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westfall-castle · 2 years

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What do you really think about Aelin? Personally, I think she's really rude. I'm not staying this because she is written to be confident in herself. But I believe it is arrogance. We as an audience are gaslit into believing that she's just strong and doesn't take crap. But so was Nehemia, but the difference between Nehemia is that she isn't arrogant, but Aelin is.

Also there is the issue about her making "plans", that include no-one. I'm pretty sure that's not how you run things. It's pretty selfish to not tell anyone about your plans (like what happened to Aedion), and it's pretty selfish to be physically angry about someone who has a different of opinion than she did ( like Dorian talking about freeing manon in EOS).

Hahahaha, I’m sweating cold with this question because I have a feeling that when I answer, Aelin fans are gonna come for my head with torches and pikes. Still... ilysm for asking this, you're my crush, send you kisses and I agree with you on many levels.

My opinion: Its just too much to understand her anymore. It's like that movie, Split with James McAvoy. I heavily suspected dissociative identity disorder at some point 🤣. Aelin should be at least 45 to have lived all she has lived. It gives me the impression that SJM had to pick ONE main character for her fantasy books, either a girlboss pirate, a young assasin in a mens' world, a medieval courtier with a secret agenda, a gifted magician or a queen from a lost kingdom and she said "fuck it, i'll take them all". There would be no problem with this IF the character stayed consistent, if there were enough TIME but... SHES 19 IN THE FINAL BOOK. I mean...

Her personality traits just keep appearing left and right and us, as readers, don't get accountability for these new ways of behaving. She's feminine when it suits her but then bashes femininity in the next chapter. She's "one of the boys" but also a "girlboss". She's crazy and manic but also mighty and merciful. The only thing that remains constant might be her sense of humor. Her moral compass is a mess and there comes a point where she's truly unpredictable. It seems that she behaves according to what the plot needs in the moment.

For example; She's a girlboss feminist who is willing to teach Yrene how to defend herself and seems to have intentions of "empowering" women around her but then looks down on "soft" vulnerable women, rolling her eyes and mentally shaming and judging on multiple ocassions throughout the books and even saying things like (quoting one of her lines when she meets Philippa, her personal maid.) " Why send such a soft woman to serve her? She'd outpower her in a heartbeat". (And yes, Assassin’s Blade happened before TOG, is she evolving backwards?)

The books center so much in praising her through the point of view of multiple characters that we do not get enough introspection on her behalf. If anything we are swayed into a new tragedy/ battle/ moment of suffering where we only see her brooding over herself or past events as if making her suffer more and more somewhat was the way to revindicate her instead of her having a moment thinking to herself " well, I fucked up, things were not as I thought and I see it now".

Everyone owes her everything even if she was wrong sometimes and never accepted it. She has way too many life debts to call in the end and SHES ONLY 19. That’s why many readers felt in KoA that whenever Aelin and the plot hit a dead end, she just had to send a letter and 8 new powerful allies came claiming they owed her their lives. COME ON 😂 There’s a difference between writing fantasy and magically solving plots with unrealistic arguments.

I think what I hate most is the gaslighting of the narrative. as you mention. There are times where she's being arrogant, mean or condescending and instead of getting a REALISTIC and UNBIASED perspective we just get a Rowan POV chapter saying something like "It was not a plain woman but a queen standing before them" or "It was a queen's voice speaking" and then, as if it was not enough it follows another simping POV (usually Aedion) saying also " Wow, it was not his cousin speaking but a queen before them" like... NO STFU she's not right this time hahahah, and when exactly did she become so high and mighty.

Another example is how she fn ADORES to splurge on dresses on Assassin’s Blade but the moment she meets Kaltain and eavesdrop her conversation in the gardens Kaltain says that her own dress is ‘so old’ despite being practically new and Celaena’s reaction is ‘ugh, these air-headed women’ instead of maybe not pointing it out or even find it relatable. I know that this tells us more about Kaltain, so that we understand the type of person she is, but I still don’t like the harsh judgement Celaena seems to have about specific traits of her personality. Readers are gaslit into believing this change comes from her time in Endovier and now she’s so centered and appreciative and morally superior but THEEEEN in Crown of Midnight she LITERALLY DOES THE SAME, buying more clothes and jewels than she can wear, becoming suddenly a little bit cocky saying things like ‘ugh, these tacky clothes, I wouldn’t be caught dead in those’ . Come on girl, don’t be judgy when you’re the same.

