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Newt & Theseus

Crimes of Grindelwald:

Callum Turner: I play Theseus, who is Newt's older brother, even though I'm younger than Eddie, which is interesting! He's kind of the opposite of Newt. He's gone through the same schooling obviously, but once he got out he decided that the establishment was the way to fight the good fight. Theseus is or may be quite more rigid or just part of the establishment. You know, he's the head Auror at the Ministry.

Yeah, I mean, he's the opposite to Newt. I guess he's more rigid, and he's conformed to the way that people want you to … he's become one of them I guess, and he went to Hogwarts. He was taught by Dumbledore. He’s from that school, and he became this, which you can take...

- Collider

What are Theseus’s thoughts about the creatures? What are his relationships with them?

Callum Turner: Yeah, I think he has bigger fish to fry and it’s his little brother’s thing. That’s his sort of looking down on his brother.

- Collider

Callum Turner: He'd been educated at Hogwarts underneath Dumbledore the same way Newt had, but for some reason he'd separated and it always felt unnatural that Theseus had become part of the establishment when his natural instinct would probably not to be that, but like Newt, you know, they are brothers. There's a similarity. But he's somehow like closed that bit off and he's gone that way and he's gone really high up into the Ministry of Magic and pretty much runs it and that's how he decides to fight the good fight. As Newt is part of the rebellion so I look at it, and Theseus is part of the establishment, and that's the kind of main difference between two brothers. Apart from that, very similar.

- ChicagoSciFi

Eddie Redmayne: I'll never forget. I don't know if you ever saw it. I saw an early version of the script in which the young guys were...

Callum Turner: The flashback.

Eddie Redmayne: Yeah, flashback when they were at Hogwarts together. He [Theseus] came like flying past the window on a Quidditch team, on his broomstick. He was clearly like a schoolboy sporting hero.

Callum Turner: Like a jock.

Eddie Redmayne: Definitely. The antithesis of Newt.

- Movie'n'co UK

Eddie Redmayne: Thank you. He's kind of the opposite of Newt. He is like the schoolboy hero. He was great. I'm sure he's like a brilliant Quidditch player, so they have a bit of tension and animosity, and yet they also have great love for each other, and that's kind of what you see through the film, is they start kind of not on the same side, but they progress through, and that thing that family does, like however much your brother irritates you, there's still some－I have three brothers who I love dearly. They never irritate me－They feel great sort of affection for.

- Dingo Movie

Eddie Redmayne: But also she [ J.K. Rowling] watches and she even says the way Callum’s character, Theseus, was written in the script was quite like, he was quite a bit mean to Newt, but the way Callum played him made him so human in trying to do the right thing and ‘I’ve got my own struggles’ and when Jo saw that and said to me that … when she then sees that footage she then responds to that in how she writes the characters going forward so it is kind of a lovely dance in some way.

- Knockturnal

Eddie Redmayne: It is really complicated. [Theseus] is an Auror, he’s very establishment, and Newt is kind of the antithesis of that. But what I loved, actually, was the way Jo had written their relationship. It was quite antagonistic to begin with, and it certainly is filled with complexities. I mean, his brother is engaged to this girl who he had a huge affection for growing up, so there’s obviously a real tension there. But one of the things I loved is, actually, Jo said to me seeing what Callum [Turner] was doing and how David was directing – there was a lot of love there – that she progressed the relationship as a consequence of that.

- Buzzfeed

Callum Turner: Theseus is the polar opposite of Newt. In a sense they're both fighting the good fight, but Newt is part of the rebellion movement and Theseus is the establishment.  

- MTV News

Callum Turner: The focus was very much about the brother relationship. I don't have a younger brother. I have a younger half-brother, but we didn't grow up with each other and I got these stories and it's very much the older brother shouts at the younger brother a lot and so bullies him in a certain way because there's a responsibility. It's all about two people just playing at the same patterns they had for years.

- Evanna Lynch Interview

Callum Turner: Theseus is head Auror at the British Ministry Of Magic - it's a tongue-twister! - and is really straight-laced. And Newt's not. He's the complete opposite, and he actually wants him to get in line and try to save the world. Because he knows he's special, but he won't do that. And that's the tension. That's what's going on between the two brothers. A brother trying to boss his other brother around, basically!

- Total Film

Callum Turner: He's an establishment man. He's worked really hard and rose to the top incredibly quickly. His brother won't conform. Newt sort of sits on the fence, and Theseus is a man of action.

- Entertainment Weekly: The Ultimate Guide to Fantastic Beasts

Callum Turner: He [Theseus] decided to fight the good fight by joining the Ministry, whereas Newt is part of the rebellion. They're both on the same side, but fighting in very different ways. Other than that key detail, the brothers clearly care for one another. While Theseus may be a bit more self-assured and confident than Newt, they share a deep sense of humanity.

- The Archive of Magic: The Film Wizardry of Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald

Callum Turner: What was important was not to focus on that friction but to try and understand maybe why. You look at the facts: [Theseus] is very successful through the establishment, and wants Newt to join and fight the good fight in the way that he knows how and the way that he thinks best. Newt doesn’t want to do that.

- Fandom Interview

Callum Turner: He is on the promise to fight the good fight in the ways he knows how, which means that he has to conform to the rules and the regulations of which the wizarding society is deemed acceptable within the establishment. He doesn't think that Newt's doing the right thing. Spiritually, I think probably Newt is the one that has figured it out. Yeah. He's doing what he wants. 

- HBO Asia

Callum Turner: He’s risen to the top of the ranks at the Ministry, he’s the Head Auror, and is fighting the good fight in the way he knows how. He’s incredibly stubborn and wants his brother, who he understands to be a more powerful, special wizard, to join the fight on his side, through the establishment, which obviously Newt is repelled by and I think that's the journey he goes on. Maybe he's making mistakes or had made mistakes.

- Futurepreviewsllc

Turner wracked his brain trying to figure out why Theseus would be so desperate to get everyone close to him to join the Ministry, and found a simple answer: Protection. “[Theseus] wants to protect his brother, he wants him alongside him, he wants to [know] that his brother will be OK.”

- Fandom Interview

Callum Turner: I think Theseus and Newt are complete opposites. He's worried about his brother and he wants his brother to basically do what he wants and to fight the good fight in the way that he know how, which is through the establishment. He does it through love. It's like an overbearing thing and that's obviously the worst thing possible for Newt.

- Crimes of Grindelwald UK Premiere

What does your character think of Newt’s newfound success? Does he resent him at all for it?

Callum Turner: I think there’s a sort of a relief. Theseus is really successful. He’s a very determined man to reach the top, and I think having his younger brother sort of float around in this obscurity, in a sense, was quite worrying for him.

- Collider

Callum Turner: And with Newt, the thing that drives Theseus actually is love. It’s very important to him, the brotherly thing. It’s not that he’s the older brother and, ‘You’re going to do what I say.’ There is that element to it, too, but I think the friction really is in Theseus suffocating Newt. Theseus is overprotective of Newt and doesn’t allow him space. But really that comes out of love.

- No More Work Horse

Callum Turner: As brothers separate at times, this is the moment that they have. We refind them. He's risen to the top of the Ministry of Magic and he's quite successful, quite stubborn, but this is a man that loves and this is a man that cares deeply about humanity in the wizarding world and his fiancee and also his brother, and I think that's where the stress comes between the two is that he wants to protect Newt and he wants to look after Newt, but Newt doesn't need it, but Theseus can't see that. And that's the dynamic. That's why older brother telling younger brother what to do, younger brother saying, "See you later."

- Sensacine

Callum Turner: I didn't grow up with a younger brother -- I have a half-brother but we didn't grow up with each other -- and my research was to understand what that's like, and to get into why Newt doesn't like him and why they don't connect. The communication has gone bad. Theseus is very head-in-the-sand in a sense. He's blind to what Newt needs, and, objectively, there's a selfishness to that and an arrogance to that and a brute force-ness to that. But subjectively, it's about protection and it's about love and it's about caring. Theseus is a carer. He's described as a hugger, and I think he's trying to hug the whole world. Newt, in particular. When you aren't able to give what someone needs, to facilitate what they need, you then either push them away -- which he does -- or suffocate. I think the friction between them is Theseus doesn't understand what Newt wants, and he is overbearing. It's almost like he's got him in a big, old bear hug and Newt doesn't want that at all.

- Etonline

The actor [Callum Turner] also found that it was easy to find similarities between the two characters, both from a character standpoint (they’re both “stubborn in their ideologies”)

- Fandom Interview

Callum Turner: I had obviously seen the first film, and then I looked at Newt and thought I’d do the complete opposite – because Theseus is the complete opposite.  Even though they’re very similar – and the similarities are through their stubbornness, and being successful, driven and powerful – it wouldn’t make sense if they were the same. There were little things, like having ankle swingers, I call them, in the costume; that was a nod to being brothers. But then, the writing’s so brilliant and layered and textured that it was awfully free, really.

No More Work Horse

Callum Turner: We tried to find loads of little touches that would draw the brothers together, like little details in the pocket square, or the tie pin, or having the trousers a little shorter at the bottom, that would link the two together. There’s a panache to Newt, and to Theseus, too — but it’s subtle. He’s engaged to Zoë Kravitz, so he’s got to have some style.

