#doom headcanons

[goth--moths]

Is this anything

#disco elysium #harry du bois #harrier du bois #kim kitsuragi #plaisance #ruby the instigator #jean viquemare #idiot doom spiral #garte the cafeteria manager #joyce messier #evrart claire #how would i tag the skill drama #shitposting #memes #i headcanon harry as bi like everyone else on earth but i couldn't pass this up #the image of garte with You still owe me 45 dollars came to me like a vision #and then this happened #would kim be nicer than this? probably yes. is it funny when he judges harry's deranged wardrobe? also yes

[synvelesow]

branded

#daan doom posting #tw implied csa #fear and hunger #fear and hunger termina #fear & hunger #daan #fear and hunger daan #karin #fear and hunger karin #daarin #? #my loose sad headcanon regarding this man's fucked up past

[commandernachos]

TADC headcanons

(I thought of these while half alseep at 6AM)

-Jax is like an annoying older brother to Pomni (even though he's younger)

-Zooble loves making any kind of art

-once Zooble made Pomni a Ragatha plush

-Pomni thinks no one else knows, but Zooble told Jax who is waiting for the most embarassing time to bring it up at any given moment. Gangle also knows, since Pomni had it out in front of Gangle but didn't realize Gangle was there/mistook her as a decoration.

-Ragatha doesn't need a Pomni plush since Pomni small

-Pomni constantly accidentally offends or hurts Gangle in some way*

-Pomni, Jax and Gangle purr. So does Zooble but no one knows and no one ever will know

-If you squeeze Pomni she squeaks like a squeaky toy

-Pomni's hat is not removable (controversial opinion)

-How to talk to short people:

Jax: hangs Pomni up on the wall with a nail (credit to Flyingsnake0)

Ragatha: picks up Pomni by the armpits like a cat

-Gangle has a crush on Zooble (mutual or unrequited depending on my mood)

-Zooble will murder anyone who hurts Gangle*

-Pomni is scared of Zooble*

#Keep in mind I've been waiting for my sister to come here to actually watch the episode so idk if Zooble says they hate art or something #Tadc #The amazing digital circus #Tadc headcanons #The amazing digital circus headcanons #Pomni #Ragatha #Ragatha x pomni #Pomni x ragatha #Buttonblossom #Jesterdoll #Doomed circus yuri #...is that all of them #Gangle #Zooble #Gangle x zooble #Zooble x gangle #Jax

[lazycranberrydoodles]

fruit colored ninja??! 🥥🍇🍏🫐🍊🍓🍈

follow for more sillies <3 more stuff below the cut ↓

at first i was trying to give them all outfits from my closet but i realized i just wanted to make designs instead. here’s the original sketch i did at work and the height reference chart i made. and some closeups :)

#all of their outfits are so masc lesbianified dihdjf #a lot of people hc jay as short but i think hed be the type to be annoyingly tall. #the ninjargon in the background says ninjago :) jay’s shirt says ‘starfarer’ on it but nya’s just says ‘tshirt’ lmao #mayhaps i will post my headcanons on my doom drawer account #art #ninjago #lego ninjago #digital art #my art #sketch #character tags. here we go. #zane julien #pixal borg #lloyd garmadon #jay walker #cole brookstone #kai jiang #kai smith #nya jiang #nya smith

[nezz-cringe-crib]

lawlight angst hc (spoilers)

i started reading the death note manga and there's this one panel talking about light's nightmares and i like to headcanon that those nightmares never go away. even when his memories are gone in the yotsuba arc, he's still having nightmares that he doesn't fully understand but he knows it has something to do with him possibly being kira. he always brushes it to the side though and keeps gaslighting himself into believing it's not true. i especially like to headcanon that the night he gets his memories back, the night before he kills L, he has the worst nightmare he's had since the start of all of this and it completely ruins him. like he just wakes up in a sweat and starts sobbing, to the point where he can't even try to deny himself from anything anymore. i also like to think that on this same night, him and L are sharing the same room together despite not being handcuffed anymore. L probably requests it just because his suspicions are up again, and watching light wake up in a complete panic is the last piece of evidence he needs. but instead of acting on this, he just chooses to ignore it. because despite everything, light is his friend. and he would like to die knowing that the night before his passing, he was beside his friend, not his murderer.

the panel in question btw:

#death note #headcanon #l lawliet #light yagami #lawlight #im gonna make a comic of this later absolutely #i just needed to get it out rn #plus itd be cool seeing other people's takes on this #i honestly cant remember a lotta the specific details on whether or not L and light still stayed together after de-handcuffing #but i like to imagine it like this anyways #they are my forever doomed gay yaoi and they will stay in my heart

[jflxwr]

we know icicle and winter were in the same hatchling and r twins but i hc that icicle hatched first and will NOT let winter live that down. like she does that thing where when she runs into him she goes "hey lil bro" and winter goes "you hatched like five minutes before i did ."

