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britcision · 5 months
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Anyway in case anyone was wondering why I do firmly aver I did not get to DPxDC from DC and am not a DC fan despite having consumed all of the Harley Quinn and Suicide Squad runs up to 2018
(And have an exciting grab bag of shows, movies, and assorted trivia under my belt besides
Batman vs Dracula was fucking great fight me)
It’s because DC as a whole is hostile as fuck to the concept of being a casual fan
(And about 90% of the main heroes annoy the hell out of me for the very tropes that DC is known and praised for in their heroes I am here for villains, antiheroes, and sidekicks exclusively)
There is no such thing as consistent characterization, especially as you consume more content or fall down a rabbit hole, and the rabbit holes are ENDLESS
Everyone cameos everywhere else, referential jokes are often dropped in as Easter eggs for people who have read every single other DC comic put out in the same decade and yet within the same comics you get glaringly inconsistent characterization and different retcons for the same events
Big stories are retold and retconned every couple years, we got 3 separate Spiderman origin movies and the exact same Batman origin in more than half the live action movies; DC PAYS PEOPLE to make up their own different versions of canon events
There is a REASON that the Marvel and DC cinematic universes are both officially divorced from comic canon; the sheer volume of canon content is inaccessible to most of the population, and DC and Marvel know it
That’s why the New 52 was a big divorce from all previous canon too - it’s an on ramp for new fans, because sorting through the web of old content is off putting as fuck
It’s the one thing not a single DC fan I’ve spoken to who complained about “canon characterization” has bothered defending or even acknowledging, and yet it has been the core of all of their arguments:
“Canon is what I want it to be, not what any of the sources say”
And listen, I was a Torchwood fan, we were the archetypal example of “canon only happened if I acknowledge it” (so sad that show ended after only two seasons and nothing else ever happened again Children of Earth who), you just gotta acknowledge that that’s what you’re doing
But you frankly cannot have a serious conversation about canon characterization with someone who does not acknowledge entire swaths of canon and cannot understand why that makes their argument completely invalid
Any kind of conversation about the “right” characterization for a DC character necessarily has to involve the acknowledgement that it’s your personal preferred characterization, not a One True Canon, because I guarantee there are canon incidents for every single big name and most of the small ones that directly counter the ones you like
You may note I share a bunch of posts with things like “My Batman would never do this”, as opposed to “canon Batman would never do this”
Hell, on Batman specifically there are hundreds of beautifully put together posts talking about how the different canon runs get him wrong; I too prefer a Bruce Wayne who does genuinely care about his family and tries to protect them, but isn’t perfect or always right over the massive asshole elitist who just grunts and treats them like soldiers
Canon Batman slaps his kids around, it’s the meme that broke containment and you don’t have to like it or accept it as something your Batman would do!
But it’s still canon
Both versions have a massive well of canon support, and exist simultaneously in the multiverse
Every single characterization of a character is true and exists in the multiverse
And that is why the idea of a “canon version” of any DC character is utterly meaningless
TL;DR: write DC characters however the fuck you want and do not worry about it for more than 10 minutes together, that is what the paid DC writing staff do
There will be at least two pieces of canon media to back up whatever interpretation of the character you pick
Not everyone will like that characterization or agree with how you see the character, and that is all fine and good! But “canon” is meaningless in this context, neatly encapsulated by the “multiverse” explanation
Everything is canon, which means that nothing is canon
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mar64ds · 1 year
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jevil and everyman friendship :)
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punkrockmixtapes · 1 month
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The Everymen - Forgettable
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tomwambsmilk · 11 months
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There’s probably a whole broader conversation to be had about TV in particular as a medium that has been so thoroughly shaped by capitalism bc the scale of the distribution technology has relegated it to major studio networks (at least prior to the advent of YouTube, and even that’s so young there still isn’t an indie tv world of the same scale as the indie film world). And also bc TV networks are predominantly advertiser funded, which means shows for most of television history were handpicked to appeal to the demos advertisers were trying to reach (which for much of TV history was middle class white women, because the assumption was those women controlled household spending and had the most disposable income). HBO had a radical impact on TV history because it was subscription funded rather than ad funded, and pulled most of those subscribers by trying to appeal to demos which the TV networks neglected, which means it had more creative freedom. But even so, in order to fund its work which was more artistically driven it relied (at least in the early days) on the creation of R-rated, gratuitous shocker television to bring in subscribers who were dissatisfied with network TV (mostly middle class white men).