- Fandom Interview

Eight years Newt's senior ( although Turner is nine years younger than Eddie Redmaync), Theseus is less eccentric to the eye. 'Generally, he is part of the world, dressed in a fine suit,' says Turner. 'But there are tiny similarities between his and Newt's look: ankle swingers, a pocket square, these wizard-ish touches in the shapes of the lapel and the collar.'

- Lights, Camera, Magic!: The Making of Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald

Hair and makeup designer Fae Hammond didn't have to do much with Callum Turner's hair in order to make it look like he and Eddie Redmayne were brothers, just lighten it. Her challenge, however, was that Callum has no freckles. and Eddie has a well-known smattering across his face. 'So one of my team ... Carefully freckled him up,' says Fae. 'But its a work of art and really necessary,' she confirms. Freckling took about fifty minutes each day.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald: Movie Magic

Rebuffed, she comes to a halt. NEWT walks away toward THESEUS, who is very like NEWT, but more outgoing, easier in manner. THESEUS winks at LETA before turning to NEWT.

- Secrets of Dumbledore: The Original Screenplay

Callum Turner: He’s my younger brother. They love each other. It’s a lot of fun playing an older brother as well, someone who’s very sturdy, a war hero and we’re doing a scene today and Eddie gets slapped by Grindelwald with a spell and I was like my instinct in this kept saying, “Get up." You know. "Get up.” Not like, "Are you OK?” “Get up.” Like looking after him. I have a half-brother and a half-sister, but they grow up in Australia, so I didn’t grow up with them. So I didn’t know what it was really like being an older brother, feeding into that “get up” thing. Normally I’d be like, “Are you OK?” I actually did a lot of research for that. That was an important thing for me, to find the essence of being an older brother, and someone... I mean Newt is a worry for Theseus.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 7

Callum Turner: And with Newt, it was very important not to play the hardened brother because that's not what he is. And I think the relationship between Newt and Theseus is that Newt is running away. Theseus is worried about Newt. He thinks he's slightly odd, he's not part of the same society or the system that he's in, and Theseus is actually trying to drag him into line, into what Theseus thinks Newt should be. And I think that's the mistake. But actually, it's born out of love. It's not born out of authority or anything. He's worried and he realizes the world around them is crumbling. He says it to him at the beginning of the film. "You have to pick a side. You have to make a choice." And that's the theme of the film, for me. And actually, what he's doing is suffocating him. He's not allowing him to breathe, instead of that "Easy, easy." I'm sure Newt, then, would be like, "Hey, Theseus, what's going on?" But he's not. He's like, "Do this. Do that. Because I know best." And that's the similarity between the two. They're so stubborn. Theseus says, "Do this," and Newt just goes, "No," straight away. He doesn't even think about... and that's the beauty; by the end of the film they're in line and they take force of the situation that they're in. But their ideologies combine, in a sense.

- Mugglenet

David Heyman: Family is a big part of it, and, you know, it's both the family you're born with and the family you make. That's a big part of, I think, of the themes of Jo's work. So family is a part of it, including the relationship between Newt and Theseus. Seeing Eddie and Callum next to each other, they really do feel like brothers, and you know, Theseus is a Ministry man, but Newt is still his brother, and that relationship is really beautiful and strong. So to answer your question, yes, family is very much a part of it, where you come from, who you are.

- Collider

David Heyman:  Callum brings such an authority and an authenticity to the part. I mean, you really believe that he’s Eddie’s brother and, as he so rightly said, they are opposites and yet are very clearly brothers. And what he did so brilliantly in his audition – and it’s in Jo’s [J.K. Rowling’s] writing, as well – was that you had a sense that these two people have a history. So, there is both an affection, but also a little bit of that brotherly or fraternal thing, which I think really comes across. And, you know, Theseus is a Ministry man. Newt is not a Ministry man. That brotherly love, I think, is one of the heartbeats of the film.

- No More Work Horse

THESEUS: This isn't going to be like the other times. This is . . . Just try and keep an open mind, will you? And maybe a little less— A wordless gesture indicates Pickett, NEWT'S blue coat, and his messy hair.

NEWT —like me?

THESEUS (not without affection): Well, it can't hurt. Come on, let's go.

- Crimes of Grindelwald: The Original Screenplay

David Heyman: But what I love about brothers in this film is that ultimately, brotherhood is more important than anything and that the two of them begin on opposite sides of it. Theseus is a Ministry man and Newt is anti-establishment. And yet, even while that is going on, Theseus whispers in his ear, "They're following you," which is a betrayal of the Ministry, but it is his brother and he's trying to get his brother to go to him. He's trying to help him, I think, not because he wants him to be on the Ministry's side. He knows what's true for Newt. And he wants to help. So the way these people both move, Newt comes through realizing he's going to have to join the battle, and Theseus realizes he might have to do it outside of the traditional Ministry platform. They're doing it as brothers, stronger together.

- Mugglenet

Callum Turner: I hope they are friends. I hope they they are best buds. I think they deserve to be friends, right? There’s been a lot of bad press in the press about their relationship. I’m sick of it. 

Eddie Redmayne: I feel like by the end, they really bond in this film. It’s an amazing thing in family, isn’ it? Where you have difficult times and dynamics, moments when there’s friction and then something happens and you kind of lean into each other a bit. I’m excited for the prospect of the Scamander brothers taking on the world together.

- IGN España

NEWT shuffles over awkwardly to the bereft THESEUS. NEWT hesitates, struggling to find words of comfort. Then, for the first time in his life, he puts his arms around his brother. They hug.

- Crimes of Grindelwald: The Original Screenplay

Secrets of Dumbledore:

Eddie Redmayne: One of the key themes is siblings really. It's there with my brother Theseus played by Callum Turner who I adore, and the complexity of those relationships in families when you're all of the same blood, but you've got completely different personality traits, and you have great love even though you are entirely different people.

- ChicagoSciFi

Eddie Redmayne: Newt is not a social animal. He is much more at ease with his creatures. He' s not inherently someone that' s good at being part of the system and he didn' t really fit in at school. In fact, he ended up being thrown out! Whereas Theseus is very much the schoolboy hero who' s gone into a life within the Ministry, was a war hero himself and has a physical authority and a facility with people that Newt just doesn' t have. So they' re sort of chalk and cheese and yet because in this movie they have to work together they begin to realise that actually they complement each other quite well.

- Secrets of Dumbledore: The Original Screenplay

Callum Turner: Between the brothers, they're re-entering a stage in their relationship that they haven't been there for a long time probably since they were kids, both of them trying to be more open with the other, I'd say that Theseus maybe a little bit more than Newt, and they're developing an understanding, a respect for the way that the other person thinks and using that for the greater good.

- ChicagoSciFi

Callum Turner: Well, I think what's so brilliant about the way that Steve and J.K. wrote this relationship is that it's complex. It's like two brothers that have a fractured relationship of growing apart, unfortunately, for every reason, and I think the reason is that they both think they are right. With this one, they align themselves. They both allow themselves to be slightly more flexible and see the way the other fuses the world a little bit more, and that allows them to come together to fight the good fight together.

- Secrets of Dumbledore Interview

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Eddie on what Newt has learned from Dumbledore over the years: “I feel like sort of Dumbledore’s caught Newt out of his shell a little bit. Newt’s someone that is most happy in his own company or the company of creatures. He’s an introvert ...Gentle nudges and occasionally a shove...Dumbledore’s kind of made him engage and entrusted him with stuff, so he sort of I think in this film he sort of asks Newt to step up to being a leader, and what I love is that Newt does it but in like most Newty ways possible. Since he’s not quite sure how to be a leader but just sort of vomited his way through it.”

Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore cast Q&A with Tom Felton

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Dermot Power: Most of the visuals I did for FB3 were written out of the script by the time the film came out, but the new york winter ones stuck, particularly this one of Dumbledore making his way towards Manhattan bridge.

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“Grindelwald does still have feelings for Dumbledore, although some of those feelings have turned to resentment and bitterness because of Dumbledore's abandoning of the cause, as he would see it. So, though Grindelwald will stop at nothing to become head of the wizarding world, beneath that lies a melancholy, a sadness for what he has lost—the one who was his lover, his co-conspirator and his equal. Being the two most brilliant and powerful wizards had brought them together, but the difference in their values tore them apart. Now, despite being surrounded by people, Dumbledore and Grindelwald are alone, and that loneliness is something they have in common. But, that does not make Grindelwald any less evil.”

David Heyman in Secrets of Dumbledore production notes posted by Snitchseeker

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Queenie & Grindelwald

Crimes of Grindelwald:

Alison Sudol: It's not so lovely for Queenie in this film. She has trouble because she doesn't speak French. She's not good at languages period. She has trouble with Newt's accent, so forget about Paris. So she's kind of getting a lot of information that she can't filter through in the way that she does. She's like clogged up by all of these information that she can't process, which is also part of the reason why it's easy for Grindelwald to manipulate her, because her instincts are not functioning properly.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 6

Dan Fogler: I feel like she also reads heart shockers. If your intention is pure, then it confuses her. Even if you're an evil bastard, if you're intention is pure, she's like, "Oh, this person means well."

