#fanon and fandom stuff

[avenger-hawk]

also:

Don’t tag my content as ____ (random problematic thing)

Dude, if you police how ppl tag your content when when they reblog it you kinda make them want to...uh...not reblog it. 

Personally, I tag ships not only when I reblog/post shipper stuff, but also when the characters are in the same artwork or stuff, you know, for being able to find the artwork quicker, cause I don’t remember all fanartists’ names (yup, sorry about that). In short, I tag ships because I want to, and if you have a problem with it because you don’t want to have your precious hands dirty with problematic stuff ok, but you put off a lot of ppl. 

Because others might not tag a ship but they might want to add weird rants on their reblog and they might be uncomfortable since you’re policing notes lol, and even tho I find certain thirsty fangirl comments on certain artworks kinda gross, or I get pissed off when someone reblogs the fanarts with permission I post, tagging some canon shit or papas*ke, I don’t start drama with it, I mean as long as they don’t bitch at me directly who cares...ofc I’m not the author. But being an fanfic author, even if it’s not the same exactly, I’m just happy if someone reblogs my stuff and I don’t look at their tags lol. What if...I mean...what if. you start not policing too. Just a thought.

Hawk out

#fanon and fandom stuff #I was going through my likes and was about to repost some cute thing but then I saw their warning and I unliked everything #cause I don't want to get anxious when I tag something #like. real life is shitty enough I don't need to be policed by some stranger on the internet #anyway sorry. I am ranting but I'm not tagging anything so it just stays on my blog and for my poor followers #it's not like I put these rants in some ship tags clearly wanting shippers to see how outraged I am lol #like when ppl tag my NS stuff as SN...I hate it lol but I'm not going to look for them and bitch. which happened to me once tbh? I don't #remember what was the fanart but I took it down cause the person had a problem with one of my tags and wanted me to change it #so ofc I deleted and blocked the person

[sourlemonadez]

pre-ruin eclipse wahoo

#this is like a week old i forgot to post oops #pre ruin eclipse?? fanon eclipse?? glitch?? i dunno #fnaf #dca #fnaf daycare attendant #daycare attendant #fnaf dca #fnaf eclipse #eclipse fnaf #fnaf fanart #dca fandom #my art #lems silly stuff

[reanimatedgh0ul]

I NEED MORE DANNY PHANTOM FANS TO EITHER LOOK INTO THE DEVIL'S BACKBONE AND/OR CRIMSON PEAK DIRECTED BY GUILLERMO DEL TORO IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY BC YOU GUYS WOULD LOVE THE THINGS HE HAS TO SAY ABOUT GHOSTS IN HIS WORK OH MY GOD

#LIKE HOW HAS HARDLY ANYONE IN THE FANDOM REFERENCED THIS YET #LIKE YOU GUYS WOULD LOVE THIS SHIT GIVEN THE STUFF YOU PUT IN FANON #danny phantom #robi rambles

[hero-in-waiting]

#tv: sga #rodney mckay #stargate atlantis #my gifs #just rodney always being the most brave when it comes to his friends #tho honestly #i think in some ways fandom has ruined me bc theres a lot less coward/weak moments than i was expecting #so i think its one of those moments where i may need to go back to the canon source and remind myself fanon is not always right #i also think its interesting to think about rodney being brave for himself #and brave for others #because hes always a lot more inclined to be yell-y and stuff when hes being brave to save himself #but when hes being brave for his friends? #hes focused #he's intent and hes gonna fucking help them #my brave little toaster i love him so much

[flowerbloom-arts]

To be made an Other.

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I was looking at an old post and a certain line still hits me so I decided to make it a dedicated comic.

#moomins #moominvalley #art #joxter #moomin joxter #the joxter #comic #I think there's something to be said about the fanon around 'Mumriks' and the accidentally reinvention of antisemitic/romani stereotypes #I may need to do more proper research both in those preexisting stereotypes and what some fans have made Joxter and Snufkin into #but I do think it would be a worthwhile examination of this accidentally phenomenon. #and I have to emphasize 'accidental' hear because I know most of the time people are just unconsciously recreating those stereotypes #because of fandom flanderization and thinking certain stuff would be Cool #just. idk I think it's an issue that needs to be examined more carefully when it comes to internalized biases and careless fanonization #here because* #I referenced my own hand for Joxter's paw btw that's why it's so. grossly detailed lmao

[kiragecko]

cherrystainedknuckles

I guess the only problem with being asked to take a “marie kondo approach” is that in order to find any fanfic that appears to be based in actual canon timeline and plot points and characterization (which does exist, and I’m not sure why fanon fans seem insistent that it doesn’t), I literally have to search for hours. I’m not joking, I consistently make fic rec lists, and I have to search for hours and hours for actual canonical basis. same thing with character tags on tumblr.