#icicle: damn first place since birth that's crazy !1! #icicle: insane how u were doomed to the 4th circle from the start #icicle wof #winter wof #wof #wings of fire #jflxwr #jflxwr headcanons #jflxwr incorrect quotes

[allthegothihopgirls]

Hc that Jason really resonated with Frankenstein’s monster after he came back from the dead and his terrorization of Bruce is, in part, inspired by the monsters terrorization of Victor

ok i'm gonna preface this by saying what the fuck anon (/pos). i've been talking about this concept since it popped into my inbox i'm actually OBSESSED.

clawing at the insides of my enclosure foaming at the mouth etc etc

anyways, 1000% YES. the whole thing of jason being put back together not only at the hands of another, but also in a way which is so so unfamiliar to the him he knew before death, soooo extremely frankenstein's monster-coded.

both brought to life by impossible circumstances, and neither feel as though they own their autonomy. searching for some kind of redemption, needing to feel complete or avenged.

both having a sense of justice, shunned by society, one which doesn't earn them praise but instead punishment and disgust. both resenting the decisions of their creators/mentors. torn between worlds, neither of which they feel accepted in. oh my GOD.

i'm a huge fan of the whole idea of jason coming back and feeling displaced and in an entirely foreign body, and that's just oh so frankenstein's monster..

like IMAGINE that being his frame of reference for his feelings. put together what feels like piece by piece, messily, with only second-hand scraps. all with no regard for the person he was before, only with the intentions of being 'repurposed'.. AHHHHH

(as well as the fact that it's ALL mental for jason, he comes back 'perfect', unscathed and replenished. he has no physical justification for feeling the way he does, second-hand and hand-sewn. his feeling of 'monstrosity' stems from elsewhere; the feeling he gets walking around in this body which is simply not his, or the look in bruce's eyes when he sees him again for the first time, seeing a monster not a son.)

also the conscious knowing that his make-up is no longer his own, he's composed of parts which are unrecognisable to his old body, the one he owned and hand-carved through age. having to walk through days, feeling his actions as his own, but having a body which warps the intent behind them to all onlookers.

god imagine, blaming your creator for your fate, and needing the answers of your inadequacy to come from him himself.. and no other source can explain your imperfection in a way you can accept, it has to be him. jason NEEDS bruce's validation, to confirm or deny that he is irredeemable and a lost cause.

as much as i don't think jason would take pride in relating so much to frankenstein's monster, it's definitely a lingering thought in the back of his mind, something that determines his own story and outcomes.

he thinks of him when he loses control, and knows that he can't use it to justify the way he acted. he cannot tell the monster that his actions were okay, and that the people just did not understand, although as much as he wants to.. because he knows that isn't the case. he knows the monster was always a monster, and grows to feel the same way about himself.

he resents the way he acts, because all he sees is the monster. the one who acts according to his moral compass, but is always wrong. always clouded by his monstrosity. he decides he really should never trust himself or his intuition, because it's always disgusting and ugly, and even he'll be able to look back in retrospect and be repulsed by the way he carried himself, and not hate the way everyone punished him for it.

he wants so desperately to get himself back, morph back into the boy who knew his rights and wrongs and was never looked at funnily for acting how any normal person would. but the only part of his past self that still exists is in his mind, he wants to rip it out and show people that it's still him inside of there, but he simply can't do that.

his body changed without his permission, he never asked to be an abomination, a scientifical anomaly. he wants to scream about how it's not his fault, how he's not what the world paints him to be. how he can just be normal. but he's never really going to feel that way, as long as his mind and body remain two separate entities at war.

i feel like he clings onto the humanity of frankenstein's monster, and uses him as an anchor, something that shows him it's possible to remain acceptable and human.