Alison Sudol: It's true, there's a purity … because her gift hasn't been something that she has been taught to use. She hasn't been mentored. It is literally, "Queenie, stop reading my mind." She could be one of the great witches of her all time with this gift, but it's seen as a nuisance. So, if you don't have mentorship, and you're taught that something about you is wrong – and you aren't developing it, it's only just happening to you – then the discernment between a pure intention and a pure intention of harm, you know, is quite confusing if it muddles the senses. That's what we encounter in this with her.

- Snitchseeker

I was wondering, wouldn't Queenie have noticed the change in Graves [Grindelwald]' thinking even though he looked the same?

JK Rowling: Occlumency.

- Twitter

Mads Mikkelsen: If I offer a character that is under distress and frustrated, alone, a misfit, if I offer some comfort and an ear that would listen, it's a smart way to get you followers.

Alison Sudol: Absolutely. You sense vulnerability and you use it, and it was painful actually. I know that might sound strange, but any time you are put in a position where you need to look more deeply into yourself or into humanity to learn about someone, I think it's really positive, because it just brings more understanding into the human condition really.

- Secrets of Dumbledore Interview

Alison Sudol: She made the mistake of believing Grindelwald could offer a better alternative. He used her vulnerability to his advantage, telling her what she wanted to hear, meanwhile separating her from everyone and everything she loved. He understands people's base desires and he plays into them. That's why he's so dangerous. It's something that happens in the real world all the time, a trap that so many young people fall into. We are not taught how to converse with our desires, we're taught to suppress them to fit in. It takes the considerable power of owning our feelings away from us and leaves it up for grabs, makes us a target for manipulation.

- Secrets of Dumbledore Production Notes

Alison Sudol: At the end of the second film, we see Queenie make a pretty shocking decision, something that no one really expected. But if you follow through the film, if you really think about it, she was sort of in one unfortunate circumstance after another because of the way that the wizarding world operates and the prejudice. Really all she wants to do is just be with the person she loves. The narrow-mindedness of the world she lives in puts her into a really vulnerable position where somebody that's really manipulative can tell her what she wants to hear, and that's gonna have an impact.

- Secrets of Dumbledore Press Conference

Alison Sudol: Well, Grindelwald told her what she wanted to hear, didn’t he? I mean, anyone with a little power of observation could see that she was desperate to be with Jacob legitimately, which was a much bigger deal at that time than it is today. She would do anything to be able to be with him. And because of the restrictions by the wizarding world, the narrow mindedness, the prejudice towards non-magical people, she was vulnerable to anyone who would say it could be different. Grindelwald pretended to be sympathetic to non-magical people to get her on his side. If the wizarding world had been more open-minded, she never would’ve been in this situation.

- Bearpost

Alison Sudol: In the last film, a lot of people were shocked by what she did, but then, as I thought about more and more about what happens in that film, she's abandoned by the people that she loves, and her sister's not there, and she and Jacob are fighting, and Newt humiliates her, and she's also up against a huge amount of prejudice, and Grindelwald offers what seems like an alternative to a world that is broken and is not allowing her to be with the person she loves.

- Secrets of Dumbledore Interview

“Grindelwald actually sounds like he’s all for love — if you love a Muggle, you should be allowed to be with them, and you should be allowed to marry,” Fogler reveals. “But wizards, he feels, should be on a pedestal. This is very tantalizing to some.

- Entertainment Weekly

Dan Fogler: Dumbledore can say the same thing and so can Grindelwald in his heart. That's why it's so easy for her. She's like, "Wow, he really believes this, that this can happen." This utopia that he's promising with his silver tongue. But there's a part of him that it's for love. So it's very confusing, which makes for really complex, dramatic, great scenes to play. Really interesting subject matter. 

- Sensacine

JK Rowling: We watch him corrupt an innocent, and we see his immense seductive duplicities, gift for speech in the final scene where we really see the danger of the man. 

If we look at what he is saying and analyse it, it does fall apart. However, if you're not paying a lot of attention to the substance and the inherent contractions in what he's saying, it sounds very seductive, very plausible, and it can persuade people that you or I might consider good people.

- ChicagoSciFi

'He's also a bit flirty,' says Sudol. 'It's the age-old thing of the good girl getting swayed by the bad boy.'

- Lights, Camera, Magic!: The Making of Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald

Alison Sudol: Grindelwald is very skilled at reading people, at understanding when someone is vulnerable and what they need to hear, and he also sees a part of her that she hasn't accepted in herself, which is this extraordinary gift that she has. There's a power there and there's a pull. There's no doubt about it.

- Secrets of Dumbledore Interview

Alison Sudol: So she is scooped up by Grindelwald in easily the most vulnerable moment that she's had in her adult life. She has very little at this point left to go to, so she's not protected by anything in that moment and he comes in, and it's very interesting the way that Jo's done this. Basically, you think of a predator or an evil person, a bad person's gonna come in and they are gonna be like an ogre and horrible and being like killing kittens in front of you and you are gonna be able to see that they are evil, but the thing about Grindelwald is that he's a master manipulator. He's all things to everyone that they need, and that is why he is so dangerous, and to Queenie, he very quickly understands that the way to get to her is through her giant heart, which is very open and very sore, and he comes in, he's vulnerable to her and sort of appeals to her and also reacts to her gift, which is a gift of being able to read minds, but Queenie's never been told that it's a gift. She's always been shushed, and It's always been a frustration and an annoyance to the people around her, and here you have this very intriguing, mysterious man who sees her as this powerful woman, and also he's saying, "I want what you want. I want you be able to love freely." She's been rejected by Jacob; it's no wonder she gets swayed by Grindelwald.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 6 & The Archive of Magic : The Film Wizardry of Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald

Poppy Corby-Tuech: I think this is the power of Grindelwald, that he doesn't... He could've poisoned her, he could've drugged her, he could've used a spell, but actually I think he trusted that she would come to him in a really natural way and it would come from hers as opposed to her being forced. That is really the way that he's persuading a lot of people to do his very dark things around and it's not through mind games or through torture. It's through the sheer power of the words. Obviously, there's manipulation at the intent of it, but it's like, "If we lay the breadcrumbs, they will come."

- Speakbeasty

David Heyman: I think the fact that even Queenie can go over is really significant. The fact is that for me, Grindelwald is a much scarier villain than Voldemort. Because Voldemort was pure evil. People follow Voldemort as much because of brute, his power and brute force than his power of persuasion. The thing about Grindelwald is he makes sense or he makes sense to people. He speaks to the needs that people have. He understands his audience and he gives them what they want to serve his own needs. So I understand Queenie who wants to be with Jacob but where the magical laws deny her that possibility. You can see why someone who tells her in his world, in the world that he will rule, that she will be able to have what she wants. You understand why she goes over.  And that makes it to me, Grindelwald is relevant. He speaks to today. But he's also, because history repeats itself, a timeless villain and I think he's incredibly scary.

- Empire Podcast

David Heyman: Grindelwald is to me a much scarier villain than Voldemort, because Grindelwald makes sense to certain people. Voldemort's power is fear and intimidation. As Callum said, Grindelwald seduces. As much as we may hate certain politicians because they do not speak our language, we have to understand that they are answering the needs and vulnerabilities and insecurities of others. Grindelwald is doing that. That's why Queenie goes over. He makes perfect sense. I understand why Queenie does what she does. I may hate it. I may not like it, it may make me sad, but yeah [it makes sense].

- Coup De Main

His eyes meet QUEENIE'S in the front row.

GRINDELWALD —and for love.

We pan across QUEENIE, now heart and soul his .. .

- Crimes of Grindelwald: The Original Screenplay

Secrets of Dumbledore:

Alison Sudol: Queenie made a choice to take marrying Jacob into her own hands in the second film, which set off a chain reaction of unfortunate events that ultimately left her vulnerable and alone. Ultimately, she made a choice to cross over to Grindelwald’s side. It was shocking for a lot of people, but she was wounded and reckless. There was a lot of chaos around that decision, and it happened in a split second. Now in this new film, things have calmed down and the sobering reality of the world that she now lives in has descended. It’s not a world that she fits into, but she’s had to assimilate. Grindelwald sees her as a valuable asset for her power to read minds, which puts her in an important position among Grindelwald’s minions. That doesn’t mean she’s safe. She’s navigating this as best as she can, and it’s intense!

- Bearpost

Alison Sudol: So at the start of this film, we find her in a world that is very different than any world she's ever been in before. She's also being utilised for this tremendous power that she has, that she's either had to hide in the past or she's been made feel guilty about, and there is something interesting about that, about a person who hasn't actually been able to live fully as who they are, and I think a lot of young woman can relate to that as well, of what happens when somebody sees that thing, that burning part of you that nobody else sees. It's a tricky, interesting position. We don't really know where she's really to go and who she is and how she's going to move forward, because she's at a point in her life where she has sort of two ways to go, but she's made a decision that you can't really just say to Gellert Grindelwald, "Sorry, I actually..." It's pretty creeping, so maybe she won't be able to get away or mabye she will. That's what her journey is now.

