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mammalsofaction · 29 days
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A ridiculous problem to face as a Perryshmirtz slash Phineas and Ferb writer is trying to write angst considering Dwampy decided to canonically name their establishments and characters. Are you telling me I'm trying to write deathly angst of militant training and death inside the secret spy organisation named Organisation Without A Cool Acronym. How does anyone here keep a straight face.
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alex-travaganza · 4 months
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa did you see the new pnf short?
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this is news to me. i’ve been focusing on my mental health (playing red dead redemption 2 and nothing else) for the past week so i’ve been offline but i gotta check this out…
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i am so hype for this. i love it so much. it is amazing and i want more right now. please don’t read under the cut there’s definitely not a multi paragraph conspiracy theory underneath
I AM NOT ACCUSING ANYONE OF ANYTHING… i am just SAYING MY PEACE
us shippers are rejoicing, as we rightfully should, at this amazing w. but i just gotta be that one guy, i gotta poop on the party. could this be bordering into… and forgive me for uttering these words… queerbaiting?
i know the idea of being queerbaited by an evil scientist man and a secret agent playtpus is ridiculous and hilarious, but r we getting johnlocked just a little bit? maybe just a little…. because i’ve always been of the opinion that perryshmirtz will most likely never be a canon storyline for a bunch of reasons, and as much as i’d like that to happen, i can see how some oblivious straight people (so… probably a lot of the writers let’s be real) could reasonably watch all of phineas and ferb and think there’s absolutely nothing homoromantic going on between the two of them. like of course there’s jokes about them being like couple in the same way we get it for buford and bajeet, but, at least when it was airing at the time that it was, that was neverrr going to be acknowledged as anything but funny funny haha joke. like i love dwampy but this show is not crowned for its thoughtful and progressive takes there is SOOOOO much racial stereotyping and ignorant shit in pnf. relationships between two men were not going to hold the same narrative weight as a hetero relationship
so yes i think it’s a bit of a stretch to say pnf in itself is queerbaiting with perryshmirtz, but THESE SHORTS… this is like……. a lot man it’s a lot man it’s a blessing and a curse. i hope it’s just a couple folks who like perryshmirtz putting those bits for funsies but i’m getting suspicious. i’m raising my eyebrows up and down, feeling as if i’m seeing flags of a.. pinkish hue… reddish, perhaps.
and this is disneyyyy cmmmonnn all these hip new queer kid shows? they’re doing pretty good. of course, we aren’t going to ruin our precious precious phineas and ferb IP for the foreign market by putting a gay relationship in the actual show, but it couldn’t hurt to draw in a few tumblr and tiktok queers from our homoromantic little shorts, eh? ehh? it’s a big market, kids aren’t just tuning in on cable tvs anymore to watch phineas and ferb, we need a little more outreach. it’s all about streaming babbbyy it’s all about that disney plus! get those queers watching the new seasons of phineas and ferb when they’re finished binging the owl house!
are you understanding my friends? i am no messiah of perryshmirtz. that’s liz. but maybe, i shall be a mere messenger spreading my annoying takes amongst the land. or maybe it’s not that deep because 8 year olds watching phineas and ferb don’t care. but it’s a free website baybe
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shima-draws · 1 year
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We should make a petition to make human perry canon
At least ONE episode of human Perry shenanigans. Doof accidentally shoots him with an inator and absolute chaos ensues. Please Dwampy I’m begging you indulge us just this once
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forgottenpnffacts · 3 years
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oooohhh thought of something else.
what do you think the significance of the zebra that calls Candance Kevin is ?
it was one of those reoccurring jokes in the show and i always found it a bit funny. and for the most part that's probably all it is. just funny.
buuuut in the episode where they go into candances mind the zebra is there. and so if more or less everything in her head represents something about candance.
what could the zebra be? any ideas ? 🤔
The zebra seems to be either a recurring figment of Candace's imagination 
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or a dimension-traveler (from a dimension where Candace is known as Kevin) in-show, 
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but the meta reason for its existence seems to just be so there can be a running gag for Candace.
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hkthatgffan · 5 years
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The little boy in me who sat in front of our old TV watching Across the 2nd Dimension the day it premiered, one August night 8 years ago is screaming with joy right now.
I can’t wait to see the new Phineas and Ferb movie. 
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grifalinas · 5 years
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Monty’s fucking pissed
I talked about this the other day but this scene is the source of my “Monty is kinda protective of Carl, specifically where his dad is concerned” headcanons. Between this and PnF Save Summer, I basically headcanon Monty as Carl’s biggest fan, which really fits with this series’ tendency to have little siblings adore their elder siblings
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heloflor · 3 years
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About MML season 2
So after rambling about one season 2 episode, I now want to rant a bit. So here’s a list of reasons why I find season 2 weaker than season 1. Obviously, this post is mostly me complaining about some stuff so, if you don’t want to hear about it, don’t read.
Note that this is a personal opinion and you have every right to disagree with it. Also, the points given aren’t sorted in any particular order of importance.
