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Their reaction to you being super interested in their passion( KH’s characters)

Agatha Harkness:

Agatha found it cute how you kept trying to do magic, even if you were a simple (and beautiful) mortal. You would often ask her about it, and were always so eager to learn as much as you could (you were especially happy when she’d let you read some of her books, even if they were the simpler ones). She was so happy that you weren’t afraid of magic nor think she was evil or a monster. It was so hard to find someone who still believed in magic like you did.

“Aggie!” you squealed “I did it!”

She laughed and turned to you. Sometimes, you’d come and show her one of those “tricks” humans called magic. You were so cute.

“Alright, buttercup, let’s see” she smiled.

You smirked and closed your eyes. You lifted your fist to her face before you opened your eyes and slowly opened your hand. Agatha expected to find a card or a small gift, but a small butterfly flew around her. It was made of light and even if it was small, it was also the most beautiful thing she ever saw.

You giggled when the butterfly landed on her nose before disappearing. She looked at you, shocked.

“I did it!” you squealed again and hugged her “I’m like you!”

Agatha hugged you and kissed your temple. No, you weren’t like her, you were something more. You were one of the few humans that still could control the most powerful magic of them all. The ordinary magic that flew around every living being but that just a few could see. Life itself.

Olivia Octavius:

Olivia knew that science is usually a hard thing for most people. Yes, there were a lot of renowned scientists in the world, but it wasn’t something every child dreamed of being. Even in Alchemax itself, it was hard for her to find someone who shared her interests and passion. It was like everyone there just wanted the payment (which was good, to be fair).

So, the fact that you seemed to be so interested in it, was a gift. You weren’t necessarily good at it, but you had fun and were so cute, never giving up. She loved to watch you playing around her lab (but she always kept the dangerous things out of your hands), discovering your own things. You were always so happy when you could show her something you discovered on your own, no matter if it was simple and she already knew it.

What made her fall completely in love with you tho, was that you also shared Doc Ock’s interests. You were as devilish as her, and so much naughtier. Your “plans” were often so much better than hers and New York had to deal with the fact that sometimes Doc Ock won over spider-man, even if no one knew how.

“What are you working on, love?” she asked.

You smirked as you showed her your new design. “I think Doc Ock could use a companion” you said.

Ursula Gernsback:

For Ursula, the fact that you were so interested in robots was both a blessing and a curse. You were always asking her questions about her and her programming and often asked for permission to look closer (which she gladly gave, in hopes to get more...intimate, but you never fell for it. You were just too innocent).

You’d spend hours playing with her buttons and cables (but nothing too important, you didn’t want to hurt her), and she didn’t mind sitting on a cold table for hours, as long as your hands were on her, she was fine with it. You were so tender with her, you touched her with so much love and veneration. As if she was the most precious thing ever.

But you were also oblivious af. No matter how much she tried to flirt with you, no matter how obvious she was, you just didn’t get it. Which means that it was a torture to have you so close and not being able to kiss you or hug you.

“I like your eyes” you said while you were analyzing her again “They look so real and beautiful”

“Can you see the love of my life in them?” she tried again.

You blinked and frowned in confusion “You’re so silly, Sulie” you giggled

“Why? Can’t you see yourself reflecting on them?”

“Yes I can, but I don’t know what it has to do with-”

Ursula smiled as you blushed and seemed to realize (finally!) what she meant.

Carla Dunkler:

Carla actually met you at the Spa. You were the new member of the staff and she was quickly dragged to you. You were just so charming and kind and cute and she was quickly head over heels for you.

You seemed to be interested in her too and started to try to get closer to her. You usually asked her about her life, her hobbies, what she wanted to be when she was little, etc. Carla thought you’d lose interest in her after she told you she had a son (it had happened a lot of times, she was used to it by now), but you were actually even more interested now. She was surprised when you started to ask about Jackson too, his dreams and aspirations.

She didn’t know what to do, because she wasn’t used to someone being actually interested in her like that. So you had to be the one who made the first move.

Eve Fletcher:

Eve loved doing things with you, no matter what. She just loved to spend time with you and feel like you loved to be with her too.

She was so grateful when you started to show interest in her literature class and asked her to show you her works. She was shy about it, but you were so reassuring and you quickly started to ask her for more. You didn’t pressure her, but you were so invested in it that Eve couldn’t help but find it extremely cute.

Jennifer Barkley:

Jen was so proud when you started to show interest in her work. She loved what she did almost as much as she loved you, so it was like a Christmas gift, but better. Because she quickly took you under her wing (even if you didn’t actually want to work in it, just were interested), and she was able to have you near her 24/7, even when she was working.

