#elia deserved better

[katshuya]

Rhaegar x lyanna's 'romance', is not the type of romance you want it for anyone. It's disturbing. It's selfishly cruel. No matter what stupid self-insert shippers say. It's not simply about a woman saying yes or no or making her own choice, and they know it, but they will keep repeating that to make it about misogyny and "you just don't want woman to have a say in who they want", in desperate attempt to have argument.

You are ignoring the whole events for your self-insert ship. It's not simply only about 'grooming' because I know a man like George will not say it's grooming. You all know how Martin is. I accepted that long ago, and that's why I don't mention grooming with these two.

And even when you ignore the grooming part, it's still extremely disgusting.

Imagine shipping yourself with a man who left for a year or more his children and wife alone when rebells were coming to them and winning and with his mad daddy whom he made go madder when he (Rhaegar) triggered the war and left people fight for him and never appeared until he was found and ordered to as his side was losing for long. Instead, he stayed to have joy in a tower he himself named joy.

His family was in danger while he was having joy.

Great romance. But I wonder if they truly got such a man in real life, would they say the same?

Whatever romance and good man means to you people....

#anti Rhaegar #game of thrones #asoiaf #anti rhaegar x lyanna #rhaegar targaryen #elia deserved better #anti r x l #elia martell #lyanna stark #anti rhaelya #anti Rhaelya fans #Grrm critical

[cowboysanddragons23]

Why the Rhaegar/Lyanna pairing is popular?

-Because it's wish-fullfillment: A handsome, mysterious and attractive bad boy is going for the plain, insecure and awkward girl who conveniently is "not like the other girls" and who can "fix" him with the power of her "love".

-They despise Elia because Elia is the embodiment of what their "beloved" pairing really is. And her presence automatically destroys their narrative (that of Rhaegar being a romantic and tragic hero, when in reality he was a narcissistic monomaniac with delusions of grandeur and a messiah complex) regardless of how you try to look at it: A story of grooming, manipulation and abuse.

-Rhaegar behaved with Lyanna like a child groomer would behave in real life: He is an older, married man taking advantage of the trust of a lonely and naive child who feels that nobody understands her and manipulates her into doing things she would never dream of doing and eventually ending up dead at 16 years old.

-While George does refer to Rhaegar as a "lovestruck prince", the fact that Elia is there George is already telling us in a subtle way that Rhaegar is both a deconstruction and a criticism of Arthurian Heroes. Rhaegar is essentially how those Arthurian Heroes would be in real life: Narcissistic, callous, self-centered and utterly lacking in both self awareness and empathy towards others.

#pro elia martell #anti rhaegar targaryen #elia deserved better #lyanna deserved better #anti rhaegar x lyanna

[princessnysar]

Princess Elia wife of Ser Jaime Lannister and her two eldest daughters Johanna and Deria Lannister heading to the tourney grounds that shall decide who shall win the title of the new princess of dragonstone

(Alternative universe) (Elia married Jaime instead of Rhaegar)

#house martell #dorne #elia martell #jaime lannister #Elia x Jaime #house lannister #Johanna Lannister #deria Lannister #Jon snow is the heir here #Elia is married to Jaime #Elia lives #aemon Targaryen #Elia deserved better

[badwriterrr]

Just two lil curious Targlings, I’m sure nothing bad will ever happen to them.

#they deserved so much better #my art #aegon vi targaryen #asoiaf #asoiaf fanart #game of thrones #rhaenys daughter of elia #young griff #rhaenys targaryen #elia martell #a song of ice and fire

[fandom-trash-goblin]

IN DEFENSE OF ELIA MARTELL

carlyle’s house and other sketches, virginia woolf // There Comes Papa, Raja Ravi Varma // Two Swords, fourth season, Game of Thrones.

for @spearsndragons

lyanna stark || elia martell || sansa stark || arya stark || alicent hightower || jaehaera targaryen || cersei lannister || myrcella baratheon || joanna lannister || aemma arryn || catelyn stark || sansa stark (2)

#forever suprised that elia martell needs a defense #elia martell #pro elia martell #dorne #elia of dorne #elia deserves better #also go check our spearsndragons please they write so beautifully #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #web weave #webweaving #webweave #game of thrones #webweaves: asoiaf #yes the painting name is deliberate

[tenthmuseondine]

𖤓 Princess Elia of Dorne and her newborn daughter, Princess Rhaenys Targaryen 𖤓

#elia martell #game of thrones #asoiaf #they deserved so much better

[hieronymph]

Had to see another post in Elia Martell tag about how Elia is a silent victim and how we don't know if she was really angry or upset with Rhaegar's infidelity.