But so much of how we understand and analyze television is rooted in that history of it predominantly being a vehicle for advertising, something that really only began to change once we entered the “Prestige TV era” of the late 90s and early 2000s and more cable network shows began to achieve commercial dominance and artistic acclaim. And so with TV more than any other art form I think there’s a real sense of “TV should be catered to my personal interests and desires rather than pursuing any sort of broader message or more ambitious storytelling” that’s a) somewhat unconscious and b) still to a certain extent supported by advertiser-funded network TV, and it can make discussion and analysis of TV difficult. Because the truth is what makes a good network TV show is fundamentally different from what makes a good cable TV show, because the medium is the message, and also because the intent for a TV show is always to maximize a studio’s profitability, and that looks different in different mediums.
(And on top of that - the fact that there’s no indie TV community means there isn’t the kind of influence on the studios that the indie film community has on film studios. There’s no indie-TV-creator-to-studio-TV-creator pipeline, and TV creators tend to be pulled from a very small circle of ‘pedigreed’ industry names.)
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tillman · 1 year
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I love everymen I think a character created to make fun of everymen type characters will always be the peak I will always eat that shit up
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for a moment, imagine if the first half of The Immortals was directed by Guy Ritchie.
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writing-with-sophia · 9 months
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Common character archetypes in literature
Character archetypes are universal patterns of behavior, personality traits, and motivations that are commonly found in literature, mythology, and other forms of storytelling. They are often used as a shorthand to help readers quickly understand and relate to a character's role and purpose in the story.
Here are some common character archetypes:
The Hero: The hero is a brave and noble character who goes on a quest or journey to achieve a goal or overcome a challenge. Examples of heroes include Odysseus in Homer's "The Odyssey" and Frodo in J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings."
The Villain: The villain is an evil character who opposes the hero and tries to prevent them from achieving their goal. Examples of villains include Darth Vader in "Star Wars" and Iago in Shakespeare's "Othello."
The Mentor: The mentor is a knowledgeable and seasoned figure who directs and encourages the protagonist throughout their adventure. Examples of mentors include Gandalf in "The Lord of the Rings" and Obi-Wan Kenobi in "Star Wars."
The Trickster: The trickster is a mischievous character who uses their wit and cunning to achieve their goals. Examples of tricksters include Loki in Norse mythology and Hermes in Greek mythology.
The Damsel in Distress: The damsel in distress is a female character who requires saving from a hero. Examples of damsels in distress include Princess Peach in the Mario video game series and Sleeping Beauty in the fairy tale of the same name.
The Wise Old Man/ Woman: The wise old man or woman is commonly portrayed as having immense wisdom and expertise, and often acts as a mentor or guide to the protagonist. Examples of wise old men and women include Dumbledore in the Harry Potter series and the Oracle in Greek mythology. Such archetypes have been frequently employed in literature over time to communicate universal themes and concepts about human existence.
The Innocent: The innocent is a pure and uncorrupted character who often serves as a symbol of hope and goodness. Examples of innocents include Dorothy in "The Wizard of Oz" and Boo Radley in "To Kill a Mockingbird."
The Outcast: The outcast is a character who is rejected by society and often feels a sense of alienation or isolation. Examples of outcasts include Frankenstein's monster in Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein" and Hester Prynne in Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Scarlet Letter."
The Temptress: The temptress is a seductive female character who lures men into danger or temptation. Examples of temptresses include Circe in Greek mythology and the character of Delilah in the Bible.
