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leconcombrerit · 2 months

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Phee is lying

I mentioned a theory of mine a few times (or is it hopeful thinking ?) and I decided I could share the big outline. I don't feel very legitimate making this post given that I'm one episode and a half behind, but then again I'm pretty sure I'd earn my clown costume either way.

Phee and Non's relationship : a carefully rushed framing

The cute montage at the beginning of episode 6 never sat well with me. DFF knows how to take its time ; how to develop characters, hint at dynamics without having to spell it out. And suddenly one of the most important relationships in the series is summed up in a five minutes montage ? Are you kidding me ? After that we get one scene (the bracelet one by the river) before their relationship starts to crumble upon the weight pressuring Non.

In other words, we get nothing. Most of my attachment for this couple stemmed from a) boundless joy at finally seeing someone, anyone on Non's side and b) Ta and Barcode eating ever single one of their scenes. Aside from this cute beginning, it's just Phee trying to help Non and Non not being mentally nor emotionally available for anything.

They could have done better. They could have shown us more. But they didn't. I know a common conception is that a montage with the occasional slo-mo fits the "first and naïve love" theme buuuuut I don't like it because I don't like it, sue me.

Let's see what they did show us first ; when you give so little, there's no room for triviality. And then I have just a few details I picked up on (or excavated and extrapolized like a mad scientist) that come feed my "Phee is a lying liar that lies" theory. But first, here goes a montage breakdown.

One : first in person meeting

There are several interesting points here. Phee is standing and bending to Non's level, Non is acting cute and waving his hand like a child would ; the groundwork of their relationship is laid down. Phee is the one taking care of Non. But what I found truly noteworthy is this :

"Do you wanna meet up ?"

Phee is taken aback by Non's suggestion. He clearly didn't expect him to do that. Except you don't have expectations for strangers or vague acquaintances. By that point, Phee and Non have been messaging for long enough for Phee to know Non quite well and for the both of them to smile like idiots upon meeting. How long exactly ? Nobody knows.

Two : perfect date and the start of a series of promises

Three or four shots of a traditional, happy date, what more could we ask for. Genuinely. Sad Non, abused Non, crying Non is brought back to a softer world. He earned this level of cliché and happiness. There's also the pinky finger promise ; that's what interests me the most, not as a singular instance but as the start of a pattern. Promises are a running theme in Phee and Non's relationship. As willing as Phee is to take oaths, he's quick to fail them -hell, just one episode prior he wasn't here for Non and it resulted in a suicide attempt. The situation with Keng isn't Phee's first failure.

Three : Non's home

Here Non is letting Phee in his home, his room -his life. And he does so with glee. We've seen beforehow Non tends to keepto himself. Jin has to try a lot and try hard to get him to open up a bit, so whatever happens here is meaningful.

Phee taking his manga from Non could be read as them not sharing common interests (unlike Jin, my imaginary public argues with a nod). I personally saw it as them being comfortable enough to do their own thing while sharing space, until Phee got bored. Or horny. Or both. No sex scenes are shown, which has to be intentional. Phee gets a graphic sex scene with Jin, Non gets a graphic sex scene with Keng -but none for Pheenon. There's enough suggestion that the audience will get the idea, and I haven't pinpointed what lies behind that choice, but it's definitely there. They go back and forth between tooth-rottingly cute and buying a house in the bone-zone.

Four : being each other's whole world

They're both giddy and running to find each other. Their families don't understand because they haven't told ; it's their own little world (and in Non's case probably his only happy place with no worries).

Five : the kiss scenes

The sensual aura that built up in all previous scenes reaches its peak here. Once again nothing is shown in terms of sex, yet you can feel the physical attraction just as well. I might be getting off the rails by saying that while they're honest, they also virtually keep things private. They show us the truth, but an amputated, rushed one.

Just like I suppose Phee gives Jin an amputated and rushed version of what happened.

Six : The river

Ah, yes, the river scene. I won't be talking about the longer one with the bracelet yet cause it's separate from the little glimpses we got so far (it has dialogue, for one). But this ? This is gold to my brain.