For those who don’t want to read the post (because you don’t have time/aren’t really interested/ can’t stay focused for too long etc) or if you only want to see certain points, here’s a list of what I will discuss here :
- Murphy’s Law seems weakened
- Dakota and Cavendish are like looney toons characters and more time is spent on them getting hurt rather than on their interactions with each other, which makes their plot boring
- Compared to most Dwampyverse couples, Zack and Melissa have no development
- Doofenshmirtz is annoying but does have his few moments
- A few jokes take too much time; in particular, “Cavendish Unleashed” makes me straight-up angry because of that
- They wanted to make a plot for Zack but it goes nowhere
- other smaller things like the lack of time spent on the school characters
Now, onto the longer version (very long post ahead) :
1. Less Murphy’s law
So in season 1, Murphy’s law was a main focus for the story, in the sense that it was pretty strong. Most episodes had stuff blowing up or getting destroyed. And often, you end up thinking that people got hurt by such mess. Take episodes like “Worked Day”, “Family Vacation”, “Murphy’s Lard”, “The Little Engine that Couldn’t” or “Milo's Halloween Scream-a-Torium”, to cite some of the most extreme cases. And yes, not every episode is like that, and some are even pretty chill when it comes to Murphy’s law like “The Race” or “The Substitute”.  Also, Murphy’s law was conveniently turned off except when convenient for the story in major episodes like “Missing Milo” and “Fungus Among Us”. But overall, you really had that impression that Milo’s life was chaotic and explosive and hard to live by.
In season 2, there definitely were episodes in which Murphy’s law was strong, like for example “Freefall”, the ending of “Teacher’s Feature” and any episode with the aliens, in particular the last three episodes of the season. But for the most part, Murphy’s law mostly felt like an inconvenience rather than an actual problem. For example, you have “Walker, Runner, Screamer” in which like one problem happens or “Disco Do-Over” in which Milo very easily solves his parents’ problem. It also doesn’t help that both episodes have at least one character make a big deal out of Murphy’s law.
But aside from that, there are also episodes in which Murphy’s law doesn’t even seem to really happen. Like in “Lady Krillers”, “Spy Little Sister” (I’d argue that the lightbulb accident would have happened regardless of Milo’s presence) or even “Cake ‘splosion” in which Murphy’s law is there but overall it feels more like Milo overcoming the show��s obstacles.
So yeah, Murphy’s law is still present but at the same time it doesn’t feel as strong as the first season. And while it does give more time for Milo and co to have some character development I guess, overall it just feels kind of off. And now that I think about it, this lack of a mess in the A plot in a show that’s meant to be chaotic might be the root for my next complain.
2. Dakota and Cavendish are too cartoony
 So in season 1, the B plot was my absolute favorite thing in the show. I couldn’t and still can’t get enough of these two idiots and how they play off of each other. But in season 2…let’s just say that I barely watch their plot during the first half of the season, and the reason is simple : Cavendish and Dakota are a joke in this first half. Their plot is all about them trying to get something and stupidly get hurt by it, and it just feels boring.
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not against these two getting hurt. After all, they failed basically all their missions in season 1 and looked dumb while doing so. But the thing is : 1. In season 1, it was mostly because of Murphy’s law so it wasn’t always their fault and 2. The main thing about them in season 1 was their interactions. The most interesting thing about them has always been how they act with each other, at least in my opinion. Heck, my favorite B plot (not episode but B plot) is from “Abducting Murphy’s Law”, an episode in which all Dakota and Cavendish do is talk to each other in different places. It’s just two guys talking, and yet I absolutely love this plot.
So yeah, you don’t need to make Dakota and Cavendish be incompetent idiots for them to be great, you just need to make them interact with each other. That’s also why, out of all their “collecting trash” plots, my favorite is in “Lady Krillers”, because I love the first half with Cavendish complaining while Dakota is being baby while listening to music + their dumb argument over moving the bag and then Cavendish getting scared and Dakota immediately getting protective. This is fun ! This is cute ! This is very dumb and I like every second of it !
On the same note, I can’t stand the B plot of “Disco Do-Over”. The idea isn’t bad and the old lady is a great one-of character, but overall the plot is just urgh for me. The only thing I like is when Cavendish says that Drusselstein sounds made up (I guess Professor Time never wrote an autobiography) and Dakota starts listing made-up words, only to end up smiling at Cav while saying his name slowly in a borderline flirty way, as if he enjoyed every syllable of it. But thing is, I consider that, when shipping is the only thing I care about in an episode/plot, it means that it’s bad. And “Walker, Runner, Screamer” is in the same vein. I can’t stand the plot.
There are actually two things about these plots that I thing really pisses me off (the fact that these plots don’t have much of the duo playing off of each other doesn’t really pisses me of, it just makes the plot boring) :
First of, it makes Dakota seems completely incompetent. Yes I know he wasn’t a first-class agent and even in season 1 he wasn’t that athletic or anything but there was still the feeling that he knew what he was doing. He always managed to steal from Brick and Savannah or know where the duo was, he was able to save Cavendish hundreds of times and finally who knows what the Mississippi purchase was. So while he wasn’t the best, there was some competence. But in season 2, it’s more or less gone.
And for my second pet peeve : Cavendish’s mortality. In season 1, it was established that Cav had a hard time staying alive and could die from tons of different ways, including falling from great heights or getting sent through a wall by a horse. And while we do see him survive a giant rolling rock in “Murphy’s Lard”, Dakota still makes a comment asking if Cav is alive.
