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subjectsix · 1 year
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oh, apropos of nothing, I've been thinking about sign language in the fallout series, or at least how it affects my characters
one of my characters, Clay, has Unnamed "Brain's Weird After Getting Shot In The Head" disease, and while he was already a pretty quiet guy to begin with, now sometimes getting the right words to come out of his mouth in a timely matter just doesn't work. Living in New Vegas and knowing who he knows, he ends up having this weird sign vocabulary cobbled together out of a few languages and signals. Arcade, being Arcade, knows a bit of French and a bit of American sign, and teaches Clay what he knows. Clay picks up a bunch of different factions' signs for things, whether for militaristic use or just something they've developed. There's a fair amount of Spanish sign that he picks up, or at least what all of these languages have become over the years, and it all gets combined into his own weird personal vocabulary shared between himself and his traveling companions
on the other end of the coast is Elora, my fallout 4 oc who has undergone an immense amount of rewriting and changes over the years. due to her lifestyle and penchant for rifles and snipers, her hearing's going pretty fast, something infuriating her as a HAM radio enthusiast. she's much less quick to adopt any form of sign language or signals because she's stubborn and upset, but hers ends up a mishmash of things she remembers from pre-war, albeit it very vaguely, things Nick teaches her, and signs the Railroad uses. It's much more basic and something she likes using less, whereas Clay has something of his own personal pidgin (? if im using that correctly) of sorts.
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whumpinggrounds · 1 year
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Writing Deaf Characters
I am making this a series now so pls drop requests if there is something you’re curious about!
Disclaimer: This is all based on personal experience and research, all of which relate to the American Deaf experience. It’s not perfect, nor is it representative of a global experience of d/Deafness. If you plan to write a d/Deaf or hard of hearing character, please do your own research! This is intended to give people a few ideas about where to start.
Vocab
Deaf = Refers to the cultural experience of being deaf and immersed in Deaf communities.
deaf = Inability to hear some or all sound.
Profoundly deaf = Inability to hear almost all or all sound.
d/Deafblind = Inability to hear some or all sound and as well as having some level (usually high) of visual impairment. 
Hard of hearing or HOH = A person whose inability to hear may not rise to the level of deafness or profound deafness, or simply may not identify with the term.
Deaf of deaf = A Deaf child born to Deaf parents.
CODA = Child Of Deaf Adults. This refers to hearing children, not d/Deaf children.
Manualism = Refers to the belief that d/Deaf children should be taught only sign language and should not be taught or expected to learn to speak.
Oralism = Refers to the belief that d/Deaf children should be taught only to speak and should be discouraged from learning or using sign language.
Bilingual-bicultural or bi-bi education = A school of thought that combines oral and manual education for d/Deaf children.
Mainstreaming = The belief that d/Deaf children should be educated in the same schools and classrooms as hearing students. (More widely refers to the belief that disabled students in general should be educated in the same schools and classrooms as nondisabled students.)
Deaf gain = The Deaf community’s answer to the term “hearing loss.” Rather than losing hearing, a person is said to be gaining Deafness.
Cochlear implant/CI = A medical device implanted into the inner ear which (debatably) produces sensation that is (somewhat) analogous to hearing.
American Sign Language or ASL = An American system of communication consisting of hand shapes, hand movements, body language, facial expressions, and occasionally, vocalizations.
Signed Exact English or SEE = A manner of communicating that directly translates English words into signed equivalents.
Home sign(s) = Signed communication that is specific to the signer’s home or community, which may not exist or be recognized in the wider world.
Identity First Language or IFL = A system in which someone is described first by an identifier that they choose and feel strongly connected to. Examples include describing someone as an Autistic woman, a disabled individual, or a Deaf man.
Key Elements of Deaf History
Can’t emphasize this enough - this is a VERY abbreviated list! It is also not in order. Sorry. That being said:
For a long time in America, Deaf children were not educated, nor was it considered possible to educate them. When this did change, American deaf children were educated in institutions, where they lived full-time. These children were often taken from their families young, and some never regained contact with their families. Some died and were buried at these institutions, all without their families’ knowledge.
In the early 20th century, oralism became popular among American deaf schools. This mode of teaching required lip reading and speech, no matter how difficult this was for students, and punished those who used or attempted to use sign language. Pure oralism is now widely considered inappropriate, outdated, and offensive.
Hopefully you’ve gleaned this from the above points, but d/Deaf schooling, education, and the hearing world’s involvement are a very sensitive subject. Proceed with caution. It’s unlikely your d/Deaf character would have a neutral relationship with schooling.
Helen Keller is probably the most famous deafblind person in America. In her time, she was also known for being a socio-political activist, a socialist, and a vaudeville actress. There are dozens of other famous d/Deaf people who are a quick Google search away. Give your Deaf character Deaf heroes, please.
The Americans with Disabilities Act, or ADA, was passed in 1991, and represented a landmark victory for disabled activists in America. Among its provisions were closed captioning for Deaf individuals, ASL interpreters for public services, and the right for d/Deaf children to attend accessible, accommodating public schools. The ADA is a HUGE deal. It’s also not perfect.
In 1961, cochlear implants were invented. I was going to write more about cochlear implants here, but it’s too long. New section.
Cochlear Implants
Massively massively massively controversial in the Deaf community. Always have been, potentially always will be. For people who strongly identify with Deafness and the Deaf community, CIs are an attack on their identity, their personhood, and their community’s right to exist. 
Do not allow people to “hear.” The input that a person receives from CI can, with physical therapy, training, and time, be understood and processed in a similar way to sound. This does not mean it would be recognizable to a hearing person as sound. It is often described by people who have them as being metallic, buzzy, or robotic. YouTube is a great resource for sound references.
In order for a cochlear implant to be effective, a personal will have to participate in years of training and therapy to correct process, understand, and interpret the feedback given by the CI. This is not negotiable. Even if your character just lost their hearing in an accident last week, a CI will not allow them to instantaneously regain that hearing. Nothing that currently exists in the real world will do that.
CIs, to be most effective, are almost always implanted when the recipient is very young. This decision is often made by hearing parents. This, again, is massively controversial, as Deaf activists argue that it violates the child’s bodily autonomy and is inherently anti-Deaf.
A cochlear implant, once placed, irreparably destroys any residual hearing that the recipient may have had. This is because it penetrates the inner ear in order to function. This residual hearing cannot be regained, even if the cochlear implant is not used.
Deaf people do choose to get cochlear implants of their own accord. Many d/Deaf people are very happy with their cochlear implants! It is still a highly charged choice in light of the political history surrounding d/Deafness and hearing.