- Secrets of Dumbledore Press Conference

Alison Sudol: Grindelwald's on a mission to become the leader of the wizarding world by hooker, by crook. He's not the kind of guy that's gonna do it the right way. He's gonna do it the way that makes it happen, and earlier on, she observes him do something completely unthinkable and cruel, disgustingly cruel to an innocent creature for his own benefit, and it's shocking, and it's unclear what she's seen up until then, but I don't think it takes her very long to realise that she's dealing with seriously villainous people.

- ChicagoSciFi

Mads Mikkelsen: He's an odd man, because he picks some allies that he knows are not fully on his side. So there's a little game for him. He seems to take pleasure in manipulating people that he knows are not a believer of him. But obviously if you can turn them over completely, it's a win-win situation. If you can't, he will have a very fun and good time with them. But also it's an old saying, right? Keep your enemies very very tight, very close. But she's a fantastic tool as well. She has the ability to read people's minds, and that can come in very handy.

- ChicagoSciFi

Mads Mikkelsen: Oh, Grindelwald doesn’t trust her at all. But there’s something about Queenie—she can read other people���s minds, but she’s also a very bad liar at the same time. So, Grindelwald has a hunch he can trust her to the degree that she can’t lie straight to his face. And then, as was said before, both Dumbledore and Grindelwald have this tendency to manipulate people around them. The difference is that Grindelwald doesn’t mind people around him that could be dangerous for him. He finds it interesting. It’s a little game. Life becomes more interesting when you have people around you that might turn on you. It keeps him on his toes.

- Bearpost

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Mads Mikkelsen: It's a matter of different marks, right? They both have one goal, is to make the world a better place, which is a terrible goal. It's a goal we all want. The way to get there, they have different plans, right? And your heart has been starving, as I believe Grindelwald's heart has. I think he's seen something. It's not in the books, but I have a hunch － Something happened to people very close with him that made his heart very dark for good reason, and he cannot get out of that darkness. I think it's tricky. It takes a little more than just the love of Dumbledore for him to see the light.

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David Yates: Berlin in 1932, wonderfully atmospheric.

Miraphora Mina: Looking at reference material of Berlin in the '30s, it was very spare.

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You had more opportunities in the last film to work with Jude, because in Crimes of Grindelwald I don't recall we have scenes with Dumbledore and Bunty.

Victoria Yeates: No, there was more. They changed the script. There was more in the first one, and then it got moved, kind of me saving the day got moved to this film. So there was gonna be more, and then it changed more into this film, which was more about the goodies.

So those scenes from Crimes of Grindelwald, they got cut. Where would Bunty and Dumbledore have run into each other?

Victoria Yeates: I don't know. I didn't get to see them. Yeah, I just knew it like a vague something or other, because they were planning it all out. They were trying to also work out dates with Neal Street in Call the Midwife and trying to get me released so that I can do the film, and that was a bit complicated.

At the end of Secrets of Dumbledore, even if she is kind of the hero who saves the day, the way that she talked about Tina at the end, we feel like, "No, it can't be end of the story." We need more because she's still in grief for what should have been.

Victoria Yeates: That was what got decided when we got to that scene. I said to Eddie, I said, "I want the audience to know that I'm letting you go. I don't want this to continue", and I think that's a really beautiful thing when you love someone, seeing the other person's photo and saying, "That's who you should be with." Sometimes you just know that's who you're supposed to be with, and I think that again shows you a depth of emotional maturity, just an incredible aspect of her person, to look at someone and go, "You know, you love Tina. You know, go for it. You know you do." Yeah, I thought that was really a lovely way to finish that arc for her, and then it opens up for everything.

What a shame that we missed out on girlboss, hyper-competent Bunty.

Victoria Yeates: I know. I know. It was like a really good scene about character, which I suppose why they wrote it in. It was long enough as it was, things have to go. But she really gives it to the Nifflers. She's really strict with them, and she really tells them off. She just absolutely has it, like, "I'm not having any more of your nonsense. She's really like, "Look, get back in the case, now." David said, "I love how you shout at the Nifflers." I'm really like strict.

So obviously we've talked a lot about Bunty's character. Why do you think she is the right choice to carry the real case? Why was she the chosen one in that situation?

Victoria Yeates: Because she's completely unexpected. So who's gonna be trying to chase Bunty? It's a good choice, isn't it? It's like when you pick spies or people like that, you are not gonna go for someone that's really loud-mouthed and obvious, and I think that there was a bit that was cut where Dumbledore and Newt are talking, and Dumbledore says that Bunty, she's incredible, your assistant, and he says, "I chose her because she's like the Qilin, because she's pure of heart." Yeah, and so that is the essence of the whole film, is that her and the Qilin represent each other and she's pure of heart, and only someone pure of heart can say to the person they love, "Go and be with someone else." Because that's real love, isn't it? When you really want someone to be happy. Yeah, so that was why she was chosen, and obviously the Qilin would be comfortable with her.

So when it actually comes to Bunty's crush, do you have any idea about that backstory, about how she became so attached, how it was so intense? Obviously she lets up by the end, but it was like...

Victoria Yeates: Yeah, it's been eight years, isn' it? So she idolised him at school. This is what I think. So, yeah, she's admired him from afar and then she goes to the book signing, and I think there's a photograph of that in the first movie, and so she goes to the book signing and it's just like really gauche, such a big fan, and just says, "Do you need an assistant? I'll come and help you. I'll just come and help, you know. That's fine, whatever you need." She just imposed herself on him, and that's it, and she just goes in, and that's it, just get herself a job. So that's the thing, isn't it? This is where you start to piece things together. She's that kind of person. She goes for what she wants also. There's gotta be a part of her where she goes, "Right, I'm gonna not only goes to the book signing, I'm gonna go up to him and say, 'You need an assistant. I'm gonna be an assistant. Can I be your assistant?'" He doesn't know what to do because he's probably like, "No." His type of character is not just gonna let someone in. She'd have to be quite persistent, I think, to get in. He's not just gonna go, "Oh, yeah, here we go. Come on down." He's really socially inept. He doesn't want someone around. She's got to become indispensable to him. So another knock on the door, turns up again, "Just thought you might need some help," and then he's like, "Look, this girl keeps coming. I just feel now she just stayed."

So you said that you were supposed to go film in Portugal for what scenes?

Victoria Yeates: So it was gonna be set in Brazil. So we were all gonna get three months or something in Portugal, yeah, and then that old Covid bug put an all stopper on that. I know, we were so excited. We were like, "Oh my God, I bet we get an amazing hotel. We would have time off to go to the beach. Oh, wow. Be wild."

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Aleksandr Kuznetsov: I had more lines. Huge movies like this get edited a lot. I feel like they cut 40% of Mads Mikkelsen's lines. The dark side, the Slytherin side got edited a lot. They focused on Dumbledore's team when they were editing the movie. They cut everyone. They cut a scene where I had a long conversation with everyone.

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How many of your own ideas about magic and your character that were not scripted then they get into the movie?

Dan Fogler: Yeah, I did a lot of improv, which was surprising. I was trying to improv on the first day and they were like, "Great. We don't have novels to adhere to here. Jacob's a new character and just have fun." So my favorite bits in the first movie was , “My uncle's a house-elf.” I love that bit. It’s really funny to me, and I meanthe giggle water laugh, and I try to sneak in improvs into every scene if I can. I feel like me. Yeah, like my favorite one was in the third movie, basically that whole scene where I'm at Hogwarts at the dinner table like, "I got for Christmas", and all that. The whole scene's like very very improvised.

Have you ever tried to make one of Jacob's signature fake pastries yourself?

Dan Fogler: That scene was very magical, being in the bakery and there was some prop food. A lot of that food was real and it smells. I said that that was like one of the first shots we shot, which is crazy, because that's the shot where Alison walks in, and I remember her and touch my neck, and it was just the last scene.

I was wondering what would be yours [headcanon] about Jacob, like something that isn't in the movie like,"OK, this should be a actual canon like fact."

There’s a character named Quentin Kowalski, a Quidditch player. This is a real character that exists. He’s a Quidditch player. He’s got the male version of Queenie’s first name and my last name. So that’s gotta be my grandson something. So I like to imagine this amazing Quidditch star Kowalski. Jacob stands like,“Yeah, that’s my grandson!” And the pride of that. It’s kinda like reverse-engineering. Was Jacob... What's his relations in Hufflepuff?

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"The archetype of Queenie, particularly, was really interesting to me and how much she'd matter to people, especially young women. I was really excited to have that responsibility.”

“It's a classic archetype, right? The uninitiated, bright eyed girl is naive and gets manipulated by somebody of darker intent, goes into the underworld, has some deep realisations and fights back to the light, but with much more wisdom and sense of self than before. That's an archetype that appears in lots of different storylines.”

“It's difficult to achieve that kind of detail on a large scale,” says Sudol, choosing her words carefully. 

“Especially an action piece with loads of different characters and lots of plot to achieve. I don't know that all that was always clear, and there were some aspects of it that I rubbed up against,” she says of Queenie’s character development. 

“But it's not my story. I just did the best that I could with what I was given. I think if people came away with a sense of that archetype, then that's good. I'm always overthinking things, clearly! It's also just entertainment, isn't it? It's her journey, and that's my framework.”

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Jacob & Queenie

Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them:

Dan Fogler: Yeah. It’s love at first sight. He sees her, and he doesn’t know if it’s just the magic in the air or there’s something about her that’s just, like, they were meant to be together, but they’re not allowed to be together.

