#elogium

[ryukisgod]

When you’re watching Star Trek: Voyager and find out Neelix has been dating a prepubescent girl

#parks and recreation #memes #fred armisen #Star Trek #star trek voyager #s02e04 #elogium

[direwolfrules]

Y'all, don't browse fandom wikis while hormonal.

The origin of Ensign Samantha Wildman's name and profession has me teary-eyed.

She's named after a seven-year-old girl who died and her organs were donated. Her kidney went to the wife of Jimmy Diggs, a freelance writer who wrote "Elogium".

Diggs's one request after Trek bought his script was that a character be named after Samantha, and that her profession be Xenobiology. Because little Samantha's parents had told Diggs that she had loved animals.

I'm about to cry I swear.

#elogium #star trek voyager #star trek #star trek voy #st:voy #st voy #voyager #samantha wildman #ensign wildman #jimmy diggs #tw: child death

[fullmetal-angelgrace]

incredible dialogue

#star trek voyager #star trek #voyager #elogium #voyager 2x04 #tuvok #screenshot #naomi watches voy #i can't believe str trek did ANOTHER episode about blobby space creatures that think the ship is one of them #sex appeal indeed

[thresholdbb]

Feral Kes is a mood

#kes #elogium #eat those hecking orchids #infinite rewatch round ii #sorry for potato quality #memeish

[divinemissem13]

Crackfic alert! 🚨

Please enjoy this ridiculousness that occupied my entire weekend. Sorry/ not sorry 🤷‍♀️

Usually taking the pins out relieved her aching head somewhat, but not today. Not for the last few days, actually, she realized. Kathryn studied herself in the bathroom mirror as she released the last few locks of hair from containment. Her eyes were a bit sunken, but she hadn’t been sleeping well lately. Maybe the Doctor was right and she should take a day off. She really hadn’t felt like herself lately. The persistent low level nausea, the headache hovering but never quite making the attack, disrupted sleeping patterns - if it were in any way possible, she might think she was pregnant. But short of immaculate conception, it surely wasn’t that. 

#fanfic #crack fic #crackfic #star trek voyager #elogium #I'm not a scientist #hints of j/c #i wrote this #possible Dal R'El origin story? 🤔 #kathryn janeway

[giffingthingsss]

#voyager things #elogium

[mrsometimes11]

Rewatching Star Trek: Voyager, got to the episode Elogium.

This is a widely disliked episode and I can see, while it does have interesting character moments, the concept of Elogium as a puberty parallel, as well as Kes' youth, even by her own species' standards, makes the fact that she's already been dating Neelix for a year, and has had Tom making googly eyes at her for almost as long, endlessly creepy.

However that is not the bit I'm thinking about. So far as I'm concerned Kes is an alien, and though Janeway compares Elogium to puberty, in-universe the two have as much in common as Vulcan Pon-Farr. The bit I'm thinking about is the fact that this happens only once in an Occampa's life, and they typically mate for life, 'cause that's just unsustainable.

Think about it, it takes two individuals to make one child, even if every Occampa couples off, and every couple has a child, which - in the episode - is portrayed as the norm for the species, the population must half with every generation. Add to this the fact that the Occampa we know about are both isolated groups with limited contact with the outside universe, you have to add a whole lot of inbreeding, which will get progressively worse, into that downward population spiral.

Of course it may be that multiple births are the norm in this species, but that isn't brought up in the episode. Both Neelix and Kes talk as if they'd expect to have one child, not suggestion is made that a multiple birth is even possible. Plus, in the later episode 'Before and After' we see Kes as a child, as a baby, and in utero, with no trace of any twin sibling or siblings. And, unless every other Occampa in town is octomom, only children simply being a possibility still pretty much dooms the species.

Going purely by the apparent birthrate, Janeway's decision to destroy the Caretaker's Array and save the Occampa was a futile gesture. The Occampa, as a species, seem doomed to die out within a few generations.

#star trek #star trek voyager #occampa #elogium #kes #this does not make sense

[sshbpodcast]

Bottom Five Star Trek VOY Episodes

by Ames

Star Trek: Voyager gets a lot of flak for not always capitalizing on its unique circumstance, as a show about a cumulative journey meant to take a lot of time. Some of that is the episodic nature of the show: audiences needed to be able to tune in randomly and not feel as lost as the crew were. But some bad episodes just had no excuse. And you’ll see a lot of that in A Star to Steer Her By’s picks for worst episodes of the show. 