Notes About American Sign Language
ASL is not a signed version of English. It is a distinct language, with its own vocabulary, slang, and grammar. Just a sentence would not be constructed the same way in Russian, Spanish, or Tagalog, a sentence in ASL would not be a direct translation of its English equivalent.
Deaf people have historically lower rates of literacy. This is not due to a lack of intelligence; it is because ASL and English are two different languages. ASL has no written equivalent. In order to be able to read or write, d/Deaf children must learn an entirely different language. This means that it is not realistic to always be able to communicate with d/Deaf people through writing.
As ASL is a visual language, many signs started out as very literal gestures. This means that many older signs are continuously being phased out as they or their roots are recognized as stereotypical or offensive. Please be careful in researching signs. I recommend Handspeak or Signing Savvy for accurate, relatively up-to-date information.
Many online “teachers” do not have credentials to teach ASL, and especially due to the prevalence of “baby sign,” home signs, invented signs, or false information spreads unchecked. If you see multiple different signs advertised for the same English word, please be diligent in checking your sources.
Not every English word has a distinct signed equivalent, and not every sign has an English equivalent.
SEE is almost never used by Deaf people. It’s rarely used and is generally thought of as a “lesser” version of both English and ASL.
ASL is a complete, complex, nuanced language. A character would not switch into SEE for a technical conversation or really any reason. Complex ideas, technical terms, and even poetry can all be expressed in American Sign Language.
Just like in English, there are some signs that are only considered appropriate for certain people to use. For example, the sign for “Black” when referring to a Black person has a modified version that is only used by Black signers. This does not mean it is a slur or the equivalent of a slur. It is a sign reserved for Black signers referring to other Black people.
Things to Consider/Avoid/Be Aware Of
I hesitate to tell anyone to avoid anything, because I don’t think I have that authority. That being said:
The Deaf community has a complicated history and relationship with cochlear implants and the concept of being “cured.” What message are you sending when you write a story in which a d/Deaf character is “cured” of their d/Deafness?
Generally speaking, d/Deaf people do not identify with the “disabled” label. Each person has their own preferences, and those preferences should always be respected. Your character(s) may choose differently than their real life community, but you should put thought into why that is.
Generally speaking, d/Deaf people use IFL. This means that a majority of d/Deaf people in America would describe themselves as d/Deaf people, rather than people with deafness, people with hearing loss, people that are hard of hearing, etc.
Okay I lied I’m going to tell you what to do here: Do not use words like mute, deaf-mute, or dumb when describing d/Deaf people. Hearing impaired is also not ideal but is considered outdated, rather than outright offensive.
The best lip readers are judged to be able to catch 30% of the words people say. How realistic is it to have a character that relies 100% on lipreading? What do you gain when you write a character that lipreads, and what do you lose?
Yes, Deaf people can drive. I don’t know why so many people wonder about this. It’s okay if you didn’t know, but please don’t come into my ask box about it.
Assistive Devices/Aids
Cochlear implants ^ see above
Interpreters. Will have gone to school for years, might have specific training for certain environments or technical terms, etc. For instance, an interpreter that works with Deaf people that have mental illnesses would be fully fluent in ASL as well as having requisite mental health training in order to interpret for them. Interpreters could be a whole other post actually, but I won’t tackle that now.
Closed captions. Self-explanatory.
Alarm clocks, fire alarms, and doorbells that use light instead of sound. This is sometimes a typical flashing light, but particularly fire alarms in predominantly d/Deaf spaces can be overwhelmingly bright. Bright like you’ve never seen before. Bright enough to wake someone from a dead sleep.
Some assistive devices also use sensation - alarms that actually shake bedframes exist and are the best choice for some people!
Service dogs - can alert people to sounds like the above - fire alarms, doorbells, knocking, etc.
Hearing aids. Generally not controversial in the way that CIs are. Only effective if people have residual hearing. Do not really expand the range of sounds people can hear, just amplify sounds in that range. Very, very expensive.
Microphones. If a d/Deaf or HOH person is in a crowd/lecture setting, the speaker will want to use a microphone. If this is a frequent occurrence, the microphone may be linked to a small personal speaker or earbud used by the d/Deaf or HOH person.
TTY: Much less frequent now that everyone can text and email, but stands for Text Telephone Device and was/is a way to send written communication over a telephone line. The message is sent, the phone rings, and a robot voice reads the message. Obviously, this is not effective for d/Deaf people communicating with other d/Deaf people, but it was often used to communicate with hearing people/hearing establishments, as when setting up appointments.
Media About/Including Deafness
No media is perfect and unproblematic, but here are somethings I have seen that I can verify do at least a pretty good job -
CODA is a movie that features Deaf actors, ASL, and a story about growing up, family, and independence vs. interdependence. 
The Sound of Metal is a movie that features ASL and a story about identity, recovery, and hearing loss/Deaf gain.
A Quiet Place is a movie features ASL and Deaf actors, although Deafness itself is not necessarily integral to the story.
BUG: Deaf Identity and Internal Revolution by Christopher Heuer is a collection of essays by a Deaf man that discuss a wide range of topics. This book is not always up to modern standards of political correctness.
Train Go Sorry by Leah Hager Cohen is a memoir by the granddaughter of a Deaf man, which discusses the intersections of the hearing and Deaf worlds.
Far From the Tree by Andrew Solomon is a research book about the effect of horizontal identity on parent/child relationships and features a chapter on d/Deafness. This is a good look at how d/Deafness can impact familial relationships. Some aspects of the book are outdated, and it was written by a hearing author, albeit one who extensively interviewed Deaf and hearing parents of Deaf children.
If you made it this far, congratulations! Thank you so much for taking the time to read through my lil/not so lil primer :) If you have any questions, comments, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to hit me up! If you have any requests for a diagnosis or a disability you’d like me to write about next, I’d love to hear it. Happy writing!
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carminecarnivale · 5 months
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Literally no one is talking about this (that I’ve seen anyway) and the episode is old now but I can’t stop thinking about it so I’m making a post anyway.
This is about the scene in Helluva Boss season 2 episode 7 “Mammon’s Magnificent Musical Mid-Season Special” where a young imp and Fizzarolli sign to each other.
TLDR: The signing is wonky and the scene feels unearned.
DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT DEAF AND NOT AN ASL EXPERT. THIS IS JUST MY INTERPRETATION OF THIS SCENE. I DO NOT SPEAK FOR DEAF OR HOH PEOPLES’ OPINIONS.
Right. So, surface level, what do the writers *want* to have the signing mean? What is their desired English sentiment?
Kid: Fizzarolli! I’m a big fan!
Fizz: Come on over here
Kid: I want to be a clown just like you!
