not as in forced, but like... the universe pulling you out of your comfort zone forcibly in that sense and in the process of TRANSFORMING your soul in the direction i guess it needs to transform, it's pulling you through some dark or heavy or trippy or creepy spiritual experiences that it seems to think is for your own good? but that's not for everyone as mostly i feel more this is like - life or spirituality isn't all rainbows and sunshine. think of what led you to spirituality - was it a positive experience or something that destroyed your soul? and also maybe remember life isn't... pretty and clean it's messy and sad and people can be horrible and death happens everyday for pretty much no reason so for some of you maybe you're being reminded that... it's okay to accept the dark or that dark stuff happens or that some things aren't always what they appear to be... there's delusion and there's ego and things that need to fall away and die and things that will come back in their place and there's nothing you can do to stop these cycles in life. we all die. everyone dies. some things you just have to face and accept and then move on i guess... pisces (12th house) is the hanged man card, which is letting shit happen without trying to control it. it's going with the flow so maybe there have been such significant hardships for you that it's stopped your spiritual growth and filled your head with all kinds of questions like - why did this happen to me/them? what's the point of experiencing bad stuff? why did so and so have to die? why does life seem to go on when it feels like i can't? why do i need to turn to drugs to cope? why do i use sex to cope? how do i bury all the things i don't want to see or deal with? why do i do this?

it could also be telling you that PERHAPS your spending too much time on spirituality and you need to take a bit of a break. scorpio can be that obsession and 12th house is stuff like tarot. so. you might want to skip out on the pick a cards for a while or not use them as a means to find your answers and rather than have other people give you answers through prognosticatioooooon, you should face it yourself and find your own answers. there are a lot of people who think tarot and spiritual practices are... well let's just say that instead of therapy they use tarot... and that's... in my experience... not going to help in the end. i mean it could trigger some type of action but - overall - the real healing or movement forward begins when you... aren't being delusional and face facts and get therapy or treatment.

someone needed to hear that.

that was way more complicated than i thought when i pulled for this pile but wtf else do you do with 8th house and 12th house and full moon showing up and then mercury is so obviously thinking or speaking... plus it's also travel in my mind so it's literal... like traveling through the underworld or the hidden or unconscious and the only ways to do that are dreams, drugs, psychosis, spirituality, madness, or literal near death experiences or the actual death or incarnation experiences or... you know... being in your ghost-soul form i suppose... so yeah. hope that helps... someone...

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Pile 2

So, you would look at this pile and think a lot's going on here. With the fire element card and air (both even having the triangle image), there's a sense of a fresh new start, this could be essentially pulling the ace/2 of wands and ace of swords - plus new moon - it's like this very fresh, new fertile energy coming through and in a lot of the imagery i get the sense of ascension with things rising to a point or boiling over. We also have 7th house and the descendant, which i left reversed because it felt like it wanted to be that way plus it came out like that so i wondered - did you mean ascendant and flipped it but then when you read about the descendant, it sits on the cusp of the 7th house, so - but the ascendant is more about the self while the descendant is about partnerships or relationships (as is the 7th house), so this could be a fresh new relationship or this could be the desire to start some type of relationship but perhaps something about it is being blocked or some type of pressure or tension is rising with another person. With 2nd house, that's (Taurus), so we have physical senses, material items, finances, hierarchial values or institutions, beliefs - which is fun because the pyramid makes me think of our ego/id hierarchial values. When we bring in virgo, there could be a sense of health or more than likely something to do with the mind, analyzing situations, acquiring knowledge about something.

So, it seems to me that.... there's something in need of processing and acquiring more info. Air and fire are very quick moving energies, very bold or creative or intellectual.... Virgo being here means that perhaps... before blowing your top, one should take time to... gather the details of a situation or maybe there will be a conflict (with someone or among a group) where tension arises because one person wants to move fast while the other would rather understand the situation better - also there's clearly the sense that.. this is a new phase of something. It doesn't HAVE to be a relationship other than 7th house and descendant point to that but we also have a reversal - other things about the 7th house could be things having to do with aesthetics, diplomacy, social justice, indecisiveness... it could also have to do with any of your placements.