I loved Celaena in Throne of Glass (BOOK 1) . Up until this point it was a tight character, I liked her personality, her internal monologue was funny and relatable. The events that had happened in her life were somehow believable (even if it’s a fantasy book) Her moral compass was clear for the reader and we had this concept of "rogue with certain moral values/ chaotic good" persona. When Aelin comes though... Idk anymore, It feels so inconsistent. She's just... everything, she has 8 different personalities at the same time, it's like she was an A03 fic and she had ALL THE TAGS, all the tropes. She gets away with the bad things she does too easily. In the end I was happy she was happy and never came to hate her but its just too much going on for one character.

#tog #throne of glass #rowan whitethorn #celaena sardothien #aelin ashryver galathynius #sjm books #sjmass #yrene towers #yrene westfall #chaol westfall #dorian haviliard #tog series #kingdom of ash #anti aelin

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brainrotcharacters · 4 months

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2024 I aspire to be as slutty as Dorian Haviliard age early 20s being the peak definition of flirtatious even when possessed by a literal demon

#because tell me why his line slaps?#“I'll bleed whatever color you tell me to”#be fr #dorian haviliard #manon blackbeak #SJM

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whitedemon-ladydeath · 5 months

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the way Dorian Haviliard is such a ride or die and the way the series even jump started was simply because he wanted to piss off his dad

#throne of glass #dorian havilliard

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aelin-queen-of-terrasen · 3 years

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Dorian: guys, I have a question. If your leg got cut off, would it hurt?

Aelin: yeah.

Dorian: how?

Fenrys: cause... your leg got cut off.

Dorian: but where will you feel the pain—

All three, simultaneously: —if your leg is gone!

Rowan, staring from across the room: you guys are idiots.

#throne of glass incorrect quotes #throne of glass #sarah j maas #aelin ashryver galathynius #fenrys moonbeam #rowan x aelin #rowaelin #dorian haviliard #this one is so stupid #who let me do this?

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gwynesmerietrio · 3 years

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DORIAN CASSIAN

🤝

F*CKING A WITCH

#acosf #acosf spoilers #nessian #nesta archeron #manon blackbeak #tog series #acotar series #dorian haviliard

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theartemisagirl · 3 years

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Dorian: *flirting with manon*

Manon: How old are you?

Dorian: 21

Manon: I am old enough to be your mother

Dorian:

Manon:

Dorian: Wassup mommy

#manon #manon blackbeak #throne of glass #dorian #dorian haviliard #king of ardalan #crochan queen #sarah j maas #sjm #manorian

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celeanademir · 2 years

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If you were to have a a discussion with two of the characters from throne of glass who would you pick and what will you discuss first?

#throne of glass #mannon #manon #aelin #aedion ashryver #lysandra #rowan whitethorn #rolfe #captain of pirates #queen of fire #celeana sardothian #chaol westfal #dorian haviliard #yrene towers #nesryn faliq #captain #meme #tog meme

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fantasyfangirling4ever · 4 years

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Wait a damn minute- did we all collectively forget about Hollin? Does Dorian have a whole ass brother that we just completely forgot about? Is that little shit still alive after eight books???

#sarah j mass #throne of glass #dorian haviliard #crown of midnight #kingdom of ash #heir of fire #empire of storms #tower of dawn #queen of shadows

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xminyard · 4 years

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'To whatever end'

me:

#Tog #Throne of glass #Tog series #Sarah Janet Maas #SJM #Sjm #Sarah j Maas #Sarah J Maas #Aelin Ashryver Galathynius #Rowan Whitethorn #Manon Blackbeak #Elide Lochan #Dorian Haviliard #Chaol Westfall #Lorcan Lochan #Yrene Tower

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your-high-lady · 5 years

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HahaHahahah 😂😂😂🤣🤣

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ourdreamsofwinter · 5 years

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We shall see it then

So, I wrote this little story about what I would like the future to hold for ou babies Manorian. Enjoy my sloppy writing if you can :')

Dorian Havilliard had flown all the way to the Witch Kingdom. To the Witch City's stone castle, to be precise. With his magic now somewhat depleted, the journey had taken a excruciatingly long time in his shifted form. But he couldn't wait to see Manon Blackbeak Crochan, the Queen who ruled this kingdom.

