#exclusionism cw

[endo-memes]

#submission #enexaswe #enexto #system meme #plural meme #actuallyendogenic #actuallyquoigenic #actuallymultiple #general #exclusionism cw #thank you for the submission! #tw sysmeds #tw sysmed

[vacuously-true]

Very funny though that the first two TERFs I noticed on the women in math poll were noticed because they were complaining about how math is gross lol.

#leemursays #mine #transphobia cw #exclusionism cw

[butchdykekondraki]

haii yes im still here. im just having fun and laughing at you. ^_____^

men will want to be lesbians and then be sooo pissed when actual lesbians behave lesbianly

ok ill answer this one bc its not like. AS BAD. anyway this is so funny is anyone else seeing this i feel like im going fucking crazy

#[ren] #god GODDD #yk what i cant even be mad #the dedication is kind of admirable #god. alright anyway #bye anon i hope you have a good day but im not going to answer any more asks that u send me ok? ok #i did have fun tho! this was nice :-) #i sound sarcastic. im being completely genuine #i cant tell if this was bait or not but i did have a good time so. idk have a good one girly ^_^ #exclusionism cw #<- for meeee :3 #transphobia

[mx-t4t0]

one of Those People replied to me on twitter and i think i might have killed them oops :(

#tato speaks #btw you don't have to follow me on twitter i'm barely ever on there #exclusionism cw #queerphobia cw

[luigra]

While I'm really happy that so many of the big mcyt blogs are very inclusive and that not being an asshole to mspec lesbians/gays is becoming cool, it's hard to pretend that Tumblr, or even mcytblr specifically, is free of exclusionists.

Like I didn't have to delete asks calling me both biphobic and lesbophobic. Like the sheer amount I've seen that teal-orange pan flag redesign in mcyt pride art and picrews and nobody called it out as being a hateful symbol.

Still, overall, I'm hopeful that things are going to get better. We're just not completely there yet.

#don't ask me to explain mspec lesbians to you on this post btw #if you don't want to go searching for other people's explanation you can DM me or send a private ask #but not on this post #public posts with explanations just invite discourse from other people trying to dispute them I feel like #exclusionism cw #ok luiger

[kiir0c0re]

people are on pinterest are so fucking mean oh my god

i saw one person telling people that use xenogenders to shut up

i saw a post gatekeeping trauma and judging people for the way they dress in the SAME IMAGE

and i saw that image with the bumper stickers saying that they’d like people to gentle with them while driving and with the caption saying that if you used those bumper stickers they’d ram into you or whatever and the people in the comments were fucking AGREEING with the image and when someone tried to explain how it’s ableist people spammed fucking nerd emojis in the replies and said shit like “it’s not that deep” what the fuck is wrong with these people

#pinterest and reddit are two sides of the same coin #i gotta uninstall that thing jeeeesus #thinkin kiiro #rant cw #ableism cw #exclusionism cw #bullying cw #i guess? #ask to tag

[huntinglove]

I'm actually really upset about the whole exclusionist thing because like...

I've warned people about someone literally suibaiting pan people and them just being like "well, they're my friend so it's not really like that ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯" while they call themselves proshippers and anti-harassment like?????

It's fucking insane how they're all over the community but I'm not gonna try anymore, every time I see someone interacting with them I just shove them tf out of my dash

#✯ undead ramblings #cw exclusionism mention #tw exclusionism mention #cw exclusionism #tw exclusionism

[human-rodent-king]

the post about having love in your heart was not about romance it was about having appreciation for the world around you

Saying "love is the most important thing ever" (paraphrased) is exclusionary language and amatonormativity. Are you aware that aplatonics exist? Have you heard of loveless aros? Honestly, if you're gonna be exclusionist you can at least wait until it isn't Aromantic Spectrum Awareness Month.