i also think he analyses the character oh so deeply, to try and latch onto all the relatability he can find, the things he doesn't get from real people.

maybe he has a copy of the book, annotated in such a personal way. perhaps someone else stumbles upon it, and is just so distraught by the conclusions drawn from the scribbles and highlights, the way jason seems to view himself.

the way that although jason's always seen himself like the monster, unloveable and unacceptable, everyone else was always ready to accept him.

that maybe the real downfall of jason and frankenstein's monster is that the way they viewed themselves was too focused on the displacement they felt, assuming automatically that everyone else must feel the same way about them, if not worse. not taking the moment to let people learn to love them all over again.

anyways, unreliable narrators post resurrection!jason todd and frankenstein's monster, who were always seen with at least an ounce of humanity, but were both overridden by self-hatred and the disgust of their form, which led them to total exile and isolation.

#anon you have a brilliant mind #im gonna be honest not sure how much sense im talking in this one #i didn't really touch on the inspo for terrorization of bruce thing explicitly. but i think that's implied??? #like he acts with frankenstein in mind. he succumbs somewhat to the actions of his and feels them set in stone #just because he feels doomed the same way the monster was #asks #anon #!!!!!!!!!! #jason todd #red hood #under the red hood #robin #character analysis #? #batboys #dc batman #dc comics #headcanon #dcu #dc #frankenstein #gothihop speaks

[lunareclipses-moments]

Some cursed memes I made after reading book 7

Idia going through 7 stages of grief

Might make more

Yes I am normal about this guy

#twisted wonderland #twst idia #twisted wonderland headcanons #idia shroud #twst imagines #disney twisted wonderland #disney twst #twisted wonderland manga #twst mc #book seven is like the end of the world and our only hope is a shut in weeb #twisted wonderland is doomed

[crabonfire]

Scout falling for reader

characters: scout

tags: fluff

note: writing this on a whim and ignoring all the other drafts I really wanted to write! also hi :)

I was writing an enemies to lovers but um....maybe later

I have a love for scout okay :( I'm sorryyyyyyyyy ill do full characters right after this one (I'm in a writing mood for once in years)

and of course reblogs and comments very much appreciated <3

♡Scout♡

• You were really the only true friend he had in the base. He considered all the other mercs his friend too but, he knew they'd never really share that friendship. He felt appreciated, and had someone to talk to who would really listen to him, not finding him stupid like the others do.

• He didn't realize he fell for you. The last time he fell for someone he acted shy, aloof, awkward and honestly embarrassed himself a little. He never knew what to say. So it took him a while to figure out he liked you, because whenever you two spoke, words always came so easily to him.

• The day he truly does realize his feelings though, is a day like any other. Your team, victorious, going out for drinks at the local bar. Scout could never handle himself well to alcohol, and you didn't really seem to be a drinker either. You two were sitting outside for the most part, laughing and making fun of the other team, as well as you listened to him ramble on his accomplishments of the day.

• Though, something lingered on his mind. A question he really thought about for a while. He knew you wouldn't judge, so he asked you your opinion.

"How long do you think we're gonna have to do this for?"

• You turned to him, confused. He continues.

"Fighting. Like- how long do you think it'll take before it's over? I'm not sayin' I don't enjoy kicking the other teams ass or the money we get, but well- I don't know."

Anytime he asked this question, Spy, Demo, everyone in the team really, all just said "not to think about it and to do it until it's done." He was never satisfied with that answer.

He saw how you contemplated it for a moment, seeing a small smile curl onto your lips when you looked back at him to reply.

"I don't know. It's probably for a bit longer, I mean- it's been 2 years. Pretty sure there were mercs before us who fought for this stupid war.*

You paused, "Why? You wanna quit or something?"

He shook his head. "Quit being able to kill people for a bunch of money? No way! I just- I think of doing other stuff. We barely have any free time and I don't wanna do this stuff till I'm old or something. And I know old- just look at Spy. He's probably from the ice age or somethin'."

• You snorted, chuckling a little at his comment. He smiled, he always liked to see you laughing at his jokes, made him feel funnier than he really was. You mirrored his smile, turning to look at the road. The night was a bluish gray, a striking contrast to the liveliness and warmth the bar brought.

"I get it."

It went quiet, he wondered if that was it.