The Scapegoat: The scapegoat is a character who is blamed for the problems or issues of others. Examples of scapegoats include Tom Robinson in "To Kill a Mockingbird" and Piggy in "Lord of the Flies."
The Rebel: The rebel is a character who challenges authority and often advocates for change. Examples of rebels include Winston Smith in George Orwell's "1984" and Holden Caulfield in J.D. Salinger's "The Catcher in the Rye."
The Everyman: The everyman is a relatable character who represents the average person and often serves as the protagonist in a story. Examples of everymen include Bilbo Baggins in "The Hobbit" and Winston Smith in "1984."
The Wise Fool: The wise fool is often portrayed as someone who appears to be simple-minded, foolish, or even insane, but who possesses insights and wisdom that are not immediately apparent to others. Examples of the wise fools include the protagonist in "Diary of a Madman" and Yorick in "Tristram Shandy".
The preceding list outlines the typical character archetypes found in literature. Can you determine which archetype best fits your characters?
If you want to read more about The Wise Fool archetype, click here: The Wise Fool - Who is that?
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mydaddywiki · 21 days
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Kevin Dunn
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Physique: Husky Height: 5' 10" (1.78 m)
Kevin Dunn (born August 24, 1955-) is an American actor who has appeared in supporting roles in a number of films and television series since the 1980s. Dunn's roles include White House Communications Director Alan Reed in the political comedy Dave, U.S. Army Colonel Hicks in the 1998 version of Godzilla, Sam Witwicky's father Ron in the Transformers film series, Oscar Galvin in the 2010 action thriller Unstoppable, and misanthropic White House Chief of Staff Ben Cafferty in Veep. He has also had recurring roles on True Detective in 2014 and on the TV series adaptation of The Mosquito Coast in 2021.
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Genial, slightly stocky with a pleasant (if unremarkable) countenance, Dunn cut his chops playing everymen in movies and one-shot television episodes. Although clean-shaven for most roles, he can grow an surprisingly cute beard on him. I normally don't like beards but he just has the sweetest face I have ever seen with or without it.
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Other than being married with a child, I know absolutely nothing else of his personal life. Anyway, he may be straight, but he does look every inch a big fuckable bear.
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RECOMMENDATIONS: Veep (TV Series) - shirtless Law & Order (TV Series) S15.E21 Publish and Perish (2005) - shirtless 1492: Conquest of Paradise (1992) - shirtless
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punkeropercyjackson · 3 months
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Liberal brain:It's important to humanize fascist/cop/etc characters because irl ones are not inhuman monsters but people like you and me and the transformation from a good person into one of them can happen to anyone
Punk brain:Fascists,cops and other equivalents shouldn't humanized because their beliefs and following actions inherently rely on dehumanizing minorities so it's unfair and just plain objectively incorrect to put us on the same level.In real life,women and trans folks and disabled people and especially poc(and so forth)don't have the privilige to cope with our trauma by ruining society and committing acts of abuse and other violence to get at the world for hurting us without consequences.Irl corrupted authorities are almost always not 'everymen' but those with high places in society like cis men and ableds and especially white (gentile) people who use their positions to their advantage.'Fascists are people too' is propaganda
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Round 4 (Semi-Finals) Group B
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Shinji Ikari vs Tadano Hitohito
Reasons for being generic + Propaganda below
Shinji Ikari
Reasons:
- Messy black hair - Whiny - Has a tsundere friend - "Friend" - Wears the most boring fucking clothing
Normcore king. He is just A Guy. He’s the first character I thought of when I saw your intro post. 
Most normal kid with depression and abandonment issues ever (and I say this very lovingly). His hair is brown and short with generic bangs, his eyes are brown. Literally just some guy (before the horrors (tm)) His default outfit is black shirt, white dressing shirt, black pants, white shoes (which is also his school uniform)
He just wants to go to high school, have weird feelings about girls, and brood about his relationship with his father. He does not want to get in the fucking robot
He’s a teenager with short black hair and a button up top and uniform pants. Given the iconic status of NGE, I wouldn’t be surprised if Shinji’s design served as a basis for every generic modern mecha/isekai series to come after.