But is season 2, it seems like they completely forgot about this part of his character. The worse has to be in “Loot at This Ship” in which he somehow survives when messing with the ship. But earlier in the season, there’s also “Lady Krillers” in which he survives a bull attack three times ! Though, what really pisses me off with that isn’t just the fact that he survives for the sake of comedy; it’s Dakota. In this episode, Dakota has no problem just running away and letting Cavendish get attacked by the bull ! And it’s the same thing in “Disco Do-Over”. When Cav tries to sneak into the garden and gets attacked, Dakota just panics and runs away ! I swear the first time I saw this I was like “Excuse me ?!”. Because you’re telling me that Vinnie “sacrificing himself over and over again with no regrets for Cavendish” Dakota is now ditching Cav in situations he finds dangerous in order to save himself ???
I’m sorry but it pisses me off. It might just be me overreacting but seeing two characters whose main strength in the story was their banter now interacting less and getting hurt more, with one of them going against everything he did in the first season; this just angers me. And so when I watch season 2, I tend to skip most parts of the B plot (which makes me watch like 1 min of episode for “Lady Krillers” because the A plot is very meh. “Disco Do-Over” has an adorable A plot tho).
And last note about these plots, I didn’t mention “Field of Screams” and “Managing Murphy’s law” because I tend to forget about the first one that I find pretty meh (the entire episode, not just the B plot) and the second one has a B plot based on cringy humor and I’m not really into it, though I do really like hearing Jeremy getting more and more tired of Dakota and the hug at the end is such a cute and underrated Dakavendish moment. Also Dakota makes a dad joke near the beginning and I absolutely adore that.
I also didn’t mention “Freefall” because it’s fine. Dakota is being Dakota (and I adore this dork), we start to see Cav get genuinely angry about his job which sets the root for the second half of the season, there’s one scene in which the two are clearly very bored and for some reason it makes me laugh, and the action scene is fine (also damn Cavendish knows how to fly a plane !). But I find “Freefall” to be a good episode in general so yeah.
3. Zack and Melissa
 First thing first : I have nothing against the ship itself. I’m not a big shipper when it comes to child/teens characters but I completely understand why people ship them, and I agree that they have personalities that mix well together. And honestly, this point is probably my most minor complain.
That being said, I do believe that their relationship has basically no development. Or at least, if you compare them to other couples in the Dwampyverse. Because thing is, Dwampy tend to have pretty high standards when it comes to couples. I mean, if we look at every canon couple + a few fanon (aka “here’s my need to infodump about random stuff nobody cares about”. This part will be in italics so, if you want to skip it, you can see where it ends) :
- Phineas and Isabella : since the first episode, we see that Isabella is attracted to Phineas. And throughout the entire show, these two are always willing to help the other, with Isabella always wishing to help in any way she can with the project of the day and Phineas always wanting to make the best projects when it comes to Isabella (just look at how he gets upset in her birthday episode when the finale doesn’t go according to plan). So yeah, they’re two kids in love with a very sweet friendship that you know will evolve into a relationship once they get older and understand relationships better.
- Ferb and Vanessa : Ignoring “Act your Age”, this is the usual trope of a young kid falling in love with an older person. And just like with Phina/bella, it’s made clear that Ferb likes Vanessa and is willing to do anything for her.
- Candace and Jeremy : Same kind of relationships. Candace is clearly head-over-heels for him, Jeremy often gives her presents since the beginning of the show and overall is always patient and understanding to her. It’s very sweet and it’s satisfying to see them get together and know that they will stay that way.
- Linda and Lawrence : While we don’t see much of them, it’s made clear when they’re together that they genuinely love each other. Same for their respective parents.
- Vanessa and Monty : A very organic relationship. It’s two teens who find each other attractive and, after randomly finding each other in the same place, decide to talk and learn more about each other, eventually deciding to start dating. It’s pretty sweet.
- Sara and Neal : These two are just fucking adorable ! They’re two awkward nerds in love and the episode when they get together really plays onto this and it’s the most adorable thing. And while we don’t see much of them, at the beginning of “Love Toboggan”, it’s made clear that the two have seen each other enough for their respective families to know that they like each other.
- Amanda and Milo : Another duo of cuties. The idea of a relationship between them is hinted very early, in “Smooth Opera-tor” in which we see that Milo likes her. And throughout the show, we see them getting closer as Amanda learns to accept Murphy’s law and becomes a genuine friend to Milo. We also see that Milo really likes her and is always willing to help her in any way he can.
- Brigette and Martin : Probably the most underrated characters of the show. I simply adore these two ! They’re just really wholesome people, especially Brigette. She knew full well what she was getting into when she decided to marry into the Murphy family and it’s clear that she doesn’t have a single regret. Like the Flynn-Fletcher parents, they aren’t around that much but when they do you can tell they love each other.
And for some fanon ships :
- Buford and Baljeet : Basically an enemy to friends to lover trope. They start off as bully and nerd but, the more time they spend with Phineas and co, the more Buford shows off his sensitive side and learns more to respect Baljeet’s boundaries while Baljeet learns to stand up for himself. And by the end of the show, the two are genuinely close. Heck, even in “Act Your Age”, despite the canon ships, there’s one scene in which the guys tell Phineas that “guys don’t talk about their feelings”. After they say that, there’s an awkward silence and at the end of it you can see Buford and Baljeet look at each other before looking away with a sad expression, as if they did have feelings for each other but never talked about it because of the “boys don’t talk feelings” thing (which, in real life, is complete bullshit. Let men be emotive, dammit !). But yeah, these two have a friendship that grows over the show and is sometimes teased as if something else was going on there.