"I don't wanna grow old and retire from this job either. But I don't think it'll be so bad."

"Really? Why?" He asked.

• He saw the way you turned to look at him, that same smile he knew all too well, one side of your face shone so brightly under the bars lighting while the other side was slightly masked with moonlight. Your reply was so simple, but it made his heart race.

"You'll be there. And I guess having you around makes things less worse."

• He stared bashfully at you upon hearing those very words. His palms got sweatier than they usually did as he felt his chest tighten. You must've noticed, because you let out an embarrassed chuckle.

"Haha- that was corny as hell. Anyway, I'm gonna go get another pack of soda for us."

• You stood up and walked back to the bar, but he couldn't look away from where you sat before. His face felt warm, damn.

He didn't know what it was. Maybe it should've hit him sooner, the fact he had feelings for you. The fact that- whenever you pull him in for a hug, his heart beats a little bit faster. When you laugh with him he laughs just a little harder because your laugh is his favorite. That your playful fighting with each other, it really does mean a lot to him.

All he knew was from that day on, it became difficult to think of you without realizing everything it was he loved about you.

♡♡♡

I don't know how to write endings anyway scout fans here's your food I know it's been a while it's okay mama is here 🫂

and yesssss sigh don't worry there are other fics I'm writing 😪 just...wanted to do scout first as a practice :)

hope you enjoyed! reblogs and comments always appreciated, I'd love to know your own opinions of scout and such!!! #scoutlover

#tf2 #tf2 x reader #tf2 headcanons #tf2 scout #tf2 scout x reader #scout tf2 #team fortress 2 headcannons #team fortress 2 x reader #team fortress two #tf2 spy #putting spy in here cause LOL #fluff #friends to lovers #JKKKK theres no ending LOLLLL #lovers more like DOOMED YURIIII your honor scout is A GIRL!!!

[clanwarrior-tumbly]

Doomslayer x child reader that finger paints his helmet because "he's always scary, but needs to be SPOOKY for Halloween" and the two words mean something very different to the little reader.

Doesn't actually make him look scarier, but the Crayola war paint must stay ON for battle!

NOTE: This is 100% fatherly platonic fluff

.......

To make a long story short, the Doomslayer finds you among the wreckage of a city on earth, and you travel with him while he protects you from demons (kinda like Child!Marceline and Simon from Adventure Time post-Mushroom War).

Having been a father himself once, he finds bonding with you to come almost naturally.

Sure, he doesn't speak much and makes you stay in the Fortress of Doom (which has very little enrichment besides comic books and video games) for your own safety, but he cares a lot for you.

And you're very brave despite the constant demonic threats. Thanks to him, you've never been afraid of a single monster.

You saw him squish an Imp's head like a grape once in the Ripatorium and thought it was the coolest thing in the world.

When the Halloween season comes around, it's seldom celebrated on Earth anymore (of course, nobody wants to go around dressed like scary demons when the actual ones have been murdering billions).

But you, however, still loved the holiday and took it upon yourself to make something "spooky" for the Slayer..

By fingerpainting one of his helmets to make it look like a ghoulish monster, using some Crayola paint he found for you in a destroyed toy store.

You showed your finished work to Samuel, and he thinks it looks utterly ridiculous.

But he opts to humor you, knowing the Slayer would have his head if he ever made you cry.

"So you believe this new..."cosmetic" will make him appear scarier?"

"Well..he's already scary, but he needs to be spooky scary for Halloween." You explain to the robot proudly. "Those are two verryyyy different things, Sammy."

"...yes, I suppose they are." He sighs

When the Slayer's ready for his next mission, you give him the personalized "ghoul helmet", and he stares down at it for a few moments.

Samuel refuses to believe he'll put it on.

But the typically rage-fueled godlike man looks back at you. His gaze remains stoic, yet his eyes were gentle and warm.

"Very spooky."

That's all he says as he pats your head with approval, before donning the final piece of his armor and going through the portal.

On the battlefield, he eviscerates every demon in his path, but he takes great care not to get too much blood and/or guts on his helmet..

He'd hate to ruin all of your hardwork.

#clanask #anonymous #doom x reader #doom eternal x reader #child reader #fluff #platonic #headcanons #halloween

[pixxelcatt]

Hey do you remember that episode where Raph got turned into a plant and then it was never brought up again??????