- Mugglenet

Dan Fogler: For Jacob, he’s reeling from the Murtlap bite, he already feels like he’s dreaming, and he sees this enchanting, delicious woman. For him, I think it is definitely love at first sight. He’s never seen anything like her; he thinks she’s an angel. Then she can cook, and that’s it, it’s almost like he’s proposing at that point.

- Leaky Cauldron

Dan Fogler: I think jacob smells like cookies so he's got that going for him. and he's easy to talk to and he survived the war. So i guess that's attractive. He probably had one or two girlfriends before Queenie. But she's the girl of his dreams obviously.

- Reddit

Dan Fogler: When he first sees her, it hits him like a bolt of lightning because she's such an enchanting person. He sees this woman and she's putting on her dress and she's making the strudel. That's his first taste literally of the magical world that is really inviting and hypnotizing as opposed to scary like the Murtlap. This is really lovely and warm and when they were sitting around the table smelling all the smells and the candles, that just felt magical really. It felt magical, yeah. 

- Fenghuang

Dan Fogler: Queenie is just an angel. The two of them start to fall in love and it gives Jacob a real reason to wanna stick around. There are strict laws specially in New York that we're not allowed to be together, which also mirrors the, you know, racism at the time. It's really beautiful how J.K. parallels all these cultural conundrums.

- Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them bluray extras: The No-Maj Baker

Alison Sudol: There’s more of an “us and them” mentality. And they’re always intermingling, so it’s this strange sense of living with people [whom] you’re fascinated by but you’re not really allowed to get close to, because otherwise it could just jeopardize everything. I think it’s just a very different dynamic. And then there’s an interesting dynamic between Queenie and well, all of us, really. And Jacob, who isn’t magical. Because there’s this fascination and a realization that humanity can access: Even though we may be a little bit different – we can cook dinner with our wands – there is still something very much in common between the two worlds.

- Mugglenet

Alison Sudol: It’s lovely because there is a fascination, and a curiosity, as she has never met a no-maj before. There is obviously, immediately an energy and a banter between them, and a connection. But it’s as she gets to know him more. It’s the way he is with her, the kind of person he is, she falls in love. It’s quick, it doesn’t take a long time.

- Leaky Cauldron

Alison Sudol: But Jacob, in particular: He’s just such a kind, kind man, and because she’s able to see into him like she does in everyone, she sees how kind and good he is through and through. It’s a real lovely dynamic between the two of them that he can’t hide from her, and he has nothing to hide because even when he says something that he doesn’t mean to, it’s still great.

- Mugglenet

Alison Sudol:  Well, he's just a really good person, and he's really kind, and he's interested in what she has to say, and there's just a sweetness to him. There's not a duality going on. He is a whole person. What you see coming forth is actually what he's thinking and feeling, and there's an innocence to him as well. And Queenie just sees all that, and he's really brave as well. He's going on this adventure, and he doesn't have a wand. We all do, and he's just right there with them, and there's just so much to love for her, and he doesn't look at her like a thing. He looks at her like a human being, and she knows that because she can see what he's thinking.

- Mugglenet

Alison Sudol: It's easy really that the minitue that Queenie sees him, she's already fascinated by him. There's just a sparkle there and then the more she sees into him, the more she sees how lovely he is all the way through because sometimes somebody can give a front or facade. They seem lovely, but then you look underneath and there's a lot more to it than what a person shows, and Jacob is just kind. He is funny. He looks at her like human being and sees her magic and not just what she looks like and also he bakes. So there's a lot of commonality there. He's just wonderful. He's absolutely charming like an old movie star.  

- Fenghuang

Alison Sudol: Queenie loves Jacob. He's loyal. He loves to bake and she loves to cook, makes her laugh. He respects her. There's a real sense of gold fashion true gentlemanliness.

- Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them bluray extras: The No-Maj Baker

Alison Sudol: There was this lovely romance, but it's based on even though they are really warm, they are "people" people, they are very good with people, but they are also quite lonely, and they are from very different worlds, and yet they have a lot in common actually inside. They are very sweet people, good, kind, and they both love to bake and cook and nurture, and so seeing them come together, you just really root for these two people who aren't supposed to be together, aren't even supposed to talk to each other, and yet they find such joy in each other, and that joy is built over into us in those moments.

- IGN

David Yates: There's a great lovely song that we got Alison to write, an "Over the Morning" song, and she sings it with Katherine in front of the boys. Then as they sing it, the boys kind of slowly fall in love with them.

- Knockturnal

Claire: So some of the other deleted scenes we've seen seem to just…  But there were lovely ones – two between Jacob and Queenie: a slight extension on the roof where you find out about his brother dying [and] a lovely one in Macy's where Queenie says to him, "Oh, you don't wish you could read other people's minds because not everyone's as nice as you.” I guess this goes back to the background stuff, but what do you think led to those wordings, and what do you think it is about Jacob that's just so pure and so nice?

Alison Sudol: I mean, those were two scenes that we really, really, really loved shooting. The one on the roof felt so classic. It felt like a Casablanca moment or something when we were filming it; it was amazing. And then that one on the floor was so intimate, and Jacob's soul is pure; there's an innocence to him that hasn't been tapered by all that he's been through and a real kindness to him. And I think when you see those moments, you just realize what… for me, realizing what they've both been through, separately. They both have that innocence that comes from choosing to stay pure despite their individual circumstances – in Jacob's case, the war; in Queenie's case, seeing into men's heads all the time, and it's not something she can control, and it's definitely not something she would wish for in many cases. And I think there's a real sweetness to that commonality there. These are two people [who] have very similar spirits in that way.

- Mugglenet

Alison Sudol: So in the first film, there was this real innocence and vulnerability and joy and excitement that she had because there was a adventure suddenly happening in her life. She was just delighted about that and then to have that adventure happening alongside meeting Jacob, for her it was just wonderful. It was really delicious exploring that.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 6

Did Jacob feel regret forget thsoe magical experience?

Alison Sudol: He's so brave. He knows how difficult it would be if he doesn't, that he'll get everybody in trouble and he does it willingly. It's a very beautiful act. 

If it were possible, would Queenie like Jacob to keep his memory about Magic?

Alison Sudol: I think that Queenie would be happy to go with Jacob anywhere, that Queenie would willingly run away with him because she's in love with him. It's really much more on him. He's doing this for her. He knows that her life would be much harder if...

- Guokr

Alison Sudol: I think that like everybody she probably tried to get back to her life, and tried to resume things as they were. Obviously, that was difficult because they'd had this life-changing experience. It's really hard to go back to an office job when you've had a great adventure with magical creatures and the world almost ending, and then just try and do some paperwork. So I think that's why she shows up, because she can't let him go. That's my theory. Actually, I can't imagine what else she would be doing. To be honest, it wasn't specific when we were making the film, how much time had passed. The fact that it was three months wasn't actually something that we were told during the making of the film. Which it's totally possible that it was – but it could have been a couple of weeks – but I think that it being three months makes sense because there's been enough time that she would take the risk of going back to Jacob.

- Snitchseeker

Dan Fogler: Oh wow. My theory is that she’s been watching from afar and then builds up the courage to see if he remembers.

David Yates: I love the idea that she’s poked along and looked in the window half a dozen times.

- Snitchseeker

Dan Fogler: So this is kind of what I made up for myself: Between the bite and eating the magic strudel, and the medicine he put on, and hanging out with creatures, and everything, and the kiss—I think it gave some kind of protection against the Obliviation Spell.

- Den of Geek

Dan Fogler: We shot the last scene first.

Alison Sudol: Yeah. I mean, I think there's something sort of alchemical about this mysterious thing between certain people that just lights up when you interact with them and they were really looking for that between the four of us actually. That was a big part of all the screen test, was making sure that just kind of standing around that we had electricity between us. I think also because, at least for myself, that that was the first time that we shot anything, that was the first scene we've been in, so I think there was a real vulnerability there and also just adrenaline and excitement for starting this film. I actually love that we shot that. At first, I was like, "We're shooting the last scene first. This is insane." Like, "Arghhhh". But I'm glad we had that, because that kind of started out the movie really beautifully in a way, that connection.

- BUILD Series

Dan Fogler: That scene was very magical, being in the bakery and there was some prop food. A lot of that food was real and it smells. I said that that was like one of the first shots we shot, which is crazy, because that's the shot where Alison walks in, and I remember her and touch my neck, and it was just the last scene.

- Shenanigans in Motion

Crimes of Grindelwald:

Alison Sudol: There's always a lot that goes into the preparation of making a film that doesn't actually end up on screen. In order to figure out, like how you got there, yeah, I mean, I know I did a lot of thinking and imagining and searching farther back even up like how Queenie grow up and why she makes certain decisions that she does in this film and, you know, the kind of fights that we [Queenie and Jacob] might've been having in a sort of like issues that have been building up in their relationship. Also the love is very easy. The love is very clear between them, but just like seeing how things sort of escalating.

- Cinemablend

Alison Sudol: I mean, I think that the love between Queenie and Jacob is involuntary. It just is. It's a fact. There's misunderstanding, there's fear, there's outward circumstances making things very difficult.