A woman who was a Princess of a progressive kingdom which values women for being more than child incubators

Had to move to a racist court to marry a man who was delusional and who forced her to become a broodmare and got her pregnant in quick succession even after she was bedridden

Had to deal with said husband being a deadbeat father who didn't protect her and their daughter from his racist father and stayed silent

Was kept as a hostage by her racist FIL so he can blackmail and extort from her brother to send her kingdom's men to fight and die in a war that wasn't theirs

This definitely sounds like something a woman from a progressive nation, who is ridiculed and treated with distrust for her race, would be ok with. Right?

There are so many blanks in the books about so many things yet we all come up with detailed and nuanced theories to

fill those blanks.

Yet, some of yall can't fill the very simple gaps left about Elia's response to her husband's infidelity, disrespect and forced impregnation.

You operate under this belief that GRRM didn't mention that she wasn't upset so of course, she wasn't angry at Rhaegar or his actions.

Sure that is exactly the way to digest whatever content GRRM writes.

Are yall deliberately this obtuse?

Please get out of Elia Martell tags with such shit takes.

#princess elia martell #elia martell #elia martell deserved better #asoiaf #asoiafwomensource #asoiaf meta #asoiaf thoughts #anti rhaegar targaryen #princess of dorne #dorne kingdom

[spearsndragons]

I HATE IT WHEN RHAELYA FANS SAY THAT ELIA WANTED RHAEGAR TO TAKE LYANNA AS A SECOND WIFE.

UHM???? FUCK NO!

DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON THIS.

first of all, elia was the only daughter of the RULING PRINCESS OF DORNE. do people think her mother sent her off to king’s landing to be disrespected? to be humiliated? NO. she was sent there to be the next fucking queen. aside from political ambitions, the princess of dorne was canonically friends with both joanna AND rhaella. she entrusted her daughter to her friend’s son.

second, elia knew how different the rest of westeros treated their women. sure, dorne isn’t the land of equal rights and milk and honey and all that shit but she definitely enjoyed more rights and higher standing back in sunspear, especially as the daughter of house martell. she knew how precarious her status can be despite being the crown prince’s wife. what fucking good would it do to her if she allowed her husband to forcibly break a betrothal between two MAJOR houses? to basically declare to the entire world and in history forevermore that she wasn’t enough for her husband and he had to get another wife?

third, HER CHILDREN??? she gave rhaegar two healthy babies. maybe she could have given him more had she gotten proper care (no, i do not fucking trust pycelle. he’d probably been sabotaging rhaella’s and elia’s pregnancies to please tywin). rhaegar getting another wife and thus having legitimate children not hers would put aegon and rhaenys IN DANGER. sure maybe lyanna would be oh so kind enough to not contest their inheritance but do people forget the STAB alliance??? the dance???

fourth, er the mere fact that lyanna was betrothed to robert fucking baratheon? disregarding the entire shit about lya running off (or not) with a married man after shitting on robert for being a manwh0re, YOU DO NOT JUST BREAK AN ALLIANCE BETWEEN TWO MAJOR HOUSES. even if the crown had a good reason to do so (which they didn’t), it was an agreement between house stark AND house baratheon. they DO NOT get a say in it. lord, this is contract law 101. robert’s rebellion was built on a lie my ass. the rebels had every good reason to rebel bro.

I CAN GO ON FOREVER BUT ILL JUST BE MAD

#spearsndragons #elia of dorne #elia martell #dorne #elia deserves better #anti rhaegar x lyanna #house martell #robert’s rebellion was justified!

[scowlsnwhiskey]

shh he’s making a wish…

#adam jensen #elias toufexis #deus ex #deus ex mankind divided #deus ex human revolution #happy birthday my beloved and sweet soul #you deserve better

[yitzvah]

They so easily reduce her to her frailness, to her inability to give the dragon fool a third child in three years— as though his sister was a mere broodmare. Nay, she was Elia Nymeros Martell, Princess of Dorne, the furture queen, the sharpest woman he'd ever known. She wielded her kindness like a poisoned dagger, and rare was the man who could persevere in the face of her sharp wit.