You seemed to be having so much fun and it made her so happy. People started to call you her apprentice, until she corrected them and everyone knew you were her partner. After a while, everyone got used to your presence, and would be pretty worried if you don’t show up with her at an event.

They all started to make bets on when Jen would actually propose to you.

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hellzyeahwebwielingessays · 4 years

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There is so much to say about this. Much of it is obvious. It’s gross. It’s spiteful on Slott’s part. But the thing I want to talk about is how it was one of countless examples of plot over character. Of contrivance over logic. Of MJ being written like a dumbass so she wouldn’t realise Peter is not right.

When has Peter ever spoken to MJ that exact way?

Never.

And yet someone I used to respect on Spider-Man matters actually defended this moment.

The crux of their argument was that MJ wouldn’t have suspected anything about ‘Peter’ because of the situation.

As in, to MJ the stress and danger of his the Sinister Six going directly after him and his loved ones is what caused Peter to talk to her this way.

Let’s unpack that idea.

First of all, outside of jest (and even then only like occasionally at best), Peter has never called MJ ‘woman’ before.

Second of all Peter has never insulted MJ in this way outside of the following situations.

ASM #122. This is perhaps when Peter was at his nastiest with MJ. I’m sure I need not spell out the context but for the record I’ll do it anyway. MJ’s friend, Peter’s would-be fiancée has just died. Murdered by the Green Goblin. Peter has come home to find MJ there. At this point MJ has seemed nothing more than a carefree party girl to Peter, someone who from his POV played with Harry’s heart and put the moves on him in spite of knowing about how Harry felt about her and how he and Gwen felt about one another.

He lashes out at her and viciously insults her, demanding she leave.

For the sake of argument let’s ignore later retcons about MJ’s past and knowledge of Peter’s identity.

In this situation Peter’s attitude is perfectly understandable and MJ was always aware of that. From MJ’s POV perhaps she has been out of line, but even if you disagree with that she’d know that Peter is emotionally devastated in this moment. He’s grieving from a immense wound that’s only a few hours old.

That is not the context for ASM #700. In ASM #700 he’s not grieving. From MJ’s POV he might be scared and stressed but it’s a million miles from being as bad as Gwen’s death.

Also this was when they were both much younger and when they had yet to have a serious romance. Before they shared a lifetime of trauma and tragedy that bonded them together and made them closer. That is surely a factor worth considering his actions in ASM #700.

Later in the same run we have ASM #127 when Peter chastised her for not turning in evidence after witnessing a murder. Peter in this instance was trying to deliberately provoke MJ so she’d get over her fear, get better protection for herself and ultimately do the right thing.

MJ herself might not have been aware specifically of what Peter was doing here. But the context was still starkly different to ASM #700.

Here it is MJ who is stressed ad scared, not Peter. From her POV Peter’s insults are coming from a place of moral outrage not frustration or fear. With hindsight MJ would also know that Peter was Spider-Man at this time and so was looking out for her, someone very capable of handling the Vulture. His moral outrage would also make more sense in hindsight as MJ is in effect replicating his own mistake from AF #15.

So again, not a comparable situation.

How about ASM #318? This was when they were married. In this story an unemployed MJ has spent yet another night partying. Peter gets passive aggressive when he calls her out on this and they have a brief argument.

First of all, this instance is very different to Peter’s insults in ASM #700. He wasn’t being passive aggressive there at all and much more hurtful. Additionally MJ was running away from her problems and in the wrong in this instance. That is not the same thing as Peter being stressed and scared and lashing out.

Next up we have Spec #199 and #200 where Peter and MJ have two blazing arguments.

Noticeably here Peter isn’t insulting MJ all that much if at all. The context here is somewhat similar to ASm #700’s because he’s afraid Harry as the Green Goblin will target his loved ones.

However, Peter’s stress here is the result of weeks of psychological warfare on Harry’s part. He sent Aunt May an intimidating present back in Spec #189 and ordered the Rhino to threaten the Parkers in Spec #190. He admits to this strategy in Spec #200

There had also been lots of other mentally taxing things going on around that time too, like Peter’s first encounter with Carnage, Venom’s renewed vendetta against him and Calypso using voodoo magic to torture him.

This was a Spider-Man who hadn’t just snapped into stress mode because of this one situation but had his mental resiliency pushed very far already.

Let’s also consider this wasn’t just some super villains targeting his loved ones, but an Osborn as the Green Goblin doing it. The Goblin/Norman Osborn hurt Peter in the most devastating way since his uncle died. For him to know his secret identity and to be using it to hurt Peter’s loved ones is going to hit harder than just any villains in general doing that.

