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girlbob-boypants · 11 days
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Dragon's Dogma fans are...incredibly delicate when it comes to ANY criticism of DD2.
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monimarat · 11 months
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Personal note from Sidney L. Phipson to a friend, regarding his convoluted book-long account of Marat as museum thief.
“it is always satisfactory to disentangle fact from fiction.”
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vasilissadragomir · 5 months
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people often use snow’s experiences with lucy gray as an explanation for how he engages with katniss, but i think that the true story of his downfall lies not in how lucy gray and katniss are similar, but rather in how they are different.
snow knew that it was never him that made the games what they are. it was lucy gray, with her scrappy, passionate artistry, that put on the show that kept people watching. more importantly, it was lucy gray that put on the show that kept HIM watching. all he ever did was give her the stage.
ergo, snow recognizes that the person with the power to usurp him is his natural counterpart, someone like lucy gray, who possessed both the charisma and humanity that he sorely lacks. however, in his mind, those traits are not real; they’re performed in order to obtain power. how could he know better, when he’s never experienced them himself, and the only person he ever truly believed possessed them betrayed him?
so snow keeps his eye out for performers, people with gravitas who could capture the heart of the nation, and squashes their spark as soon as he can. people like haymitch. people like finnick.
and that’s where snow goes wrong. he doesn’t see katniss’ similarities to lucy gray from the start, because while they both demonstrate astonishing, intriguing bravery at their reapings, their actions and motivations are completely different. lucy gray is motivated to perform by anger for herself, and katniss is motivated to sacrifice herself by fear for her sister.
but then katniss starts to put on a show for the audience, kissing peeta and being willing to die with the berries at the end of the 74th games. snow starts to see an entirely different side of katniss that resembles lucy gray to a concerning degree. he sees how, with peeta at her side, she could beguile the nation the same way lucy gray had. and, even worse, she was using the poor, helpless boy who had the misfortune of falling in love with her to survive. the moment katniss started performing, he finally sees lucy gray within her. but it’s already too late.
by catching fire, katniss is the spark fanning the flames of the resistance, but snow fails to understand why. as far as he’s concerned, katniss’ star power comes from her connection to peeta. he tries to weaponize their “love” for his own gain, but it doesn’t work, not because people don’t believe that she loves peeta, but because, for the first time, a victor offers their winnings to the family of a fallen tribute.
snow is caught in a catch 22 of seneca crane’s making—if he kills katniss, she becomes a martyr. but if he lets her live, she’ll be a revolutionary icon. either way, she’s the spark. so he has no choice but to allow the spark to flicker, just for a little while. enter the 75th games. snow knows he needs katniss to die a tragic death in the games. more specifically, he needs it to be a brutal death at the hands of a tribute, not the gamemakers, because he understands that as long as the districts see the capitol as the one who ended the life of katniss everdeen, she’ll still be a martyr.
but snow still doesn’t get it. in the quarter quell, the prey does not become predator. katniss’ allies protect her, ensuring she survives until district 13 rescues her. why would they protect this girl, assuming such a steep personal risk? why would they put everything on the line for a revolution they personally stand to benefit little from? he doesn’t know. but he does know that lucy gray katniss is at the center of it all, so he tries to eliminate what makes her look best: peeta.
and that is snow’s fatal mistake. what he, coin, and everyone but haymitch fail to understand is that it was never peeta that made katniss look good—it was katniss, who befriended and put faith in rue. katniss, who recruited mags, wiress, and beetee as allies. she is the source of revolutionary inspiration. it isn’t her charisma or even her compassion, and it certainly isn’t how well she performed those virtues.
katniss becomes the mockingjay because of her solidarity.
lucy gray was charismatic, like peeta, and compassionate, like both peeta and katniss, but she did not demonstrate solidarity. she was never truly “district” in the way katniss is. she showed kindness to jessup, not because he was from 12, but because he showed kindness to her. lucy gray left behind everything and everyone she loved when she left coriolanus, because she was first and foremost a survivor.
katniss was a survivor her whole life, but she survives exclusively to ensure the people she loves are protected. she always does what she can for people more vulnerable than herself. lucy gray couldn’t have sparked a revolution on her own because she lacked the solidarity that makes a hope for a better future authentic to others. katniss is the human manifestation of solidarity, and to a people divided by a common enemy, that’s the most inspiring thing a person can be.