- Heinz and Perry : Fun fact : when I became an adult and started getting back into the show, I couldn’t help but laugh as I started to ship it because this is such a crackship on paper ! Also, everything related to Peter the Panda, especially “Time Out” and “Lost in Danville” is fucking hilarious because of how ridiculous it is. I love the Dwampyverse ! (and I just realized that I didn’t talk about the humans/objects canon couples but given that only one person can evolve in these relationships…yeah)
But looking at the show and the books, yeah, these two are like two people thrown into an arranged marriage and having to figure everything out. Even if they start off as enemies, they eventually get accustomed to each other, to the point of being each other’s most important person. We really feel it in season 4. In a lot of ways, these two are a lot like Buford and Baljeet (which a lot of people had already pointed out).
- Candace and Vanessa : This one is mostly based on how much Candace admires Vanessa in “Night of the Living Pharmacist” and honestly, it’s pretty alright. I can definitely see why people ship it as there’s definitely some material there and there with Candace trying to impress Vanessa and look cool in front of her.
- Cavendish and Dakota : Act like an old married couple 24/7 ; often have physical contact and never react to it, showing that it’s normal to them and that they’re very comfortable with each other, almost to the point of having no notion of personal space when it comes to each other ; call each other “partners” most of the time ; have known each other for at least 10 years given Cavendish’s change in appearance from “First Impressions” to ‘now’ ; have to share a room most of the time due to their work ; are compared to Perry and Heinz, aka Dan’s favorite fan ship (or at least it seems to be) ; would die for each other and are willing to do anything to keep their relationship going, including stopping a “break up” (Dakota’s words). What else is there to say ?
  So looking at all these relationships, including the fanon ones, it’s pretty clear that Dan and Swampy like to give out tons of shipping material. But Zack and Melissa ? They act like friends for most of the show. In season 1, the only episode that’s really shippy is “The Math Book” with how they play off of each other.
The saddest part with this relationship for the shippers is that in the PnF crossover, we start to get hints that they might be a couple, only for them to keep the exact same dynamic as season one up until the very last episode of season 2 in which suddenly they act like a couple most of the time. And before you point out “Escape”, it’s probably just me but the way Melissa tells Milo to hurry because “It starts to seem like a date”, followed by Zack saying “You wish” in such a neutral tone gives off the impression that they don’t want it to be a date. So yeah, by the end of the day, it feels like they only got together because 1. Disney likes straight people and 2. They’re the hero’s best friends.
Seriously, on youtube, there’s a video that’s a Zalis//sa compilation, and not only is the video only 6 minutes long, but most of these moments could come off as two friends acting like two friends. And for the video length : reminder that there’s a Milan//da video from the same person that’s 17 minutes long, Amanda being a character that appears like ten times less than Zack and Melissa; and there are also two Daka//vendish videos, both 10 minutes long each, and they barely cover like 1/3 of the episodes the duo show up in. Seriously, a fanon ship has a hundred more shipping material than a canon ship ! Honestly, Zalis//sa shippers were robbed.
I think the only other ship that has that little development (and by that I mean way less development) among major characters is the one between Baljeet and Ginger. Honestly for this ship : Ginger shows that she’s interested and it’s taken as a joke in season 1; in the bees episode, Ginger listens to Baljeet and, while Baljeet is happy that she’s listening, he’s mostly happy that someone is listening, regardless of who it is. Then we see them dance a few times in the background, including in a Halloween episode in which Buford and Baljeet were sharing a costume and, as Baljeet and Ginger start to dance, we have a shot of Buford not looking happy about this. And yet somehow they became a canon couple.
With this forced ship, I tend to accuse Disney being homophobic and refusing Buford and Baljeet to be both single at the end of the show (seriously Disney seems to be so homophobic that they allowed couples between humans and objects but refused any gay couple. At least they seem to have started to be more accepting with recent shows from what I’ve seen).
4. Heinz Doofenshmirtz
So I know it’s been talked about but it’s still a major point in this season so I have to talk about it. So : in Phineas and Ferb, Heinz is a motivated inventor who was able to make inators that worked, though his poor planning and some of his ideas often got the best of him. But overall, he was just a nice guy with a certain genius and who was trying to cope with his childhood trauma in the only ways he knew. He’s also one of the best fathers in all of animation, especially given how much baggage he has, but that’s not the topic here.
Then, when Dwampy made “The O.W.C.A. Files”, they decided to change Heinz’s personality. Suddenly, he was a complete klutz who’s can’t do anything right and just pisses people off. And when they made MML, they kept this personality trait. It also doesn’t help that quite a lot of focus is put on him, which renders him even more annoying. I won’t develop much on his flaws because, again, others already did before. Instead, since so many people already talked about what was wrong with Doof in this show, I actually want to talk about the good moments that Heinz has in MML.
So, to cite a few : First off, the PnF crossover. Yes he does mess up his time machine with orange juice but that’s like his only mistake. Overall, he’s seen to be a great inventor who quickly understands the Pistachions’ weakness after spilling juice on a plant and immediately creates a plan around it. And speaking of which, I also really like how, when he meets the group at the beginning and is told to be a hero, he asks “What do you base your assumption on ?” (not a direct quote), which really shows that yes, he’s a scientist who thinks like one.