I also get the sense of something building up - so this could be romantic or sexual feelings or feelings of aggression. I keep getting the image of a tea kettle here, it could be impatience... certainly the will is here, the passion is here, the desire is here... so there is that... the spirit is willing as they say... I also get the sense this is a desire for something physical because we have 2nd house. it can be... the desire for money or things... a place to belong... a desire for something to do with the body or health... but we have to add in there's something here about our relationship.... to relationships and then with the reversal the sense of maybe something blocking certain relationships at this time or adding difficulty or strain... so this could be someone who... to be honest, i would think this person's chart would be fairly well-rounded though it's mostly earth-fire-air but the moon is here so maybe that counts as water or emotions.... new moons come in after we release the old so it's a great time for creative projects... or to start anything new... it could be that this is a time for some of you right before you meet someone or right before some type of relationship takes off... but it could also point to a particularly... difficult person that you might soon come across.... they could be bossy and you could be more... analytical... and then you have to go through this process of gauging how to get along or deal with each other, like say you start a new job and... a really bossy fly by the seat of the pants aries has to work with a very... shrewd, blunt, analytical, slow-moving virgo... maybe this connection has... an odd couple type of vibe...

Or, we could say so we have air here... and virgo, virgo is ruled by mercury... so we're talking about intellect. we're talking about how the brain categorizes or prioritizes the information it perceives through physical senses. we have... desire or passion or creative energy. we have something funky going on with relationships or how we relate to others... and then we have a new phase or cycle. so it certainly - at the very least - is someone probably starting off some sort of new phase in which... they're going to almost be dumped into a whole new setting or situation (where there are people) and they'll be excited and there's going to be an overwhelming amount of info coming in that you'll have to process. what comes to mind as an example is starting at a whole new school, starting at a new job, moving to a whole new city because it's like imagine the overload that occurs when you're in that situation it's like you're totally off balance. you're excited but you're nervous, you have to get your bearings, you meet new people but it's all awkward or maybe you don't know anyone yet and then there's just all this pressure and it's like a zero point. those may not be the specific situations happening for you but that's certainly the energy so of course it could also be any type of new relationship - negative or positive at start - occurring for you and something about this person could be confusing or overwhelming or challenging so there's a period of... do we fight or do i say something, do i stand up for myself or do i observe before i act and in the 2nd house i feel like the person is overwhelmed and then you know in cartoons when people think so hard that steam starts coming out their ears? it's sort of like that. and what i make of the descendant card in reversed is 1. it's trying to keep this imagery of things rising to a point just like that smoke or... steam building up 2. but also exactly what you'd expect in a reversal which is either... a block or the opposite meaning or even that this THING hasn't happened YET and will come but i still feel it's... speaking to your 7th house placements or libra placements or just wants to let you know that this could involve... tension in a relationship. it could also be... legal issues i suppose, but like bad ones... it could be a sense of injustice and that's why this fire and air are coming in but that doesn't...fit with the new moon really other than ... it is emotional...

in terms of advice, because of the virgo card i feel like 1. paying attention to health since that's important to virgo 2. maybe not rushing into something or letting emotions overwhelm because virgo... processes info, collects it, assesses...

what we also have here is in terms of a new job or something if someone collected information and not that 2nd house is career but it's... material comfort which can be home or money or things, resources... if someone had a drive or creative interest that involved collecting info and data about new relationships and then... sold it or... was prioritizing or creating a system of beliefs or values... and associating that with people. lol it actually reads like a person interested in building a dating app that matched people together based on interests or should i say with the reversal it's like... trying to pair people up who... struggle with relationships. i know that's not really relevant but it's funny to put all of the cards together like that.