#loveless aro #cw exclusionism #aromantic #aro #actually aro #god can peaple please either stop speaking over loveless aros or get off anon so I can fucking block them

[garfunkopop]

jesus fuck i cant stop thinking about this post that said "a lesbian could be a cis man for all i care" babe THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS

that and people saying u can be multisexual and monosexual at the same time. i get that queer identities can be confusing but this genuinely doesnt make any buttfucking sense

#clover🐾 #personal rant #caps #anti mspec lesbian #anti mspec gay #anti mspec mono #swearing cw #queer discourse #yes im an exclusionist idc #exclusionism

[thehealingsystem]

I don't know how to feel right now. Youtube is talking about mspec lesbian discourse and I just...can't anymore. Just the same discourse over and over again full of people who don't even identify that way and don't know what they're talking about from both sides. "Actual lesbians," "real lesbians," "fake lesbians," "just bisexual," okay just ENOUGH already. I don't know why there has to be so much toxicity around ONE niche identity. It is ONE identity, who are small, and normally just have their personal reasons for doing so. The lesbian community is not being invaded, destroyed, or anything like that, by such a small group of people. And they're...mspecs. Bisexuals, pansexuals, polysexuals, omnisexuals, etc. they're not 'invading' anything. How can you invade a community you were always a part of?

Even if there wasn't any historical factor to this, why does it matter that much? Why harass someone and make their life miserable over this ONE FUCKING tiny thing. I am so SICK of having to see and deal with so much bullshit over my identity from people who are supposed to support me! I can't even feel free to change labels and discover new things about myself because I feel the need to defend this one! Like if realizing that I'm not pan lesbian and just lesbian would be admitting they're right!

I was dumb and had told those who were against it that I wasn't sure if I even liked boys. They took that to mean that I absolutely didn't like boys at all and discarded the pan part. But they still tell me I can't be lesbian because I'm not a 'non-man.'

Others found out and they yell at me that "men can't be lesbians" when I'm around. They tell me I can't be a lesbian because "I'm a boy." It doesn't matter that they know I'm non-binary, multigender, genderfluid, and not just a boy or really even identify with the binary concept of manhood that would make attraction to women straight. They do not care, because lesbian is non-men attracted to non-men.

Why do y'all hate mspecs so much? Why do you hate multigender and genderfluid people so much? I literally just started realizing I may be connected to femininity and girlhood in the same way I am masculinity and boyhood. I denied it before because it was either one or the other, and I couldn't even get people in my life to accept me as a nonbinary boy, so why would I allow them to think of me as 'still a girl?'

I don't get it. I can't even make friends because I'm so scared of people. I can't interact with fandoms because I don't know who's going to attack me or not. Why is this right at all? Am I really that wrong? I can't help how I feel about myself, so why do they act like I can just choose? I don't know. I just wish this discourse could pass just like all the others before it

#mspec lesbian #lesboy #bi lesbian #pan lesbian #poly lesbian #omni lesbian #male lesbian #multigender #genderfluid #nonbinary #cw discourse #cw queerphobia #cw exclusionism #cw vent #I am so sick of feeling like a horrible person over this one thing #why does this one thing define me? #why is it worth not being friends with me? #why is it worth bullying and harassing me? #I don't know

[my-strange-attraction]

i think you might be stupid as hell because that last bit on your posts about studs is what lesbians have been saying about our label for fucking ever when it comes to your demand for the inclusion of men (you KNOW i am not talking about trans women. i’m talking about cis and trans men.) I can feel your cognitive dissonance and it is amazing.

also butch/femme are lesbian exclusive identities because they only make sense in lesbian context (subversion of gender roles, presentation, OFOS, ect ect). same goes for stud. literally you do not know what you’re talking about. PLEASE do actual research when it comes to these labels before talking about them and not a quick look at a fandom wiki.

Ok see the other reason I was hesitant to post my response to that ask was because I KNEW this would be the response from those of you who are still lurking from that drama.

The WHOLE POINT of my response was that race matters are different than other queer matters. They just are. It’s not cognitive dissonance, it’s just the truth, but you want so badly for me to contradict myself that you would pretend otherwise until your dying breath.