An apple. Not only are they both biting it, but Non's eyes are open and staring right at Phee, while Phee's are closed. Non is holding it too. Now I know the apple symbolism is a Chrisitian one and we're in Thailand, but that little detail struck me as odd when Phee and "Tan" were introduced :

We're entering full clown territory cause the cross was probably hung there like the curtains are probably just goddamn blue, but I added a badly drawn plan of how our brains read images, starting from top left corner (where the cross is) to skim over the middle in a downward axis to the bottom left (Fluke, Jin, the more innocent ones actually I just realized) and then to the bottom right. The cross is what we see first.

And then, wouldn't you know, our lovely apple comes back as New and Phee are discussing the boys -and where New is out to get them, Phee is already giving even Por the benefit of doubt. He's also keeping his left hand behind his back. I'll get back to Phee's left hand, but the apple comes first.

If the cross is any indication, and that we get two apples, then the first one that's set in the past, a flashback in a flashback, could be the Old Testament version, a fall from heaven ; and the second one that Phee is eating by himself, not blindly this time, could be the New Testament version as redemption from the original sin. Not to mention the greenery around them, almost like a garden.

"But then doesn't it mean that Phee, after falling for Non, starts to get redemption for failing him by saving the boys from New ?"

You know what, MAYHAPS. It could work, I guess. But same as the manga reading scene, it could go many ways. I personally think the redemption he longs for is redemption for having let Non down so badly. Besides, I don't think New is ready to kill people yet in that scene. He's just trying to gather evidence for now, and Phee knows it. So why defend those boys ? Jin I could understand, but Por ? And protect them from what, exactly ? Getting justice served and truth exposed for something they actually did ? If they're innocent, what's the rush in getting New to let go ?

Why wouldn't Phee be trying to keep New safe ?

Look it's not that far-fetched I swear. First I'm going with the fact that Phee knows Non is alive and got in contact with him somehow. One because I stand by my words, this is a face that calls for murder.

And two, the ring tattoo. I don't think it's a continuity error. And he just so happens to keep his arm hidden behind his back when trying to stir New into giving up on his search. As a sign he's actually carrying on Non's wish ? I'd love that.

Then someone in the group has to be in contact with the masked man, the ninth person, or else they wouldn't have known when to expect the group. Unless they literally live in those woods, which is also possible.

There's also a long post I'd started about how the show always plays by the rules, not even trying to be surprising in the decision it takes (A guy dying early on in a slasher, Phee being Non's boyfriend, Tan being New, both of them being part of the scheme) but pulling the rug off under our feet in the execution (no one else of importane having died after Por, quiet Tan being the one to murder people while decisive Phee is crying about, etc). Which gives me the feeling that it will be the same here and that Phee is much more of a mastermind than he's been whining on to Jin.

Speaking of Jin, it would also explain why Phee has been investigating him specifically. They might have been trying to determine if he'd done anything, had leaked the video or not. When push came to shove, Phee played the honesty card to get him to confess. And. He. Did.

Not to say Phee doesn't have genuine feelings for Jin, and that it doesn't make him feel torn and confused. But the fact that they banged right after Jin reminded him of Non more strongly also isn't something I'd ignore.

Anyway, I'm getting tired, short version :

Tl;dr :

I think Phee and Non's relationship was actually much stronger than we've been shown, that Phee knows Non is alive because he's the only person Non would have contacted and works with him. He was tasked with keeping New away from all this because Non doesn't want him to get hurt, but also doesn't trust him enough to tell him anything (remember that New was defined by his absence prior to Non's disappearance, only there to serve as a hurtful point of comparison, and that he wasn't close at all to Non to begin with, regardless of how much he regrets now ; I don't think Non factored New would go that far for him in his plan). The revenge plot is already underway for Non, and Phee is trying to keep things going the way they should.

Here it is. It was itching my brain and I slept very badly because of it, but I AM NOW FREE.