Fizz: You can do anything you want to do.
Cool, great. Now, what did they actually sign? DISCLAIMER 2: THERE IS NO WRITTEN FORM OF ASL, ASL CAN BE SORT OF TRANSCRIBED IN ENGLISH BUT IT IS NOT WRITTEN ASL.
Kid: F-CLOWN (name sign, “Fizzarolli”) I BIG FAN.
Fizz: [Gesture to come over]
Kid: CLOWN SAME-AS-YOU.
Fizz: IF/SUPPOSE WANT, CAN-aff WORK.
On the most basic level, this is fine. It more-or-less represents what the writers wanted to be said. But it’s just…not great. It’s so simple compared to what the writers wanted to say. It makes the translation put up on screen look wrong.
The kid makes no indication that they “want” to be a clown, they could very well have been meaning that they currently ARE a clown, maybe even in training. There was no indication of “becoming” or a future signifier. There was a general lack of pronouns making it sound vague. The final sentiment from Fizz is much more grounded than what the writers wanted him to say. “You can do anything!” vs “you could work as a clown if you wanted to.” The difference speaks for itself.
There ARE signs for the sentiment they want to convey!!! They exist!!! LOOK: https://youtu.be/JbfWzc0-R6E?si=FxvbC9l-hvArLPg0
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“But wait!” I hear you say. “What if they got the signs first and mistranslated it?”
Since this is an English show for English speakers that must be written in English, no. They wrote the translation first and put mediocre signing in the episode.
Could the sentiment have been gutted for time/animation constraints? Quite possibly! But we’ve seen the kinds of shots the Helluva team can pull off (Striker’s 3/4 turn with the pistol, DHORKs full camera action spin, to name a few) so I don’t doubt they COULD have animated the signing appropriately if they wanted to.
Now, they did have an ASL consultant for this episode (the bare minimum we love to see it, AND on the very last page of credits? wow), his name is Salvador Baltazar. There’s not much out there on him, but he’s primarily an interpreter. There is no way to know what he helped with or how much he dictated the scene and I don’t plan on wildly speculating. It’s great that he’s there, why did he let this signing air the way it did though.
Finally, what’s the purpose of this scene? Why is it here? Why these characters in this situation?
More competent analysts than I have picked apart the woobification of Helluva characters and how, once they’re not a villain anymore, their characterization and morals get completely overhauled to appeal to the “oh he’s so traumatized!” crowd.
I think this scene is a part of that. And it got its desired reaction.
Seeing celebrities interact well with children is already something that would net a character some popularity brownie points. If that child is clearly an “other” and the celebrity does something special to recognize that child? Brownie fucking bakeries.
The purpose of this scene is to show that not all of Fizz’s fans suck, yes, but also to show how kind and nice and thoughtful Fizz is just to hammer home how TragicTM his situation is.
And the fans went wild!!!! Here is a character putting in effort to learn ASL and speak with child fans! Wow he’s so great! He’s so amazing! What Herculean tasks he’s taken upon himself to be so cool! Wow! (Not everyone says it like that, but that was the general vibe of the Helluva tag following the episode’s release).
It got fans speculating; “I wonder if this ties into his Tragic BackstoryTM!” We’ll probably never know because Fizz’s fluency in ASL, his role in the Deaf community, is not something the writers care about exploring. They didn’t include a scene with ASL because they wanted to have a deaf character, they included it to make Fizz look good.
Something a lot of people have brought up about this kid—and rightfully so—is their age. What’s this 9 year old doing at the blow-out clown sex appeal concert? How did they get into the VIP section? Couldn’t you contrast the possessive critic guy with another adult who isn’t gross? Wouldn’t it make more sense if this character was an ADULT at the ADULT SHOW?
Yes! Yes it would! But would an adult signer garner half as many pity points as a young child with stars in their eyes? No. I doubt it would.
This scene is not here to show respect for deaf people. Just like the show doesn’t respect deaf people. I ask you to check out the captions for season 2 episode 6. Go on.
Because you know what you’ll find?
A bunch of loud, keysmashing inanity, that ignores describing what’s being said in favour of making queef jokes. These are not functional captions. For a show that prides itself on being just as professional as what you can find aired on TV or streaming, this is laughably bad. This is YouTube 2013 gaming jump scare compilations bad. And those captions are Still There DESPITE people pointing out that they’re not functional.
From a studio that’s fine with sabotaging their own captions I really shouldn’t be surprised with their treatment of ASL as sloppy, basic, and only really there for pandering.
Jesus Christ, do better.
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corpsecomplex · 4 months
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I'm curious
reblog for sample size, elaborate in tags yadda yadda
also disclaimer that I myself am not deaf or HoH, I just personally find jokes hidden in subtitles obnoxious and wanted to know if other people share my feelings, especially if you rely on subtitles to understand a video.
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wheelie-sick · 2 months
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Hi! I have a genuine question about Deaf people and sign names.
I tried to do some research on it but lots of the answers/resources I'm finding seem to be opinion-based or not exactly relevant to my situation.
I teach moderately-to-severely disabled students in a self-contained classroom at the elementary level. Most of my students have cognitive disabilities (among other diagnoses) and are nonverbal. Some of them are using or learning to use ASL. None of them are deaf/hard-of-hearing.
Would it be appropriate for them to use or create "sign names" for their classmates, themselves, or other staff members? Many are unable to finger spell and tend to indicate people via pointing. One of my students has created a sign language gesture reminiscent of a sign name when referring to a staff member and I wasn't sure if that was something I should accept/encourage or try to find alternatives for.
The two points of view I have come across are that sign names are exclusive to Deaf/HoH people at that sign names are exclusive to those who use ASL as their primary language. I was curious to know if you had any thoughts on the subject.
If you have any thoughts, I'd love to hear them. If not, that's okay, too. I saw your post about your hearing "friend" making up sign names (which I am totally against/understand the culture behind that) and it kind of sparked the question.