Propaganda:
Your honor, he's so dislikable
He deserves a win after going through the horrors(tm). I know a lot of people don't like Shinji BECAUSE he's "too generic/depressed to be a main character" but if anything that should make him win. He's my blorbo ok? He was literally just some guy who one day got the fate of the world in his hands out of nowhere and when he reasonably is like "yo I'm like super depressed, this is only making me more mentally ill than I already was" everyone goes "ok, pussy much? Call the wambulance" and I think he deserved better. Also he's gay (or at the very least bisexual), so like diversity win. Let him win. Also if he wins we can all say "Congratulations, Shinji" like in the anime
One of the classic 90s anime everymen
Roasts of his design aside, Shinji is a genuinely great and fascinating protagonist. His struggles with depression, identity, self worth and hedgehogs dilemma are compelling to watch and, for a then socially anxious teenage me, were at times crushingly relatable. He’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but he still has a place in my heart.
Tadano Hitohito
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Just a good bean. Like a kidney bean
his name is LITERALLY a play on the japanese equivalent of the phrase "just some guy". he is DESIGNED to be a generic-ass dude. everything about him is comically average.
Propaganda:
No propaganda submitted for this character
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vaguely-concerned · 7 days
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patron saint of sorely tried everymen everywhere
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chamerionwrites · 9 months
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My brain is too mushy rn to articulate more than vague notes to self, but something something the commonality of protagonists who are basically unformed everymen and thus less interesting than all the supporting characters in their own story. Something something sometimes this is about trying to make protagonists who are blandly '''relatable''' but I think often it's just an easy route to narrative dynamism (or an attempt at it) because it leaves so much room for change and growth. Something something there's nothing inherently wrong with this storytelling framework, in fact it can work really well, but in aggregate it can get really tedious when stories are saturated with protagonists who age like Olympic gymnasts (hearing the Call To Adventure at 25 makes you OLD) and are orphans with zero family ties, outsiders with little connection to or context for the setting in which the story takes place, and/or just plain old naive/politically apathetic/weirdly bland and unfinished. Like I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with that kind of youthful blank slate of a protagonist. But I do sometimes get the impression that some writers (maybe unconsciously) limit themselves to a particular kind of character arc that they have absorbed as The Most dynamic and interesting way to tell a story, but which can actually come off as pretty flat and formulaic.
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vaultedthewall · 25 days
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Chronicles of Amber Fancast
Prefacing this with what I actually want from a Chronicles of Amber series is that tweet about not actually wanting an all star cast but ten unknowns and a scriptwriter that is deeply unwell. But if I'm gonna pick and choose big name actors here is who I would like based mostly on vibes, attractiveness (to me), and the likelihood it would really upset certain subreddits. AKA everything important in life. Mainly just the children of Oberon in the first five books bc it's already long enough as is.
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Corwin - Oscar Isaac
Charismatic enough to make me forget how much I fucking hate Corwin, also he can sing. Thanks to Moon Knight we know he can totally rock "Protag who is just as confused as the audience as to what is going on" which is v important for Nine Princes In Amber.
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Benedict - Idris Elba
Tall, 100% Done With This Family's shit, can carry the vibes of someone who only doesn't have the throne because he doesn't want it and everyone agrees if that was different he'd just have it.
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Eric - Taika Waititi
Can balance both absolute piece of trash bag of dicks while still being charismatic which is really what's important about Eric.
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Deirdre - Kali Reis
You want a battle maiden you'll get a battle maiden. If anything the main problem here is there's no way on god's green earth you could convince me she'd need Corwin and/or Random to come to her rescue for anything, but hey adaptations are for changing things.
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Fiona - Sophie Turner
For all the redheads I thought it'd be important to pick people who normally play affable everymen/heroes/people you're used to seeing as goodguys, even if the nature of adapting a book series that's older than most of the people you'd cast in it means the 'big twist' of who the traitors are is something everyone sees coming. So someone well practiced at ingenues would be perfect for the actual baddest bitch in charge.