only in the end, when katniss shoots coin, does snow realize none of it was a performance. choking on the blood of his countless adversaries, snow’s final moments are consumed by what he got wrong. what made lucy gray and katniss different ends his reign, but ironically, the final nail in his coffin is an act that both lucy gray and katniss share in their last moments with snow. they both prove, unequivocally, that he is not the center of their worlds like they are his. lucy gray put her own survival before her love for him, and katniss puts the future of her nation before her hate for him. in the end, he simply doesn’t matter. and that’s greater justice than could have ever been achieved if katniss had fired her arrow into his heart.
the greatest enemy to coriolanus snow could only be the person who reignited the embers of a dying revolutionary fire, who demonstrated to a broken people that while one spark alone might not be enough, thousands of sparks uniting in solidarity is an unbeatable force.
and really, he should have known better. after all, even when snow lands on top, fire melts snow.
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asapchikki · 2 years
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llyfrenfys · 4 months
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PLEASE TELL US ABOUT Y DDRAIG TRAWS!
Certainly! I'm more than happy to oblige.
First though I'm gonna need to tldr: the history of Y Ddraig Goch before we get onto the (accidentally) canonically trans part.
A brief history of Y Ddraig Goch:
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(The modern Welsh flag)
Y Ddraig Goch first appears in the tales of the Mabinogi (Charlotte Guest version) in the tale of Lludd and Llefelys where it is fighting a white dragon. The fight is also described/expanded upon in the c. 829 AD text Historia Brittonum (attributed to Nennius) - where the red dragon represents Wales and the white dragon represents the Anglo-Saxons. In the story the red dragon triumphs over the white. Of course, Geoffrey of Monmouth also covers the story c. 1136 in Historia Regnum Brittaniae in which he introduces the concept of the red dragon heralding the arrival of King Arthur.
Geoffrey of Monmouth claims Arthur used a banner featuring a golden dragon. But we also know the accuracy of Monmouth can be questionable at times. Owain Glyndŵr did use a banner with a golden dragon called Y Ddraig Aur - raised in 1401 at Caernarfon - Glyndŵr chose this banner as a nod to the supposed banner of Arthur and his father.
Later on the Tudor monarchs (being a Welsh family) adopted a red dragon on a white and green background in their heraldry. Eventually Y Ddraig Goch on a white and green background became the official badge of Wales in 1800. The design became the official flag of Wales in 1959.
Y Ddraig Traws:
Now for the thing you're all here for -
So, as outlined, the history of the dragon as a national symbol of Wales goes back a long way. If we're just talking post-1959, there's some interesting implications for Y Ddraig Goch's depiction.
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This is what the Welsh flag (and Y Ddraig Goch) looked like in 1959 when it was officially adopted as the flag of Wales. It looks broadly the same as the first flag and has some common features - such as not having a penis (or, as in the correct heraldic terminology - a pizzle). Meanwhile, in the arms of the Tudors (specifically Henry VII)
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(Tudor dragon with pizzle) vs (dragon on the flag of Cardiff - pizzleless)
the penis is almost always included. So much to the point that the present royal family still includes the penis. While pretty much 0 depictions of the dragon in Wales include a penis. So you could interpret this as the dragon is seen as male only by the British royal family and as female everywhere else (which kinda implies that at some point the Tudor dragon had an mtf transition in Wales and she keeps getting misgendered by the royal family every time she is depicted in (mostly) England).
So much to the point that in 1995 this pound coin was made by the Royal Mint featuring the pizzle on the dragon with all four feet touching the ground as opposed to standing up (passant rather than rampant).
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But in Wales you'd be hard pressed to see a pizzled dragon anywhere. Ergo, we can only conclude Y Ddraig Goch is trans and she transitioned in Wales and keeps getting misgendered in England.
[note: This is mostly tongue in cheek - but I do think it's fun to extrapolate that the Welsh dragon is trans because of the differences in depiction between Wales and England. Like many things Welsh, it is misrepresented by England and the idea of the Welsh dragon being misgendered only in England is, I think, a good metaphor for a whole lot of English treatment of Wales.]
