#edelgard discourse

[butwhatifidothis]

Edelstans: We love Edelgard because of her moral grayness! The people who like her "as a villain" just hate nuance and deliberately misread her character to make her simple and evil!

Edelstans:

#edelgard discourse #just to be safe #moderator of their server by the way! the same way who insists the discourse MUST go on! #they've also said infinitely worse shit about the Nabateans btw. y'know since this wasn't bad enough #the shit that flies over in their server is vile

[deathbirby]

Edelgard’s lack of interest in looking into the history of Fodlan beyond what her (dubiously reliable) father and (fantasy Nazi torture squad) TWSITD tell her is such a clear and glaring character flaw that so many of her “did nothing wrong” fans defend as Good, Actually. Like I can’t wrap my head around it, we know that there’s so much about the history of the continent that El either doesn’t or refuses to learn and while it’s understandable in some ways why she can’t it’s still like. Bad. It’s so clear that if her actual goal was liberation then she would’ve done more research, gone to the church and told them that hey, the Slitherers™️ are at it again and we need to do something. But she doesn’t, because that’s not actually her goal… it’s conquest of the other two nations and an overturning of the current system to favor her (mostly already privileged) friends, plain and simple. But people who either didn’t play any routes but CF or just didn’t pay attention/have poor media analysis skills love to say otherwise. Bluh.

I still can't get over how she was tortured and lost all her siblings to TWSITD and decided that the CHURCH was the biggest threat.

Edelgard 100% believes she is in the right and is the ONLY person who is right and thus is the ONLY person who can bring about change. And with "change" I mean "unify Fodlan and bring it under the control of the Adrestian Empire like it was in the past".

At no point does she consider that Wilhelm's history could've been tampered with, or simply been misunderstood after a whole millenia has passed. And why not? Because it's the only thing that drives her hatred for the church, and if it was disproven then she has no leg to stand on? Probably!

#grey borb #edelgard discourse #just #you have the evil mole people #responsible for everything in fodlan #WHY try to kill claude and dimitri #THEY WOULDVE BEEN ON YOUR SIDE TO DEFEAT THE EVIL GENOCIDERS #RHEA WOULDVE BEEN ON YOUR SIDE #SHE WAS ON YOUR SIDE IN THREE HOPES UNTIL YOU WERE LIKE “K TIME FOR MY WAR OF UNIFICATION” #because ULTIMATELY she doesnt just want her reforms #she wants control of all of Fodlan and push her own ideas on the rest #because she doesnt believe those countries are their own countries. #she believes they are just parts of the adrestian empire that are having a phase

[real-fire-emblem-takes]

My hot fire emblem take is that people who never do the black eagles route bc they think its evil are missing out on a shorter but very in depth look at edelgard as a hero who is balancing an empire that has over the last several decades been completely taken over by a regime that is destroying the continent from the inside with her ideals. People claim they want morally gray women but shun her because they think she's a facist when she's actually a socialist trying to convert a fascist party thats controlled her life into a tool to be used before it is irrevocably silenced

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#fe #fire emblem #edelgard discourse #edelgardiscourse #edelgard fire emblem #edelgard von hresvelg #fe16 #fe3h #fire emblem three houses #fe 3 houses #what am i witnessing #petty playground squabbles

[raxistaicho]

Like a teacher would

There are those who might wonder, "why doesn't Byleth criticize Edelgard for her indirect involvement in the destruction of Remire and the death of Jeralt," and that's a fair question. Let's ask Byleth!

Wow, it's almost like Byleth is consistently portrayed as a patient, understanding, and forgiving person! Like a teacher!

#fire emblem three houses #edelgard discourse #edelgard von hresvelg #edelgard positive #fire emblem engage #byleth eisner #emblem byleth #hortensia

[erindromeda]

I've been doing a Black Eagles run

#Fire Emblem #Fire Emblem fanart #fire emblem three houses #fire emblem three houses fanart #Edelgard #edelgard von hresvelg #female byleth #edelgard discourse #tag added upon ask request #but ultimately this is in good fun #I actually really like edelgard!

[bowbowis]

In a World for Humanity... There's No Need for Gods...

People trying to make out that CF is the bad ending because Byleth loses their godhood really need to learn about context. As Edelgard says in the very same scene, "when humanity stands strong, and people reach out for each other, there's no need for gods." Byleth's loss of divinity isn't a tragedy because because their godhood is, and always has been, redundant.

Byleth the god didn't show Edelgard she could be loved, or help Dimitri find redemption, or teach Claude to trust others; Byleth the person did. Only one person in the game reduces Byleth to their status a vessel for Sothis's power, and that's Rhea, something even she admits she was wrong for doing in her S-Support. Edelgard doesn't weep in the end of CF because she's mourning that Byleth lost the Godess's power, she weeps because she's overjoyed that the person she loves, the part of Byleth that truly matters, survived.

#fire emblem three houses #byleth eisner #edelgard von hresvelg #fe3h rhea #edelgard discourse #edelgard positive #crimson flower #fe3h

[furrylibrarian]

I’m a bit further into Crimson Flower, and I think I am starting to see why so many people love Edelgard. I’m far enough away from my initial playthroughs that I can see more than just her problematic traits.