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Bleys - K. J. Apa
We're gonna give him a better dye job than Riverdale though okay I promise.
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Brand - Jack Quaid
Absolutely 'just this guy you know' vibes. Easy to overlook. Would YOU believe he was the big bad? Come on.
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Llewella - Halle Bailey
Yes I'm making a Little Mermaid joke, try and stop me. But also given how shafted she was in the books I think it's important to use someone who can do a lot with having few speaking lines (though hopefully again that would be fixed in an adaptation)
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Caine - Vico Ortiz
Literally I just want to watch them doing all the scenery chewing bullshit you know Caine has to get up to while they are manipulating and spycrafting their way through shit. Can fully believe they'd pull a finding a copy of themself to kill and leave so people don't know they're still around behind the scenes. Especially in their Blackbeard fit, come on.
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Julian - Conrad Ricamora
Did I just cast my absolute most favorite Mister Darcy as my number one blorbo Julian? Call the fucking cops on me idgaf. His resting bitch face and sarcasm are second to none. Also watch Fire Island (2022) on Hulu.
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Gérard - Jason Momoa
Along with being the biggest canon kinda implies he's also the hottest of all of Oberon's sons so absolute massive dreamboat Jason Momoa it is. Also for the lolz of him and Vico being the navy people.
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Florimel - Jamie Clayton
Did you ever see a woman so beautiful you started crying?
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Random - Bex Taylor-Klaus
They can absolutely go through the journey of youngest sibling in the jester position/fuckup because who cares > most responsible one after all.
BONUS
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Bill Roth - Wil Wheaton
Look I adore his narration of the last five Amber books!!! I want him somewhere so the reliable chillax lawyer from earth who somehow just rolls with becoming the family lawyer for what amounts to gods of reality. I know I said I actually want a bunch of unknowns for the actual series but I will cry at whoever I must to make this happen. Please.
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punkrockmixtapes · 1 year
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The Everymen - Forgettable
RIP Colin
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do you know about the hybrids and the everymen not being able to see the words and the tribe of the twelfth and the marbles of the horners and the verse of slender
[i think i know you mr 🕴]
UNFORTUNATELY, YES. I DO.
[YOU BEING ANONYMOUS DOES NOT HELP ME KNOW IF I KNOW YOU OR NOT. BUT YOU DO I GUESS]
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tobiasdrake · 7 months
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I hate driving out to pick up dinner because it always leaves me alone with my thoughts. So now I need to talk about Barbie for a moment.
You know what gets me about the whole "Barbie is everything; He's just Ken" thing? Like. It's funny because this is already how people write male and female characters. They're just doing it from a female perspective, making "She is Everything" into the actual protagonist.
This kind of thing is already all over the place in media primarily created by men. Male characters who are utterly boring and have the personality of cardboard by design because that makes them easier to project onto, and female characters who are the most awesome and most desirable thing imaginable.
So often, men are written to be Everymen, while women are written to be desirable Waifus. Men, especially leading men, are often restricted to two or three stock character designs. Women are created to be interesting and compelling agents of the plot, deeply inter-woven with the story... but then disallowed from actually doing much of anything. Sometimes they even die so that a boring man can be sad for a little bit.
She is the princess of a space empire locked in a deep and destructive civil war, whose fate will determine the future for billions of lives! And he's just some guy.
She is a battle-hardened warrior from an indigenous tribe of people being colonized by wicked imperial forces, seeking a sacred ancient power that will save her people. And he's just some guy.
She's been spending every single day of her life honing the sacred art, training hard for the singular goal of one day surpassing her master and taking his place as the supreme champion. And he's just some guy.
Barbie is everything, but he's just Ken. The only thing the Barbie movie really did any differently in this regard was that it denied Ken an artificially inflated level of inherent narrative specialness.
I wish writers wrote men to be even half as interesting as they write women. And I wish they gave women even half as much agency over the story as they give men. I really, truly do.
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