sometimes i try to connect which message goes with what based on the images but when i look at all six here - they have similar points and then you could divide them up and say well descendant and virgo clearly both have gates so also... there's something about how one assesses or quantifies the relationships in their life that's... not working. someone could be particularly judgmental or very quick to judge about something... it could be that they aren't using all of their senses or are only relying on the physical things when there's more to it. in terms of timing here we have ofc any new moon in virgo or taurus or a fire or air sign... we have taurus season for timing or virgo or even taurus or virgo-libra bc of the 7th house stuff. or maybe you have taurus/libra/virgo in 7th or 2nd house.

let me get the sense of all these cards being one person and then i'll read you. i can relate to some of these placements since i have sixth house mercury in taurus, i'm an air sun sign, i have a lot of shit in my 7th house (north node, sun, mars). i also have a venus in 8th house which is like having a venus in scorpio so essentially - i will always have a bit of trouble in relationships.

so a person with similar issues... perhaps... in every or in new relationships... there's some degree of difficulty or we could even be talking about karmic relationships... you could have air and fire placements, so... you're intelligent, creative, maybe a bit bossy, sometimes impulsive when it comes to... emotions. but when it comes to... mercury-related things such as... how you think or even how you explain things... there could be a lot of analysis, overthinking.... something about this combination could make relationships... shaky. anyway. that's not super helpful bc what this is really about is... new thoughts, new feelings, new ideas... let's say there's some powerful feeling that you're having soon... because of a desire or idea or epiphany... there's something you want but you have to maybe figure out how to make it work or have to figure out what you're feeling... so there's this whole process of gathering more info on how to do it or understanding where this feeling is coming from... it's... for some reason you seem to feel the need to categorize or understand what's going on with this... it could be you need to do this because something about it all is a new experience... more than LIKELY it'll have to do with people or relationships... but it's also like... the self AND relationships... it could be because of some... image or idea you have... there's an issue... i guess it could be something where - why aren't my relationships working out? but it's not THEM, it's actually a situation where you... need to work on a thing. it could be codependency... it could be a lack of self esteem but basically bc of the reversal here it's like a bit of ascendant but also blocked relationships... and logically - let's say you meet someone soon. there's a desire and a will for something... but rather than act it seems like you want to but you just... maybe you have to figure out how the other person feels first so you're collecting data on them... so maybe you're shy or... nervous or afraid... and those are all self issues too that are getting in the way of said relationship...

so basically what we can conclude for pile 2 is that likely... a new relationship... of some sort... is coming and it's REALLY going to mess with your mind or make you all kinds of nervous or anxious or like feel all kinds of things at once and there will be a whole DRAMATIC PROCESS OF EVENTS as you figure out what to do or how to proceed or try to understand or categorize this person or this relationship. for some of you = this could end up being a positive relationship, for some of you it could be an enemy. but like someone is coming and it kinda like... ignites a lot of stuff. basically good or bad, this person is definitely getting a reaction out of you but... i don't think you'll just BLINDLY REACT to provocation or the advice is NOT TO it seems like... you're provoked... or they're a catalyst or a muse... and then you're left scratching your head going ok... ok now what what do we do with this... does not compute... error.

but it seems like all cylinders are firing up here? that's why i guess i lean toward like... karmic relationships coming in or... maybe even a soulmate but like THE soulmate or maybe a soul tribe person and it's like your spidey senses get set off by this person... but it seems like... not only is it a relationship but it... makes you think about yourself or self actualization stuff... so again that sounds like a karmic relationship - which... can be... bad. but can be good. mostly it involves lessons. the descendant reversal scares me bc it's like not only is it a negative relationship but there's a lesson involved >.>

and i'd say oh well... like it's in the past... but it says new moon.