Unrelatedly, there is a gay Welsh flag held at the National Museum of Wales which has a very wonky dragon which I find very endearing.
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(cleaned up version I made)
So much so I made it an emoji in my Welsh bilingual LGBTQIA+ Discord (requirements for joining are - be 16+, either speak or are learning Welsh and identify as LGBTQIA+ in some way. Dm for link!).
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(triaist ti 'you tried' emoji)
~ Completely unrelatedly ~ never forget the time someone was trying to homophobic to me by suggesting that I was disrespecting all the soldiers who died 'for the Welsh flag' by making it rainbow colours and not red - arguing that any change of colour of the dragon was disrespectful. Reader, my bus pass at the time for Mid Wales Travel had a purple dragon on it.
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genderkoolaid · 8 months
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Hey, do you remember all that "discourse" surrounding the term "Achillean'?
For a while I kept seeing people both dismiss and defend it saying "only chronically online transmasc teenagers use it"
I'm a transfem nb in hir later life, and the term acchillean has given me a way to describe my attraction and it's genuinely a really important part of my identity.
I hope it becomes as common of a term as sapphic, personally.
Oh yeah, I've discussed that discourse a bit on here. I think the pushback is one part political lesbianism (the idea that lesbian culture is special and under attack and needs to be protected from outsiders esp males from corrupting its pure feminism) and one part anti-transmasculine homophobia (gay trans men are cringey teens who don't understand what it means to be gay, whose contributions to gay culture aren't legitimate unless cis gay men approve of them).
& while historicity doesn't make a term more valuable inherently, achillean isn't even a newly-coined word. People have been using Achillean to refer to homoerotic relationships between men for a very long time, it's just that (afaik) gay trans men online were the ones who started to repopularize it, ergo the anti-transmasculinity.
I'm really glad it's been so helpful for you though! I also really hope it becomes more popular. Both sapphic and achillean are good terms for describing queer attraction/relationships that unify different identities. They also don't rely on gender labels, so generally they're good for being able to communicate "attraction in a gay male way without necessarily identifying myself as a man."
Unfortunately they are also very Western, although I've seen some people from coining similar terms based on queer people from their own cultures which is cool! Especially since that adds another layer of nuance, framing types of attraction not as universal but as grounded in specific cultural associations (ofc that's not to say non-White/Western people can't ID as sapphic or achillean).
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zuppizup · 10 months
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I have so many questions after watching the recent star gazing clip
If they have a Shadowpaw, that means they likely went back to the Silvergrove, right?
Ergo, Rayla-still-a-ghost angst?! Mayhaps hand holding for moral support? 👉👈
Do they need to dance to get back in? How long does the key spell work?!
Ethari?!?!
Does Rayla leave the coins with him for safe keeping or bring them in the hopes they can find a way to free her family on their trip?
Do we finally get the "take care of her" moment between Ethari and Callum?!
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ms-ship · 11 days
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Okay, after going through the Ghostbusters lore, I have have come to! Conclusive deduction to set the record straight: this particular scene was NOT deleted...not officially, anyway.
Evidently, the 'Busy' scene was happening before the Ghostbusters' showdown with Gozer the Gozerian, only said scene all happened offscreen.
Ergo, Janine really did give Egon her good luck coin while the movie's cameras were somewhere else, most likely pressed for the film's time, I should say. Plus, in that case, Egon had Janine's token in his unniform pocket the whole time while facing off of Gozer.
Furthermore, If this scene were truly considered quote-unquote 'deleted' or 'non-canon' to the franchise, we wouldn't have seen Janine's other token in GB Aftermath. Egon likely still has tue one she gave him while in his grave (no reference intended to Harold Allen Ramis RIP🕊).
