#endos dont exist

[vaporedwaves]

I really hope you don't mind the ask- you made a post on FMS in February, and we recently learned we're a HC-DID system. we were wondering if you know how to tell if something is a memory or imagination? we have plenty of suspicions but no proof or even solid memories

hello!! i dont mind you asking at all! (i actually rlly appreciate it)

CW: as this is a post about HC-DID, there will be mentions of RAMCOA, but not in detail. back away from the post when necessary and tread with caution, but also keep in mind that the post doesnt go into any detail of any abuse

we have the same situation, we dont have much (if any) physical proof as to what went on in our past, we only have our memories

something that kinda helped us with figuring out is:

when its more of an imaginary thing, it will most likely only occur once, or if it occurs more than once, then the imaginary thought will most likely not be the same as it was before. there will usually be at least one or two differences within the imaginary thought, unlike an actual flashback

when it comes to flashbacks, the memory will be reoccurring and mostly consistent (though, the flashback doesnt always have to be 100% like the actual event that happened. it may only have a couple of altercations, but not many if there are any in the first place)

the flashback will most likely cause some sort of emotional and/or dissociative response out of you. since the memory is a flashback instead of imaginative thoughts. since you're thinking of highly complex DID, the flashback has a chance to cue some sort of programming. which is very terrifying, but as time goes on, you all will hopefully find some sort of management with the programming, rather that be a headmate that isnt programmed/isnt cued at the moment fronting with the cued alter, someone you trust watching over you while the programming is cued, etc, etc. its up to you and your system to figure out what helps best when it comes to situations like that

also to keep in mind:

the imaginary thoughts will most likely come up when you see some sort of post about RAMCOA-related trauma. your imagination will think of how the situation occurred, and thats okay. as systems, we all tend to have very wild imaginations. but, if the thought occurs many times and feels more and more vivid and real, then i think at that point, you can probably consider it a flashback, or something similar

thank you for the ask, and i hope you and your system are able to figure some stuff out soon :) just remember to tread lightly and to not rush anything. its very fascinating to learn, but remember that your mental health comes first and backing away from that sort of content is very much necessary

#dissociative identity disorder #complex dissociative identity disorder #complex did #complex ptsd #c-did #hc-did #highly complex did #highly complex dissociative identity disorder #ramcoa #ramcoa survivor #did community #endos dont exist #endos dni #i bite endos #i eat endos for breakfast lunch dinner and as a 5 course meal #host post #did system #hc-did system #cptsd #not a professional #special interest for almost 8 years now yahoooo #mental health #complex trauma #childhood trauma #childhood abuse #csa awareness #csem survivor #ramcoa awareness #actually did #medically recognized system

[thehoneybeelibrary]

"oh my god I have such a problem with anti endos Cross tagging into the proendo wah wah wah so I'm gonna do it to retaliate:33"

wow it's almost like if you don't like someone doing something maybe you shouldn't do it and expect other ppl to stop too

#endos dont exist #endos dni ur the worst #traumagenic #endos dni #endos are literally fake or in denial #stop spreading misinformation #osdd1b #plural system #osdd #actually dissociative #🍯🐝📚sys

[thesymbiotecollective]

THEY MADE A FUCKING CARRD TRYING TO JUSTIFY SYSTEM HOPPING I'M FUCKING CACKLING THIS CAN'T BE SERIOUS 😭

- 🦊

#tw system hopping #endos dni #endos do not interact #endos dont exist #did #non traumagenic dni #system #endos dni and die #traumagenic system #anti endo #traumagenic only #traumagenic did #traumagenic safe #dissociative identity disorder #osddid #actually did #actually dissociative #medical misinformation #endos (derogatory) #fuck endos

[eyesmadeofbuttons]

sometimes i scroll through "endo" tags just to feel something

-gamz

#huh. #the bullshit and audacity wtf #also to block ppl bc no #no quirk im too eepy for that #udd system #traumagenic system #anti endo #endos dont exist

[analogconstruct]

i see a lot of the same misconceptions in syscourse almost all the time, despite the many syscoursers who work to try and debunk that misinformation again and again. it makes me want to make some sort of syscourse FAQ or document that lists and disproves common misunderstandings/disinformation with sources/evidence, so that less people fall into the same traps (and so we can stop having to deal with correcting the same untruths over & over)

obviously it wouldnt be a cure for disinformation, because a lot of anti-endos dont care to do any actual research (the "im not reading all that" crowd), but i would hope that if i made such a document that people who actually give a fuck could read it and recognize what syscourse arguments are falsehoods, and what the truth actually is

#🌱 #syscourse #pro endo #i dont know if we would actually do this but #we wish it existed for sure #always sounds more fun to make it in our head #but actually doing it is another thing </3

[thenexuscollective]

I'm actually flabbergasted to realise that there is blogs and people actively participating in syscourse since ALMOST A DECADE./NEG SRS/

I'm not a "both sides are right" guy/DEAD SRS I'm pragmatic and will support endogenic systems and tulpas because unlike everyone in this community I actually grew up wildly disconnected to said community and labels and had the time to look at things unbiased, but seeing someone(s) being willing to fight the same arguments thrown at them again and again is stupid. not stupid, my bad, but it looks tiring.

even with the best interest at heart I find this useless. I would fight for trans rights and any other minority's rights as long as a fight needs to be done and more. but I would NOT do so by damaging my mental health to debate with people that are either not set on changing their mind by choice, or doing so just for the sake of hurting people. I would just throw some links and resources back and forth and that's it.

my point being.

are you guys ok.

my point being.

how fucked up are you to engage in meaningless fights in an emotional way again and again.

my point being.