The moments where he butts head with Cavendish are also pretty good, especially with how what he says is only the truth : he’s not Professor Time, he’s just some random inventor, and Cavendish feeling so much deception is his own fault for idolizing someone. Thinking about it, it might actually be the only moments in the show in which he’s seen as more mature than another major character.
And overall, he’s just his PnF self in this episode. Like, there’s also how he talks to Diogee and, later, when Milo puts some pressure on him by reminding him of the stakes, he goes “I’m going to go back to talk to the dog”.
As for some other good appearances : “Spy Little Sister” has Heinz show up for a very little and it really works with making him a lot like how he was in PnF (honestly the lightbulb accident seems like something he’ll do in PnF. Heck, in the first part of the episode, he reminds me of how he is in “Doof 101”, episode in which the problems are caused by the annoying bugs and not him).
“Disco Do-Over” does a clever use of the “I am a superstar” video, though Heinz is a bit obnoxious in this episode.
The season 2 finale has Heinz once again act like a scientist when he asks the Octalian about shape-shifting.
Finally, I really like the friendship between him and Dakota. The two are definitely bad for each other and that’s what makes their interactions interesting. Though, I would have loved to see some time spent on pointing out the fact that Dakota grew up seeing Heinz as a hero. And on that same note, I would have loved to see a bit more of Cavendish interacting with Heinz, especially after Heinz and Dakota became “friends” (the last episodes give off the feeling that now that they made up with their respective partner, they aren’t going to hang out with each other).
So yeah, Heinz does have his moments in which he works pretty well. But most of these moments are in episodes in which he’s a minor character. When the show starts to focus more on him, he’s just annoying and immature, which is really sad given how great he was in PnF.
5. The humor
 Now it’s time to get the claws out. Seriously, this part was meant to be short but I can tell from what my brain has in mind that I’m going to give a long rant. To be honest this wasn’t even really supposed to be a big thing to point out, like I could’ve put this at the end with the other “minor complains”. But one thing pisses me off so it’s now its own part.
So to make things clear first : when I talk about the humor, I’m talking about one kind of joke that the show has done since season 1 but that feels off in season 2. I’m talking about the jokes that go on for a while, sometimes too long; especially too long in season 2.
I think a good example of a long joke made right is in “Party of Peril”, when we have to watch Elliot get attacked by a duck for like 50 seconds. It’s a joke that probably goes on for too long but let’s be honest it’s hilarious, along with creating the recurring joke of ducks hating Elliot.
In season 2, they kept trying to make these kinds of jokes there and there; but for some reason it doesn’t really work. I have two examples : the first one is in “Teacher’s Feature” in which we spend 20 seconds on Scott dancing in a cringy way while the kids comment on it. And I swear as I’m writing that I’m considering checking the length because it feels like 40 seconds, not 20, and that’s the problem. Watching the scene, they could have easily cut out 5 seconds of him dancing with music to go directly to the part where there’s no music but he keeps going. Seriously. They definitely could have made this joke shorter.
But the worst to me, the absolute worst, is in “Cavendish Unleashed”. OOOH BOY the fucking waste they did there.
So in this episode, there’s a joke that plays out 3 times, two times the same way and a third time with a slight difference. The joke is about people wanting to sign a paper to destroy then protect the forest, only to get crushed by the alien and being unable to use their hand. To put it simply, this joke is boring. It doesn’t even feel like a joke ! It’s just 15 then another 15 and then a whole 20 seconds (more or less) wasted on this shit. And I swear I also want to go check the length because I remember that when I first saw the episode, the third joke felt like it went on for two minutes. It’s not fun, it’s just boring.
But what’s the problem with that ? Simple : the ending of the episode. At the end of the episode, Cavendish talks with the main trio, learns that Milo was the abductee and then tells the teens to leave. And they just leave, asking no questions whatsoever. Like hello ???? Cavendish has been missing for days, maybe weeks ??? Dakota is desperate to find him ??? Haven’t Dakota told the kids that Cavendish was missing ??? Hadn’t they noticed during “Cast Party” and even before or after that Dakota wasn’t with Cavendish anymore ??? WHY IS NOBODY ASKING QUESTIONS ???? Why didn’t the kids go like “Oh yeah, we saw Cavendish today” to Dakota ??? Why waiting DAYS before telling him ??? Hell, in “Escape”, he talks about finding Cavendish like the kids knew ! So what the hell was that all about ?!
Seriously. Would it have been too hard to remove that dumb recurring joke and instead have an angsty scene in which Milo points out that Cavendish is considered missing, only for Cav to feel bad about it, making us feel for him, and then tell the kids that he’s doing what he believes is for the best and then ask them to keep it a secret from Dakota ? How come the only time we see Cav feel bad about leaving is in a fan animation ?
This seriously pisses me off. The whole arc about Cavendish going rogue could have been one of my favorites. We could’ve seen him struggle to live, think about what he’s doing and why, feel homesick or missing Dakota and the others. Hell, he’s been stuck alone and conscious in an ice cube for who knows how long, so why did he never take the time to reflect during that time ? And yes he was conscious. When he gets trapped, his eyes move and when he’s saved, he’s able to protect his face the very moment the ice break, showing that he was well-aware of Dakota breaking the cube.
But no. Instead, this arc spends like 30% of its screen time on Cavendish doing a Candace-like joke about trying to show the ship and 70% of the screen-time on Dakota sulking. And in the last episode, there’s a scene in which Cav complains about Octalia, only to be remembered that he can save the planet; and then he goes on a rant about how he’s going to be the hero of Octalia, showing that he didn’t learn a fucking thing from his arc.