Thank you for your time and I hope you have a good day/night!
oh man this is complicated
and a quick disclaimer that I am not the spokesperson for the Deaf community, other Deaf people I'm sure have other opinions
I'm personally of the opinion that only Deaf* (*and cultural Deafness includes people traditionally considered HOH) people who are fluent in ASL should create sign names with some exceptions. I don't think it's as broad as everyone who uses ASL as a primary language can create sign names because I'm quite honestly uncomfortable with hearing CODAs creating sign names even if ASL is their primary language.
the short answer is I think your students' situation is an exception
while ASL is and always will be first and foremost the cultural language of Deaf people it is also a language used by non/semi speaking people who are often just as involved in the Deaf world as Deaf people are. we share the struggle of oralism and we share the struggle of communicating (to whatever extent) in a sign language. we have and should continue to have a lot of solidarity. we also share a community. I know there are non/semispeaking people who exist in the Deaf world because we share a communication method and in the process they adopt Deaf cultural norms. while they are not Deaf they are undeniably hearing members of the community.
though of course not every non/semispeaking person chooses to exist in the Deaf world there is a large overlap
and this on its own would not be enough for me to say "yep! they can create sign names!" because hearing CODAs also exist in the Deaf world and still shouldn't be creating sign names
I think for me the biggest point is that communication is a right and names are part of communication. not being able to use someone's name limits communication and I don't think it's fair to limit your students' communication like that. your students aren't choosing not to fingerspell names they are incapable of it and that is entirely a different situation. this is also not a situation of "hearing person thinks sign names are just So Cool" those sign names naturally came into existence in the same way Deaf sign names did. this isn't a hearing person appropriating a part of Deaf culture because they think it's "neat" this is natural evolution of language among people who use the language as a primary form of communication. (from the sound of it these students didn't even know about the existence of sign names?)
and my personal opinion is that you should encourage it. because it's communication and communication is a right
other Deaf people are welcome to add on with their opinions
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thatiranianphantom · 7 months
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Nancy Drew Rewatch 1x15: The Terror of Horseshoe Bay
(Alternatively, where I rant about Owen and ASL)
I SWEAR that compass charm is bigger than it was on Nancy's necklace
The show's theme is Everyone: Nancy, no Nancy: Nancy, YES
Love Nancy's outfit here, by the way
"Horseshoe Bay...ians?"
Bess' waffling between accents is maddening.
Karen gets some very deserved lectures in this episode.
Okay, the beginning of the rant, but first a disclaimer: I am NOT an ASL expert. I know a little, I've taken a few classes, but I am not Deaf or a member of the Deaf/HOH community and by no means an expert. If you are a member of this community, feel free to weigh in!
What they're doing doesn't seem like ASL structure? It seems like SEE (Signed Exact English). Like they're signing with English grammatical structure, which ASL doesn't follow.
Who LET Nancy look? Owen, you do not know her at ALL.
He "speaks CEO" because they are just in completely different places...
This dude is the actual personification of "bro"
But Nancy's open condescension to him is just hilarious. "That's very clear."
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I just feel like proper ASL structure in a line like "what does this mean?" would sign as "this mean what?" but they say it exactly as it sounds in English?
But note the difference: Owen wanted to hang around Nancy and as a consequence to that was involved in the mystery, but he didn't really care about it.
Ace risking his life because he trusts Nancy SO much.
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Why why WHY is Karen confessing to Nancy? Wasn't it just last episode that Nancy herself said that Karen needed to be at the Claw so they could have an officer hear a confession?
No seriously I love Ace but his ASL is so very basic. Like it's bare bones. "My support wait". In 408 when he says "I don't make that face" he literally just signs "no face". Please, Deaf/HOH community, weigh in!
"The results have been....very mixed." George is killing it in this episode.
Okay, let's all remember this moment when Nancy straight up told the crew not to get involved and they ignored her. LET'S REMEMBER THIS EIGHT EPISODES LATER.
Look! Weather appropriate clothing for once!
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"Thank you!" My polite bby.
Tbh, took the time during the Owen/Nancy scene to give the ratties their meds. Preferable.
Pointed out excellently by @middleagedresidentofriverdale but we could definitely read this as Owen helping Nancy to get her into bed. Like I don't know if that's fully what they were going for, and I don't think his intentions were nefarious, but it does kinda read this way since he doesn't seem to have much concern for the actual mystery.
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scoffingatgravity · 7 months
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I’m withholding judgment until the rest of the season plays out (aka if this deviation from the show’s usual set-up pays off), but yesterday’s ep is my favorite so far. As others said, it feels like we’re finally going somewhere after all the build up - plus, Theo! My only criticism is that it felt like James Caverly didn’t get as much of a say as he did in the past.
Why do I say that? Well, in S2, Theo shows Mabel his card, which explains how deaf/HOH people usually only pick up about 1/3 from of what hearing people say from lip reading. The speech, I believe, also needs to be enunciated. Did Mabel sign with him? Yes, and it was good. However, there were moments in the episode where she turned away while speaking or fully had her back to him, and it’s not addressed.
At one point, I thought his expression when she turned her back was going to lead to him giving her a look and gesturing towards his ears, but he just continued on with the conversation. I guess they could have intended for us to view it as him being able to put the pieces together from what he read before and him understanding how her mind works, but it just felt off to me.
Disclaimer: I am a hearing individual and do not want to speak over the deaf/HOH community. I also don’t believe the above was done maliciously.
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finnglas · 2 years
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Re: the last post about Snoop Dogg's interpreter that said it was a "special type of sign language" to communicate "the beats and innuendo along with the lyrics," and I started to reply on the post, but I went a little...detailed...about it so I decided to make my own post!
Disclaimer: While I have hearing loss, I am not myself Deaf or Hard of Hearing. My dayjob is in helping provide accessibility, so I've learned a lot, and I'm learning ASL slowly but surely from Deaf instructors who also include information about Deaf culture in addition to sign language. I've tried to be as true to those lessons as I can in this post, but if any Deaf or HoH person has corrections to make, or even elaborations, please do!
I love concert interpreting -- there were a pair of interpreters at a holiday concert I went to that duetted "You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch" so beautifully it's the only thing I remember from it -- but the thing is, it's no more a variant on ASL than singing/rapping is a variant on the language it's in. ASL is already an expressive language with its own syntax and grammatical structure. It isn't a direct word-to-word translation of English. It's symbolic more than literal, and the usage of body language and facial expressions are a huge part of it. So, any ASL that is actually fluent or native ASL is going to have physicality behind it that communicates tone, context, and even rhythm the way that spoken English uses variations in pitch, pace, and inflection.
It's super cool, and honestly I recommend going down a rabbit hole of YouTube videos of concert interpreting if you're interested to see more, and if you're interested in learning ASL, Gallaudet University has really wonderful free resources online. (There are other sign languages in the world aside from American Sign Language, but my dayjob has to do with ASL and accessibility, so I'm not as well versed in the others.) (Additionally, some people who use sign language in America use CASE or PSE, 'Conceptually Accurate Signed English' and 'Pidgin Signed English' respectively, which use the same grammatical structure as English and are signed as a word-for-word (and sometimes syllable-for-syllable) translation and do not rely heavily or at all on facial expressions or body language. For example, the CASE sign for "butterfly" is literally the signs for "butter" and "fly" combined. "Cued speech" is another type of sign language that utilizes lip-reading with occasional hand signals to differentiate between similarly-shaped sounds.)