#elia martell #pro elia martell #elia martell deserved better #asoiaf #rhaegar targaryen #rhaegar x elia #dorne #aesthetic #asoiaf aesthetic #asoiaf moodboard #political elia au #and we shall be dangerous

[katshuya]

Rhaegar's wife, who had delicate health, gave him two children. One caused her to be bedridden for half a year and another that he impregnated her with during her recovery or, immediately after and almost killed her, deserved that crown.

Yes she deserved it more than Lyanna Stark who braverly defended her father's bannerman yet impulsively and naively when there was a well known mad king watching and entered as a mystery knight that grabbed everyone's curiosity for being unknown.

Elia Martell, who endured Rhaegar, his prophecy, racist people, and their opinion about how unworthy she was for him AND his racist, mad cruel father desrved respect as well as that crown.

Yet she was gifted with humiliation one after another after all that she sacrificed.

This will trigger many. But that crown was Elia's right after all the hell this strong woman had been through. Not Lyanna's. Yet, in the narrative, it is all about Lyanna and the winter rose.

Rhaegar only endangered Lyanna, and even if Aerys and Lyanna's family and betrothed weren't there, it was still Elia's right.

Honoring Lyanna could have been done more respectfully and wiser, yet it was extremely dumb and cruel.

Yet the audacity to put Elia in such a humiliating situation

She deserves more respect and attention from GRRM, which I doubt he will grant her any true respect.

Elia was killed for the sake of the narrative. So the promised one can happen. She was used and then killed in an unnecessary way for it.

What even happened to Elia's body along with her children's? Definitely weren't sent to Dorne. While we know Rhaegar's was burnt and Lyanna's in winterfell.

If George wanted us to like the Rhaegar x lyanna thing, then he failed miserably. For sane people, of course.

This will always be where he failed the writing.

We hear of Lyanna's suffering in the books, and how she was killed to bring important child for the future of the realm and its safety yet we barely hear of Elia's, who gave and suffered much, much more.

I like the Starks, but this is where George crossed the line with his favoursim.

She is barely there in the narrative, yet her story and the things she had been through and everything associated with her upbringing make her more interesting character than Rhaegar or Lyanna to me and many people.

I believe George unintentionally made her more interesting to many of us when he wanted us to care for Rhaegar and Lyanna.

Edit: I'm talking about the crown, not the winter rose itself. Since some Rx L shippers entered the asks and were acting so unruly like usual.

#asoiaf #elia martell #anti rhaegar x lyanna #anti rhaegar #game of thrones #lyanna stark #elia deserves better #rhaegar targaryen #lyanna isn't faultless #a song of ice and fire

[martellspear]

now why is the twitter fandom so against the notion that elia was a loved princess?

#anti asoiaf fandom #elia martell deserved better #elia martell #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #house martell #i open that app just to irritate myself at this point

[sluttyjonahmagnus]

Hmmm. I didn’t want to jump on the Gwen and Elias relation train but. Alice’s comment on what could be Gwen’s standing with class/money is something. Because Elias’s father made comments. Elias made those comments in mag193 about himself.

Depending on how old she is.. she could be anyone in that family.

#tmagp spoilers #tmagp #gwendolyn bouchard #elias bouchard #original elias bouchard #og elias bouchard #the magnus protocol #the Magnus protocol spoilers #like some people forget Elias was from A Family #and he might’ve believed he deserved better than what he got #but shitty dad and trauma and eye gouging #huh #i'm sorry i can't buy transfem elias tho

[fvckinaphrodite]

everytime i see rhaegar and rhaelya worshippers making up takes and theories i just wanna gauge their eyes out. you bitches are the vilest delulus when it comes to elia and her children. gtfo and kys already❗❗❗

#elia martell deserved better #may yall rhaegar and rhaelya stans burn in seven hells bcs wtf is this shit #pro elia martell #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti rhaegar x lyanna #anti rhaelya #asoiaf #got #elia martell #elia martell defence squad

[dracodazaii]

im sorry but i can never be a lyanna stan guys.

just lemme explain.

obviously this is only if she willingly went w rhaegar

To begin with, the situation in its simplest form is that Rhaegar and Elia are married, amicable yet not in love, and Rhaegar runs off with Lyanna, causing chaos to ensue amongst the realm.