I know you're fighting to help people. but I don't trust you./srs

seeing someone, not enjoying, but being able to live through such an emotionally challenging and low-key traumatising/damaging moment(s) normally and seek it again and again is making me feel unsafe.

are you doing this to help people or are you just enjoying fighting for the sake of fighting?

I don't trust you.

I don't enjoy infighting.

to be perfectly clear, we are NOT saying that we are not thankful for the resources brought by these people to the community. we are saying that we low-key wish to disconnect from the entire plural community as a whole. yet again.

-sincerely, a traumagenic, endogenic, spirigenic, willogenic, and protogenic, system with mild dissociation.

#im not talking on behalf of ALL of the system obviously. many are so disconnected from the sheer concept of plurality viewed in this #universe that they entirely gave up on making sense about what the hell this “community” is talking about. #but many share a similar discomfort about this whole situation. #as a mixed origin system. we dont feel safe anywhere. #this is truly a stress and trauma inducing experience. #we dont enjoy debates revolving around someones existence. #we won't interact with discourcers if it is to say something we've already said. #we won't interact to begin this. #we're all tired. this situation is inhumane. STOP IT. #i still cant believe this shitshow has been going for almsot a decade if not more-/dead srs neg #syscourse #the void talks #the void posts #vent #endo safe #traumagenic #endogenic #traumaendo #spirigenic #protogenic #willogenic #lore

[pet-cemetery-emotes]

unrealted but what does endo mean? /genq

Short hand for endogenic! Which usually means anyone who is plural for non trauma reasons! or who doesn't relate their plurality to trauma. if you don't know what plural means, there are a lot of definitions! I'd recommend googling around or talking to plural people, because i dont have good words today. plurality is often associated with DID, but that's not the only source or cause :) another common one is MADD (maladaptive daydreaming disorder) or immersive daydreaming!

take this with a grain of salt, though - people will often change their personal definitions of what it means to be plural or endo to exclude others. perhaps because of their own internalized ableism, or exerting control over their online spaces is the only control they readily get, or because picking on a subculture of a subculture means that their targets often won't be defended and they can get away with using them as stress toys. Similarly to queer infighting, and aphobia. Thumbs up emoji

#not emojis #it is often debated by people with DID in particular whether or not endos even exist #and i think. whether or not they do. anti-endos are pretty mean about it! their posts on it remind me of transmeds or aphobes. #i'd rather support people who later change their IDs or are wrong about themselves then people who bully them #been told both sides suck. i dont go into discourse. wouldnt know. but there are loud and mean people everywhere. #and the fact that people call it 'sides' when it's experiences... telling... #i prolly wont answer questions like this in the future #because i usually get hate mail afterwards! which is stressful or annoying depending on my mental state #i was not open about being plural for a long time because if you do it the “wrong way” or have unfinished or clumsy opinions #or ways of wording them... people wanna hurt you over it. #but anyone can ask me anything. <3 and i want to help. #so. risking it today. feeling brave/stupid i guess!

[intersex-idiots]

non-traumatised people when they're excluded from trauma survivors' spaces, conversations, and not given the daily dose of attention that they need:

-🧃

#fuck endos #dni endos #endos aren't real #endos do not interact #endos dni #anti endos #endo dni #endogenic dni #anti endogenic #anti endo #endogenics dni #endos dont exist irl #endogenics are delusional #non traumagenic dni #non traumatised people want to be special so bad #non traumatised people need to stop invading our goddamn spaces #we can't even feel safe venting because of y'all mfs #trauma isn't a goddamn cosplay #roleplaying having life altering trauma is absolutely disgusting #roleplaying being traumatised is disgusting

[logical-fallacies-opinions]

trying very hard to see how and why sysmed and traumascum are transphobic and hhh

#. please remember we try to see all sides. #found a link to a quote unquote good explanation but so far its mainly what transmed (ideology that you must fit medical criteria to be #trans) and that endos DONT EXIST. cant. because did is a traumatic disorder (wrong;;; its a personality disorder) and they CANT have osdd #yada yada. #which is like. okay i get it you dont like endos cause theyre not possible. sure. #right but that.. doesnt pertain to the point? #these differences ; discourse and related #not logan postin #syscourse #its a *dissociative disorder* We are sorry.