- Little Red Book

Alison Sudol: We come to see Queenie and she's been in a relationship and it's not just a regular relationship. It's a forbidden relationship essentially. She is majorly breaking loose, and doing so has caused a huge rift with her sister. She's very focused on having her man.

- Sky Cinema

Alison Sudol: The fact that there's this ridiculous law in the U.S. that prevents magical and nonmagical people from having any real interactions with each other, let alone intimate relationships. It's a cruel and archaic law. The fact that Queenie and Jacob are not allowed to get married drives her to do some more extreme things that she might not normally do.

- Entertainment Weekly: The Ultimate Guide to Fantastic Beasts

Alison Sudol: They're two people who are dealing with a really unfair situation. You know. love is hard enough to find－period. To have something as arbitrary as "you're different and you cannot mingle, you certainly can't be together"－it's ludicrous. Queenie certainly thinks it's ridiculous, and just wants to be with someone she loves. It's particularly hard because she can read everyone's minds－there's not a lot of mystery with men, you know? So when she finds a good one, she's going to do what she has to do, which is not necessarily always making the wisest choices.

- SFX Magazine

Alison Sudol: So already in last film you see she's kind of breaking the rules by coming back to Jacob and then this time around, you see that they've been in a relationship for a while. It's caused a huge rift with her sister and because she has this gift and she's been seeing into people's heads for so long and has never fallen in love with the way that she falls in love with Jacob, I think she's got a little bit of desperation not to lose that and because she's got the added thing of you can't have this, it pushes her to make perhaps not the wisest of choices, which we've all done in love. She just so deeply and desperately wants love and when Tina can't accept that and Tina's her only family, it means that everything is kind of on Jacob and so she's sort of going to have Jacob, whether Jacob likes it or not.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 6

Alison Sudol: Well, so the last one, she fell in love in that movie with Jacob quite head over heels, and she can't help herself, and she goes back to the bakery, and sort of brings back his memory. In the beginning of this one, she's grown up a bit. She's been in a relationship. There's more of a sophistication about her. I mean, everybody, we've all kind of grown in these months between, but she's also, you finding more of a force to her than we thought because she really, really, really wants to have a family and be normal, and she's about this extraordinary gift, this ability to read people, Legilimency, and she doesn't really want it, and everybody's always like, "Queenie, don't read my mind." It's an annoyance. This gift is actually a sign of a great wizard or witch, but she doesn't think it like that. So, she just wants to have babies and have a life, and unfortunately the system is saying, "That's impossible." So, there's something coming out in her. It's led by a bit of rebellion, and she's growing up and she's getting stronger, a bit headstrong I guess as well. She really, really, really, really wants to marry Jacob a lot.

Interviewer: She takes extreme measure.

Alison Sudol: She really does, and I admire her for that.

- SiriusXM

Dan Fogler: Queenie and Jacob are boyfriend and girlfriend before fb2 and they do what couples do. I think he wishes the laws were in their favor and they could be free to love however they wish. But of course Queenie takes matters into her own hands.

- Reddit

Alison Sudol: It's complicated, right? We're not supposed to know each other, let alone love each other. That's very, very, very forbidden, in a very backwards system of the state's magical law. So Queenie is not having that, basically. It's so hard to find love. It's so hard and rare. But also, Jacob’s been through a lot of life that maybe Queenie hasn’t seen yet – of war, and of real division, and seeing the dangers that can happen in the world. So he’s much more conservative than she is. She’s very like, “Nope, I love you and this is happening."

- Total Film

Dan Fogler: This one takes up where the first film left off, so a few months have passed. They're together, and because all the rules are so harsh, they're travelling to Europe to find a place to be together. How they get there is quite interesting.

- SFX Magazine

Dan Fogler: so am I... yeah hopefully Queenie locked up the bakery before hypnotizing jacob and dragging him to Europe! i would LOVE doing wwl battle scenes ! well after fb1 Queenie shows up in nyc and they make up for lost time. the bakery is thriving- and Queenie wants to fast track their Elopement. Of course Jacob didn't want to rock the boat. I'm sure their were some heated discussions that led to Queenie making the decisions she did in beginning of fb2.

- Reddit

Dan Fogler: I mean that's like the root of their relationship. She knows everything on this poor man's mind at all time. So luckily he's got a heart of gold, but god forbid he thinks that she's been a little nuts. There are so many things in a relationship that go unsaid and if they are said, you wouldn't be in a relationship.  It's true. There are cetain things you have to... that the super ego holds back because then you wouldn't be able to operate in society. But if you have someone that hears all that stuff, it's really hard to navigate that. So they both are in a huge dilemma. He's in love with her and she's in love with him.  But he's very practical. He was through war and he just wants to settle down and have his bakery and he doesn't want to rock the boat. He thinks that they could live for a very very long time, very happily, just like boyfriend and girlfriend and take it slow. He's about take it slow and she's all about, "Let's do this now."  How could you blame her, like if you had magical powers and you are just able to turn to your lover and said, 'You just come away with me." and put a spell on them. So you feel like in your heart you know what's best. She's like, "Listen, let's just run away. We will elope. We will get married and everything will be cool." and he hears that and is just like, "No, we will be hunted and we won't be cool." So you see what the dilemma is. You see why she makes the choice as she does and it's teribble that they can't be together. It's just awful. 

- 4D Xperience: S4 Episode9

Dan Fogler: I think that even with everything that comes along with Queenie, it’s a big thing between them, the fact that she can read his mind and it’s hard for him to live like that. Not be able to think the way you want to think, and luckily he’s a good person, and not being able to hear her thoughts is tough for him. I think that he pursues her because she’s an angel. He sees her and he’s like this is a 1 in a million thing for him, to find this women … he thinks of himself as this regular guy, and to have this extraordinary being be into him, he knows that’s a big blessing.

I think that he’s such a practical guy, I think that’s what got him through the WWI and he knows that the best way, the best outcome for their relationship, just right in the moment is to avoid a battle with these laws of wizardry you know what I mean? That’s in so many relationships you have this type of conversation where you’re like ‘let’s not rock the boat, things are great right now’, and she has this burning desire, and she should, to say screw that I want to be able to live like, not under the spotlight of negativity, and it’s really valiant what she’s trying to do. I think he’s scared and he doesn’t want her to go to jail; he doesn’t want worse to happen to them. He wants a family with her, he wants kids but, those kids will be hunted down if they lived in America. He’s got ties to America, he’s got dreams that he wants to fulfill, it’s hard to just suddenly say “yeah let’s pick up and never come back to America again”. I think he’s just trying to be practical and not rock the boat, which is why she has to put that spell on him. She’s like “I’ll just get the spell on him and I’ll just take him to Europe and we’ll get married, we’ll come back and it’ll be like nothing happened!”

- Knockturnal

Dan Fogler: The arc of the scene was that we’d kind of laid out that [the love potion] was how [Queenie] got [Jacob] there, to Europe. Jacob’s very practical, like ‘There’s no way we’re going to Europe – let’s live in secrecy, let’s not rock the boat!’, so [Queenie’s] like, ‘BOOP! Okay, now you’re under my spell — we’re going to Europe, and we’re going to get married.’ Over the course of that scene… [Queenie] gets [Jacob] all the way to Europe and I think it’s fine, but once Newt comes into the picture, I think she’s gotta juggle a little bit more, and the spell starts to unravel, and as you see – I start to become very weird and start to get more drunk over the course of [the scene], and it was a lot of fun to play. There was one thing that David Yates said – he really wanted this moment where I was holding onto [Alison] and looking at her and I was like ‘Okay I’ll just make this work!’, I thought I’d act like my daughter, who is two, and at the end of the night it goes from ‘Come here! Stay in one place!’ to  when you get her on one shoulder, and she just looks up you like she’s spacing out. I was like, ‘I’m gonna be like that!’

Alison Sudol: It was so strange! Such an odd dynamic – like this huge baby hanging onto me!

- Leaky Cauldron

Alison Sudol: It's this 'You're crazy', 'You're a coward' thing. You can't call [Queenie] crazy, it hurts to her, and you can't call [Jacob] a coward — it's the same pain. They both did it to each other, and that skews you out of thinking in your normal rationale. It's a hard one to come back from when you're so triggered. So these two people who really love each other are not able to see straight, because their wound has been pressed, hard. I think that that really informed a lot of what happened after that. It happens twice – in two key moments.

- Leaky Cauldron

Dan Fogler: That became a thing, the whole crazy thing. When we were putting together, what is our backstory? What is the hot topic that gets all of our [attention]? It's the classic thing that, in a relationship, what sets you guys up.

Alison Sudol: Yes, don't say that thing. Don't. You do not say that thing.

Dan Fogler: Don't say, "Are you crazy?" Don't say, "You're crazy." Don't say he's a coward.

Alison Sudol: Don't say that he's a coward. We did that.

Dan Fogler: Just don't say it. Then, what happens if you think it and she still hears it? That gets really tricky. She can't help having the emotions that she has. Maybe that is something at the heart of all this, where she has been fighting with herself. "Am I crazy? He's fighting with himself." "Am I a coward?" for whatever he didn't do.

Alison Sudol: And for not being willing to take the risk to be with her.

Dan Fogler: There's a lot of reasons. 

