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yaoioioay · 1 year
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supersoftly · 5 months
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soul-dwelling · 7 months
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Do you think fans who don’t like the fire force retcon should just remove it from their personal interpretation of Soul eater? It’s what I choose to do
Yes, I think fans can just ignore it.
I don't mean, "That never happened and I am ignoring the final chapter of Fire Force," because, no, you can't ignore what is printed on the page (and likely will be adapted into the anime) and just interpret it differently. That is not what interpretation is: you have to actually look at the page and see what is there, not pretend it didn't happen.
Rather, I mean that there are enough of us who have our own headcanon, our own AUs, our own stories, and it is fine to prefer that story to what ended up printed. And this wouldn't be the first time (people who ignore the last episode of the first Soul Eater anime, people who ignore NOT, people who ignore Crona stuck on the Moon in the last chapter and the stupid fanservice madness).
Honestly, this almost shows a generational split. If you started with Soul Eater back when it was being published, it's probably easier to ignore Fire Force because you were invested in the story as it was happening, along with the theories and fanfics coming out at the same time. Back then, there was not much information about the world before Maka and company, so fanfics could fill in the gaps and do worldbuilding. And whether because those fanworks were just that good and even better than the manga, or because it was by fans so some of us get more defensive protecting them as better when really we're just nostalgic for them, it is probably easier for those first generation fans to ignore Fire Force.
But I wonder what it is like for people now just getting into Soul Eater after they finished Fire Force, or started Soul Eater when Fire Force first started, or are going to pick up Soul Eater after the Fire Force anime eventually does the prequel reveal. Do they, or will they, hate the prequel setup and ignore it, or are they better adjusted than I am and can say, "Oh, okay, now I know what the world was like before Soul Eater, this fits," because they don't have any headcanon or fanworks to compare it to?
(Personally, since I was reading Fire Force as it was being published and didn't read into anything as foreshadowing or prequel setup, I just treated the two as separate works / separate universes, or just imagined fanworks where there are crossovers. That all is kind of lost [outside of corporate artwork and mobile game events] when Shinra and company are likely all dead by the time Maka is having her own adventures--and I don't need time travel as a plot device to make this more confusing.)
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freyasbi-ceps · 14 days
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If i had a nickel for every climatic fight Atsushi Ohkubo put on that fucking moon i’d have two nickels which ain’t much but IT FUCKING SLAPS EVERY TIME
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osamew · 2 years
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HE'S SOOOOOOOO CUUUUUTE!
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dejwrites · 1 year
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when this get animated, imma lowkey orgasm.
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enby-mori · 6 months
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Gravity can warp space and interfere with the motion of time!
By manipulating the gravity around us both, I interrupted the flow of time...!
- Fire Force Volume 31, Atsushi Ohkubo
Add this to the pile of theories of how Chuuya got to the elevator without Fyodor noticing.
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ricemommy · 11 months
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unghh... i love this himbo twinky goofy ass
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fire-dwelling · 1 year
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It's still going to be some time before I get a better sense when exactly Ohkubo decided to do the twist he did with Fire Force. But an interview from MyAnimeList helps.
(So, spoilers for Fire Force below.)
Maybe it's not as helpful to ask "When did Ohkubo decide to make this a Soul Eater prequel?" I have banged my head against the wall, because it just doesn't work: there is enough stuff in Soul Eater that is contradicted by Fire Force, and there is enough stuff in Fire Force that is literally just Easter eggs but by their existence screw up the supposed timeline (Spirit showing up in that awful Assault chapter, the Excalibur plushies in the anime).
So, the more helpful question to ask is, "Did Ohkubo intend on including hints throughout Fire Force so that, once he felt comfortable, he could either confirm this is a prequel or just ignore those hints?" And I think that is the more likely scenario: the stuff was there so that he could make this a prequel if he wanted, but if he didn't, then they are just Easter eggs. I can be wrong on this, this is just a guess based on the interview by Naruleach for MyAnimeList.
Quoting from the interview:
Naruleach: "In the manga, your editor's favorite character, Arthur, wields a sword named Excalibur, just like King Arthur did according to legend. And this, of course, is not the first time an Excalibur appeared in your work. Between the Excalibur in Enen no Shouboutai and the Excalibur in Soul Eater, which do you think is more powerful?"
Ohkubo: "Well, it's a personal story. The Excalibur in Soul Eater, it talks and talks so much—it's terribly annoying. Even though it's a sword with great power, no one uses it because it's too annoying. There is no sword here, but the original intent of Excalibur was a character no one found useful, and Arthur in this story also became a foolish character that people only find lightly useful. I think they are strongest when paired."
