After reading so many posts i've noticed a lot of ppl shit on aang because he doesn't fit ur (western) idea of masculinity & attractiveness uhm
And the facts that they are children it doesn't matter
yes I say this often. it’s also funny bc they rly have to contort zuko to fit that ideal as well. the most egregious example of course being making his scar smaller and less noticeable, but also just in terms of his demeanor and comportment. if anything i respect ppl who lust after iroh because THAT’S a red-blooded ladies’ man who can both destroy and create life. obviously not my cup of tea (sorry), but i nonetheless respect irohfuckers; they know what they want, and i admire that.
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Okay, so I was re-reading your Slider one-shot for like the twentieth time, and what really struck me (beyond the brilliance of your writing, and the way you’ve presented the disillusionment of growing up, expecting the world to be a certain way, only to realize that life doesn’t quite work out the way you think it will, when you’re seventeen), is the casual sexism just tossed ‘round by our main characters!! :o We have canonical evidence of both Ice and Mav being pretty sexist (what with “the plaque for the alternates is in the ladies’ room” and the downright stalker-ish behavior exhibited by Mav at the O-club…), but it still surprised me a lil’ when twenty-y/o Ice was just like: “The Soviet Union did the impossible and taught women to drive” —and I realized that ah, he truly was born in 1959, or something. There’s little scenes throughout your story where I find myself wondering, which one of them is better, in this sense: When Ice tells Mav that Sarah isn’t talking to him ‘cause of his combat kills, justifies it by saying: “You know how women are”, and Mav tells him all women aren’t the same… I thought that maybe, it was Mav; but then later, Ice shows a distinctive amount of empathy for Juno, sees and respects her for the skilled pilot that she is… and I thought that maybe, it’s Ice after all—he does seem to be more progressive and accepting than Mav, in general? It also made me wonder, that if either of them had been a woman, would they even have respected the other person enough to consider them to be a rival??—or would it have a been a mildly-amusing circus side show for them, to have a female pilot at TOPGUN?
Ty for the ask anon!! ice is more socially progressive than mav yes.
But—maybe this is my experience growing up in one of the bluest counties in Commiefornia and then going to one of the most leftist-coded colleges in one of the most leftist-coded cities in The World; uhh, even if a white man votes D all the time & has professional respect for women/minorities to their faces etc, get him in a room with a bunch of other white men, especially in a masculine and competitive environment like the gym or the navy, and uh. progressive or not, what you get is a lot of “The Soviet Union did the impossible & taught women to drive.”
And it was the 1980s. (As a reminder, in top gun’s 1986, less than 45% of Americans even approved of interracial marriage.) It sucks to say it, but if Ice was making fun of Cougar for quitting the navy cause of his psych issues such as they may be, and openly calling bullshit on Maverick’s MiG story in front of everyone, I am quite confident in saying he Would Not respect a female pilot to her face—if they were the same rank. At the same rank, it’s a competition. All weaknesses, even perceived biological ones, are to be exploited and called to attention. —But, once he’s advanced in rank, proven his own superiority, he’s more inclined to favor a meritocratic “sex doesn’t matter just fly good” attitude, ergo his relationship w/ “Juno” (she’s just a literary symbol to show that Ice may have respect for other minorities in the Navy “your career speaks for itself” but NOT FOR HIMSELF as a closeted man). This “who cares about gender/race just fly good” attitude is probably where 50s+ Maverick lands too, which is why no issues with Phoenix.
but jesus GOD maverick is a sexist in the original Top Gun. That’s why I wrote the prologue to WWGATTAI—a part of me definitely believes both he and Ice are definitively queer, but a part of me also wonders, are they just also conditioned to dismiss women as intellectual/societal equals because of their time in the 1980s male-dominated Navy? CAN they really only have a truly equal relationship with another man? I have no idea what my Ice’s sexual orientation is for exactly this reason. Yes, he’s functionally gay by the end of it, and that’s what I keep calling him—but sexuality is fluid & complicated. It’s definitely more-than possible he’s mostly straight and it’s just the circumstances of his wildly intense trauma-bond relationship with Maverick that led to their relationship as I wrote it. If you don’t LIKE/understand/respect women, and only feel at home/excited by committing acts of male-typified violence with the few men you respect, how does that bend your definition of the word straight? ...its still straight, but only straight-ish!
not to take it a step further, but WHY ELSE is canon maverick single in TGM? he canonically can’t make it work with women until he retires from the navy!!! he doesnt know how!!! His military environment is not conducive to normal long-term relationships with civilian women!!!
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pep & klopp respect masterlist
things pep has said about klopp:
"the best manager in the world ... who creates teams attacking from the back four" (x)
"class manager, top manager ... incredible challenge for me" (x)
"jurgen is an exceptional person" and an "exceptional manager" (x)
on klopp calling him the best manager in the world: "i would like to tell you i am the best, but i'm not" (x)
"[he] makes the world of football a better place to live" (x)
"what he produces in world football is exceptional" (x) (x)
"his message is always positive ... his behaviour, smiling, hugging, is so good for football" (x)
"jurgen is a winner" (x)
"jurgen is a competitor" (x)
"that's why i admire him so much" (x) (x)
"i admire a lot the job from jurgen" (x) (x)
"he is the rival who has made me think about how to beat him the most" (x)
"when i will be retired ... i will remember the rivalry, the biggest opponent was liverpool for sure" (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x)
"jurgen has been, as a manager, the biggest rival i've ever had in my career" (x) (x) (x)
"he makes me a better manager" (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) and "we are not friends" but "someday we will have dinner together" (x)
"i think [our relationship] is really good" and "he could invite me to make dinner together" (x)
"we know each other quite well" (x) (x) (x)
"he took care of me" and "how gentle he was" (x)
"i start to read and i start to think liverpool, jurgen klopp" (x at 40:55)
"i don't have his beautiful smile" (x)
"jurgen, he's a master of [hugging]" (x)
things klopp has said about pep:
"he's the best manager in the world" (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x) (x)
"i couldn't respect more what pep is doing" (x)
"i think i've said it often enough how much i respect him" (x)
"i don't say that to put pressure on pep, the quality is outstanding" (x)
on pep saying his toughest opponents are liverpool: "i can give that back easily" and "we push each other on insane levels" (x)
"he has played a big part in my development" and "i'm happy pep guardiola became a manager" (x)
"we promised each other already that we will kick our butts next year again" (x)
"not sure i ever told pep but i like him" and "we think we know a lot about each other but we actually don't" (x)
"pep and i, we are not best friends" but "we have a good relationship" (x)
on pep's dinner invitation: "he's right, we are not friends" (x) and "we could have that talk no problem" (x)
"we could sit together for hours and hours" (x)
on being stuck on a desert island: "pep is pretty inspiring" and "i think we could talk about different things" (x)
"the best dressed manager is pep guardiola" (x)
"he looks good, has a very nice figure" (x)
"pep always looks perfect - body, clothes, everything" (x)
together:
pre-2022 community shield: "you play golf or not?" (x)
post-matchday 32 21/22 season: "see you in six days" (x)
2019 uefa elite club coaches forum: "pep guardiola is coming" (x)
2019 football writer's association awards ceremony (x)
2018 intl champions cup: klopp interrupts pep press conference (x)
bundesliga joint press conferences (x) (x) (x) (x)
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