This pisses me off. This really pisses me off. No wonder I wrote like 5 oneshots around that arc. I need to get that “Cavendish is struggling” angst juice one way or another.
And speaking of bad arcs…
6. Zack’s plot
 So in the first episode of the season (not counting the crossover), the characters talk about how Zack is a coward who tries to get over his fears. Ok so first question : since when is Zack considered a coward ? I mean, he’s very cautious when it comes to Murphy’s law, yes, but being cautious is not the same as being a coward. Besides, Murphy’s law is dangerous. And for most of the episodes, his reactions are the same as Melissa and Milo, when Milo gets scared. As for his fear of fish, anyone can have these kinds of irrational fears. Also there’s the Halloween episode in which it’s made clear that he doesn’t have much fears aside from the fear of dying from the unpredictable, hence his usual resentment with Murphy’s law.
It’s also worth mentioning that MML follows the trope of having a group with two guys and one girl; with one guy being the main character, the girl being the smart one and the second guy being the coward or the forgettable one in certain shows. I think this might be one of the reasons why there’s this idea that Zack is a coward.
But aside from the fact that, in my personal opinion, this plot comes out of nowhere, there’s also the problem that we barely see it at all. I mean, in “Snow Way out”, it’s put into the story. Then they completely forget about it and Zack goes back to act chill and cautious until “Freefall” whose entire plot revolves around Zack being fearful (again, rightfully fearful given the situation). Then it’s dropped again until “The Mid-Afternoon Snack Club” with the idea that Zack feels overshadowed by Milo (which, honestly, sounds like a more interesting arc than the whole fear thing). And finally, it’s dropped yet again until the very last episode in which they keep insisting that he has no fear anymore.
Seriously, am I the only one seeing this ? Or am I just bad at noticing the character growth ?
7. Smaller pet peeves
 So that last point is a list of small things that bother me in this season but that I don’t see myself write 10 paragraphs about :
- Most of the supporting cast needed more screentime. Seriously, characters like Neal and Veronica basically don’t exist this season, Sara also has a much more minor role, Bradley desperately needs some kind of character arc, most of the school characters and staff are also pretty absent (we miss you Drako !), Brick and Savannah only appear twice, once being a cameo in front of a pistachio cart,  and I’m sure there’s more that I forgot.
- A very personal opinion so it’s not really a pet peeve but time travel was much more interesting than aliens, though the plots were pretty similar with the people involved trying to get to Milo, only for Murphy’s law to occur and ruin their plan. Also, while I really like the captain/leader, the two guys sent to capture Milo are your usual comedic duo, like the two small devils in Disney’s Hercules (I don’t know their name in English, I only know that they’re named “Peur” and “Panique” in French).
And fun fact, “Spy Little Sister” is probably my favorite episode of the season, and while watching it, I really had a feeling of “god I missed that” when time-travel occurred. Though, I’ll admit, the aliens plot does a much better job using Murphy’s law, not only with the aliens failing constantly because of it but also especially in the finale with each character having their own backpack to “fight against it”.
- Bob Block. There was some potential with that character (*cough* villain *cough*). Though, I won’t develop here because I already did at the beginning of another post.
- The episode “Game Night” is weird to me. Like, it’s not a bad episode, on the contrary it’s a great one, but at the same time I find myself not liking it. I think the main problem is that it should’ve been a season 1 episode due to the whole thing with the deadly vortex and how Cavendish and Dakota somehow knew what it was. Also I feel like there’s a waste of characters. I mean, we get the Murphy parents, Neal and Cav and Dakota and yet it feels like the episode is mostly focused on the main trio + Sara. Also Veronica was robbed. They could have easily removed the whole vortex thing, hence removing Cavendish and Dakota from the story, and have Veronica with the group instead. Look I love the two time-travelling idiots but other characters deserve some spotlight too.
Besides, thinking about it, it’s a bit sad that Cavendish and Dakota don’t really interact with the others when they’re on screen. There’s like 5 people in the room and yet we either see them talk to each other or to the group in general (though to be honest this disconnect between characters even when they’re in the same room is also in the crossover and the season 2 finale).
So yeah, this episode is weird. It has tons of elements that should make me love it (the Murphy parents; Neal; Melissa being Melissa; Dakota being Dakota; some Daka//vendish, including a 3 seconds argument that has some of the biggest “old married couple” energy we’ve seen in this show; Milo and Sara being overly dramatic babies; the Veronica cameo). And yet, I somehow can’t find myself really liking it. It’s weird.
  So, overall, it was still a pretty good and solid season. Most episodes were pretty fun and enjoyable. But they were still a lot of small issues that, in my opinion, makes season 1 much better; and when I decide to watch random moments of the show or watch full episodes, I tend to mostly pick in that first season.
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transperry · 4 years
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fun fact i colored his eyes different colors and it’s hidden under his lens. true to canon because dwampy isn’t here to tell me no
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How old do you think Phineas and Ferb and the kids are if their ages aren't *quite* canon in the show?