I’m not saying fanon fans have to stop enjoying fanon or making up their own content. I’m just saying that when the tags used for both fanon tim drake and canon tim drake are the same tag it just becomes incredibly annoying sometimes, and I understand why people who like to engage with canon (me, often) become frustrated

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I have definitely had periods where I got incredibly frustrated with fanon! Around 2019, I was wondering if I needed to leave the Batfandom, because it had been so long since I read a new fic where the characters felt 'right'.

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But, if you're willing to, I'd like you to consider what you mean when you divide 'fanon' from 'canon'. Because I struggle to find a hard line between the two, for several reasons:

1. Fandom is transformative. Every fanfic is going to have some interpretation of the source material. The line between what is too much interpretation and what is acceptable is different for every person. For me, I find it can even vary based on writing style or other odd things - lighthearted fic can have more noncanonical stuff in it than heavier fic, and still seem true to canon.

2. 'Canon' is subjective. I do not consider the movies or video games to be 'canon', and it annoys me when things from those creep into the fic I'm reading. (I'm okay with SOME Battinson.) Some aspects of the cartoons are okay. I consider precrisis Jason Todd to be an alternate reality version, but Donna's precrisis origins are more canonical than the dumb retcons. Wayne Family Adventures isn't my main version of the characters, but I'm not bothered if some elements show up in my stories. I'm ignoring most of the nu52, but I like Duke and I'm still watching this new Lian to see what happens. I doubt your divisions are identical to mine.

(Also, some things that I think of as 'fanon' have shown up in nu52 canon! I do not accept them as any more canon because of this.)

3. Most 'fanon' is based on canon. Canon Tim has weird sleep habits. 90s Dick is really lighthearted and joking around some characters in ways similar to fanon. Dick can canonically not be trusted to take care of himself if his mental health gets low enough. Jason likes classical literature. Etc.

These are exaggerated and/or twisted in a lot of fic, but where is the line where they stop being canon? I wouldn't bat an eye at a lot of this stuff, if it didn't show up SO OFTEN.

4. Most 'fanon fans' do know some canon. What line are you going to set where it will be 'enough'. And are they allowed to mention parts of the canon they haven't read yet? Is anyone allowed to talk about Dick's early Robin days, or only the tiny amount of people who have read the golden age stuff? A lot of the 'mistakes' I see are obviously made by people who have read ABOUT canon, but don't know quite how it fits together.

5. 'Canon' is FULL of contradictions. Yes, there are canon events. Yes, there is characterization that is consistent across 3/4s of comics. But. I'm still working on my sidekick timeline. I've devoted days to figuring out ages and passage of time. I've spent over a decade trying to figure out Jason Todd's motivations, and why Tim treats him the way he does. I've read all the 90s and early 2000s CANONICAL character assassination of Jason.

I spent years thinking that Donna's death was almost as foundational as Jason's, only to later discover that I had just happened to read the specific comics that focused on the fallout, and she only stayed dead for a short time. That happens to fans ALL THE TIME! We read a character summarizing an event we haven't directly read, and just accept it as what happened. But characters have biases, and not all writers care about accuracy.

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I've read some Tim Drakes that I consider to be almost entirely 'fanon'. And quite a few that were so scarily 'canon' that I got chills. (Not all of which were similar to each other.) But the vast, vast majority have fallen somewhere in the middle.

I definitely do not want the responsibility of deciding which ones count as 'canon'! And I think I would strongly dislike anyone who tried to decide for me.

Being frustrated is logical, and I empathize. But the original post was about the impossible expectations some fans feel. The expectation to read thousands of comics, synthesize all the contradictions, and come to conclusions that match the 'true fans'. That's a perfectly reasonable thing to be complaining about.

If that's what some fans are experiencing, of course they're not going to want to engage with canon! There's no way for them to succeed, so why should they even try?

When you join THAT conversation to discuss your frustration about fanon, it strengthens that perception. When you call them 'fanon fans' it emphasizes their belief that you don't think they belong. And rather than trying to change, it's more likely that they'll double down. Canon is full of gatekeepers, so they'll avoid it.