or it could be that you're going to be tested and a past karmic relationship lesson will come up and the universe will throw a similar person your way and you have to be like NO I ALREADY LEARNED THAT LESSON SO FUCK OFF. even though there's like... desire or something or an attraction... i guess i want to say not for ALL but for some that it's OKAY to be cautious about a new person coming in and make sure to collect info and trust your senses and avoid red flags. that's the cynic in me talking it could be a good person and they just shake things up... and then for some it's just... maybe collaborating with someone on a new project... but.. i still want to say make sure they're trustworthy and reliable... maybe i should pull a tarot card for this descendant card, hmm... ok hold on.

ok so i got page of wands and 10 of wands at the back so again we know there's a new... venture of some sort, it's fire-related so creativity, adventure, confidence... but there's some type of burden going on or something about burden/responsibility nearing an end.

i guess some of you could've just broken off a relationship or quit a job or ended something that was... tough i guess... or a lot of work or stress or responsibility... and there is something new coming in, like... a breath of fresh air for your soul... or this could be the person coming in who's a pain in your ass and they're... a page of wands type of person - younger, fire sign, kinda like... a theater or fashion design student lol. but this could just be... a new situation that's stressful or having to get this new point required responsibility... i'll just clarify again. okay well knight of cups and... 3 of swords... at the back... so... it is looking like... someone coming in who's a pain in the ass or having just let go of someone who was a pain in the ass >.> i feel very okay with telling you that there's something in here about a strained relationship. didn't that come up in the general message for pile 2 as well? so... something going on with... relationships... maybe some tempers flaring... or trying to get back with a toxic ex and needing to like get it through your brain that it's not going to happen... but personally i see the other cards as a "there's a light at the end of the tunnel" regarding this situation - whether it ended and you're starting fresh but processing the old relationship or... someone comes in that's new but a pain in the ass and maybe you just need time to evaluate whether it's worth it to befriend them or maybe it's strained at first bc you seem so different... but that's being hopeful i don't see anything here that says "happy ending with a difficult person" but i do see light at the end of the tunnel here or like... if you feel caught in a maze or something, there's an opening there if you... go for it or work it out like a puzzle... or maybe this person is a puzzle or a headache for you... just trust what you feel and if they're awful, stay away. it does also have the sense of a lot of... excitable energy being trapped here and needing an escape route... but like i said this could be someone going through a breakup and like... way overthinking it and not knowing what to do and going through the cycle of should we have broken up or why did this happen and it's like... no. in that case, the cards say "go to the exit", run for the door, get out of your own brain...

the last thing i'll point out as a message is... you might be in some new phase in life for sure okay but the new moon is also like this moment where everything is dark.... kind of like a seed in the ground with potential to grow and with descendant reversed and 7th house hanging around and this hermit virgo energy and a lot of feelings being bottled up - it ... might also help to... be single for a while or to schedule some alone time or... take a break from social media... someone seems overstimulated here and pent up and so... maybe you need to disengage from folks for a while, go into a cave and just... chill... let stuff... ruminate... or maybe something needs that bit of time to be alone before... it has to like... incarnate.... i suppose with that in mind, some people could soon find out they're pregnant but it could be figurative... like something's about to give birth but that's... doesn't really account for 2nd house and virgo other than both involve health and then finances and babies are expensive but no that doesn't really fit. so nevermind. it is a fertile time for something but not necessarily a literal baby. and like i said it could be a new phase of life for you that's overwhelming and requires relationship adjustments so... i think i've covered all possible bases for this spread... there are probably even more... if we look at the numbers that came up we have 2, virgo is 6, we have a 10/1 - ironically that could be about harmony that has to do with the self, relationships, and... cycles... so something you are meant to learn about yourself that also involves how you are in relationships and the tendency of... these issues of not having or having harmony in relationships has tended to... repeat. so yeah it would... make me think of someone with venus in 8th house or venus in scorpio or other astro placements in your chart that make relationships or relationship-centric houses wonky... or even having a strong desire to belong to a group or a single person (or multiple persons if you're involved in poly relationships) - but even with this longing and desire for that... it's like... the relationships turn out dysfunctional... and i'd guess it has to do with cycles that you haven't stopped from repeating. because idk i guess you haven't fully processed it and... maybe you'll have a chance soon to break that pattern. for now i just can only say to have caution around any new or starting any new relationships AT THIS TIME. until you've thought it through and assessed and made sure there aren't any FAMILIAR RED FLAGS. yeah.