@bixiebeet @spengnitzed @ariel-seagull-wings @janegon-forever @kawaiisakura143 @soulfulbelieves @lulusplaycorner @remerg @spook-central @spenglerssweetheart @spook-spectre-ghost @janeb984 @egonspenglersweetie @spenglerxmelnitz @lunoki @trixie21
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ashes8338 · 7 months
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Okay okay, Lies of P details part 4 The Final Chapter
Working off what I said in the last post, the less human he is the less vocal he is when exerting himself so instead of his voice you hear gears click and springs wind. The cat interactions changing the more human he becomes, he loves that cat and he just wants to pet it and I can relate to that so much. How clear it is everybody cares so much for P by the end, it really feels like they’ve become a big family and they’re all worried for him and what’s to come. The gold coin fruit tree is human shaped, you can see the figure of a human underneath all the bark, roots, and leaves. It’s like the tree grew around a statue or somebody got turned into the tree itself. Almost every lit window you walk past in the city has a different audio to it. The way Geppetto puts his hands on P’s shoulders when you first find him. The way they explain how P comes back after he dies is that Sophia is turning back time to save him, makes me think of all the alt time lines where I got absolutely slaughtered by that mad clown puppet. The way that the Pandemonium arm looks partially organic. After the attack on the hotel the atmosphere does a comeplete tonal shift, from safe, warm and welcoming to sad, cold and foreboding. The heart messages changing from ‘your springs are reacting’ to ‘the ergo whispers’, ‘you feel warmth’ and finally ‘your heart pounds’, cannot explain it, but it hits hard. Listening to music making you more human, which in turn effects how P himself plays the piano
And lastly a person note: how much everybody in the fandom loves Pinocchio and Sophia. Whether it be platonically or romantically (I would kiss both of them personally), I think we can all agree they deserve the universe and nothing less
[Part 1] [Part 2] [Part 3]
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crossdressingdeath · 5 months
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Raphael: You. A thief, a liar, and a fool. We had an agreement, and you broke it. The Crown was supposed to be mine. Instead of delivering it to its true home in the Hells, you allowed Gale Dekarios to deliver it to Mystra. I should snuff you out and make coin of your soul, but it will be more amusing to let you see the consequences of your actions. Do you really think that the Crown is safer in the hands of a goddess than in the claws of a devil? Look to the history of these Realms. It is not the devils but the gods who sunder, wreck and ruin - it is the gods who instigate each new crisis. It is the gods who almost brought doom to your world. I was merely a witness to their conspiracy. And I would have dealt fairly with you. I cannot say what Mystra will do. Perhaps the crown is a mere trinket to one of her power, or perhaps it is the key to unlocking some dreadful new potential in her portfolio. Time will tell, as it always does. Look to the heavens and pray for peace - but prepare for a cataclysm.
Hey. I killed you. You're dead. Go away.
How is he alive? I thought killing devils in the Hells killed them permanently. And yet! What, did he fake it or something?
Also it's kind of hilarious to me that Raphael's so shocked and angry about Durge breaking an agreement that involved them politely giving the Crown to a devil when they stole the damn thing to begin with. Raphael, sweetheart, why exactly did you expect the murder demigod who stole the Crown from your dad to play fair...? It's honestly almost cute that he somehow thought they weren't going to break that agreement the first chance they got. Like, he presumably knew they stole the Crown! Ergo he should have known that they had access to a diabolist who was willing to help them steal from devils! And he thought they weren't going to steal their contract back from him? That's just precious.
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butch-gamedev · 4 months
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Hi! I’m trying to get my bearings on the post about bimisogyny, and I want to know more on why/how it’s appropriating (copying?) the theoretical underpinnings of transmisogyny. Can you explain it more, or direct me to where I can learn about it? Feel free to say no, I just wanted to ask directly 👍🏼
(feel free to answer publicly or privately, either is fine)
So part of what's upsetting to me about the whole situation is that there's a significant corpus of *theory* surrounding transmisogyny, a great deal of analysis, and these attempts to equate things like "transandrophobia" and "bimisogyny" to it completely elide frameworks in what is very blatantly a game of equalization or minimization. Transandrophobia is a bit more blatant at this - attempting to set up an intersection of transphobia (real) and misandry (not, tragically), and with its proponents essentially openly using it as a point-scoring method against trans women (a fairly prominent proponent was outed as a serial abuser today, another recently instigated a fairly large outcry by feeling the need to draw over stats on violence against transgender people to suggest that it was undercounted against trans men but overcointed against trans women). I think most transfemimists rightly recognize that people who uphold "transandrophobia" as a legitimate axis of oppression are largely just reactionaries - it's true that trans men and trans women experience transphobia differently, but the idea that trans men have it worse is... unsubstantiated is a generous term. The sole function of the word seems to be as a method for transmascs to signal to each other their own transmisogyny.