Alison Sudol: Yes. Still a sore subject. We haven't worked it out yet.

- Mugglenet

Do you think it bothered Jacob that she like used love potion on him or he was like OK with that?

Dan Fogler: I think he loves her so much that he forgave that within the first 30 seconds of talking to her and seeing how upset she was about it. He turns his angst into something that's cheerful. That's just Jacob, man. He's already making jokes when he's walking out after, "When are you gonna wake me up? After we have five kids?" He's already forgiven her.

- 4D Xperierence: S4 Episode9

Alison Sudol: You know, all she really wants is what everyone else gets to have, sort of a normal life, and to be able to love and get married and have children. That's kind of what she wants, and in that desire is sort of a negating of this huge gift that she has which unfortunately annoys everybody. This is the sign of a great witch or wizard, this Legilimency, but what she's met with all of the time is "Stop reading my mind." So there's starting to be a bit of a friction, I guess, within her, but she's trying very hard not to have that happen. She's got such optimism and love to give, and that optimism and love is what takes her, ultimately, on this journey. They have a fight but it's not really supposed to be a thing. They walk off and the fight accepted just goes and gets out of control.

Dan Fogler: There is a moment in the middle where we're in Paris and you hear me, and I feel like if it was Sliding Doors or whatever... Alison Sudol: If we had just met up... Dan Fogler: ... just in one corner, everything would have been okay. Even in - like you were saying - that first tiff, there's hope in there. Everything's going to be okay, which makes it feel really real.

- Mugglenet

Alison Sudol: Queenie is incredibly driven to be with Jacob and to have some way that this really unfair system can get out of their way so they can just be together. This is where I'm coming from. I don't think that she's turned evil at all. It's that she wants change.

- Adorocinema

Alison Sudol: She's scooped up by Grindelwald in what easily the most vulnerable moment she's had in her adult Iife...The thing about Grindelwald is that he's a master manipulator. With Queenie, he very quickly understands that the way to get to her is through her giant heart...He also reacts to her gift. Queenie' s never been told that is a gift. She's always been shushed and...it's been a frustration, an annoyance, to the people around her, and here you have this intriguing, mysterious man, who sees her as this powerful woman. She's been rejected by Jacob; It's no wonder she gets swayed by Grindelwald.

- The Archive of Magic: the Film Wizardry of Fantastic Beasts: the Crimes of Grindelwald

Alison Sudol: Jacob doesn't come with her. It's not so much about Jacob not coming with her to the dark side, it's like, 'Jacob, walk with me, we're in this together.' And she doesn't have those two[Jacob and Tina], so who does she have? Newt's kind of betrayed her — he called her out, it was embarrassing. What does she have?

- Entertainment Weekly

Dan Fogler: Oh, yeah. I think she’s really going. I think she’s like, “You know what, Jacob, you are not ready right now. Maybe you’ll never be ready. Maybe you’ll eventually be ready. I’m gonna go make the world a better place where muggles and wizards can be together[Muggles will be slaves], but Muggles and wizards can be together. You just wait it out over here.” And whether she comes back and finds him again and is like, "I told you so. Let’s get married”, that would be interesting.

- 4D Xperience: S4 Episode9

Dan Fogler: The thing with Jacob is if you call him a coward that really upsets him, and if you call or think she’s crazy that upsets her. In that first scene right after the dinner scene when Jacob and Queenie have that argument the reason that she leaves is because Jacobs thinks in his head, he doesn’t say it, but he thinks that she’s going nuts and the things that get under people’s skin are things that have truth to it. We thought wow in that scene where they separate and [she] joins Grindelwald, I was like I have to say it ‘you’re crazy’ because then I think for their relationship she would be upset enough to leave Jacob and Jacob would be upset enough to stay where he is and let her go because he really does think she’s lost her mind.

- FanFest

Dan Fogler: It's so natural for relationships, which is why people, I think, can relate to it and it's heart-wrenching. So when you get to that moment at the end in the amphitheater, where he says it out loud, "You are crazy," I think that's like that moment in a relationship where you're like, "You're not the person I thought you were. How can you vote for that guy?" Then it becomes, "I have to go and reflect and think about this. I love this person very much," but I think it's really shocking for Jacob, for the both of them. I think the strain of going to the Dark side is really hard on both of them, her going to the Dark side.

Alison Sudol: I think if you've been in a committed relationship, there's something there that is glue, that is binding, that you can say, "I'm done. I'm done." You don't really fully think you're done. I think with these two people, yes, they're done in that moment. They're incredibly angry. But also, the only thing that is putting Queenie into that position – the only thing that drives her forward – is making this happen. Otherwise, she would just go with her sister. I think that's an active weird backward hope.

Dan Fogler: It is hopeful.

Alison Sudol: It's hopeful, even though it seems...

Dan Fogler: Jacob walks away from that moment going, "If she does this, then I'll forgive her." It's a classic. The last moment in the movie, everyone is looking toward Hogwarts, and you look at Jacob and he's looking off toward the horizon that maybe she's coming, maybe she's going to have a change of heart. There's still that hope there.

Alison Sudol: That's what we like to hang onto with these two; it's not what they're going through but what is in them that's indestructible.

Dan Fogler: Indestructible.

- Mugglenet

Dan Fogler: I think he’s already forgiven her by the end of the movie. At the end of the movie he’s looking off at the horizon hoping that she’s going to come back. He’s in love with her forever.

- Fanfest

Secrets of Dumbledore:

Dan Fogler: You can find the song that just sums up everything, that will just speak to you and it will just put you in the right place you need to be for the scene. A lot of songs [are] about heartbreak and that’s at the center of Jacob and Queenie’s relationship.

- Syfy

Alison Sudol: We were in Jacob's bakery. The scene was the first thing that we filmed of the first film even though it was the end of the first film. It was the first thing that we started with. So it was really special and surreal to come back in this film and reprise that, wearing the same clothes and doing it. It was just the wildest feeling, and it smells incredible in there because they have real pastries.

- Cinema 21

Dan Fogler: When you first see Jacob, he is down on his luck; he’s very sad. He is depressed about losing Queenie and he feels kind of abandoned. He’s back in New York and you get a hint that it may be the beginning of the Great Depression, because things are starting to get rundown and he’s in a state of loss: he’s lost Queenie, he’s lost his appetite, and it looks like he’s losing his bakery. He is at the point where he is just so tired and rundown and hungry that he’s done. He’s done with the whole wizarding world situation. He just wants to get past this point, get on with his life. And that’s when they come knocking again.

He gets tricked by Lally to come out and show his true stripes. And then he sees that she is not a damsel in distress at all—that she is manipulating the whole situation, totally in charge. And when he sees this and sees that he’s been duped, he says, “No, no thank you. I want out; I don’t want any part of this,” and he’s done with it. He feels like he got involved with these witches and wizards, and it was such a rollercoaster and he wants to get off. He just wants to get off the ride, but she knows that he’s this very noble, loyal individual deep down and that, no matter what, if she mentions Queenie, that’s going to pique his interest. Any chance to get back together with her makes him reconsider. And he obviously eventually says yes, and goes with her.

Queenie is just his end all and be all, and if there is any chance to get back to her… But when you first see him in at the beginning of this film, it’s almost like that fire has burned out. He’s just so tired and at a point where he’s like, “All right, I guess I just have to forget about this. That was a chapter in my life and it’s over.” But when Lally comes in, there’s maybe an opportunity for him to get her back, then the flame is rekindled and he jumps back on board again. And I think that’s beautiful. He’s been through hell for this woman, but still there’s a little glimmer of hope. And you know, J.K. Rowling says that the most powerful magic in the whole wizarding world is love. And I tend to believe that’s right. I mean it just conquers all…and all reason. Everything in the world is telling him not to jump back onto the carousel. But he does because of Queenie.

- Bearpost

Dan Fogler: Yeah, he kind of reflects the times that he's living in. When you last saw him, he loses Queenie and he's so looking forward on the horizon, he's got that little glimmer of hope, and then when you see him at the beginning of this film, he's just in an endless cycle of loss. He's lost his appetite, he's lost his love, he's losing his bakery, and he's just in a state of depression, which is where we're leading into time-wise, and he's almost hallucinating about the past, and then, Lally comes out of the blue and pulls him right back into it again, enticing him with possibilly getting back together with this one over here.

His number one motive is to get Queenie back. He's almost given up on it and thrown in the tower when he's invited back into it again, and he's given a wand, so it's almost like, oh, alright, now he's a soldier, he's got a weapon, he's got a team that he's part of. He might have a chance about getting back, at least to see her again. So yeah, that's all about getting back to Queenie.

- ChicagoScifi

Dan Fogler: When you saw him at the end of the second film, his heart's broken, he's looking off the horizon, he's wondering if she's gonna come back, and that feeling carries over to the third film. He just misses her so much. So you see him pursuing her. So there's a lovely scene in the trailer where we are wearing the tuxedo and everyone's got the gowns, which is really cool. You get to see him be a hero in pursuit of his love, which is great. He's such a wonderful character. I get to be a comedian and I get to be this guy who is like a soldier. It's really cool.

- Up!