#gatekeeping #fandom policing #fanon #canon vs fanon #usually don't do stuff like this anymore #I'm old and tired #but sometimes the words want to come out

[telffiin]

"damian feels guilty and sad for what he put poor little timmy through :(" shut up for one million years.

first of all that shit was NOT one sided... are you kidding me... they both contributed. it was a team effort of idk jealousy and antagonism or whatever.

tim isn't like some helpless victim that damian abuses. which... ugh. what is it with this whole thing that shows up in fanfic all the time where tim is ostracized by his family who are always on damian's side and dick makes excuses for him and URRGGHHH whatever whatever WHATEVER.

#i'm rehashing some stuff from earlier posts but yeaah #i wish i could stop talking about tim but alas. his fans are annoying and i love complaining about inane things #dc #batman #damian wayne #anti fanon #anti tim drake #fandom critical #fanon critical #fanon vs canon

[attleboy]

found out pomni has a page on the sexypedia and i feel... called out

#“many fan works” SHUT UPPPPPPPPP #tbh i often worry about the effect my chompni stuff has had on fanon... if i think about it too hard it's gonna drive me to drink /j #ik i'm not the only person doing it. but i feel like i've made a sizable impact with it and idk how to feel about that #like oh god am i a part of the fandom collective consciousness #i need to go hide under a rock and never return #i joke. kind of #me chat.

[caligvlasaqvarivm]

Thoughts on humanstuck!Eridan? I'd imagine hes somewhat better adjusted considering. yknow. the lack of Murder and Gov't Mandated Racism. but if his dad was Dualscar or something he'd probably still have some Issues™.

SO many of Eridan's issues are tied up with Alternian society, specifically, that he's basically gonna wind up in OC-with-a-canon-skin territory in any situation where that pressure is removed. I'm not really the person to go to for that kind of thing; I'm a frothing-at-the-mouth canon purist 😂

No shade at all on the people who do like to mess around with AUs and the like, it's just not what I'm into. Even the meta fact that he's the Society Troll is significant to his character and place within the story and themes, so asking me to speculate about him when the Society aspect is removed is really not my boathouse, sorry.

#im really boring and i dont participate in fandom stuff at all #so if humanstuck is like a fanon thing i literally would not know #and dont tell me about it because i would prefer not to know #i dont read fanfic i dont look at fanart its nothing personal its just not for me #theres lovely work being made i genuinely believe this #but im a lot happier not engaging beyond putting out essays and releasing some art

[cyclic-laughter]

OH YEAH AND COOKIE ALSO DESIGNED THIS FELLA AND I LOVE THEM SO MUCH AAAAAAA IM So OBSESSED WITH THEM. THEYRE SO FUCKING PRETTY

#**lokie stuff #my artwork #oc artwork #oc art #gem oc #su oc #steven universe oc #gem oc art #steven universe #original character #pearl oc #pearl steven universe #fanon pearl #fandom oc #**israfel

[passivedecept]

Maybe kinda weird but there is One (1) thing i really dislike in the Danny Phantom fandom.

The Obsession Fanon.

Because I believe it takes away some very important characteristic from Danny.

If you make his so-called 'obsession' protection you take away something very important.

The fact that he choose to do it.

He choose to help people. He continues to choose it no matter what. He still helps the people who bully him.

Why? Because as he said in an episode. No one else will.

He is a good person and by just saying he has to because of an "obsession" I feel like you destroy that part of his character.

If you make his 'obsession' space you also take something away. As he mentioned he wanted to be an astronaut. By making it an obsession you take away this thing he loved. Because you end up 'forcing' him to love it because he has to to survive because of 'obsession'

Sure. The ghosts have a theme but they are more than that. Sure Ember has her music thing but she still dates and does other stuff. Youngblood plays games but he is a young kid.

What would you even give Johnny and Kitty? Love? With all the arguements they have?

I dont like the Obsession thing that Fanon seems to be convinced about is Canon and I will die on this hill.

And no. It isnt Canon. As far as I remember (and I watched the show three times but i may misremember some stuff) it was never truly mentioned as obsession. You have ghosts who have goals but the humans also have goals and you dont call that obsessions.

These ghosts are just bored out of their minds and decide to do ghost stuff and cause trouble because of that or to gain more power.

Ember doesnt sing because she wants to be a popstar. She straight up is a popstar because she gained more power from people knowing her name. (An example I know of the top of my head)

Just. Really dislike the fandoms obsession with Obsessions.

Okay that is all. 1am rant over.