Pile 3

So, in earth element we have the typical aspects you'd expect from earth signs - no rush, being practical, hard-working, having a plan, being grounded, living in the material - the most negative aspect for this card is about being stubborn or inflexible, which is interesting because we have mutable, which basically means those signs (gemini, virgo, pisces, sag) have a measure of adaptability to them. If the back of the deck is relevant, Mars (Aries, rather) and Cancer are both cardinal signs. In trine, this is a positive aspect between two planets, so we're talking about... positive or harmonious relationships. Pisces is a mutable sign, it's the 12th house, a bit dreamy - I'm reminded of the Moonology card with all of these that's like balance the spirituality and practicality or whatever. So, this may be a message about balancing the material world with that of the spiritual and having those aspects work in harmony. This could also be about a relationship for some of you among friends or a romantic partner, in which maybe your opposite aspects end up being complementary.

When you add in the Mars factor, this is the energy of getting things done or perhaps we're talking about someone's Mars placement - Mars in Pisces or some other mutable sign or Mars in an earth sign, Mars in Cancer - doesn't matter. And Cancer is about emotional/intellectual expression, homelife, nurturing, the moon, etc... so the back of the deck seems to want to go into... either two sort of opposite forces of getting something done or masculine, aggressive energy versus a feminine nurturing energy... this can be about a divine masc/divine fem partnership, it can be about a relationship or project in which maybe there's a strong urger to... nest? Settle down? Start a family? We'll put the back of the deck to the side though because it's weird

With stability here and trine, I certainly get the sense that we are talking about a situation that is harmonious and stable or at least that's the desire. Since trine is seemingly about the relationship of two objects, it does make you think... a stable relationship between someone else, or even 3 since trine makes you think three, right, so sure maybe this is even, for some, about a stable poly relationship.

But then we have this notion of... being flexible or adaptable about something, we also have a sort of dreamy or creative or emotionally sensitive, intuitive, psychic... it could be relationship advice in that (and maybe you were drawn to pile 2 and if so, this could be advice for that situation), but... probably the most stable or sturdy relationship that is also harmonious is, ironically, because the people involved maintain some sense of balance by remaining... flexible and adaptable to one another. So if being stubborn is the warning in the stability card, then we know we DON'T want that, and what is being asked is - imo - to not allow things to be rigid - but at the same time, I do think that if two people were to just fly by the seat of their pants with their head in the clouds, then - that also wouldn't be realistic. Therefore, we have a couple of messages that may have something to do with maintaining harmonious relationships:

maintaining the practical as well as the emotional/spiritual in some type of balance

not being too stubborn; remaining flexible and adaptable instead of closing off or creating harsh boundaries

Trine is a "harmonious angle of support" (between two planets). So, there's some type of harmonious point for someone reading this that sits in between the stability of the earth element and the openness and emotional flexibility/range of Pisces or at least the vibe of mutable signs. That doesn't feel very specific, so let's kind of look into this intuitively - maybe we have to delve deeper into the bod. What would Mars have to do with this type of message? Well, Mars certainly has that pushy, assertive, warriormale energy which could possibly disrupt the balance of this "trine" but I felt compelled to show the Cancer card, too... and cancer is that emotional, feminine, nurturing energy so you'd think we're just going back to the idea of balance... or it could be... being assertive about emotions or harnessing some type of creative/spiritual type of energy within and then turning that intangible thing into something material like... writing a story, turning an idea into a business plan and then opening a business... it's got that Magician energy here, here we're taking something from the ether and bringing it into reality - but I still feel like there's this Cancer energy in the mix... it could just be about being devoted or there being an emotional component to getting this thing (project or relationship) to work. I almost feel like there's a bit of a fine balance here... what I also see is in the three oracles we have a path - there's the line between the two points, we have a rainbow bridge, and we have a staircase... so it's almost like there's a point A and a point B and we have the "stability" so... even though there may be some type of spiritual or creative endeavor or idea that started in the ether, we know that there should or needs to be a solid pathway that will lead from point A to B - like I said this would fit with people who are trying to create something but need to bring it into existence. Like, we have a story in our mind as a writer, we have to take the story and put it on paper and maybe even the extra step of everything involved in publishing it as a book.