#dead friend forever #I don't know it was running in circles in my head #especially after seeing so many people boo Phee after ep 10 #It got my brain going 'hmmmm ain't that just too easy'#cause everyone seemed to think it was too easy indeed #it could just be Phee being a little stoopid yes but come. on.#what am I supposed to do with my braincells if I stop at that #dff the series

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sydneys-adamu · 4 months

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yes I have things to say about carmy and sydney and the endless endless themes of patience and communication and devotion both of them express to each other deeply rooted in an awkward meet cute and a loaded reunion the former uses to calm down when stressed, especially how this relates to their aversion to loneliness and goal to make the other feel as surrounded and loved as possible even when it isn’t always successful

but every time I start talking about it I’m just picturing myself shaking carmy’s shoulders till his eyes cross bc this man gives me the biggest headache I’ve ever had.

not you syd you’re doing great *hands her a rose*

#too much of the meta in my drafts is about claire and I’m tired of talking about her #and yknow the patience distinction between her and syd and the loneliness thing too #the loneliness epidemic with all of the characters is probably my favorite theme I could talk abt it all day #anyways ep 8 is fucking insane especially the first like 10 mins #tell me im wrong #sydcarmy #the bear

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diathadevil · 25 days

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Ohhhhhh that ending so solidified the anime adaptation in and of itself and made it very complete as a story (a little bit saddened since it doesn't feel like there might be season 2 with the way the ending changed from the the manga's plot points, at least not anytime soon until we get to some other arcs in the manga!)

Also ngl I kept re-watching some of the sign language scenes with Yuki and Itsu just because of how PRETTY the animation was for it. This anime honestly impressed me with the details in animation.

Man the anime did such a lovely job with its adaptation. I'd love to see at least an ONA or something with Yuki and Itsu and the gang giving us sign language lessons. I need to see more of them ughhhh.

I love A Sign of Affection sm y'all. This is my 10/10 anime this year.

#dia talks #yubisaki to renren #a sign of affection #spoilers #a sign of affection spoilers #yubisaki to renren spoilers #I am a little bit pedantic when it comes to the fact that they didn't bring an actual trilingual voice actor for Itsuomi #but honestly there's only so many voice actors you can find that fit that criteria (and one got recently cancelled so they dodges a bullet)#so even with my pedantic linguistic side I am genuinely pleased with how much vocal and sign languages and they added in this anime #and i also heard some of the background ones speak very fluently too especially for the german kids in the last ep so that was major points #anyway definitely a 9.5/10 which im rounding to 10/10 because i can and also 'cuz MAL doesn't use decimal scores for its user rating

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birdricks · 3 months

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just remembered the pheonixperson fight [walking into the ocean]

#litearllye very single fucking thing about it.#what did they do to you….#i loved her.#then you were always a bad friend.#never thought this was how id die.#and other memorable quotes.#i rlly hope if (WHEN.) they bring bp back they address his time as pp #bc its rlly quite horrifying. ik they did to some extent w rickternal friendshine #but theres a lot of layers to it that u cld still go into. especially the fact that hes probably 90% artificial now.#andddddd w birddaughter. pleaseeeee #but oh my god. really so heartbreaking for rick to spend all that time mourning bp #i mean. not technically canon but in the comics he mentions it A BUNCH #and then he finds out hes alive. but as a zombie who barely recognises him. and then he nearly kills rick.#its crazy to think that pp was a One episode thing technically #like he was in the post credits of another ep and it took a while to fix him #but for us the audience he was only in action for. 10 mins?#if that #but ohh… how long was he working for the federation behind the scenes…. i dread to think #and his memories now…. he like blew up his fucking mind. im curious how much he actually remmebers of it #ohhhh bp … 💖 pleaseeee please come back to us