One thing I’m curious about is her stance on nonhumans. She gave a speech (rightly) decrying the Rhea and the Church of Seiros as corrupt, and she brought up Rhea being a dragon as a point of evidence in and of itself. I wonder if she genuinely believes that nonhuman people are inherently wicked, or if that was just rhetoric being used to raise morale and sway people to her side.

Mostly it’s dredged up an old idea I had for a FE:Heroes fic where Edelgard befriends Corrin, but I don’t want to commit to another RPG right now or redownload Heroes.

#edelgard discourse #fire emblem three houses #fire emblem

[mayhem-ensues]

I can understand how "Edelgard probably isn't dying like Lysithea is" became a commonish take since the game doesn't really dwell on it, but if you look at the actual ways the game talks about having two crests I think it's pretty clear that Edelgard probably is dying.

The argument usually goes along the lines that since they were able to experiment on the Ordelia's first, that Edelgard probably received a relatively safer version of the experiments. Leaving aside the fact that those same experiments killed or otherwise incapacitated all of Edelgard's siblings so it can't have been that safe, I think focusing on the experiments themselves is missing the point a bit.

While the experiments were brutal and certainly traumatic, it's not the methods of the experimentation but the results of the experiment that are killing Lysithea. She is specifically dying because she has two crests and the human body isn't meant to hold two crests.

Which is also why anytime a character like Hanneman or Linhardt talks about saving her life, their solution is specifically about removing one of her two crests.

So with that in mind, it doesn't really matter if Edelgard got a "safer" version of the experiments (and again, this allegedly safer experiment still killed 10 of the 11 people it was performed on), because the end result of the experiments is responsible for the shortened lifespan.

And like, even aside from that you do have the Edelgard/Lysithea paired ending which specifically talks about reclaiming the years that were stolen from them, so, y'know that seems pretty clear at least.

Again, can't blame anyone for having this take because the game doesn't really talk about Edelgard's mortality. It's one of the rare cases where the game actually trusts the player to put two and two together, but I think in this instance it would probably have been smarter to explicitly address it.

#edelgard von hresvelg #lysithea von ordelia #fire emblem #few3h #fire emblem three houses #fire emblem warriors three hopes #edelgard discourse

[faroreswinds]

I'm amazed that even after 3+ years we're still having people refusing to admit that the Ladle and by extension the Empire are the antagonists. She's not a mustache twirling villain like the Slithers are, but she's still doing and causing bad things. Like even if the game gives her a hefty amount of sympathy, it shouldn't be hard to deduce that conquering two countries over misguided information and revanchist nationalism and trying to extinct a race that had already suffered a genocide while spewing out racist rhetoric are not heroic at all.

Ah, but you see, that is not what people see. They see

She is saving the other nations from the control of the Church.

She is lying to protect people from the truth right now, because the truth would be too much for them to handle

There is no nationalism!

She doesn't actually want to kill Nabateans. She even spares Seteth and Flayn, and offers mercy to Rhea! See? She's not trying to kill anyone!

Etc.

As such, it becomes much easier to defend her unilateral grab of power and dictatorship.

#anon asks #Three Houses discourse #edelgard discourse

[juliakeyoto]

You ever just “muh divine right of kings”

#edelgard discourse #dimitri alexandre blaiddyd #fe3h #edelgard positive

[butwhatifidothis]

It really is strange how Edelstans simultaneously dig hard into people that don't agree with their specific interpretation of 3H to the point of being happy they manage to drive those people away... and be so upset and baffled that people become generally disinterested/actively hostile towards 3H content.

If folks get repeatedly driven out of a fandom, and that group of people repeatedly calls anyone who disagrees with their specific interpretation of 3H stupid/illiterate/"acting in bad faith"/sexist/racist/homophobic/etc., and it is repeatedly done by a group of people who insist that 3H's fandom problem is a "both sides" thing, with all of this being dragged into spaces that have nothing to do with 3H, well... obviously people are then going to start to dislike interacting with either 3H in general or its fandom in particular?

Edelstans are the ones spreading the idea that 3H's fandom in totality is shit. They keep trying to make their hands look cleaner than they are by claiming that everyone else's hands are just dirty as/even dirtier than theirs. Of course people who are unaware of everything are going to then assume that everyone's hands are dirty, thus making people not exactly want to shake hands with anyone.

Like, really now. What did they think was going to happen when they directly go after fanartists/fanfic writers who create/say things that go against the Approved Edelstan Status Quo, to the point that a non-zero amount of these creators just up and leave social media entirely? Or after they nitpick every single Disapproved Post and then lie about the post's OP? Or after it becomes a consistent pattern that people who even remotely disagree with Edelstans' opinions are always, without fail, buried with insulting and harassing anons? Or after they're shown time and time again to defend their worst actors with "well their/our victims deserved it because they said a 3H opinion we didn't agree with"? Or when they say that everyone does this shit in 3H's fandom except for them (which is either not believed because it's demonstrably untrue or is actually believed and now those people think the overwhelming majority of 3H's fandom is filled with shit)? Or when they drag 3H discourse into literally actually everything no matter how unrelated?