I also feel like this spread is saying... there may be multiple ways of how to reach your endgame - you can take the rainbow road or the yin-yang staircase or this straight line between the planets or this triangular path in the element card - but the point is that you reach the end... this could also be some heavy spiritual metaphorical message you need to here, too, about... everyone's life path is different and unique depending on who you are or where you're headed. Maybe someone loves rainbow road, but like for other's that's too much so they'll just take the escalator or a very simple path - but I think, too, the cards are saying to - also - stay flexible... it makes me think of the Hanged Man, where when you start trying to control aspects of your life journey, you meet the most resistance, so the best way to achieve (inner harmony) is to go more with the flow - trine is also about having good flow. So some of you may be feeling frustrated or putting up some resistance with what life's thrown your way at times... I also feel like there's an additional overarching message regarding acceptance of people being different than you because, in the end, we're actually the same or have the same goal or purpose or we all die, so we all end up in the same place, anyway.

We have two images of doorways - though one's a bit more open at the end, and the other looks like a BTS emblem in the Pisces card... Pisces also seems like underwater dreamscape, Mutable is a mix, but the focus is this gate that's in the sky but it has all the elements of the four mutable signs. Maybe this is even for a pair where one person is a Pisces, Virgo, Gemini, or Sag with double emphasis on Pisces and Virgo because we have the earth card. I don't know why I keep thinking of Namjoon and Yoongi though you could throw JK in there too since he's a Virgo - although Jin is a Sag so maybe there's going to be a JK - RM - Suga - Jin unit haha. But trine makes me think... three... or two... I diegress... I kinda want to pull tarot here because I feel like there should be more and the earth element triangle makes me wonder if it does want me to pick up on something to do with "3".

In Trine, I don't think it is but the ring around this planet makes me think of Saturn... Saturn is about career, discipline, restrictions... Pisces is probably the least restrictive sign... and mutable is flexible, so we really have a juxtaposition here of being open and adaptable but being confined and yet somehow there should be harmony between these points... let me flip a tarot card for each oracle.

Okay, so for Trine we have Ace of Wands (btw earth element corresponds to ace of pentacles); Pisces is clarified by Strength; Mutable is clarified with 9 of swords; 10 of wands, 8 of swords, High Priestess at the back (interesting since that makes me think of Moon/Cancer, pushing through difficult times/thoughts/emotions. And also earth element is clarified by 9 of wands. Lots of fire energy here.