Anyway! Have this wonderful video of an ASL Rap Battle with Wiz Khalifa on Jimmy Kimmel.
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(The interpreter in the middle, whose name I can't quite hear over the audience to be honest, is a Deaf interpreter, and I honestly think you can tell the difference in their facial expression and body language as a native user of ASL.)
Also, this is a longer, more serious watch at 13 minutes, but Amber Galloway (the interpreter in the above video with the pink hair) gave a talk on equal entertainment access via interpreting, and gives an example of how hearing interpreters can sometimes get it wrong by not fully utilizing the possibilities of sign language. (As a point of interest, she ALSO has an interpreter in the top right corner of the video, and you can see some of what I'm talking about with the facial expressions and body language that go into it.)
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Anyway! I hope this was enlightening and that you enjoyed it!
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Fan art & videos:
Waffles outfits
When Raph Isn’t Home (latest version)
Snake-necked Turtle
Mutant Turtle hand signs:
(DISCLAIMER: these are signs I use occasionally as a person diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder. But I am neither Deaf/HoH/CODA nor fluent in ASL. Please defer to Deaf/HoH/CODA teachers for real-world ASL education.)
Pizza/Tired/ILY
Father/Pain/Bullsh*t
Yes/No
Found easter eggs:
Mirror images in The Clothes Don’t Make the Turtle
Smooth Donatello in Lair Games (Discovery)(Line art and recolor)
Magnet with a Men’s Underwear Setting in ‘87 TMNT
Other:
A mini reblog essay recruiting TMNT fans to my “home fandom” of Transformers : P
A Chart of Turtle Duo Nicknames
List of items canonically found in Donatello’s shell
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doctormage · 1 year
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oh important Q i keep forgetting to post abt
I signed up to co-lead a new disability-focused employee resource group at my company & I don’t have to do anything for it til mid-January but I am myself so I’ve been prepping shit already
would anyone—preferably disabled AND/OR a caretaker for someone disabled—be interested in filling out an anonymous survey abt what accommodations you have or wish you had at your job? the results wouldn’t be published anywhere, I’m just using them to compile a list of ways to better accommodate employees ! no pressure ofc just seein if anyone would be willing to give it a go
(details & disclaimer under cut)
since I haven’t met w any other co-leads yet we haven’t agreed upon any definitions of “disabled,” which is basically impossible to comprehensively define ofc, BUT
based on what folks in the interest meetings mentioned & what is legally recognized/protected, I have been compiling info and resources for:
Mobility aid (wheelchair, scooter, cane, walking stick, etc) users
Amputees / prosthetic users
Deaf / HOH / auditory processing disorders
Blind / visually impaired
Dyslexia / dyscalculia
Autism & ADHD
Other physical limitations or disabilities that may benefit from work accommodations (serious injuries, tremors, chronic pain, etc)
Other mental illness diagnoses that may benefit from work accommodations (OCD, PTSD, bipolar disorder, etc)
Disabled folks’ caretakers (in terms of like, flexible working hours & healthcare coverage, not autism warrior mommy blog shit)
Miscellaneous mental health topics (depression, anxiety, etc)
If ppl are interested in the survey I would leave a box for anything I might’ve missed; feel free to let me know in the replies here also!
‼️DISCLAIMER‼️ I know the potential perils of identifying as disabled at work; I am not saying anyone MUST tell their employer of their disabled status. (I personally have never told my employer this information either.) I am absolutely open to feedback on my approach—I only respectfully ask that folks understand I am trying to help people, not endanger them. ty ❤️
& as always please let me know if I’m misusing any descriptors or if I’m using any outdated or harmful terms! I did my best to google but that can only take you so far ykwim. thx in advance!
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dilutedapplejuice · 8 months
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Hmm. I’m having trouble explaining this coherently so I’m just making a list. Here’s why mainstream autism content on tiktok is waaaaaay skewed.
*disclaimer this is not an attack on anyone, just informational.
1) TikTok’s algorithm promotes and prioritizes the voices of hyperverbal, conventionally attractive American/British AFAB women and non-binary people with low-mid support needs. There is also just a lot more content from people like that (This excludes anyone who talks slowly or quietly or with a lisp or not at all or with an AAC, has a genetic disorder that affects how they look, can’t look at the camera, can’t organize their words in a way that pleases the algorithm, have camera anxiety, are BIPOC, are fat/plus-sized, etc etc etc.
2) The neurodiversity movement as a whole is just exclusionary. People use “neurodivergent” as a blanket term for people with LSN ADHD or autism (even though the word is meant for anyone who isn’t neurotypical, like people with personality disorders, anxiety, depression, schizospec conditions, brain trauma/injuries, etc).
3) Bad takes. From the videos I had seen, autistic people were accepting autism as a disability, but only in the social sense (aka if society accommodated better autism wouldn’t be a disability)-which is fine because for many low-mid support needs people that might be true. But it ignores autistic people who are disabled on an individual level, and not just because of how society treats them. They might need caretakers to do their daily tasks or any other number of supports. There IS a reason autism is ranked in order of support needs. It’s not just accommodations.
The same goes for autistic people who reject the “disordered” psychological model of autism (basically, psychology does diagnosis and treatment of autism based on how many “deficits” an autistic person has in social communication and restrictive/repetitive behaviors). Again, that’s fine if you don’t see any part of your autism as “deficient,” but it is not up to you to tell other autistic people that they don’t have any deficits. It’s up to the individual and saying psychology should get rid of it altogether is a harmful ideal which doesn’t take into account HSN autistic experiences or opinions.
Also, autistic people are allowed to identify with the labels of low- or high-functioning. Or Asperger’s. Again, that’s their decision. I didn’t see anyone mention that on tiktok. There was just a slight lack of nuance.
And… about ABA. It’s good that ABA is getting pushback because it is harmful to a lot of autistic people. It needs work. But the stances on tiktok about it are, again, un-nuanced. Most people talking about it don’t actually have any experience with it. No one ever mentioned that ABA actually has helped autistic people, and many autistic people who went through ABA have mixed feelings about it because it both helped and hurt them. There was no talking about alternatives to ABA or efforts to improve it. It was just about how awful the practice and its history is (which it can be a LOT of the time), and I suppose why it should be abolished?
^ And to make it crystal clear here, I am NOT defending ABA in any way, shape, or form. I don’t have the solution for it here. I’m just saying tiktok isn’t doing a good job of representing people’s arguments.