That with less fandom creators within the fandom space they'd get more content? That harassing and insulting people and accusing them of being this-and-that bigot is going to magically "correct" their minds into seeing The One Truth about 3H? That people are going to just look over all the shit they did just because they allocate the blame of their action on all of 3H's fandom? That people would like 3H more if they constantly remind people of the inarguable worst thing to come from 3H? That this would help 3H's general perception?

Fuckin' no, of course that's just going to make everyone fuck off from 3H. And would you look at that, a shit ton of people have fucked off from 3H since everything has been swept under a "well it'sth a bolth thides ithue tho what can ya do?" rug. And it's been swept under that rug by pretty much the only people who are pulling this shit, who then get shocked - utterly gobsmacked! - that that made them look bad too. That crying "both sides!" included themselves too and not just the people they've been harassing. That saying that the entire fandom is bad everywhere made the entire fandom look bad everywhere.

If Edelstans are really so upset that no one talks about 3H positively anymore, then maybe they should stop being the reason no one likes 3H anymore. Just a thought

#edelgard discourse #just to be safe #like I'm sorry the other parts of the fandom are of course not perfect and should ALSO be called out when they pull shit #but NO ONE is as bad as Edelstans as a group (in 3H's fandom). like. objectively #I say this as someone who is ALSO sad to see 3H become such a heated topic: #it's honestly annoying as hell to see them bitch and moan about how nobody seems to want to talk about 3H anymore #cuz like I'm sorry you do NOT get to whine about people leaving your house after you forcefully pushed them out #like this is obviously what YOU wanted!! a fandom space that is bereft of anyone you disagree with!! #if that means that the fandom is way more empty of new art maybe that says something about YOU and the people YOU wanted to be around you #maybe no one likes y'all because y'all are insufferable and not because y'all like a certain set of pixels and lines on a screen. perhaps #''they hate us because we like Edelgard'' actually it's the harassment and open sexism and victim-blaming and superiority + victim complexe #the entitlement the refusal to ever admit you're wrong about literally anything the dogpiling #the never-ending need to remind people of discourse they want to move away from #and about a million other fuckin' things #simply stop being the problem you're complaining about

[deathbirby]

I saw someone say that Edelgard started a war out of empathy

aint no way

#edelgard discourse #how #why #EMPATHY?

[real-fire-emblem-takes]

Three Hopes is a Good Game. It gave us maps with territory outlines and more character interactions and Dimitri with a ponytail and Edelgard without cinnamon roll hair and Claude with trauma and Shez's empty little head and it gave us Holst and empire dads!

I see so many people complain about it and say how it doesn't exist to them for being out of character, but I really do think it's a Good Game

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#fe #fire emblem #fire emblem warriors three hopes #fire emblem three hopes #fe16 #fe3h #fire emblem three houses #shez fire emblem #claude von riegan #dimitri alexandre blaiddyd #edelgard discourse

[raxistaicho]

Red and White

Volossya, a very good friend of mine, pointed this one out!

Red and white are a coloration pair that comes up fairly often in regards to the Church of Seiros; they're the main colors of soldiers belonging to it. But they're also the main colors of both Edelgard and Seiros!

In this, we can see that both are so starkly dominated by a single color it can only be the case that they very deliberately tried to present that image. For Edelgard, a bloody red, and Rhea, a pure as snow white, with the insides of their cape featuring the opposite color.

However, when you consider how Edelgard pointedly wears demonic ram horns, the outfits seem to tell a different story.

Edelgard believes future generations will see her a bloody revolutionary at best, and she dresses the part, but in truth she's a sensitive romantic who wants to create a better world.

Rhea presents the image of a motherly and benevolent holy woman, but the reality is she's short-tempered, stubborn, and always wants things to be done her way, even with Seteth.

Edelgard's outfit portrays a bloody exterior that hides an internal purity, while Rhea's portrays a pure exterior that hides a bloody interior!

#fire emblem three houses #edelgard discourse #edelgard positive #edelgard von hresvelg #rhea discourse #rhea

[quitekingly]

Edelgard is very cool despite being so wrong 😭🙏

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[bowbowis]

Wait! Not Like That!

It's rather telling that people who complained about Edelgard not trying to talk to Dimitri and Claude in Houses get upset about her winning Claude over by talking in Hopes.

It seems many of them weren't actually interested in seeing Edelgard try to advance her aims diplomatically and just wanted (and expected) Dimitri and Claude to convince her that an oppressive feudal theocracy isn't worth rebelling against. They certainly weren't expecting Edelgard to get one of the boys on her side instead.

Turns out even the magic of mansplaining isn't enough to overcome a well made case.

#fire emblem three houses #edelgard von hresvelg #edelgard discourse #fe3h #edelgard positive #dimitri alexandre blaiddyd #claude von riegan #fire emblem warriors three hopes