"Bimisogyny" as a term I think is coming from a better place - bisexual women do, in fact, experience particularly heightened level of misogynistic violence. But... at the same time it's fairly clear that the coining of the word comes from a desire for equalization rather than the emergence of a real framework of understanding. The only substantive writing on the subject essentially gathers a bunch of statistics on the misogynistic violence bisexual women face, lists a couple patterns of fetishization and control from men, and throws its hands up. No motives or mechanisms are considered. This, combined with the author having a history of questionable analysis of politics surrounding sexual orientation in the past, kind of give the game away to me. If an actual understanding of bimisogyny had been set up or was being worked towards, the piece (and the general discourse surrounding it) would be centered on developing an understanding of why conditions are so dismal for bisexual women - who benefits from it, who enacts it, and how. This isn't to say that such a framework isn't needed, it's just to say that... as people use the word right now, it kind of explains nothing while trying to carry the same gravitas as transmisogyny. This is part of why people responding to me with "oh so bi women aren't allowed to talk about their oppression?" is grating because that's obviously not the function of using the term as things are now. I must also admit that the originating piece lingering overlong on anti-bisexual sentiment among lesbians and referring to "bi-exclusionary lesbians"... does not give much confidence either.
And one thing that's been glazed over is that understandings of transmisogyny aren't just "shit sucks for trans women, ergo we get a word", and even if I frankly have a lot of disagreements with the originating text, there is a great deal of insight on the cultural factors informing transmisogyny. Serano theorizes transmisogyny as the intersection of oppositional sexism (the belief that there are essentially two types of human being, split by reproductive capacity into two non-overlapping and distinct categories) and misogyny (the assertion of men's power through the negation of women). I don't even really agree with this reading - I tend to follow Wittig's stance that the establishment of sex categorization is itself necessary to facilitate misogyny and that sex is not in fact prior to misogyny but is constructed. I think Serano is a bit of a liberal, and naturalizes some things which are socially constructed as innate or predetermined. But the understanding that transmisogyny is rooted in the maintenance of sex as a system does hold water, and contemporary materialist feminists do consistently have apt analyses of transmisogyny through this lens (often centered around the positionality of transgender women as degendered women - women who are subjected to misogyny and misogynistic violence without the already flimsy defenses afforded to others through gender recognition). The narrative that transgender women are sexually threatening or gain benefits from supposed intrinsic maleness is itself used as justification to abuse us in a traditionally misogynistic manner. One thing that has been of particular interest to me is the tendency of non-female transgender people (generally trans men and trans-mascs) to leverage a female self-gendering willingly and temporarily for the sole purpose of gendering transgender women as male as a justification for dismissal, violence, or resentment. I think that this necessarily points to transmisogyny being useful as a tool not only for the construction of hegemonic male and female identity but also multiple transgender identities, but I don't want to get any further into the weeds right now.
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transgaledekarios · 14 hours
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Lies of P writing/art Prompt List
-cold hands and colder wind, rosy cheeks and warm hearts
-sleeping in unusual spaces/ways
-Eating food for the first time
-Fear; P approaches the boss
-P’s developing friendship with the kitty, Spring
-A daily routine
-P discovering he has a favorite anything (outfit, item, etc.)
-A starry night stretches endlessly, sand beneath his boots
-If P kept a journal
-as humanity awakens, a relationship deepens (platonic and/or romantic)
-a puppet playing a part, is he happy in this role?
-Your favorite ending/epilogue
-The churning of machinery 
-A fleeting memory in the swirls of glowing ergo
-A ballroom filled with old memories, and a dance to form a new one
-A taste of gold coin fruit
-Antonia ponders what bothers her dear friend, Polendina
-When Alidoro rescues Eugenie
-Krat will never be the same, they will never be the same
-Grief
I'll probably add to it eventually, but I thought I'd post some of it in case anyone else -like me- wanted ideas for fic :))
Also also since I can’t believe I forgot, thank you @creaking-skull for the help in choosing some of these. 🧡
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horologiiiumart · 7 months
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Hello I am here simply asking for Mr. Stick lore!