#Danny Phantom #danny fenton #obsessions #rant time #how do you know the fandom has been around for a long time? #when fanon stuff gets confused for canon #i just see so many crossovers where obsessions are treated as fact and i am kinda tired of it #cores arent even canon #neither is danny as ghost king #so much has sneaked in to the fandom canon at this point #but this one bothers me because it takes away an in my eyes inportant part of danny's character #1 am rant over now #i need to use the sleep #danny phantom

[avenger-hawk]

are you leaving? 💔

If my life was more satisfying and my mental health was better I'd leave immediately.

Tbh I've been in the fandom for too long, I'm no longer interested in discussing stuff in depth because I did it already, there's nothing more to say. I still like Sasuke very very very much, but writing long ass rants on stuff is no longer my thing because I did it already. I wish I had the determination to finish my fics at least.

I wrote so much about his relationship with Itachi that I got bored, also because Itachi stans and Itachi haters both got on my nerves. I still like Team Taka and many other things and characters, I still like rarepairs and dark stuff but what I see around is this big lump of healthy-wholesome shit that you gotta like is you're a 'good fan' as if Nar is not a story about child soldiers and orphans and injustice, fake woke discussions, OOC crap that everyone likes as if it's not OOC, all these 'they should fix themselves with therapy poor bbys' and all these hypocrite moralistic preaching on what is right to like and what is not, and I don't like any of these.

Or more simply, I'm bored af but my life is even more boring so I stay, but complaining because I'm stupid and I hate my life as much as I hate this shit.

#fanon and fandom stuff #anti naruto fandom #I guess

[constellarcreator]

Personal take on teenage Razputin!!! 16 years old to be specific. I actually have an entire timeskip AU centered around him but heaven knows when I'll decide that Tumblr is ready for that mess lmao

#not maintagging this #psynauts fandom is cool about most things #but i cannot help being nervous when my ideas diverge so much from commonly accepted fanon stuff #be niceys to me. blease </3 #constellar art

[angelhusbandry]

[primal fear 1996 ending spoilers]

been thinking about primal fear a lot again lately and it’s led me to think about the way people engage with it online and the most fascinating phenomenon to me is people who like it but hate the ending because i get where they’re coming from! when i first watched it, i identified a lot with aaron, and the ending twist made me suddenly very uncomfortable! but i took some time to analyze that discomfort and guys, i think it’s genius.

like: by the time you get to the twist you know the score. and like veneable said, she would’ve done it too! anyone would’ve done it! the twist isn’t that aaron did or didn’t do it — once we get to roy we know on some level he did — but the twist is that he didn’t feel bad about it. and he doesn’t need to! aaron stampler is a “villain” because he is not a sympathetic enough victim anymore. he had something bad happen to him and he responded. he’s able to construct himself as the perfect victim, something vail both pities and is all too ready to exploit (trying to “draw out” roy etc) and vail is shattered because he was tricked. because he supported someone who should’ve been supported, but wouldn’t have if he knew was more complicated than the easy, digestible version of a victim he was willing to support

when people make “aaron actually has DID” or “roy is real” aus so he can be demure and happy and vail can be his dad you are continuing the thought that caused aaron to do what he did, that aaron would’ve needed to be helpless, unaware, more pitiable to have been worth sympathy. but he’s not! he’s not a necessarily good person. and i have a great sympathy and love for him because of that, not despite that. what he did is material, and that’s what makes it defensible, not how he thought of it or his true personal feelings behind it. i can relate more to a “bad victim” than i can to the fake version of aaron stampler that he created to force people who don’t actually care about victims to accept due to a complete lack of complexity. but he’s a complex guy. and i love that for him ❤️

#does this make sense… i’m literally about to see a movie in theatre so this is just an off the top of my head screed #i do think u can make the argument the movie frames him as Evil but i don’t think that makes the ending less good #and also i think it’s the way vail feels so it works for me #primal fear #aaron stampler #primal fear spoilers #my post #EDIT: someone decided this was vauging them so i feel compelled to add it’s not. i’m not involved with fandom like that i don’t know you ppl #being into fanon or aus or whatever is fine but it’s not the people i post for cause i don’t like that stuff very much #this is a make ocs or directly interpret the text zone

[crushedsweets]

Yk actually I think we as a fandom need to stop separating things by “canon” vs “fanon” and instead describe it more like … dark . Vs not dark. Or smth of similar nature. Cuz some of the “canon” stuff is cool, made for horror purposes, super interesting and I enjoy it a lot, but it is simply not canon and that’s ok !!!!!! (I don’t actually think anyone needs to stop doing anything it’s not that deep)