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heartslobbf · 2 years

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the thing about rgu episodes 35&6 is its just like...... everything is veering towards a car crash but more than usual. and everyone is more aware of how car-crashy things are going to get than usual, but its like. no one is like ‘hey what if we didn’t get into a car crash though’, or if they are, they’re expressing that sentiment in the worst way possible (shoutout anthy and touga). you have so many tiny and horrendously fucked up moments in those episodes like juri saying utena ‘looks like a girl now’ and making miki consider whether or not that’s a ‘good’ thing, or utena falling asleep at the table with her earrings as anthy just Watches, or the scene where touga holds a carrot in various initially amusing and then promptly emotionally devastating ways as both he and the audience make a series of crushing realisations neither of us are totally comfortable accepting

its like. throughout all of this acknowledgement of ‘hm. this is bad’ everyone is filled with inaction. we are all trapped in our coffins!!! people are prosing but that’s about it. all of the student council know who end of the world is, and they don’t tell utena. im not blaming them for this because its masterful, compelling writing that serves to elevate the show and its themes, but i am pointing it out because what’s endlessly relevant in utena analysis is recognising when characters make choices that ohtori frames as a natural progression or event that is immutable. anthy and touga voice wow i cant believe at least one person has to die at the end of this duelling game, which we like have to do btw. yeah. what do you mean this is all constructed and therefore can be dismantled. oh my god im going to kill you what the fuck. i dont want to kill you. i dont know how else to get you out of this situation. guess ill try and remove you from the system, thereby proving it is a structure that can be left behind and undermining my fragile worldview ive believed to have kept me ‘safe’ all this time. why are you guys talking about coffins so much omgggggggg shut up shut up shut up

#one day ill write my essay about anthy and touga and their dynamics w nanami and utena. bc it makes me BONKERS #i mean generally one day ill write my anthy and touga essay bc its like. god im so autistic #theres a reason my pinned post is anthy's 'betrayal' theres a reason i have probably watched eps 35&6 the most #theres a reason im obsessed w aou's symbolism ESPECIALLY in the movie manga actually #anyway normal normal normal (lie) (am thinking about birdcages and eggs)#remember in episode 11 when touga was like hey anthy one day im going to own the key to this birdcage that youre in. and its like #touga. touga youre in the birdcage too rn #touga kiryuu will be like if a chick cannot hatch from its egg's shell it will die without being born 10 minutes later me and the coffin <3 #and then u have anthy loml anthy the character of all time..... cannae even make little jokes about her arc bc its like. Oh #have u ever killed something good for u just to be certain ure the reason u can no longer have it..........#have you ever died and been dying over and over again have you ever been so numb and yet so angry. so bitter. so resenting.#everything the same over and over and over again. and then something changes a bit. wahhhhhhhhhhhh #i PROMMY i am normal about anthy himemiya (i cant think about her without crying)#revolutionary girl utena #rgu #shut up daisy

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lilidawnonthemoon · 7 months

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#CLASSIC ALREADY!!!#this will be stuck in my head for months #can’t stop rewatching the scene #the full version is so good and Steve Martin killed it!#the reactions especially Detective William’s haha #this week’s episode was 10/10 absolutely incredible #I’ve been enjoying this season so much but ep 8 was definitely the best #some GOOD good television 💯#OMITB #only murders in the building #soundtrack #Hulu #Spotify

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bonesandthebees · 5 months

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man I'm glad I decided to read a game of thrones as a way to take notes for how to write rose... I just read about a huge battle with thousands of soldiers and it was so well done... now am I going to write a battle? no fucking way I don't hate myself that much but I know HOW to execute it in a very easy to visualize way and that's what's important

#also i'm just enjoying the book guys i literally tried watching one ep of the show and i was so furious at the changes they made #like are there issues with the way the book treats female characters yes but does it treat them INFINITELY BETTER THAN THE SHOW also yes #especially catelyn stark she's probably my favorite character so far #those showrunners just really hated women it's so fucking obvious #anyway my goal is to finish this book in the next few days #i have been slowly chipping away at it since february of this year #I want to specify i have actually picked up and read this book less than 10 times total this year #so like yes it's slow going but i am not a slow reader i just dont actually pick up the damn book a lot #i wanna get back into reading books more i am trying over here #anyway sorry for all the rambling in the tags i am so tired #ramblings

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cerealmonster15 · 1 year

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this wasnt supposed to be a page about oakworthy scenes but thats what ended up happening lol. dialogue i havent seen in fanart as much but cant stop thinking about!!!

like. hello?!?!?!?