We’ll miss all our Delta Quadrant friends, enemies, and alien races, sure. We’ll miss the ship and the crew. But there’s also a lot that we won’t miss, as there were a good deal of missed opportunities, clunkers, and just plain offensive episodes along the way. Good riddance to those! Scroll on to see what we mean in our bottom five episodes of Voyager below, and/or listen to our coverage over on the podcast (series review starts at 1:29:20) with some audio-exclusive picks from guest star Liz! It’s finally time to self destruct this ship.

[images © CBS/Paramount]

“The Fight”: Ames I’m pretty clear on my stance on dream sequence episodes, but for those of you sitting in the back: I hate them. They’re contrived, they’re convenient, they’re too literal. Just ugh all around. Which is a shame because there’s something in this episode that could have been interesting for Chakotay to do for a change, but it got lost somewhere in boxing metaphors and some Native American spiritualism. Talk about a bad dream!

“Tattoo”: Chris Speaking of Native American spiritualism, this episode is just plain uncomfortable and it all comes down to the one line of dialogue that goes too far: “Forty five thousand years ago, on our first visit to your world, we met a small group of nomadic hunters. They had no spoken language, no culture, except the use of fire and stone weapons.” Oh writers, you done screwed up to imply that the only reason Native Americans have culture is because aliens. A-koo-chee-moh-no.

“Alice”: Caitlin Caitlin surprised us a couple times in her series picks by opting for episodes she hadn’t even included in her season-by-season lists! So welcome, “Alice,” to the bottoms list. The femme fatale ship was just too tropey and icky and really brought Tom’s character down a few pegs. It’s episodes like this that make us wonder how on earth Torres stayed with him throughout the show.

“Ex Post Facto”: Jake Tom did some more suffering in this early-seasons dud of an episode. We’ve seen Star Trek do film noir to a slightly better effect in something like DS9’s “Necessary Evil,” but this one just whiffs hard at the style. It doesn’t help that the Baneans’ hair feathers are distracting as hell and that the conclusion that the damn dog helps solve stretches credulity to its very limits. Have the writers never met a dog before?

“Concerning Flight”: Caitlin You’d think John Rhys-Davies playing Leonardo da Vinci would elevate an episode to something greater, but somehow this baffling episode proved to be a waste of time. We spent most of it confused by pretty much everyone’s motivations. Why did Tau keep da Vinci around? How did da Vinci not notice anything was out of the ordinary on this planet? Does the sun always set in the same place on this planet? Who knows!

“Body and Soul”: Ames I’ve clumped a bunch of really gross, sexist episodes together if only to rile myself up because I hate these kinds of episodes so much. But how can one not get riled up when Seven tells the Doctor that he violated her and his response is to blame her? What should be a fun romp watching Jeri Ryan get to pretend to be another character is horribly tainted by that “she was asking for it” attitude. And then for Seven to be the one to apologize while the Doctor never sees what he did was wrong: VOMIT!

“Retrospect”: Chris Oh look, more violating Seven of Nine! This show really couldn’t help itself sometimes. What else was there to do when you had an attractive woman on the cast but to exploit her? If this episode was trying to debunk false memories, it failed hard by making it about a violation of a woman character because then the only thing you can see is the allegory for fake rape allegations, and that is not the message you want to send. Plus the doctor suddenly peddling pseudoscience is just nonsense.

“Blood Fever”: Ames Here’s another gross sexual act that I’ve never been quite okay with. Pon farr as a plot device was fine enough in “Amok Time.” Weird and kind of illogical, but fine. But when Vorik goes and sexually assaults Torres and everyone tries to sweep it under the rug because it’s some weird Vulcan bullshit, that’s not fine. And when Tom makes it clear that it would not be consensual for him and Torres to bang it out but Tuvok insists they do, I am all the more disgusted. No means no, Vulcans!

“Sacred Ground”: Ames, Jake We’ve got some overlap in our remaining bottom picks, starting with this absolutely nonsensical debate between science and faith that just boils down to: believe everything you’re told without questioning it and maybe magic is real. There’s a reason this franchise usually shies away from addressing religion in this kind of way. It’s one thing for a character (or a person in real life!) to have faith; it’s quite another for miracles to just happen for plot convenience (unless you’re part wormhole alien or something).

“11:59”: Caitlin, Chris, Jake The hatred for Henry Janeway is strong in this room (though that might be because Chris skews the curve a bit). But he’s just a wet blanket of a character who’s just taking his son and his whole damn town down to his level through sheer obstinance. Add to that the fact that he seriously has no chemistry with Shannon – like really, he could be her father – and you’ve got a massive clunker of an episode on your hands.