4) Lack of information on HSN people. Did you know that up to 30% of autistic people are also deaf/HOH? Me neither until today. There is almost no information on comorbidities with autism (other than ADHD/anxiety/depression and maybe EDS/POTS) on tiktok, even though people with autism are more likely to have another physical/psychological disability co-occurring.
So in conclusion, tiktok is a HUGE echo chamber for LSN autistic people and while it has some useful information about autism outside of the psychological view, there needs to be a lot more work for inclusivity, both by tiktok and the people making the videos there.
I think this list can probably be applied to other social media as well, but it’s just tiktok that I’m familiar since I used to browse autism tiktok obsessively bc of my special interest.
*also another note: I realize the algorithm was also responding to my own inputs: how much I watched certain people’s videos over others etc. It WAS my fault that I got so minimally diverse autism content, to an extent. But I know that many HSN non/semiverbal autistic people said that their content was never getting as much attention as LSN content in general and I wholeheartedly believe that. If you think your feed should be more diverse, it’s up to you to look for it because the social media platform is not going to do it for you. As a starting point look up “high support autism” or “level 2 autism” or “level 3 autism.”
I am completely open to talking about this, especially with level 2/3 autistic people. As a level 1 I want to listen to your opinions and respect them to the best of my ability.
Sorry this is so long and unorganized, I’m not sure how to make this more readable.
TLDR: Most videos on tiktok show LSN white autistic people and their content is mostly limited to takes about the late diagnosed LSN community, and doesn’t account for HSN autistic people and their families/caretakers.
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bobbimorses · 4 years
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mentions of 616 hawkeye’s deafness prior to 2014
see here for my simplified timeline of 616 clint barton’s deafness
clint barton debuted in 1964 as a hearing character. in the last issue of his first solo series, hawkeye vol. 1 #4 (released in december 1983), clint became hard of hearing when he activated his hypersonic arrowhead in his mouth to drown out a mind-control frequency:
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clint’s subsequent official marvel handbook entries would note that he was 80% deaf in both ears:
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he would remain so up until either 1996 or the end of 1997, after which he was hearing once again (we’ll get to his re-deafening in 2014 later). the following panels will focus on the 1984-1996 period.
clint returned to the avengers after the events of his solo series in avengers #239 (1984), wherein he informed the team of his hearing loss and was given a hearing aid (which he chooses not to wear in the issue because he’s appearing on tv):
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he informs cap, who wasn’t present in #239, of his hearing loss (and elopement) in avengers #241 (1984):
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his hearing loss isn’t brought up again until over a year later in west coast avengers v2 #1 (1985):
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he first mentions that he’s wearing a hearing aid in captain america #317 (1986). this issue was written by mark gruenwald, who also wrote hawkeye v1 where clint was deafened, so he was in a good position to call back to it and remind the reader of this development:
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all further acknowledgment of clint’s hearing loss in this period occurred in one series: solo avengers (later renamed to avengers: spotlight). it’s interesting to note that in all but one of these instances, clint is written as either turning down his hearing aid to avoid sound-based attacks, or “turning it up” to hear extraordinarily quiet noises.
the first instance is in solo avengers #9 (1988):
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solo avengers #10 (1988) establishes in-comic that clint is 80% deaf in both ears, a specificity which had only previously been mentioned in his marvel handbook entries:
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one i initially forgot: in west coast avengers #40 (1988), clint turns up his hearing aid to hear the shroud’s movement in pitch darkness
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solo avengers #16 (1989) has clint hearing something that would be undetectable by an average hearing person. notably, this is also the only panel i’ve seen from 1984-1996 where clint visibly has a hearing aid. although as you can see, the coloring places it outside of his mask (half the time clint’s mask is portrayed as covering his ears and half not because of coloring):
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here’s a sound attack dodge in solo avengers #17 (1989):
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in avengers: spotlight #26 (1989), clint disables high-tech devices, and is shown not to hear tony speaking to him once his hearing aid is turned off in the last page:
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in avengers: spotlight #28 (1990), clint is immune to the combined sound powers of the issue’s villains--where others perceived a visual illusion of them as other people, clint saw them in their true forms:
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from what i’ve observed, there were no mentions of hearing loss or appearances of hearing aids from 1991-1996. so to tally these up, 6/11 of all mentions after hawkeye v1 #4 were from the same series.
in 1996, clint was killed in marvel’s onslaught event (along with most marvel heroes). he then appeared in marvel’s briefly rebooted universe, counter-earth (created by young franklin richards and accessible through his toy ball. yeah.). whether counter-earth hawkeye is considered the same person as 616 clint is a whole can of comic worms we’ll not worry ourselves with...
he did appear without a mask on counter-earth in avengers v2 #11 (1997). honestly, with how it’s drawn, i can’t entirely tell if it’s meant to be a hearing aid, some take on a futuristic hospital monitor, or what. in any case:
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in 1998, clint is revived/returned, and is no longer deaf. an in-universe explanation for why is given in avengers annual v3 2001:
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the editorial reason given for the change is that clint’s hearing loss was treated very inconsistently in-comics, and by ‘98, was largely not known among both writers and readers. this seems plausible; unless they had read hawkeye’s 1983 miniseries, consistently read solo avengers, or scoured what were essentially marvel encyclopedias, there had been little indication that clint was deaf (no visible hearing aids, not brought up in main titles for 12 years...). since it seemed to the writer that clint had continued to be written as if he were a hearing character, he decided to revert him to one.
clint’s period of hearing loss was acknowledged in she-hulk v2 #2 (2006), when jen walters states that clint knows sign language:
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in fact, this appears to be the very first mention of clint knowing sign language, as ASL was never referenced in all preceding issues and handbooks.
in 2014, clint would be deafened again in hawkeye v4 #15. currently, the degree of his hearing loss and the type of hearing aids he wears--though usually a BTE when visible, and at times IICs in the form of “stark tech”--is dependent on the writer/series. here’s clint in hawkeye: freefall #6 (2020):
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he is, however, shown to be fluent in ASL, as it was retconned in hawkeye v4 #19 that he had temporary hearing loss as a child and learned it with his brother
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some people's attitude towards sign language absolutely baffles me. I'm hearing but I was raised signing (asl) because my mom is fluent (she used to be an asl interpreter at schools!) and sign language is incredibly helpful for toddlers that can't communicate well verbally yet. I forgot a lot of it but I've started learning again recently and it's just so fucking weird to me how so many people act like it's a fun trend and not a whole language??? like- sign language is more than just curse words and a few lines from a song you learn for a tiktok trend; it has it's own grammar structure and rules and it's just so weird to me how some people act like they're fucking geniuses for knowing how to tell someone to fuck off in asl and then refusing to do proper facial expressions because they just don't want to. Also! ASL is not a universal sign language! Just like english isn't a universal verbal language! People will learn a few sentences for a trend, not even sign them with correct grammar, refuse to listen to anyone in the deaf community or learn shit about deaf culture and then act like they've made some kind of new discovery and they're so cool and inclusive and it's just so fucking weird. ok that's all i just needed to rant.