Also I’ve never been involved in discussions about the stud label, but I have been in discussions about the others. I downplayed it because it hasn’t been my FOCUS because up until recently I was too nervous to explore them because I didn’t identify as lesbian yet, and I didn’t realize what I know now, which is that, though they originated in the lesbian community, they can describe all sapphic people (this includes bisexuals and others who are not solely attracted to women!).

You said they only make sense in lesbian context but you really didn’t explain yourself there so I don’t even know how to refute it. I think it makes sense in any sapphic context, personally, and a lot of my queer (AND LESBIAN) friends agree. I’m tired of bending over backwards to over explain myself to you people so I’m just not going to do it.

I’m going to say it one last time, even if it will still probably fall to deaf ears: other lesbians saying they can be/have been attracted to men does not “demand,” in your words, the lesbian label to include men. It just does for them, because sexuality is weird and people are different, and there can be a variety of different reasons why someone feels most comfortable using a label.

I use the label personally because even though I can sometimes (??? still figuring it out) be attracted to men, I am not interested in dating any. It’s more functional for me than bi or pan. Would you keep me from using it just because, for me, it includes attraction to men? And if you include me, why not include bi lesbians as well?

I almost deleted this one. At what point does defending myself become redundant?

#cw exclusionism #ask #queer #labels #cloudy rambles

[moved-to-piersgender]

If you ever find yourself saying shit like "let's see how many people I can piss off on here" you are absolutely living your life wrong and need to find a better motivator for living than spite.

#Syscourse cw #exclusionism #DNI shaming #bi lesbian discourse

[vacuously-true]

You suuuuuuuck

Trans women are men

Some trans women are indeed also men, for example, some bigender people! Thanks for sending this ask, it's really cool that you are thinking about the nuance of overlapping genders! You suck too! 🏳️‍⚧️💖💛🤍💜💙🏳️‍⚧️

#leemursays #mine #fuck you #exclusionism cw #trans #bigender #anon #ask #queer #transphobia cw

[dykerys]

Me identifying as an mspec lesbian because my attraction is fluid simply doesn't hurt anyone and doesn't imply that all lesbians in the world are attracted to men. My existence is not "unfair" or "offensive." You just don't accept people with different experiences than you.

#i hate everyone on this website #i hate exclusionists so much #some never gonna change #they don't realize they hurt people or they're just really mean? #cw vent #cw negative #cw exclusionism

[magicalenbysarah]

Help I can't stop thinking about this baby exclu from a server I was on and how they said "Bi Lesbians are still kinda 'H' to me" and I couldn't call them out on it and tell them to stfu because of the "no discourse" rule :):):)

#cw exclusionism #vent #they acted utterly baffled by the concept when i first brought it up #like just let people identify how they want??? not hard #i hate no discourse or negativity rules #because they just let bigotry go unchallenged unless a mod notices

[our-mspec-experience]

I am so angry and I worry about talking about it on my blog where people I know irl will see it and be able to guess who I'm talking about. It's not my place to air out someone else's fears to them, but I gotta tell someone.

Sorry, I'll start at the beginning, cw for biphobia and exclusionism:

A younger bisexual told me she had been worried about coming to a queer event I help organize bc she was scared she'd be interrogated on her queerness and found lacking for "only" being bi. I did my best to reassure her and point out that there's no hierarchy and of course bisexuality is "queer enough" to be queer, but inside I was seething. This is what all that exclusionist bullshit leads to: a young bisexual scared to seek out her own damn community bc exclus have decided there's such a thing as "not queer enough".

Is this your idea of "protecting the community", exclus? Did you successfully sniff out the "fakers"? Are you fucking proud of yourselves for how well you're keeping out those pesky cishets who are totally trying to invade our community at every turn??

I'm aro and pansexual. According to exclus, I am less queer than her. And yet I am the one who gets to be secure in the knowledge that the event is for me, too, while she was scared to come.

Exclus are a fucking blight upon this community.

Well you absolutely did the right thing by reassuring her, and I hope you’re event went well! i agree completely, anyone who excludes people from the queer community are terrible, and no one is “more queer” than anyone else!

#our mspec experience #m answers #bisexuality #bi #pan #pansexual #aro #aromantic #lgbtqia+ #queer