“Fury”: Caitlin, Chris, Jake The series as a whole wasted Kes as a character, which was quite the shame to watch, but the one thing it did do was give her a poignant and powerful farewell in “The Gift.” But Voyager can giveth and Voyager can taketh away, and this return of Jennifer Lien as the hardened, hellbent, furious Kes basically attempts to ruin her character. This was not the Kes we knew and loved, and damned if we even understand how she got there. How dare they do this to our sweeting!

“Elogium”: Ames, Caitlin, Chris, Jake Finally, the one we all agree on is some other weird sex claptrap. The Vulcans may have their pon farr (which I hate enough on its own), but the Ocampa have elogium, which somehow makes even less sense! Biology aside (blegh), the rest of the episode is confused in its messaging: these are people who are not ready for a baby, but instead of really exploring what that means for them, we’re stuck with this weird Ocampan heat thing. This whole episode has lost its sex appeal!

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See also: our Top Five Star Trek VOY Episodes list! And why not: here’re all the seasonal tops and bottoms from seasons 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7!

We’ll still miss the Voyager and her plucky crew of misfits… just not when they were being racist or misogynist for no reason. And while I’d love to say we’re glad all those bad episodes are over, there’s always more bad ideas to go around. Let’s see how our next show in the rotation compares as we prepare ourselves for our next watchthrough: Star Trek: Enterprise! We’d love for you to watch along with us on SoundCloud or whatever podcast platform is your favorite, to hang out with us on Facebook and Twitter, and to really brace yourself because we know more pon farr action is on the way. Ew.

#star trek #star trek podcast #podcast #star trek voyager #voyager #bottom 5 #the fight #tattoo #alice #ex post facto #concerning flight #body and soul #retrospect #blood fever #sacred ground #11:59 #fury #elogium #pon farr

[trillscienceofficer]

There's a whole part of “The Fifty-year mission” where Jeri Ryan says that she almost said no to the Seven of Nine part because when they made an offer to her she decided to watch an episode of Voyager just to see how it would be like, and what she happened to watch was a really terrible episode which made her backpedal immediately (the production had a whole meeting with her afterwards to assuage her fears). Since I've read that I always wondered if she'd happened to catch a rerun of “Threshold” lol

#it sounded to me like it was threshold or idk something like elogium

[bumblingbabooshka]

Tuvok & Seven of Nine should have been overbearing co-parents to the borg children

#non romantic co-parents and they won't even admit they're friends (they don't have* friends! they don't need friends!) #star trek voyager #they are organizing a joint schedule they have a shared space google doc #Seven of Nine #Tuvok #They are both overbearing in different ways <3 #I think Tuvok is an excellent father and also that he would not be able to parent every child effectively - especially non Vulcans #Meanwhile Seven is like 'Children are basically little employees I have to train yes?' #Chakotay: You're not going to be raising this children...alone. will you?? #Seven: Of course not. / Chakotay: Thank G- / Seven: Commander Tuvok will assist me. #Chakotay: -the most forced smile ever- o h h........ #*spoiler: They're very good friends #I think Tuvok would want them to be better behaved than they are but know that children are unpredictable to a degree and they've #been through a lot meanwhile Seven really has no reference for what children are supposed to be do and act like #besides. Seven doesn't need to be a mother. She's like twenty something and newly independent - she should have been at the club instead of #performing femininity so she could be a ''''''real woman'''''' #Stop making female characters mothers.......its enough. #None of the VOY women should have been mothers. Maybe Kes - she seemed like she maybe wanted kids. I could see Kes being a good mom #down the line (not in Elogium I liked that episode and its ending) but none of the rest of them needed #or seemed to particularly want that

[clementine-kesh]

it’s kind of funny that over the course of voyager both harry and b’elanna end up getting alien horny disease like imagine your bestie getting alien horny disease and you’re like “damn dude that sucks would hate for that to be me” and then a few years later you come down with a case of a completely different alien horny disease. and also that’s just like, a regular hazard of your job

#also very funny that neither of those are the worst voy episode related to sex #not that either of them are good or anything #but ya know. elogium exists

[baylardo]

I used to loathe Elogium bc of its cursed f*tishy nature but if you put on your blinders its got neelix turning around to the idea of fatherhood bc of his partner, rather than the children being extensions of himself they’d be partially from kes as well, and that idea is rlly cute to me :)

#it got me really into the idea of utilizing him specifically with the threshold au kids hehe #just bc he gets all hyped up for it in elogium and then doesnt get any #also its really cute in the au book Places of Exile that him and kes have lil triplets 🥺❤️❤️❤️ #FITTING

[startrekladies]

STAR TREK: VOYAGER

2x04 Elogium

#trekedit #star trek #voy #star trek voyager #voyageredit #scifiedit #kes #neelix #kes x neelix #by zoe

[giffingthingsss]

Elogium

We have to put aside the reproduction logic errors and just accept that the point was to force a discussion about pregnancy and a decision. Yes, we know that getting pregnant only once means the species should have died out by now, unless they always have multiple children, but whatever.