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nighttimepixels · 4 years
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Just wanted to let you know that... I'm trying to learn the little sign language, at least a little bit with your comic. It's always been a language I wanted to learn, both ASL and my native language, in fact. Say, why snd how did you learn this language ? If it's okay for you to respond, of course, I don't want to urge you or step in a line I didn't know was there
Oh, that’s awesome-!! I’m so honored you liked it ;v;
To answer your question - I’m not fluent in ASL, not at all! But I’ve picked up bits and pieces over the years for a lot of reasons. Some of it was media I enjoyed, more came from having a few friends that were struggling with selective mutism and wanting to be there for them even with a few signs, and more yet was just… personal interest!
I’ve learned everything I know of ASL online, but I of course rec joining a class or even just community group if you have access!
There are several wonderful sign dictionaries out there - with videos, picture sequences, and GIFs of the signs in action - and that’s a great place to start just picking up a few that are most important. Also… videos on Youtube, allllll the way. The great thing about ASL too is that even if your sign vocabulary is still small, if you learn your sign alphabet, then you can make tough spots work by spelling out words - and asking for the official sign by spelling the word out!
The thing to remember about ASL too is that… it isn’t just a ‘modifier’ to English.
There’s a lot of ease and benefits to the obvious crossover, but… there’s culture, there’s tics, heck, there’s different grammar rules! A lot of ‘extra fluff’ is left out of ASL because it’s absurd to leave it in, it’s not needed, and it’s just not part of the language for good reason, and more importantly, without detriment.
For example- in Part Two of the comic, I show Brick signing along to the dialogue as in-fic, “seems like I…. made an impression.” Now, in spoken English, we can envision the tone used, and so on, really easily, right? And the signs translated to that sentence. However… the actual signs used strictly translate to:
seem
I
impression.
A big reason why I chose those, in that order, is because part of Brick’s story is that he isn’t yet fluent in ASL - he’s still learning, and is actively searching for words & their corresponding signs! I get the feeling he’s ‘thinking’ in spoken English, and is translating in sign as best he can. (but idk, @popatochisssp is obviously the best one to ask on that front, I’m just interpreting and checked a few details with her as I was working on it X) )
I considered adding the sign for “big” in there before impression, but for space & dialogue translation reasons I ended up leaving it out - even though, tonally, that might well be what someone signing would choose to get across the same impression - or just emphasize ‘big’ using their body language!
That’s one of the things I love most about ASL- that it is just as expressive as a vocal language, despite what it seems like a lot of people think. Maybe it’s bc I’m an artist & animator, but the use of the body beyond just the ‘hand motions’ is just as important… and relays a lot about personality, just like someone’s voice and basic, more simplified body language might.
(On top of this, consider ASL’s different grammatical structure - you can read more here, it’s really cool - but basically, commonly you’ll see Subject-Verb-Object or Subject-Verb order; and if time is involved, then you might see something like “WEEK-PAST I WASH MY CAR” or, depending on the user’s vernacular, they’ll favor the subject-first style, and sign “MY CAR WEEK-PAST I WASH”. Point is, there’s variation just as in spoken language, and reasons behind those choices!)
.. okay I’ve rambled too long XD
Basically, I myself started learning bc I was interested for several reasons, both personal and bc I’m a nerd who happened across ASL content online (a couple bloggers, a few stories). I recommend just keeping it in your personal orbit as much as possible if you���re interested in learning! Read comics with sign, check out shows/movies with characters who sign, and definitely check out bloggers/youtubers who sign (and I always rec people who are HoH/deaf and/or mute most of all!)
TL;DR, if you get nothing else outta this post but are curious about Sign Language here’s some video-based Signing Content to get you interested/follow!
Things Not to Say to a Deaf Person (feat lots of BSL - British Sign Language - actually! But it applies across the board and is cool to see signing folk bust some bs)
I Can’t Hear Myself Speak! [CC] by Jessica Kellgren-Fozard, who is a lovely disability advocate & queer lady who is also Deaf/HoH! She talks about how she can’t hear herself speak in this video, and the varied ways deafness/being HoH can be manifested, and a bunch of other related things. (Link includes the playlist she has for her videos on Deafness - she signs in BSL, so don’t worry if you know only bits of ASL and don’t cotton on to her signing!)
ASL time - Top 10 Basic ASL Phrases for Beginners by Nyle DiMarco! You might’ve seen him around - he’s that super nice deaf model who went viral in the past few years on a few videos! He’s got a short series about basic ASL (and him being cheeky) that’s actually a big fave of mine bc he phrases it like a conversation, not just disjointed phrases.
How I Learned Sign Language From My Deaf Boyfriend by Sign Duo! Honestly, their whole channel is great. Tons of vlogs, they both sign the whole time of course - and they’re just really relatable, they feel like conversations - plus they’re both just really likeable. I strongly recommend any content that actually features two+ people fluently signing, but these two are great and informative. Also, I recommend their video My Deaf Boyfriend: Why He Doesn’t Use His Voiceif you want to know more about that cultural choice/inclination. Remember to turn on closed captioning if you aren’t fluent in ASL! :)
How Do Deaf People Experience Music? an interview featuring Shaheem Sanchez, a stellar deaf dancer and actor. Like I said earlier, I really really recommend learning about Deaf/Signing culture alongside the signs themselves. The context is incredible, and honestly, broadening your understanding of any marginalized group by learning their stories as told by them is a good thing in my opinion.
Dos and Don'ts of Interacting with the Deaf Community [CC]by The Essential Sign. Again, turn on CC if you’re not fluent in sign - her videos are great! This one’s a great cultural one for those new to signing/who want to learn about deaf culture. She busts some common misunderstandings and shows some course corrected alternatives that are actually positive, and encourages you how to move forward without stumbling over insensitive landmines! Similarly I super recommend her video What is Concentration Fatigue? (with RIKKI POYNTER) [CC]which talks about something you don’t see mentioned as often, I think - precisely what’s on the tin.
… aaand I’ll leave it there for now, I think those are good starting points and a variety of styles! Deaf/ASL-fluent vloggers are a great resource and way to, even if you’re isolated/don’t have a practice community, get regular exposure to sign as well as actual first-hand (heh) accounts from people who sign in their everyday life!
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earthstellar · 3 years
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Cybertronian Culture and Society: Chirolinguistics and Cybertronian Sign Language
OK, so I finally have a minute to write this up! 