WELL I DO SO IM GONNA TALK ABOUT IT

So like there’s NO WAY he’s just completely normal after being literally turned into a pile of grass and drained of all his mutagen like ??????? I know Donnie fixed him, by apparently just putting it all back, but like what did he put it back into?? The pile of grass?? Raph is grass Finn confirmed /j

So anyway, I think he’s part plant now, whatever that means— bro can grow plants magically maybe? Like the Sadida from Wakfu I think. (I haven’t watched that show in a hot second tho lol)

Also ! Photosynthesis.. (sort of shown in the very last comic lol) Turtles already like to bask in the sun, so maybe he just likes doing it more now I dunno- but ig living in the dark sewers might be a problem oops

Also I love like the idea that Raph and April can bond over not fully being what they thought, and how to cope with that. tho I forgot if they all knew she was part krang at the beginning of s3, it’s been a bit since I watched s2 sooo correct me if I’m wrong thx

I have more ideas, but those have comics I’m gonna draw for them :) so I’ll hold off for now

#I am so not normal about this headcanon it’s my new favorite thing #also yeah ik Mikey brought it up in a single sentence in the creeping doom- but that’s it so it doesn’t count #pix’s art dumps #tortoiseshell flowers au #tmnt #teenage mutant ninja turtles #tmnt 2012 #tmnt raph 2012 #tmnt Raphael #tmnt April #tmnt 2012 April #tmnt 2012 Raph #tmnt raph

[roe-and-memory]

i know everyone already knows this but when u think about how harv treated lightning like. for a Long time. it somehow feels even worse.

like you have this kid, obviously eighteen, who’s entire personality has been shaped by the One person in the world who would prefer signing paperwork to actually spending time with him. he’s had mack, he could have taken after mack instead, but he chose harv because harv is “cooler”. harv pretends to be his friend, makes snide remarks about him, and just straight up ignores him 😭 and lightning always seems so excited to see harv too, whenever he hears him he sounds so delighted that the possibility of this person he looks up to might have actually shown up — but he hasnt. because harv lies. he’s quite literally the embodiment of docs line “depending on someone they cant count on”, lightning is depending on harv to show up and stay true to his promises, but harv literally could not care less about any of it 😭

and like its so SAD because harv not caring has projected that carelessness onto lightning, so when doc asks “when was the last time you cared about something except yourself” he has to realize that in a way, he doesnt actually care about harv either. as much as he wants to believe he DOES care, its almost like part of him knows the only real thing he wants from harv is approval. he knows that harvs opinion matters, even if lightning cant really bring himself to care about him as a person. he wants approval because as much as mack gives it to him, mack would ALWAYS give it to him, whereas harv tells him the “truth”, so if mack were to tell him he had a great race and harv was to say something that opposed that, like criticizing his driving or something, it would just end with a bunch of distrust and miscommunication.. augh

idk Idk just something about the fact that lightning would rather the hard truth over a lie, except you know full well that mack is never lying because he loves that kid like hes his little brother, but he just. Doesnt realize that people can have different opinions and still both be correct about something . i hate harv i fear.

#cars 2006 #cars fandom #lightning mcqueen #pixar cars #cars headcanons #memory’s headcanons #doc hudson #mack cars #harv cars #number 1 harv hater for life #i love it when characters are tragically doomed to look up to the people that hate them #free my boy #he doesnt deserve this

[tesalicious2]

For some odd reason I got the idea in my head that Monnk and Fox HATE each other.

Like they cannot be in the room together, they will beat each other to death.

No one knows why but since they were cadets they can’t.

No Jedi knows because it’s never been an issue until there’s this big meeting and any Jedi available shows up in person with their commander.

Kit joins and Monnk is meant to be there too but is late. No one sees an issue until Commander Thire shows up, he’s meant to accompany Fox for the meeting.

Thire looks at Kit Fisto and shakily asks, ‘where’s Monnk?’

‘He’s running late. He’s probably showing Commander Fox the way, since he’s never been to the temple before.’

The Jedi laugh and the commanders freeze, ‘uh oh’

then all the commanders run out of the room, shouting for Fox and Monnk.

The Jedi look towards the holo of Ponds and Mace, all direction to Ponds.

“No one knows why but everytime they meet they fight. Not like spar fight but I’m gonna kill you fight. We don’t leave them alone together, ever.”