It had been months since he last saw her, touched her or simply held her. He could bear it no more, and he'd done all those things the moment he set foot in her bedroom tower and caught her lying in her bed. Naked. He also needed to ask Manon something, he remembered, but that could wait.

After they had kissed and bedded and gotten all tangled in each other's body, Dorian, holding her, finally had courage to say what he's been dying to,

"I think it's time for you to meet my court, witchling. My mother and brother, I mean."

This past year since the Great War against Erawan and Maeve - and death of Manon's coven - Dorian and Manon had spent quite sometime together in the company of their friends. Chaol and Yrene Westfall. Rowan and Aelin Whithethon Galathynius. Even a few of Manon's closest whiches, Petrah Blueblood and Brownen, knew about their longing relationship. Dorian just thought he should tell his mother about the Witch Queen who held his heart, if only to make Georgina Havilliard stop trying to find him "suitable wives".

"I don't think I quite understand you, princeling." She looked truly puzzled, as though coming known about their relation never crossed her mind.

"You can't truly think we should hide this forever, Manon, I do not bear the thought of someone thinking my heart belongs to any other woman..." Dorian, sounded almost pleading.

Manon, who had been lying on the King of Adarlan's chest until then, softly rose to her knees, urging him with her. With preternatural grace, she took his face in her hand and stared at him with those striking golden eyes.

"Dorian", she almost never used his given name, "What you are saying cannot happen, don't you see? Both our worlds would never accept this, your mother most of all. It's one thing for our inner circles to know about our involvement, but the rest won't be as merciful. I'm not a woman. I am a witch. I have iron nails. Iron teeth. Blue blood runs through my veins." with that Manon unleashed said nails and Dorian winced as she cut trough a thin line of her collarbones, blue blood leaking. "And you, you are a princeling, utterly human." This time she cut his collarbone, where bright red blood spilled.

"It doesn't matter that you are my princeling" Manon's voice softened now "It does not matter that I have come to love you. Because I have, despite all our differences. I love you, Dorian, you brought human emotions in me,"

She was smiling sadly, and Dorian couldn't help but feel hope at her words - she had never explicitly told him she loved him. "and for that I'm forever grateful. But I'm immortal, and you are not. We can love and cherish each other for as long as we want, but someday, it will all come to an end, and our kingdoms will need us."

A rational part of the King saw the truth in her words. But Dorian, a dreamer, would not give up. Not after all they've been trough, he would not let the consequences come between them. This time he came closer to her, only fresh air separating them, and poured his heart out in his sapphire eyes,

"I do not care what you say now Manon, because I, too, love you with all that I am, all I have become. And even if I grow old and die, which I will, I shall keep loving you all the way into the Afterworld - gods there or not. And although you say no one can know about us, someday they will. For I shall have no heir that does not come from our love then there will be no denying the perfectness that would be that child." They both smirked at that. "One time you told Yrene we'll see when she said we should get married. You couldn't have changed your mind that easily, right? "

Dorian laid her back on the bed, the witch's moon white hair pooling around them.

"You already are the Queen of my heart, Manon. And no matter how long it takes or how long it lasts, you will be my wife. The whole world will know it."

Feeling like even if she tried - and she would not - Manon couldn't deny his promises, the Witch simply looked into the kings eyes and whispered, "We'll see."

They both smiled then, and kissing, sealed their love right there.

#manorian #manon blackbeak #dorian haviliard #kingdom of ash #throne of glass #sarah j maas

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westfall-castle · 2 years

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wtf are you talking about? Dorian and chaol don’t have no romantic chemistry they both straight… they would be awful together choal would be an tw:abusive! chaols the straightest whitest asses man in the books. Ik dorian kinda fruity with fenrys but he’s straight

Huh???? No romantic chemistry??? Abusive?!! How???? Chaol loves him. I know it’s not romantically canon but it was RIGHT THERE. Besides, romantic or not he loved Dorian so much, he would never. In my mind, my Chaol is definitely bi whether he acted on it or not. Then again, ABUSIVE???? Never. Nawwwwww we completely disagree on this one.

#what’s going on #chaol westfall #throne of glass #tog #chaol westfall daily #dorian haviliard

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brainrotcharacters · 6 months

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Pre-demon Dorian, Sacrificing Himself™️ but not before telling his captain of the guard and greatest childhood friend "I love you" and Chaol saying it back so easily? Oh they're so