This is how I'll read it: So, with ace of wands respectively, ace of pentacles/9 of wands - there is something new pushing through; there's... desire or creative energy like I mentioned with a project or even a relationship. There's excitement or desire FOR harmony maybe or for an agreeable relationship or even a desire for a smooth, untroubled path... it could be, too, that there's been some difficulty or issues in ACHIEVING stability in the past (which again this is starting to have Pile 2 vibes), but since that's a 9 of wands and the card stood for ace of pentacles, it's like a difficult cycle of constantly having to push through or feel guarded or being defensive - it could be time for that to let go or be cleared out as a new cycle starts and something comes in that IS more stable. This can be SO many things - so I'll keep it general and say a difficult cycle is ending or something hard coming to an end, some phase that might not have been stable or was TOO rigid and constricting - it makes me think of turbulence or something. There is the part of a flight that's turbulent and then you hit this new patch of air or climate whatever and it's suddenly all smooth. In Strength clarifying this Pisces card - it's funny because we're pairing water and fire energy again, but Strength is about willpower, determination - it matches well with a 9 of wands card, too, because we're overcoming our flaws or fears on our own. Because it sits on Pisces, it feels like two situations: someone overcoming a difficult time through the determination of spirit/intuition (the typical healing past wounds through a spiritual path), but also if we're talking about a creative venture, then the determination to see a difficult project through. In the strength card as well i'm using the waite smith deck so it's a lady taking care of nurturing this beast/lion... so there is a sense of taking care of someone or nuturing them through something or someone nurturing another person. In mutable, we have 9 of swords, so it could be that we're picking up Gemini energy since that's the only mutable air sign... so so far we have Pisces, Leo, Gemini energy so maybe we really are talking about some type of third-party situation for a couple of you. But in mutable, too, if we're clarifying that with 9 of swords energy we're talking about anxiety - either maybe there's anxiety around having to be flexible or something being TOO out of your control, but essentially we are talking about... control issues either way, and I already mentioned Pisces is that Hanged Man let go of control energy and for some letting go of control is something that takes flexibility and willpower... back of deck for clarifying deck is 10 of wands and six of swords so it's pushing through some type of burden or stress related to the past. It indicates a cycle ending again because we have a 10 and also the 6 of swords is about moving toward smoother waters - kind of like I said going from turbulence to suddenly smooth air, the flow being uninterrupted - so we did all that work to basically come to the conclusion that for this pile - you hit a rough patch for 1-20 years but now you're entering into some new cycle in which you're going to feel... maybe more energy to create something new or different... I still feel like some of that heavy energy is clinging to you because we have lots of 9's and 10s and an 8... and only these couple of aces... so what I can conclude for you regardless of any situations you might be going through or releasing:

you might have control issues and need to learn to go more with the flow or in some cases maybe you're too chill and lack some type of stability but the cards point more to the former

Things ARE going to get simpler for you. If trine is the new energy coming in thanks to this ace of wands explanation - the path in the trine card (that line between the planets) is short and simple - whereas in the mutable card, there were two choices of stairways to get you to that door, there's like four distractions, you had to basically deliver the ring to mount doom while the universe was ending... just the artwork alone there's lots going on so no wonder this 9 of swords thing is here.

The pisces card does feel kind of serene and dreamy.... it's got that underwater feel, strength is a very powerful, positive card. For some this could specifically indicate some of you... receiving recognition or even becoming famous around Pisces-related talents like creative work, music, psychic gifts... there's also strength here when you keep an open mind or keep yourself open to the unseen or spiritual nature of being human... you might just also be a really determined and brave and courageous Pisces but I'm reading this more as if any Pisces placement or quality about you or your life or a situation is a strength or a superpower.

The only detriment among the three oracles seems to be this mutable card but I did go through why that could be or even that it's merely going "i mean the mutable air sign" but i feel that's more anxiety around being flexible or nonflexible especially with that earth element card there.

The 9 of wands clarifying this earth element card. This could be that someone's grown a bit wary over time from all of this struggle, so they might have built up some kind of walls or protective coping mechanisms that are the cause of a lot of anxiety when forced to change or be flexible about something. It could even be like maybe someone is ultra sensitive and like when they get criticized even a little bit, they get pretty defensive or protective about their (work). Leo's can also be about that pride or sensitive nature so it does give like a sensitive arteeeest type of vibe...