Well, the commanders return a few minutes later. Fox and Monnk split apart and once settled, motion for the meeting to start.

After all is done, everyone moves to leave and Thire loops an arm around Fox. The man isn’t really putting any weight on his leg and is breathing uneven. Commander Cody goes and helps him out.

The Jedi seem taken aback by this and leave somewhat confused. Commander Doom helps stabilize Monnk and walks with him out. All they hear is a mumured ‘why every time. You have to beat the snot out of each other.’

Kit Fisto looking confused, looks toward the Commanders.

‘They got to each other first, might wanna get Monnk to a medbay.’

Kit nods and quickly goes after Monnk.

#clone wars #clones #commander monnk #commander fox #headcanons #Commander Doom #Commander Wolffe #coruscant guard #scuba troopers

[comixandco]

ik that taako’s voice in the first episode was because justin was still figuring out his character but i like to imagine that before joining bob taako put on fake accents to avoid being recognised, since he was wanted for the whole poisoning incident, but also for the bit

and then kravitz changes accents mid-fight in crystal kingdom and then drops them during their date at the chug ‘n’ squeeze and taako’s like oh 😳 same hat 😳

#taz balance #the adventure zone #taakitz #taz taako #i’m relistening to the entire balance arc and idk i just think it’s fun to take little abandoned details from the early runs and make them #into headcanon’s. like the whole taako and lup went to a religious boarding school headcanon bc of justin’s one-off comment about olmec #taako can’t even remember his god’s name but he is very religious you guys. they definitely got expelled from the school. #merle gave up on pan between the beach and bob bc his most religious experiences and connections w pan were wiped from his memory. but #exploring and something about his new boss sparks a nostalgia for his og god and he tries to re-build his faith. #magnus’ knife is lowkey prophetic but nobody notices (while riffing on it they mention a +8 weapon that deals an incredible amount of damag #e aka the sword of doom; and they say how in the final arc a dragon will appear from nowhere and has been there the whole time and it loves #you aka lup) #merle doesn’t trust gundren because he has so few memories of his cousin/his family there isn’t anything to gauge his intentions from #sildar hallwinter is barry’s go-to undercover name #y’know. stuff like that #i like re-contexting old information to fit with the new

[hopeworth]

protective mishanks is ooc to me sorry guys. shanks loses an arm and mihawk is only angry that he can’t fight him at his best ever again. mihawk tells shanks zoro is going to kill him one day and shanks only toasts to the new era. neither of them are going out of their way to bail each other out of trouble not because they don’t care about each other but because they have so much faith in the other’s abilities as two of the most powerful people in the world.

#i adore mishanks but they ain’t like that 2 me nuh uh #well actually the ‘bailing each other out of trouble’ i can be flexible with but i just think they’re not that attached to each other #sorry this is my aromantic mishanks speaking. if they were REALLY in trouble they’d help each other out but anything other than utter doom #gets met with a ‘he can handle it himself’ #EDIT: HEADCANON. i just realised i worded it like it happened it didn’t lmao. headcanon. just to be safe. #mishanks #mihawk #shanks #one piece #op.txt #obligatory: you can do whatever you want forever btw. don’t listen to me if you want overprotective husbands mishanks or something.

[svetzzi]

Excluding death metal from dethklok’s tastes:

nathan: goregrind/brutal death metal (yes it’s different. ok.)/deathgrind/slam metal (cannot forget the pig vocals)

murderface: pornogrind / garage-ass deathcore

pickles: classic/skater punk / dad metal (obligatory)

skwisgaar: blackened melodic neocrust / melodic stenchcore (+ obligatory power metal I guess. Eugh).

toki: trve kvlt / dsbm / blackened dark-ambient noise / whatever the fuck s3rl is considered Im not looking it up

charles: first wave ska / alt rock / blues / rap / some new wave stuff

magnus: nu metal. lol

#nathan and pickles can reminisce about classic doom metal together #Skwisgaar’s first band was a general surgery/carcass ripoff which he grew tired of p fast #but more importantly everyone except toki enjoys motörhead #also think pickles would like sublime and skwis would like a little doomsynth but it’s not enough to be considered main interests #metalocalypse #headcanons #svetz said a thing #Idk felt like vomiting in a post rn #oh yeah charles likes cake and iggy pop too.