also lincoln and taylor are here :3

#dndads #normal oak #hermie the unworthy #oakworthy #taylor swift dndads #lincoln li wilson #dungeons and daddies #should i even tag lincoln and taylor if theyre like 10% of this page. SURE #cereal tries to draw #anyway. hermie said he thought they were special. SPECIAL!!!!!!#and the little bitter 'i knew it >.>' IS SO FUNNY TO ME #HES STILL JEALOUS god . jskdlfjs #sorry im just rotating these little guys in my mind at top speed i cant stop thinkin about them #hermie barely is ever on screen but when he is. omg. shakes him sdkljfsdlkj #funny little theater kid #and his weird mascot will they wont they partner #THEY WILL. I BELIEVE IN THEM.#ik they probs looked more beaten down in like.#well really all of em but especially ep 22 #but im laaaaaaazy and didnt wannaaaaaaa im sorryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy #mostly i just couldnt remember what exact context of fights theyd been thru for each #or like what they were wearing #im so so so lazy about clothes im SORRYYY

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theinfinitedivides · 8 months

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the way proper subs aren't even out for some of y'all and you're already talking sh*t on MDL about whatever decision Gil Chae makes in ep 9 based on the comments of those who watched it without subs......... i can smell the misogyny from here

#tv: my dearest #my dearest #mbc my dearest #namgoong min #nam goong min #ahn eun jin #kdrama #local gay watches My Dearest (and is subsequently f*cked up).txt #local gay watches k-dramas.txt #look i still haven't seen the episode but #wow ok maybe we shouldn't be literally slandering her rn especially since yk. she has to f*cking survive #my concern is the rumors of the ep 10 preview with Ryang Eum THAT is what has my stomach in a knot #if by the way they're talking it's more of an 'oh you're f*cked' thing and not a repeat of the scene in the marketplace with the #dagger attempt then we have to worry. this is My Dearest y'all came in expecting angst and you're mad now. aight #i'm still breaking into their house if anything happens to my gay son in the last ep of part one that does not include #him possibly being the psychiatric patient we saw in the first ep. i can live with that. i can't live with some of the other options #(local gay says as they already open up the notes app and start writing about said preview that they also have not seen)

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allthisheaven2 · 7 months

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lorelais weird beef with jess in s2 is like. u are a grown woman. moreover the weird bit where she kinda sorta prioritizes her daughter's whiny bf over her actual daughter is. u are a grown woman and that is a teenage manchild.

#watching s2 ep19 rn which is like. lorelai 'i can't lie to dean why are you asking me to lie to dean' its like.. i know everyone and their #mother on this website says it that deans clinginess and anger borders on emotional abuse and lorelai encourages it? sort of? and its so #annoying. especially in this episode where its like so insane that rory doesn't say something about it. then again i guess it doesn't go #in line with the writers' dean most perfect bf alive shtick. but if u want him to be perfect then write him better and less annoying?#also lorelais hatred hatred of a 17yo kid is sooo strange when they have her as this totally understanding empathetic adult and she suddenl #can't empathize with the kid who is arguably the most like her and maybe needs it the most. so ooc. and annoying.#PLUS most especially her freak out at luke after the car accident is sooo #batshit insane yelling at luke that he has an obligation to rory and her over his nephew its like. hm. are u fr. also acting like a hairlin #fracture is the most terrible thing to ever happen ever!!! get a grip its so annoying how she goes on and on about it like its catastrophic #i get the overreacting mother bit. obviously. but this is still so stupid insane.#i love lorelai but this ep is her worst maybe. on par with the s7 arc #and speaking of christopher hayden is sooo smarmy and disgusting acting like superdad for one and a half episode before he fucks off to be #a dickhead again. so annoying that my most beloved episode ever is so annoying in its last 10 minutes

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astarlightmonbebe · 4 months

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curious about where they’re going with this…

#star stumbles #cdrama #star shots #a journey to love #ep 10 #since last ep we were told they are ‘close’ apparently #wondering if ltg is deliberately trying to build something up or nah #not sure what the reason is …#especially considering the toss up about ltg’s blood #so it seems like he would want to distance himself from wu #but who knows. he plays the long game #he looks so tired and frazzled here though

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liptonrm · 7 months

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Lots to say about the finale but LOVE how the battle couldn't have been won without all of the EF5 (and Elayne). Love that for us.