(Also ur artstyle…simply Devine! It makes my day when you post! ☺️)
wauauggg thank you!! i'm glad you like it! alright. mr. stick lore. my specialty >:)
his first name is scott
mr. stick in this au has two siblings, a younger brother named leonardo and an older sister named madison
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since time moves slower in the fort, stick ends up staying there for several months to a year. this does not help his family in the least
for many months, peppino didn't know that stick was in the fort and ergo only a couple feet away from him as he's being grilled by the police about stick's disappearance
stick initially hates fakey, but soon warms up to him, eventually becoming an uncle figure to him
as he's been in the fort for a long time, the tooning sticks with him if he leaves the fort
his toon gags are inspector gadget-inspired. and also money and rent based. his hat is coin-operated and you have to pay to get something from his hammerspace
he teaches classes on being a toon alongside noisette
he built most of the buildings in blankieopolis, the city of the fort. he maintains them, too
he has a niece and a nephew that he would spoil with hand-crafted toys
he's one of the first inhabitants of the blanket fort, second only behind fakey. he's very familiar with the fort and can easily traverse it
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bonefall · 1 year
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You sorta mentioned it before but how are you planning to do currency? You said you were using fossils iirc, so do cats just spend an hour or so digging for them for cash? What other things do you think could be used as currency, if someone else was making currency for their own fanclans and wanted inspiration?
If there is currency, it's going to be very limited and situational. My cats have more of a barter economy than a counting one-- they don't even really value preciseness in their language, which would help keep track of coins.
If they had more time trading with BloodClan, their society may have become more money-minded. But they did not.
The fossils I WOULD be using for currency are fairy coins.
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They're found in many rivers in the UK, and are the fossilized remains of crinoids. They're small enough for a cat to use as coins, not easy to counterfeit, and have intrinsic value as star-shaped and beautiful objects for decoration.
This is called a "commodity currency" and it's one of the earliest forms of currency. Extra History has a decent video on why they form and a quick introduction to why they have value (and ergo what would make a good currency)
Suggestions:
Shells
Pearls, gemstones
Teeth or bones of a specific, hard-to-catch animal such as moles or foxes.
Actual stolen human coins
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Round 1 Poll 18
Cogito, ergo sum
"I think, therefore I am"
René Descartes coined the phrase in Meditations on First Philosophy. It is his first principle when trying to build a way to know a thing exist. Basically if there is any reason to doubt something he could not call it true but eventually he boiled everything down to his thoughts. And he determined that if he could think (or anyone could think) then he (or anyone) existed and that could not be denied. He might be living in a simulation but we know at least ourself exists. He then goes on to establish many of the other important things he earlier had to doubt in his skepticism.
Veni, vidi, vici
"I came, I saw, I conquered/won"
Attributed to Julius Caesar
Okay so I think the basic legend of this one is pretty well known, but I want to tell a more personal funny story I have with this phrase. So, I made a youtube account when I was fairly young, not like super young but I think I was in middle school maybe? And anyways I was in the comments for a song, and one comment just said "I came" and I, having no knowledge of the sexual meanings of that phrase in my tender young life, could not fathom why someone would say that with no other context. I was like, came where? But then I thought of this phrase, which I have been able to quote since long before I had any idea how sex worked, and I was like, ah yes, this gentleman was probably trying to quote veni vidi vinci in the youtube comments and just forgot the rest. So I, wise and wide-eyed youth, replied to the comment with "I saw. I conquered." because I figured I might as well complete the quote for him. Then the guy replied "you. Who are you" (yes I have our conversation in the youtube comments memorized, I screenshotted it and came back to reread it often) and I, cool edgy youth (tm) that I was, replied with a mixture of lyrics from Seether and Nightmare Before Christmas -- "I am a whisper lost upon the wind. I am the wind blowing through your hair. I'm a star that's just a black hole now. I am the who when you call who's there" -- it went on for a while because I was an annoyingly theatrical child and I was having fun with it, and it still makes me laugh to read it back over. Anyways I ended the monologue with "I am Julius Caesar" to tie it back to the quote lol. Then, this man (I am assuming man based on his response) replied "you must be a dude even though your tag name says lady" *(my youtube name was and still is the name of my first d&d character, Lady Alfhildr. Anyways.) "not to offend you but 99% of the time when something is too good to actually be a chick it's not". So that's the story of how I got called too cool to be a girl on youtube, and it's still the first thing I think of when I see veni vidi vinci anywhere.