It makes more sense to think of Ocampans as cats. You’re born, and the next year you’re having kittens. But this ep has a theme, so just... ignore all that.

And we must put aside any creep factor from Kes being with Neelix before ‘puberty’. This is writer mixed messaging at its finest. I will say that we’re putting the puberty thing in a human context. The Ocampan sex life doesn’t have to revolve around this ‘elogium.’ I doubt highly Ocampans are abstaining until then. They're most likely married before it hits. The guy in Darkling was also dating Kes pre-Elogium (since this one was false) and nobody wigs about that.

But bonded for six days? ... I hope ya’ll are in some kind of coma, cuz that’s just disturbing. And...logistically kind of impossible. Potentially hilarious. Also, do we even know if Talaxians and Ocampans can reproduce? Was that covered? I might have missed it.

Whatever. There’s literally sperm flying around outside the ship windows. So just... ignore all the terrible science in this science show.

I’ve always liked this episode. 

The plotting is absolutely adorable. We just so happen to see Samantha Wildman in the beginning, and at the end, she’s pregnant. In the same ep that Chakotay sees people pairing off and has a conversation with Janeway about the crew having babies and Voyager becoming a generational ship. In the same ep Kes has to decide whether or not to have a child before she’s ready and we talk about the pros and cons of starship baby raising. And in the same ep that they get mistaken as a giant mate by a bunch of space sperm and the day is saved by losing our sex appeal. What are the odds? 

But what I really like is gutturally connecting to some of the moments. There are things in here that are just so... female. 

Listening to the Delta Flyers on this ep cracked me up, because it was just like... ya’ll are such men. 

‘why does kes look all sweaty and gross? shouldn’t she be attractive to get a mate?’ or something to that effect. 

Ignore the terrible science in this science episode, this is like, an outward representation of what this crap actually feels like. 

Basically everything about being a woman is gross. Everything about the reproductive process? Absolutely disgusting. From menstruation to menopause. From stem to stern. It’s sweaty and hormoney and scary and involves every bodily fluid known to...woman. 

Thank heavens men have rose-colored glasses or we’d be extinct. 

The staging of this scene. What Kes is going through. The way she’s acting. I can feel it in my genetic code. 

The desperation for a maternal presence. Kes can only talk about it with her. Janeway’s female senses are tingling.

The men are on the outside of this. They literally have to watch from behind glass. 

There's other things that I like - the levity surrounding their space sperm situation. Kes eating the flowers is hilarious and I wish she had more moments like that. Neelix's talk with Tuvok about fatherhood. The end when he says he wants a daughter is downright heart-meltingly sweet. 

And then Samantha's declaration that she's pregnant (another stretch, but we've already suspended scientific disbelief for this ep, so shut up) and Janeway's expression of 'yay, but crap, but yay, but crap...here goes.' 

In conclusion

ha. Never. 

#elogium #voyager things #I ramble

[baylardian-1]

i feel like Neelix post-Parturition and Elogium would FLIP over janeway having three lil babies heheeeeeehhhhhh

and he's yknow Morale Officer so trying to help kathryn out while she's moping about everything post-Threshold. :) but he'd especially the babies since he'd gotten his hopes up for one in Elogium.

i just be thinking about chakotay and neelix frantically trying to figure out how to take care of three babies at once lol.

#i keep throwing around how they each got named ideas in my head all the time #rrrmmm not that it matters all that much i think in the series Kes has the tendency to suggest relatives for names lol #so i think she'd be the one to suggest “Edward” haha. #My Art #Threshold #AU #Star Trek: Voyager #Chakotay #Neelix #Kes #Edward Janeway #Philippa Janeway #Amelia Janeway #Human #Talaxian #Ocampan

[grissomesque]

Everyone is lonely, and all we have is each other. I think eventually people will begin to pair off.

Including you?

Star Trek: Voyager 2x04, “Elogium”

#kathryn janeway #kate mulgrew #chakotay #j/c #janeway x chakotay #janeway/chakotay #* #grissomesque edits