I reckon that both phineas and isabella turn 10 or 11 on their birthdays in the show just based on how they act in the first season? also on the top trumps game it says phineas is 9 so I think it’s a good number to go with. I have a headcanon of ferb being in the year above (even though dwampy said p+f are the same age) and baljeet being pushed up a grade so he’s with the rest of the kids seems fun to think about
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themurphyzone · 4 years
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You know what’s weird? The 104 days of summer I can accept easily without batting an eye, because the thing that confuses me more is the post summer timeline where Heinz joins OWCA, Heinz teaches science at the local high school, and Heinz living with the Murphy family.
Which one is the true canon, Dwampy? 
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Ya think that's why Doofs parents loved Roger more? Because they still felt the "my little girl" vibe despite him being trans?
1) Roger being trans isn’t canon (AKA confirmed either in the show or explicitly by Dwampy), so it’s impossible to extrapolate any justifications related to their parents loving him more in that context. Although, I do personally find the idea of him being trans reasonable since in “Gaming the System” Doof says that their parents were expecting a baby girl and that “Unfortunately, the baby turned out to be a boy,” which leaves a bit of wiggle room in terms of when exactly that “[turning] out” was. Additionally, Doof is able to fit into the hand-me-up dresses despite being bigger than a baby and the scene that shows him wearing them “for an entire year” switches him to his Older Child character model that gets used in “Thaddeus and Thor” where Roger is simultaneously a young child–the giant pile of dresses that their mother knitted seemed to have varying sizes and it isn’t specified that the year was directly after Roger’s birth, so it’s conceivable that Doof not only wore the dresses after his growth spurt since “[they] were out of material,” but also that Roger decided that dresses weren’t for him.
2) If their parents loved him more for being “their little girl” even after he’d transitioned that’d be pretty messed up/invalidating for him, and I don’t think they’d ever do anything that would make their favorite child less than happy. That being said, in-show they strictly refer to/treat him as their son: 
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3) I personally think that, regardless of gender, any sibling of Doof’s would be loved more by their parents simply because of Doof’s unlucky (unstinkelkrampen-y?) status as the universe’s chew toy.
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sometimes i wonder if either dan or swampy are on the spectrum from just how autistic their characters are. i dont speculate too much bc its not my business but one time i was reading dan povenmire's wikipedia page and it said he was a former "child prodigy" which just happens with a lot of autistic kids who are really dedicated to a specific interest (in his case, drawing). i just think abt it sometimes
i try not to speculate too much bc like you said thats a real person... its not really my place to put assumptions like that on someone else
the thing is however i think is that it doesn’t even matter ! a lot of autistic ppl connect with dwampy’s work and their characters in both pnf/mml and i think regardless of whether or not the creators are on the spectrum or if they intended that sort of coding its very special. obviously it would be nice to have a canon-confirmed autistic character who got to be a protagonist like milo, who the audience is supposed to connect with and love and is shown as being just fine the way that he is, or to know that there r autistic creators out there making things that reflect themselves and other autistic ppl.... i think the nature of things is that content creators make great autistic characters all the time, whether they know that or intend to or not. and the great thing abt fiction is that you can appreciate it and interpret and connect with it in a way that is special to you-- and obviously ppl who r on the spectrum or have other developmental disorders like adhd are the best at that sort of thing, its really not so surprising how some of the best, most zanny and fun works and characters come off as so relatable to us !
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So i noticed that you tagged irving as Irving Du Bois, was that said in the show, and is there any known relation between him and the Du Bois Landscape artists?
Irving's surname was confirmed by Swampy on Twitter, 
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and there is no known relationship between him and the Du Bois Landscape Artists!
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perry-the-deer · 4 years
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I’ve mostly located danville kids!
ok so
Murphy family vacation episode they're going to arizona and pass the colorado state line to drop off milo (which doesn’t work but that’s not the point).
and its only been a day that the murphys have been driving (supposedly, using the fact that pnf and mml both normally show if night has gone by during songs or montages) so via that knowledge im thinking the murphys are somewhere in wyoming, nebraska, kansas, or oklahoma, or in colorado itself!
but they also pass this sign 
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putting them approximately on the state line between New Mexico and Colorado, which by the way, WORST way to get to the grand canyon, but i digress.
That would mean the murphys have been supposedly heading straight down, and perhaps a bit to the south-west. so that puts them in Wyoming.
With that being said, Danville is also close to seattle, washington, and also within a days drive from mount rushmore, south dakota. Which supports my theory of the city being in Wyoming.
Although it being in the ‘tri state area’ cancels it out a little, that map straight up looks like california is gone so who knows if the tri-state area is where it’s supposed to be or if it really exists at all in their universe or if Danville has it’s own little tristate area.
They also state that they are near the atlantic ocean, though. if they are in wyoming, i don’t know how that would be unless the characters are mistaking yellowstone lake for an ocean (which i wouldn’t doubt, considering its a children-majority cast.)
Also the closest match to somewhere like drusselstein i could find geography wise is right about 
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here. (russia), which even if i were to perhaps bend the earth to catapult myself between america and this place, it would presumably work, bouncing you to around the middle of america, though slightly to the left perhaps, which would land you around wyoming.
anyway in this post we learnt that danvilles probably in wyoming or atleast whatever the wyoming equivalent in their world is and also dwampy are two little assholes that say theyre near the atlantic ocean than canonically place them close to seattle, mt rushmore, and the center of the USA
also thank u to some of the people from @shima-draws​‘ server for helping me out and letting me ramble abt this. have fun with this info kids
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Just some gentle neck nibbles for these two dorks.
C’moooon, Dwampy! Please give us definitive proof these two are canonically together before season 2 ends. Even some wedding rings on their future selves would be nice.