[doomsdayradio]

i literally cannot stand the "anti-endos are like transmeds" arguement like ah yes let me compare the subjective social construct of gender to the objective dissociative brain disorder, makes sense /s

#being a bit anti-endo on main #i dont even think endogenic plurality couldnt possibly exist i just think most of the endo community and their arguements are stupid #anti-endo #syscourse #words words words !! #❓ #syscourse neutral #syscourse unaligned

[vaporedwaves]

hi ok so i dont rlly know what exactly to post and im in the mood for an educational post sooo here are a few ideas? any other ideas can be commented or sent into our askbox!

#the dragons lair #evangie posting #host post #endos dni #endos dont exist #hc did system #personality disorder #did system #actually did #traumagenic system #actually cptsd #cptsd #please. #anything works #🙏🙏🙏

[doperel]

ventie in tags

#isnt that really wonderful having a major surgery that greatly effects your physical and mental health tomorrow and literally almost none of #your friends say anything about it to you #in the main server i talk in wirh just friends they literally didnt even respond #and went straight to talking about their lives #fucking thanks guys really making me feel seen and listened to #ive gotten more messages from my old guildmates on wow wishing me luck for surgery than i have any of my friends #and thats fucking 3 messagss #it really really huets and makes me super upset #i have literally had a fucking countdown going for this that multiple people have seen and still nothing #it honestly feels like a majority of the people i talk to could care less considering #none of them talk to me unless i initiate a conversation #i feel incredibly alone with this and i just want someone to talk to thatll listen to me #i cant even fucking get into any support groups near me because theyre all fucking dead links or dont exist anymore #endometriosis has been the most isolating experience of my life #i just want somebody to talk to thats it #im miserably lonely and i hate it #and im getting to be more and more angry and bitter about it because of the lack of care i recieve from #people who i consider friends #ever since i first got endo my friends have dwindled in number so much #if its not fucking me making the plans and going out people just do not fucking care #and the fucking people i was close with ended up using me for fucking sex and making me their therapist while dealinf with this #it feels a lot like people dont want me unless they can date me or i pay to do things with them #i legit feel like the last crumbs in the bowl

[thesymbiotecollective]

The fact that suddenly yall swarming just because we don't care if we hurt a fake mfs feelings shows a lot tbh like I knew Tumblr was a cesspool of endos but damn lmao

News flash

—> Syscourse is barely real, because it's just genuine systems pointing out that yall just wanted friends in your head

—> Endos aren't real. Never have been, never will be

—> Yall are the ones who brought syscourse to the front of our blog, we were happy with keeping that to tags to tell yall we don't want yall near us

—> If you're gonna be buddy buddy with the anon feature, I'm not gonna care or take you seriously <3

—> yall the ones hanging on our every word

#🦊 #did #endos dni #endos do not interact #endos dont exist #non traumagenic dni #syscourse

[hardwaresysx0]

how I be looking during the moral questioning

#this is about endos again #i went on a whole tag rant on another post and then deleted it #essentially i went like “why do they want this. do they think its fun” #cause i suffer from my did on the daily #like holy fuck #like i dont deny their existence i just think the fact that they come into traumagenic spaces and try to coexist is fucked. up. #i literally wouldnt have endos dni in my bio if they werent like that dude #it makes me feel sick sometimes #and we cant even form a solid opinion on how we feel about them because of said did #its like our opinion changes on the daily #and i feel terrible because i have mutuals who are anti endo and mutuals who are pro endo and i feel like i have to choose #and i dont want to #but the morals. the morals. THE MORALS #they have the right to exist but why do they think they have the right to come into the spaces of people who are systems due to #their mental illness #i dont know what to do #do i even do anything? do i just leave it how it is? #im gona be sick/exag

[chaoticgenders]

Can I ask for a hyperspecific microlabel?

If so, I'd like a narcissistic loveless aro flag, since I believe I am aromantic and incapable of/uninterested in any sort of traditional love due to my narcissism and the stereotypes surrounding it. The loveless aro flag would do just fine for me, but I feel like my experience is made very different because of my NPD.

Thx in advance!!

- Latte ☕

I completely understand this.

Narcissistic Loveless Aromantic Flag

The flag is a mash of the NPD flag by npdsafe, and the loveless aro flag by aro-punkwave, the symbol is from a alt flag with no known creator.

#read dni on blog please #curious chaotic req. #endos dni #anti endo mogai #mogai #mogaipride #xenogender #gender coining #safespace #lgbtqia+ #gendercoining #proshitters dni #anti proshitter #npd abuse dont exist #actually npd #aromantic #microlabels #pride #mogai pride #queer pride #lgbtqia #mogai blog #mogai positivity #mogai post #mogai requests #mogai coining #mogai label #pro mogai #mogai friendly #mogai community

[spoonietimelordy]

Citation from the icd-11. Like if you're more exclusionist than the dsm and the icd I think you should really rethink your perspective. I've made a longer post a while ago about how the gatekeeper of plurality is just bigotry and not scientific at all despite what people want you to believe, but it's always funny to read these passages again.

#there is barely any research about non disordered systems but even those extremely medicalising books dont deny the existence of endos