MJ would know that not just because of her shared life experiences with Peter but because she studied goddam psychology!

The last time I can recall Peter being this scathing towards MJ was in Spec #211. Here he delivers perhaps an even more vicious insult to MJ than in ASM #122. He accuses MJ of knowing nothing about pain or sacrifice, merely running away from her pain.. He then equally scathingly suggests she go out dancing as she is want to do when she flees her concerns.

What makes these insults extra vicious is that they weren’t said by a younger Peter who’d never been with MJ seriously before. A Peter who didn’t know of her painful past. It was uttered by an older and married Peter who was fully aware of his wife’s childhood.

Again though, context is key.

This was set during the ‘Pursuit’ story arc. Months prior Peter had discovered his parents were alive and had been in a Soviet prison until the (then recent) collapse of the Soviet Union. Over time he’d accepted them back into his life and even revealed his secret to them. However, they were merely artificial imposters created to resemble his parents by the Chameleon. After they were destroyed Peter vowed to make Chammy pay and relentlessly went on the hunt for him.

So this moment from Spec #211 is yet another time Peter is grieving from a very fresh and very emotionally devastating wound. To lose your parents once is awful. To do it at a young age worse. To spend your whole life accepting that difficult. To find out all that grief and struggle was pointless because your parents were alive and abruptly back in your life? Well that’s emotionally confusing at best, if not a major gut punch at worst. To then put the work in to build a relationship with them, to learn to trust them, to let them in and open up about your most intimate secret? That’s a big step. That would’ve taken immense emotional strength to make yourself so vulnerable.

To then be betrayed after that, by your parents no less, to discover it’s all been a sham. That the work you put in was a cruel joke and to then lose your parents all over again.

It’s an emotional/mental scar the likes of which many people might never have recovered from.

Peter is not simply angry. He is incensed! He is very close to being in a murderous rage.

Is it any wonder he lashes out so cruelly and so unfairly against MJ in this moment?

Of course not. He’s not in the right but obviously it’s forgivable given the circumstances.

Again though, his stress is born from grief and pain. No fear or concern.

So as we can see, past precedent shoots down the idea that Peter would talk to MJ this way even if he was stressed and so on. And MJ knows that.

Shit, he didn’t talk to MJ this way during ‘Civil War’ when the Parker family were fugitives and Peter’s identity was public knowledge. There, as stressed and concerned as he was, he was often soft spoken and even romantic with MJ.

Not to mention what on Earth is there to even be fearful or stressed about?

MJ’s dialogue claims Peter is scared, worried for his loved ones. Concerned that he’s not up to the challenge of protecting them.

But like…it’s Trapster, Scorpion, Hydro-Man and a dying Doc Ock.

Not exactly the A-Team are they?

Trapster is a loser C-lister Peter 9/10 can very easily handle and has handled in the past.

Hydro-Man is technically more powerful but you zap him with some electricity and he’s out. He’s really not that difficult to defeat even for a low tech Spider-Man, let alone a Spidey with access to advanced tech and assistance from HORIZON labs scientists.

Scorpion is in some ways the most deadly of these three but he’s also way easier to beat. You don’t have to worry about his malleable body or his sticky traps. He’s basically all about brute force and Spider-Man was able to clean his clock even as an inexperienced teenager.

And when he wasn’t holding back as an adult it was really no contest.

Normally Doc Ock would be the most formidable opponent here but he’s literally hours away from dying. This a very far cry from the Doc Ock who was powerful enough to manhandle teen Spidey in ASM #3

Or who outright intimidated Spidey when he was like 23 years old.

Spidey routinely beat Ock when he wasn’t backed up by gadgetry and HORIZON labs. Now he has AND he’s got time to prepare himself for battle AND Otto is on his last legs. As far as Ock battles go, this is an unfair fight. The cards are in Spider-Man’s favour.

Yes they are ganging up on him but Spider-Man actually fares better against groups of opponents because of his acrobatic abilities and spider sense. He is actually able to turn his opponents against one another if anything.

Again, MJ knows all this.

I’m not saying this situation wouldn’t be cause for concern but it wouldn’t be emotionally destabilizing Peter to nearly the same extent as many of the instances I spoke of above.

So MJ would be absolutely aware that Peter is acting very out of the ordinary here.

So the guy who claimed the situation justifies her blindness is full of shit.

P.S. Also, frankly MJ looks weak for saying she loves Peter after he chews her out.

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