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Can I ask what is your: Otp, brotp and notp from MML?
You can, indeed! Sorry that this turned into a Wall-’o-Text, ‘Nonnie. I haven’t thought about this in-depth before, and I got a teeny bit carried away! 😅
TL;DR:
OTP A: Dakavendish (Also a BROTP!)
OTP B: Milanda
OTP C: Drakotts
BROTP A: Zack ‘n Melissa
BROTP B: Mort ‘n Bradley
NOTP: Uh… Vinnie ‘n Brick, I guess?
OTP A: I’m an absolute sucker for Dakavendish. What can I say? They’re good characters that play off each other really well, and I like that they have a complicated relationship that’s not all sunshine and roses. Still, they can really bring out the best in each other; Dakota encourages Cav to let loose and be more accepting of life, while Cav can coax Dakota into being a more productive and driven person. Excellent banter is also a big plus!
At the same time, I also love Dakota and Cavendish as a BROTP because… well, for one, aside from any potential for romantic love that may or may not exist, there’s definitely platonic love there. Plus, they’d be hilariously awful wing-men for each other. It’d be a disaster, and I love it!
And, let’s face it guys… this is a Disney show, and Disney ain’t exactly known for their willingness to push the boundaries of what the general viewing public is comfortable with. I’m not holding my breath for canon Dakavendish, so I’m pretty okay with the BROTP dynamic as it stands.
OTP B: Milanda! Milanda is definitely my favorite toy ship of the show! Milo, obviously, doesn’t much care to deal with any more chaotic excitement than he has to on the regular, so I can see where he’s coming from when he starts crushing on the no-nonsense paragon of organization that is Amanda.
On the other side of the coin, I’ve really liked watching Amanda develop an appreciation for Milo’s ability to keep calm under pressure, and how he seems to effortlessly manage the absolute chaos that is his life. Seeing Amanda learn by his example to hit the curve-balls life throws at her, instead of losing her head and striking out? Good! Excellent! Fantastic! I love!!!
OTP C: You can blame @drakotts​ for this one, but I got totally suckered into the Scott/Drako rarepair, which is called… Drakotts. You get three guesses as to who coined the ship name, and the first two don’t count.
Why this ship? Glad you asked!
A sun-avoidant vampire (?) would totally love a sun-free, underground environment.
Scott and Drako are both eclectic as all hell, and likely far more open-minded to one another’s oddities than most other people would tend to be.
Scott may not exactly have all his cords plugged into the right sockets, but he’s obvs pretty lonely down there and is covering it up by drawing faces on objects. Regular human (?) interaction would do him good.
Dude, Chad would absolutely lose his pea-pickin’ mind over the sewer mutant / vampire alliance that’s undoubtedly going to take over Danville.
These two side characters just don’t get enough love in general.
What can I say? It’s a cute ship, dammit!
BROTP A: Zack and Melissa! Their interactions have always felt really brother-sisterly to me, y’know? They share a sense of humor and they switch places playing the straight man to one-another. Plus, as someone with plenty of their own not-blood siblings, they just really give me that vibe, y’know?
Plus, I’ll be honest, part of this is a personal bias against the ‘Pair the Spares’ trope. Why–when the protagonist gets a significant other from outside the main character group–do the remaining boy and girl a l w a y s have to end up as a couple? Not that the trope is inherently bad, it’s just so damn over-used that I’m bloody sick to death of it.
Let them be sibs from different cribs! Stop devaluing best-friendship by making it always escalate into romance, as if friendship is a just a lower rung on the relationship ladder or something! Sheesh!
(The above frustration is directed at the trope, not the ship–if you ship Zalissa, more power to you! It’s still cute, I’m just salty that it’s probably gonna end up canon because, of course it is. Very original, no-one saw that coming.)
BROTP B: Mort and Bradley are just great together, and it’s a cryin’ shame we don’t get to see ‘em interact more! We usually only get to see Mort and Chad hanging out, and they’re a fun dynamic to watch, but they’re also really alike. Bradley’s a bit of a smug jerk with jealousy and insecurity issues, and Mort is a totally chillaxed, spiritual kid with good empathy skills. They play off each other so, so well! I can smell the character development from here! Dwampy! Pls!
NOTP: Y’know… I don’t actually have any? I don’t actually dislike Zalissa enough for it to be a NOTP, it just kinda bugs me due to personal trope biases. TBH, I haven’t yet seen an MML pairing that I didn’t think ‘Yeah, okay, that’s pretty valid, I could defo see how that would work.’
For the most part, if the ship isn’t, like… obviously morally gross (ex., a person and a non-sapient animal, or an adult/child ship,) I don’t really care. Hell, I saw someone post a Mort/Milo fic on Ao3 the other day and it was really cute! I end up lowkey shipping a lot of things ‘cause of this mindset.
But, all that is kind of a cop-out answer, so… I think the closest I’ve come to a NOTP is Brick and Vinnie. I’m just really ‘meh’ on it, mostly ‘cause we’ve gotten very little canon interaction between the two, and from what we’ve seen so far, I have a hard time seeing the two as compatible at all.
I dunno, if someone writes a good fic for it I may just change my mind. (That being said, I’m really invested in ‘More Than Survive’, which does have Brick/Vinnie, but that’s one-sided and gets nixed as viable in-story, so I don’t count it.)
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