Disclaimer: I am a sign language user!  
But while I am HOH (hard of hearing; I have APD, Auditory Processing Disorder) and I am currently fundraising for the hearing aids I need, I am not a BSL (British Sign Language) user. 
Instead, I use Sign Supported English, which is typically used by HOH or deaf people who learned spoken English before learning sign language. 
The type of SSE I use utilises BSL signs, and I do mix in some BSL grammar/structure where I know it and when it’s appropriate, but my signing tends to follow spoken English grammar as I am usually talking to hearing people and use sign to supplement my communication. With my fellow Deaf/deaf/HOH squad, I do my best to use correct BSL grammar and so on.
While SSE is often but not always a stepping stone to BSL, I lack the funds and resources to learn BSL fully, so I have learned all of my sign from books and websites, most of which I have compiled into an info post here. 
Cybertronian Sign Language: Chirolinguistics! 
In MTMTE/Lost Light, we see that Drift knows how to “speak hand”, which is depicted as a tactile sign language: 
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The concept appears to be similar to Deafblind Manual or other tactile sign languages, using touch as a key mode of communication.
We don’t see their faces while they sign, so I can’t say if facial features are as important with Chirolinguistics as they are in real world sign languages. 
Due to the similarities to tactile sign, I would say Chirolinguistics is closer to tactile sign than BSL/other sign languages for that reason.
For example, with BSL and other forms of sign language, facial expression is essentially tone of voice, among other things. “What?” (question) can become “What!” (angry) dependent entirely on facial expression, as the sign remains the same, for example. 
Chirolinguistics, from what we see in the IDW comics, seems dependent on what may be significant or particularly sensitive sensor receptors on the servos being manipulated in addition to digit placements and patterns to utilise a type of tactile code for communication. 
It also seems to be fairly commonly used, as Drift, Megatron, Ravage, Riptide, Getaway, and to some degree Tailgate are all familiar at least moderately with Chirolinguistics. (It should be noted that Tailgate learned from Getaway.) 
Cybertronian Sign Language is depicted as a completely different communication method from Chirolinguistics. 
Cybertronian Sign Language is depicted in RiD; It is stated to be based on American Sign Language, although I am far more familiar with BSL so I can’t say how accurate or how offensive it might be.
You can see the sign language scene here, starting at 0:04. 
While Blastwave uses some good body movement (shoulders, torso) and seems to be doing nice, clean signing, his helm/faceplate design don’t seem to allow for a lot of expression. 
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He does move his helm to nod in the affirmative though, so while helm movement seems to be important in Cybertronian Sign Language, it may be the case that facial expression is not as significant as it is in most real world sign languages due to Cybertronian physiological/design differences. 
It may be that they use their EM fields or energy fluctuations instead of relying on facial expressions for that kind of mood/context/grammar/etc. information, although this is never stated and is just my conjecture. 
Comparing the Two! 
Cybertronian Sign Language seems to be much more similar to ASL etc. compared to Chirolinguistics, but both are fascinating because they seem to have different cultural context.
We see Cybertronian Sign Language used by a character who is mute, which is disability related. But we see Chirolinguistics utilised mostly by non-disabled characters, notably all of whom (with the exception of Tailgate) are Decepticon related in some way or villain characters. 
The ship trader Drift bought the Lost Light from also used Chirolinguistics, suggesting it is a mode of communication used primarily by those who are seedier, more underground characters as perhaps a “secret” communication method. 
I would like to see Chirolinguistics used by a disabled character to avoid the unfortunate and seemingly intentional implications one may draw from that difference between the two sign languages in use between Cybertronians. 
However, I’m always happy to see sign language concepts incorporated into fictional worlds/cultures, and it’s very cool to me that Cybertronian Sign Language and Chirolinguistics both exist as distinct communication options. 
Hopefully this was interesting for someone to read! 
If you liked this post, I am still fundraising for the hearing aids I need, as recommended to me by my audiologist. 
My Ko-Fi is here! 
My PayPal is here! 
If you are able to spare any change at the moment, please donate if you can. I would really appreciate it! <3
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whitesdni-archived · 3 years
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i wanna hear ur deaf haikyuu characters headcanons !
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under a cut because i dont want this taking up everyones dashboard
OKAY OKAY ANYWAY
disclaimer: Deaf is someone born into the Deaf community, and has no hearing. they use sign language as their main way of communicating in offline spaces. deaf is someone who can be hard-of-hearing (like me) or can be fully deaf, but it is from hearing loss not being born that way. HoH is Hard-of-Hearing, and deafblind is someone with both vision and hearing loss (for example, i have no vision or hearing on my right, so i would be deafblind, but as i dont use sign language i would be part of the HoH community.) “sign” is a shorthand way of saying “sign language”.
on karasuno i feel like it would be an all deaf/HoH team but the 3rd years r all deafblind. smth about graduating right after nationals smth smth vision loss idk it fits.
in a similar thread, when yachi joins the team she recently got hearing aids and everyones like “wow so cool”. she adds little star stickers to them and in her 3rd year little crow stickers get added too.
hinata got hearing aids in 3rd grade, right after he started to lose his hearing. he does not wear them unless he’s at school and uses sign instead when hes around friends/family. natsu got glitter glue on his first pair and thy were not the same since.
i dont rlly have any other thoughts on karasuno deafness aside from noya being Deaf ^_^
on shiratorizawa everyone is Deaf and goshiki is deafblind, with 75% vision loss in his eyes after head injury. semi wears hearing aids but has those little charms on them. ushijima ends up getting his hearing fixed after he graduates because he needed it when he visited his dad in america
seijoh is the only team where i think most of them are HoH/hearing tbh . iwaizumi is definitely deaf though. kyoutani is deaf as well but has cochlear implants.
nekoma is a mixed team, though most of the 2nd.3rd years are HoH. lev is the most noteable hearing kid and consistently forgets to use sign at practice. he doesnt know any regional signs either so when he sees karasuno signing for the first time yaku and kenma (both Deaf, as well as kuroo) have to spend forever explaining that different regions use different signs.
whn karasuno goes to national and they see all the Actual Powerhouse schools have name signs for each member of their team theyre like “wow thats crazy. we should do that” adn then they doesnt</4
inarizaki is also a mainly hearing team, though osamu and kita are both HoH to me. suna is just visually impaired.
on fukuroudani everyone is HoH, exception being bokuto, who is fully deaf. they dont use sign though unless talking to other deaf people (namely during the tokyo training arc.)
i could probably go on further & elaborate some more but i am quite a bit tired -_- thanks for listening though:)
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