Dan Fogler: In Jacob's life, Queenie is very important, and he's just like totally in love with her, smitten, can't stop thinking about her, and that is just the microcosm, and the macrocosm, the wizarding world, she's very special to everybody, and she's coming into her own, she's learning how powerful she is, but at the center of it is this love story of trying to get Queenie back, and how you get Queenie back, you'll have Jacob there to pull the heartstrings.

- ChicagoScifi

Alison Sudol: I don’t know that a love like theirs can ever just go away, but there’s a chasm between them at the moment. On both sides, choices have been made that have pulled them apart. Not at their foundation, not because they don’t love each other, but because of the restrictions and the different ways they reacted to them, and fear, which drove them both but in opposite directions. So it doesn’t necessarily matter how they feel, because that’s not what it comes down to really. She’s made her choice, so making a different choice isn’t really an option…or is it?

- Bearpost

Queenie and Jacob have separated, "but there's still a spark there," says Alison. When they see each other at the German Ministry of Magic for the first time after she joined Grindelwald, it reignites something in her. "She realizes that he loves her and she still loves him, and a world without love is not a world that she wants to live in. This helps her got her mojo back," Alison says with a laugh. 

- Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore: Movie Magic

Alison Sudol: When Queenie sees Jacob, she can't acknowledge him in order to protect them both. She's mad at him, but the beautiful thing about her gift is that he doesn't have to say anything. She can hear him, and what he says reminds her that it's not worth surviving if you're not living with love.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore: Movie Magic

Alison Sudol: Well, she had a hard time. There's a thing that they are both up against as two people that love each other. There's this huge amount of prejudice that keeps them apart, and I think that there's sort of Hollywood love, which is everything that leads up to this beginning of an actual relationship, like it's all the falling in love part, which we see in the beginning. But real love is about the continued action towards each other even when things are very difficult, even when it seems like it might not make it through. But the test of true love is if you can make mistakes and then still find each other again.

- ABS-CBN News

Dan Fogler: If Queenie and Jacob actually get back together, if that works out, there’s a huge potential for changing history in the Wizarding and Muggle worlds. It’s a big-theme, an epic journey for Jacob, and I love how everyone is rooting for them to get back together. It’s sweet. It’s lovely.

- Fatherly

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"The wizarding world, including her sister, let her down, limiting her ability to be who she was and to love who she loved, and she made the mistake of believing Grindelwald could offer a better alternative. He used her vulnerability to his advantage, telling her what she wanted to hear, meanwhile separating her from everyone and everything she loved. He understands people's base desires and he plays into them. That's why he's so dangerous. It's something that happens in the real world all the time, a trap that so many young people fall into. We are not taught how to converse with our desires, we're taught to suppress them to fit in. It takes the considerable power of owning our feelings away from us and leaves it up for grabs, makes us a target for manipulation. At the beginning of this film, we find Queenie in a state of real conflict, having lost her connection to herself and the people she loves. That joyous inner light of hers is not extinguished, but it's close, as the reality of who she's dealing with has become increasingly clear. She is trapped in a world she doesn't belong in, where any wrong move could be the end. It explores the aftermath of a mistake, the choices you are faced with after you've veered off your path. How do you go forward if you can't go back?" 

－Alison Sudol in Secrets of Dumbledore production notes posted by Snitchseeker

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David Yates: Bhutan is almost magical in its own right. It's a real place. It feels otherwordly, and actually we went to Bhutan as a location and as an idea, because originally the film was actually conceived to take place in Brazil of all places, and Jo was desperate to go to Brazil in the story. We wanted to go to Brazil, but then the pandemic arrived and it moved our schedule. So it meant we were starting to shoot in July and we were finishing the shoot really in the winter. So in the way we could only build things here at Leavesden to do a version of Brazil in Watford in November just would not work. You'd have people in these wonderful summer clothes and they'd be walking down the street and it would be raining. So we go, "Oh God, we can't do it in Brazil now. So Let's think of somewhere else, and maybe we can go to Brazil next time." So we reconceived for Bhutan, which does look good in a terrible British winter.

The movie is called the Secrets of Dumbledore, so we all feel we know everything there is to know about Dumbledore, but there are certain parts of his story that Jo has kept very carefully hidden. There are certain aspects to the story that are really about dealing with a couple of key parts of his life. One of them is losing someone who he loved very much. Actually he loses two people in the story really, and we discover one of them is Grindelwald. He was in love with Grindelwald, and they had a passionate, unbelievably committed relationship with each other, but they had a difference of philosophy and ideology, and they grew apart, but you feel in this story that that love is still burning somehow, and so one of the things I love about the story is it's about how Dumbledore has to deal with that loss, losing someone he loves, but he knows is not good for him or is not good for the world, and we've all been through a breakup, we've all fallen out with someone we love dearly, and so for me, that part of the story was about that, even though it's two wizards fighting. For me, I connected with it because it could be any of us, and Dumbledore's also dealing with a loss from his earlier years with one of his family members. So there's still secrets.

What I love about Jo's stories is they're often about outsiders, the kid under the cupboard who's been abandoned or Newt Scamander who's a little on the spectrum. We had an amazing time in the first film. When we were making Fantastic Beasts, the first one, the studio were nervous about Newt Scamander, because they say he never looks at anyone in the eyes. He always is very shy and he talks to animals. How on earth will the audience be able to fall in love with a character like that? He's not a proper hero, and we tested the film. I said, "No, no, no, it'll be fine. Believe me, Newt Scamander, we can't really make him a hero in the traditional sense. He has to be a hero in the non-traditional sense." And what I realised when we showed it for the first time to an audience when we tested the film, many people related to that version of a human being, because we're all imperfect in one form or another. None of us are heroes. We want to be and we try to be, and on some days, we are, but most days, we are trying to be the best version of who we are, and so we're all a work in progress, and so I think the wonderful thing about a character like Newt Scamander is, he's all of us. So he is a hero.

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Jessica Williams: Lally's wand, the handle is modeled after a west African mermaid because Lally is a descendant from African mermaids, like distant, distant, distant. That's why she has this long hair and it's made of this sort of Nigerian wood that fell off of a tree, and the core is this long mermaid hair that's really coily, like 4c long strand. That is the mermaid core, and what's interesting about Lally, that's really specific to me as a person that has 4c hair. I mean obviously I have pink hair right now, but with 4c hair, having that custom-made to me and my story, I mean it's like the best feeling there is, and what's great about the wand is nobody else can hold Eulalie's wand actually. Eulalie's magic with her wand is really strong because it's just for her, and if anybody else, funny fact, tries to grab the wand, it actually shocks them. They can't hold it. It burns their hands. That's not in this film, but it is something that again call backs to what you were saying where that's like very specific. I am somebody that has an attitude. I don't want people to touch my shit, I don't want people to touch my hair. That to me is really amazing.

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What's the emotion of walking into a scene [wedding] like that? Because obviously you're excited to shoot it, but does it wrap you up in it when you're in there?

Alison Sudol: It does. I mean what was hilarious is that they were filming outside of the room and they were also kind of filming us in the room, and they didn't tell us anything. They were just like, "Just improvise." The scene, most of it, the improv was so bad. It was like nobody knew what to say. We were all laughing and just doing stupid stuff, but even that was really special. It was just really nice to kind of be together and be fun, and it did feel really emotional as well, like something that we'd all wanted to happen for a long time.

I was wondering how did you feel when Queenie went into the dark side?

Alison Sudol: Well, it was tough, because when you have a film that's as big as this, there's so much story that you need to get through, and so I knew why she was doing it, but it was difficult to know if that was going to be understood and if people were going to think that they didn't know her by her doing that, because it seemed like it was out of character, but if you think about what had been happening around that time, where all she wanted to do was marry Jacob, right? She's an incredibly advanced witch, but she didn't want to be that, which is like she has some work to do on that run because you have to embrace with your whole self, but she wasn't embracing herself. She was manipulated by somebody after having been rejected by her sister, who was like, "Where's Tina?" Jacob wasn't great, didn't handle that well and neither did Newt. So the people that she loved the most were not there for her when she's clearly vulnerable and clearly struggling. So she actually made a really radical decision, but it did kind of made sense. It was part of her journey and it soon showed that that was maybe not what she should have done, but everything is heightened and confusing. Yeah, we all make mistakes.

I just wanted to say I really love Queenie, because she's warm on the outside, and I was wondering how much of that you put into her.

Alison Sudol: When Queenie was written originally before I was cast, I think that there was more focus on her being a bombshell rather than her being an empath, but the way that the casting director described her to me, her kindness and her empathy and her warmth were her defining characteristics, not the way that she looked. I clearly, by the way, bombshell not my forward foot neither. It took a lot to put the studio to see that I could actually do that. It took a lot of wigs, nails, makeup, eyelashes, corsets, loads of things, but I always put myself in the position of somebody that could understand and read fully every person she sees, and just the amount of compassion that she has and the amount of vulnerability as well, because she can hear everything that's reflected, like everybody that sees her is thinking about what they see of her, and that's quite hard. That would make anybody want to sort of disappear from life a little bit, but she still just like got such a beautiful spirit, and that's what I wanted to focus on. So kind of like all of that stuff, all of the trappings were really secondary, and the most important thing was just the way that she looks at people, the way she sees people, the way that she reacts to Jacob's heart. Those are the things that I wanted to focus on.

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