#example being like.. some people interpret Toby chewing his hands as him being a cannibal which is a super cool interpretation and I like i #but I see someone people take it as ‘oh this is a DEEPER analysis of his character therefore CANON’ #but that’s only because it’s an even darker take on something #and darker in this fandom is automatically associated with canon and ‘more realistic’ #but Toby used to be a canonically goofy ass teenager with a girlfriend he loved very deeply #yk what I mean ? #regardless I love all the work in this fandom dark or not !!!!!!! I just get bothered by ppl having like a complex abt canon vs not canon #chatterbox #love u guys #sory I keep harping on about this it just like LMFAO IDK HOW TO EXPLAIN #IT DEEPLY IRKS ME WHEN PPL HAVE SUPERIORITY COMPLEXES AND BELITTLE OTHERS OVER SILLY ENJOYMENT #reminds me of cringe culture at its peak LOL #also let me further clarify that fanon stuff like twink Masky is bad . like objectively #not everything fanon is sunshine and rainbows #and there are many weird and gross aspects of fanon too

[dykedvonte]

Thoughts on Benny + The Followers of the Apocalypse?

Idk if you want them separate or together so I’ll give you a little of both.

I personally don’t care for portraying Benny as suicidally arrogant and pathetic. He’s a lot more capable than people in the fandom give him credit for and should def read and take his All Roads characterization into heart as it is canon. I think a lot of it stems from all the other major players and factions being so much more intimidating and equal to the player by the time you reach him and the general goofy aspect of his character like the slang and that god awful suit but he’s truly a force. He cons people, is capable in a fight and is not afraid of getting his hands dirty, he just doesn’t do things that could get him killed if he doesn’t. It’s only when the Courier gets involved that he starts facing repercussions for anything. It’s funny but I wish more peeps focused on his underlying aspects like the fact he is prideful and has a temper but at the same time isn’t belligerent. He goes on benders according to Swank so he really isn’t above all the “missing the tribal days” syndrome all the other Chairmen have. It’s something that always plagues me when I like a popular or well known character in fandom cause they always get dumbed down and it cuts out a lot of the stuff I like to focus on. It doesn’t help that I feel a lot of people treat him like he’s the worst character morally when like random side quest NPCs have definitely done worse than him to you and general on a good day.

For the followers, they are one of my favorite factions despite not being a consequential faction. They had a lot cut from them such as a quest line that had you expose Caesar by revealing all his ancient Roman shit was a farce as he learned it from his time in the Followers and not from Mars (a big reason Caesar has a kill on sight order for followers members or people who reveal they are educated) and just more agency. I think it’s funny they are so close to Vegas while standing against all it represents but I understand why they wouldn’t like it as so many people struggle with addiction and abuse in the Mojave due to how much it sucks to be there. I feel like if you had the option to incorporate them into an independent Vegas or NCR option in a major way they’d do wonders for the future of the Mojave since they universally just want to make living easier and healthier. They are a bunch of pills but they don’t let that get in the way of their goals. I also enjoy how they make anyone who is helpful or just lost a follower (a cut quest lets Rotface join if you encourage him to be better and he’s actually happier for it!!!). I wish we got more random follower NPCs and encampments but New Vegas barely can function with all it has already so I get why their stuff was cut but man does it suck. I think I’d be a follower if I was in the Mojave.

As for Benny AND the Followers? I think Benny appreciates them as a former Boot Rider and tribal. They help those in need and I feel like there’s unspoken solidarity between raiders/tribals and the followers as they likely got healed a lot. If Benny had the power I feel like he’d make them a part of Vegas as like a thank you because y’know, the honor and loyalty is a big part of Chairmen culture past and present. After Emily ehh…. as long as she doesn’t bring it up. They probably wouldn’t accept due to it being Vegas but Benny is just like an annoying old friend to the followers. He’s probably stopped by on his many escapades trying to overthrow House and they tolerate him as a useful in/tie to Vegas power dynamics. He’d make a shitty doctor and most Followers have shit poker faces.

#I have strong opinions on fandom interpretations and I often don’t reblog a lot of material outside my own stuff #or follow a lot of fandom blogs cause it will literally make me leave a fandom if fanon is unbearable to me like #I try to interpret characters pretty close to canon unless it’s in a shit post #Benny would hump and dump before he like fell love with anyone realistically but that’s the fun part #of creating the situation where he would rather than changing him to fit a desire #fallout #fallout new vegas #benny gecko #benny fnv #followers of the apocalypse #ask #anon