Even if no war occured and everything was fine, how can Lyanna try to justify running away with a married man, especially on the way to her brothers wedding which feels very selfish, even if Brandon didn’t want to marry Cat, like she still ruined their wedding day.

Not to mention, that running with Rhaegar meant that shes inserted herself into his marriage which is Elia’s place. How nonsensical it is to run away with a married man and somehow marry him!

There’s two routes people go to justify it, and I’ll explain why I think they suck:

1) E-R-L is a polygamous marriage: This is not appeasable to the realm at all! Nobody will accept that. The only reason Aegon+Rhaenys+Visenya were accepted was because they were conquering Westeros, and like you can’t say shit about the guys conquering you!! Also the Targs were on thin ice then, and Maegor also tried, and look what happened afterwards!

2) E-R was annulled and R-L are married: I don’t think this is reasonable at all. Considering that Rhaegar is only HEIR, just like Daemon, for example. Both wanted annulments and both need the permission from the King and/or High Septon, but also considering how the likes of Aegon IV couldn’t annul his own marriage, do you really think a measly heir could?! At least in Daemon’s situation, he had no children, but as Aegon IV and Rhaegar both had kids (Elia giving birth twice in 3 years) theres no grounds for annulment, and it would disinherit his children potentially anyway, or even start a second Dance. As soon as you have a second wife, whether polygamous, annulled or dead first wife, war will be almost inevitable between the potential heirs.

Also Ik its not possible.. but can we stop with the E/R/L shipping in a serious manner (crackship is fine but in canon is 😐)

Like genuinely thinking mid-20s Elia would want to romance a 14 year old girl, would be fine with her husband romancing said 14 year old, or join in together, is so crazy to me. Like, yes Rhaegar is very much in the pedo-realm but why would Elia also follow suit??!

And like not to be a huge Robert Baratheon stan here (i hate GOT era him) but you can’t deny that it is the rebellion+it’s repercussions on his life, that change him so heavily into this twisted abusive, pedo man. He was not a great guy pre-rebellion, he slept around, was loud and rowdy, but I feel like you can’t really say that Lyanna somehow predicted that he would be this abusive evil man, tbh it seems like she just disliked his promiscuity which is valid, but in doing the same to Elia, her point gets invalidated in my eyes.

Also next point is the age-situation.

Now i know that obviously in a real life situation, a 14 year old girl is at no blame for the groomer actions of the adult…. however just look at how GRRM perceives this. like not as an “oh medieval girls married at 14, its fine” because they were still mentally children… but i mean how GRRM perceives relationships akin to R-L and characters by Lyannas age in ASOIAF-verse.

Ok so GRRM thinks R-L is romantic, which means that the groomer undertones aren’t necessarily meant to be there, and its meant to be more of a Romeo-Juliet situation (which heavily fucked over Romeos girl Rosaline ie Elia). He also believes Dany-Drogo and San-San is healthy, so I don’t think age heavily affects characters romantic feeling and actions much then.

Then if we see character Lyanna’s age, they’re treated as adults (yes some do have child impulses but overall adults). You have Robb acting impulsively like a kid, but ultimately being treated as an adult and being killed. I feel like even though they have kid impulses, they’re meant to get adult consequences for their actions.

Also ages as a whole is fucked up in ASOIAF in comparison to real world, like you have baby Rickon Stark going feral in Skagos, you have 3 year old Joffrey Velaryon/Strong squaring up to Aemond, and you even have 11 year old Benjicott Blackwood being an absolute beast of a warrior when in the real-world, he’d be just a kid, useless in defence.

#asoiaf #game of thrones #anti rhaegar x lyanna #lyanna stark bashing #elia martell #rhaegar targaryen #rhaegar targaryen bashing #lyanna stark #a song of ice and fire #got #elia martell deserved better

[arcaneniffler]

The feminine urge to write a women-centric canon compliant fanfic about Robert Baratheon’s rebellion showcasing how men will use anything as an excuse to start a war and then blaming women for it.

#if i have more free time i might actually do this #i have to do lots of reserach tho #women deserve better #asoiaf #robert baratheon’s rebellion #elia martell #lyanna stark #game of thrones #fire and blood #a song of ice and fire #asoiaf fanfic