To get very specific again it does feel like a struggling artist who might have experienced blockages or has been struggling for a while to get something out there, they seem to like doubt their talents even though they are aware that their creativity or spiritual gifts are their strength, like and as I said, Leo is about fame or stardom, too - so there IS potential if you have these abilities TO achieve some type of fame or you simply have a creative gift that you desire to share with others but it's also like maybe you're anxious about it. You might even lack a plan for how to put this creative dream into (material/tangible action) and you've also been working on or toward this for AGES and maybe you're even considering moving on to something else or... what I would say is still the same - this trine and ace of wands insinuates... there may be a new opportunity for you. It may still require effort on your part. You can't just stand there staring at a wall, but there may be someone who comes in and gives you an offer, inspires you, or offers some type of help like a job offer or an offer to collab or gives you money or a compliment that spurs you to keep going. I just see here that the advice besides "stay flexible" is to continue on the path, that there are no specific wrong or right choices on how to get there, that there could even be different routes that get you there, or maybe there are even different doors as in like maybe you want to write for a magazine but end up... writing for some popular blog so maybe there's an adjacent opportunity. Or rather than getting into some dream job through this method, you end up getting there through some other roundabout way that omes at a different time.... but at the heart of this pile are people who seem to be trying to accomplish SOMETHING, ON SOME JOURNEY, having some difficulty, struggling, being overwhelmed or worried, having to push through on sheer willpower despite the sress, getting frustrated, and then... at some point in that journey it's like BAM the door that you thought was closed or was never there and suddenly appears comes and it's like why wasn't it always this easy for me before? I don't know, who knows.

It doesn't have to be a job or project. If you're like pile 2 and maybe always have struggles with relationships... there could suddenly be this day where unexpectedly you smack right into person and whoops, we have a favorable angle between two people - and then you look back and you realize all those winding crazy steps that led up to this moment happened so that you could have this experience at exactly this time at exactly the point you've achieved whatever level of BS the universe sent you through so that you could appreciate how good it is now, etc, so forth. In conclusion - you struggled, you are struggling... but there is hope for an easier time/life/situation in the future. Let me see if I can ask BUT WHEN? sOON? TOMORROW? June 4?? May 10? Next scorpio season??

I got the Magician - 4 of cups at the back, so Mercury moves pretty fast, so maybe soon. Magician is Gemini and Virgo (we have our mutable signs again and remember we had 9 of swords) so could be Gemini season... but we'll say Gemini to Virgo season, 4 of cups... cups are like... months... so 4 months from now which at the time of this reading would be... up to Virgo season, lol.

There you go - for those reading this at a later point - 4 months from now. Those of you reading at the end of April 2022 - expect life to be easier by the end of Virgo season so... late September-ish. Or even if not easier, expect this ace of p or ace of wands to at least drop on you by then. Gemini season starts within 2.5 weeks, so that's good... and it's interesting I spent all that time talking about how the Magician energy was here because we're taking something from the ether (like pisces vibes) and bringing it into reality and the Magician fell out so besides timing, I think this is for people who've been trying to bring some type of thing that's lived in their mind or heart or a creative or spiritual gift and then tried to pull it in or manifest something into the REAL WORLD and has been TRYING to do so for a long time, felt like it wasn't happening - and I do feel that it will come unexpectedly. Like you think about it all day every day for the last 300 years but there will be this 10 second window when you're distracted by some clown trying to mime a hoola hoop gesture and this person or thing smacks right into you and you're like hoo boi. But at the same time it's not random bc like you were born and then the breeze blew and you went to jail and then fall off a horse and all that led you to be on the street this day and for the clown to show up at that time to distract you and then this soulmate or job opportunity had to also arrive at that exact day/time on that street, and you go wow that's... weird. I guess what you're manifesting doesn't matter, this is... more about the journey and then also the endgame of (receiving it) and then... maybe what it will prove or mean to you (spiritually) when it arrives after thinking it never would, kind of like spirit going HAHA fooled you right in your face and it's kind of irritating but now you have this great new thing so you can't be TOO mad? and now you've learned the value of patience i guess. you know what's funny is behind that 4 of cups there's page of cups and then hanged man haha... so yeah it may be love for some of you... or just some project that you were emotionally-creatively attached to or even an offer or message of some sort that you've been waiting on for a very long time... so look forward to it, P3!

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