#fantastic job r2j2 no notes #i mean a few notes #but mostly the season needed like two more eps minimum #a 10 episode season would've made this ep especially feel less rushed #but srsly great job #wheel of time #wot show spoilers

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atlasshrugd · 2 years

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you know what...i been thinking. i’ve seen lots of ppl say that kinn gave porsche many warnings to stay away from vegas. but im trying to remember when did kinn actually express to porsche that vegas was a legitimate threat. like correct me if im wrong but. going off vegas and porsche’s first interaction, kinn called him up and said “if it’s unnecessary don’t interact with the minor family,” to which porsche asked why, but kinn didn’t give an answer. porsche says “if he is nice to me i will be nice to him. manners, you know?” then the next time porsche interacts with vegas it’s at the club, after porsche is hurt by kinn and vegas takes him on the bike. when porsche comes back kinn tells him again “what did i tell you about interacting with the minor family” and then porsche says “at least they haven’t harmed me.” at this point, porsche sees vegas/the minor family as something that hasn’t harmed him personally, whereas kinn/the major family has. porsche has a straightforward view like this.

then the next interaction is when porsche is sent to work with the minor family while kinn is injured. porsche works w vegas and then kinn questions him about having too much of a good time, to which porsche says, “are you actually interested, or are you just jealous?” at this point porsche basically thinks kinn and vegas have a competitive cousin relationship based on jealousy, which he taunted kinn about. bc he has never actually heard about anything that vegas has done. nobody including kinn told porsche why vegas was bad (e.g. he doesn’t know that vegas slept with all of kinn’s exes). when kinn says “do you know why there are 2 families? bc they need the competition,” it only solidifies in porsche’s mind that vegas/kinn have a purely competitive relationship and not a directly antagonistic one.

he has only ever seen them exchange passive aggressive remarks (hot pot scene in ep 4) and point guns at each other when kinn sees vegas kissing him. again, kinn becomes violent because he’s jealous of vegas touching what is his (porsche). other than these two instances he has not seen them interact and he has not seen or heard vegas do anything dodgy aside from wanting to piss off kinn sometimes. remember we as the audience see more than the characters. so by the time vegas sits with him at the pool, he doesn’t think anything of it and forgives vegas for drunkenly kissing him. and by the time vegas comes to break him out, porsche trusts him enough to run away because he was left in the dark by everyone else.

therefore. i am not that surprised or mad that porsche believed vegas. i don’t think porsche trusted him either (he even says “why should i trust you, vegas?” and doesn’t look convinced after), but he probably saw that vegas was his only way out if he was going to stop tawan from manipulating kinn. porsche did not trust kinn to know about tawan’s manipulations, and kinn did not tell him that he knew. therefore porsche is left in the dark with only one person (who has only been kind to him) to help him. in his mind, kinn is not an option bc he believes he has been compromised by tawan - again, because he does not know of kinn’s plan.

so correct me if im wrong. but porsche has not been given a reason to distrust vegas. kinn warned him maybe twice and it was only about not interacting with the minor family, without giving him any reasons. all of the interactions between kinn and vegas that porsche has seen have been pettily competitive (them trying to one-up each other, being jealous over porsche). but porsche has never seen vegas as a threat nor been given a reason to think he was one, aside from kinn’s vague remarks.

#lmk if this makes sense bc im just vomiting my thoughts out bc it just came to me #so many ppl on twitter are shitting on porsche for leaving w vegas #which i get bc i hated it too #but then it got me thinking #if porsche didn't know there was a plan AND had no context of vegas's crimes then its not that wild that he believed him #especially when he felt like he had no other way out/no choice #kinnporsche #kinnporsche ep 10 #kinnporsche meta #kinnporsche spoilers #kinnporsche discourse #porsche pachara #mine

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