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indignantlemur · 3 months
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In need of knowledge: Andorian money systems? How do they work? What is the split (like a dollar being 100 cents)? Do they have banks? Interest (compounded/uncompounded)? What is the conversion rate to other currencies?
-Horta-in-Charge
Hey, Horta! Sorry about the delay, but I wanted to spend some time thinking about your question and bouncing a few ideas off of folks.
I'm going to come right out and say that I am not an economics major. It's not something I ever studied, and the one lecture I was compelled to attend on the subject was the first and only lecture I ever fell asleep during. Partly because the presenter was speaking in a flat monotone the entire time.
So, at this point, Emigre is taking place roughly 10-ish years after the last episode of ST:ENT, which means the Federation has had about that long to try to get on the same page. We know from later canon that the Federation uses credits, but Starfleet will also pay their members in latinum or latinum-adjacent currency if they're posted somewhere where credits are functionally worthless. That's way off in the future, however. Right now, the world of Emigre is one in which four wildly different species with wildly different economies are trying to agree on something that works for all of them.
It is, to put it bluntly, very slow-going. Humans and Vulcans are already functioning on the same credit-based system, since their development became closely intertwined early on, but the Tellarites and the Andorians use vastly different systems and are reluctant to change their ways without cause.
Historically, Pre-Unification Andorians used trade and barter systems between Clans, and each Clan had their own kind of currency. It was a mess, and more than one feud started up as a result of one Clan feeling that another shorted them on what was supposed to be a fair deal because they valued the two currency-forms differently. The only thing that was universally valued more-or-less equally across the Clans were metal ores and especially refined metals, and this ultimately expanded to include precious metals as well.
When the Imperial Clan dragged everyone kicking and screaming into a modern era, they imposed a new currency - the Imperial toog. Toog coins were thin strips of metal, rectangular and roughly the size of a small USB stick, imprinted with the Imperial Clan's insignia. The value of the toog was worked out to be the average value of a set amount of pure, refined precious metals based on traditional measurements. A single toog would weigh approximately 3.75g in Terran units, equivalent roughly in value to that of the same weight in silver. Smaller demarcations of toog, such as the zuu'toog (bit-coin) was worth 1/10th of the value of a toog, while larger demarcations such as the dol'toog (heavy coin) were worth 100 toog strips.
Given that Andorian and Terran engineering is at least somewhat compatible, it made sense to me that they use base-10 mathematics like we do. Otherwise, I can't imagine the Imperial Guard's Kumari and her crew's efforts to help repair the Enterprise during ST:ENT would have resulted in anything but shouting matches and possibly bloodshed. Ergo, their currency also functions on a base 10 model.
I'm going to be honest, this is largely for my own sanity at this point. Sometimes I look at numbers and they swim around a bit, and I'd really rather not. Just in general. No thank you.
As for banks, Andorians do have banks and interest, simple and compounded, and even some very interesting investment opportunities... but their paperwork is notoriously byzantine. Most outsiders and off-worlders prefer to stay with their own financial institutions wherever possible, rather than deal with the nightmare of trying to open an account with an Andorian bank.
In current-day Emigre 'verse, the Andorian people have begun to switch over to Federation credits. Credits aren't universally accepted everywhere on Andoria and quite a few folks would rather barter goods directly than take credits, but the transition is progressing reasonably well. The Federation credit-Andorian toog exchange rate is surprisingly decent, with the toog having slightly more economic weight at the moment and slowly, steadily dropping as credits become more predominant. Andorians rarely convert their currency to anything else but latinum otherwise, but they will deign to change Imperial toog for other Federation currencies upon special request - assuming you've filed the proper paperwork. The currency rate varies wildly, however, which the Andorian banks wash their hands of once the paperwork is completed. If you didn't like what you got for your toogs, why'd you go any change them to Tellarite marqs in the first place?
Side tidbit: Dagmar gets paid in credits, since she's a Federation citizen of Terran origin. Unfortunately, this means an extremely overworked finance specialist has to manually convert and transfer her paycheques, navigating the minefield that is interplanetary financial laws and regulations every month. Poor man.
Thanks for the ask! <3
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