That line--"they are the strongest when paired together": maybe I'm misreading, but couldn't you take it as "Excalibur in Soul Eater and Arthur in Fire Force are strongest when paired together"? And how else could they pair up unless it was in the same continuity? That seems like a strong indication that he had a sense of how he was going to wrap up Fire Force with the prequel nonsense by the time of this interview, which was posted in September 2019.
Timeline:
September 2015: Fire Force manga begins serialization.
January 2018: Fire Force Chapter 111, having already introduced Inca, starts the exploration of the Chinese peninsula, which pretty much sets up everything that leads to the finale and that stupid twist (the flexibility of physics, the past world, the first witch).
November 2018: Fire Force anime announced.
July 2019: Fire Force anime premieres.
September 2019: Ohkubo makes that comment about Arthur and Excalibur.
February 2022: Fire Force manga ends.
So, if I had to take a guess, he may have committed to the prequel nonsense about two years into the series, having already set up the option to pursue it earlier with just the Easter eggs before saying, screw it. As much as I hate this prequel nonsense, it seems more likely it wasn't an ass-pull--it was just a poorly executed attempt at an idea he may have had since the beginning but didn't commit to until some time between January 2018 and September 2019.
And January 2018 would have been enough time for whatever talks his publisher was having with David Pro about an anime, which may have forced him to commit to an ending (the prequel nonsense) so that he knew what to say to David Pro so they go into the first seasons with enough knowledge for how to set up stuff for the finale. (That still doesn't explain the Soul Eater Easter eggs that pop up in the Fire Force anime that screw up this prequel nonsense--the Excalibur plushie, the Excalibur face, Toru Okawa reprising the role as Spirit because that is literally Spirit in Fire Force talking about Maka when he is not alive at that point and shouldn't be talking about Maka who isn't even born yet.)
Maybe I'm wrong on all of this, so, feedback is appreciated.
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bloodyangelike · 1 year
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has it really been a whole ass year since the fire force manga ended?? and I just heard about it?? bro what the actual fuck...
new anime season when...? 👀
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stalkerkyoko · 1 year
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souldwelling’s >.>>>> tells me it’s going get weirder on volume 30 now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq5sZPPF9ao
It's Gonna Get Weird Animatic
also they white clad is cult so are all religions
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yaoioioay · 1 year
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baka-monarch · 1 year
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Me: ah hell yeah now I can watch Fire Force
Me, later: hehe silly guys with fire go brrrrr
Me, even later: CANONICAL GAY!?
Me, more and more later: WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN THEY CAN CONTROL THE MULTIVERSE WITH FIRE!?!?!?
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soul-dwelling · 1 year
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Regarding the last post, and not that anyone asked me, but, hey, I've been on this blog long enough that I'd feel awkward if I didn't say something about the recent news:
This is also why this weekend's obnoxious "OMG we are so going to get a reboot!!1" conjectures piss me off.
Beyond how much Fire Force has flat-out ruined a lot of Soul Eater for me--
(But that's on me: I can debate whether Fire Force in fact ruined Soul Eater, but for me, yeah, Fire Force ruined a lot about what I enjoyed about Soul Eater, albeit not really ruined the initial experience reading and watching it, and certainly not the fandom experience I had years ago.)
--beyond how it ruined Soul Eater, I just see this monkey's paw problem coming. And I have ranted so much about this monkey's paw problem that I really hate getting into it again, because I have nothing new to say that I haven't said already on this same blog repeatedly. Y'all wanted a reboot or a continuation so badly? Well, enjoy seeing the worst parts of the manga finally getting animated (which, again, looks worse after Fire Force, given that now nothing stands in the way of Ohkubo being horny-in-animation because no editor and no animation studio stopped him with Fire Force). And enjoy the lackluster tie-in to Fire Force, a manga that single-handedly took so much of the creativity of Soul Eater and flushed it down the toilet to be a shoddy prequel that erases so many more fascinating ways you could have set up the Soul Eater world but didn't.
"It was our world all along!" Oh, fuck off.
Like, I have wanted to not post this, and I make sure not to tag this stuff in the #SoulEater tag on social media, because who wants someone raining on their parade. But I just can't stand this fixation on getting that reboot, because Fire Force just soured me on this entire experience.
I don't want this to sound like nostalgia rose-tinted goggles: "Ugh, you like Fire Force? I'm a person of culture, I enjoy classic works--like 2003's Soul Eater." That'd be pretty obnoxious, and I hope I'd be a little better than that. I can admit what didn't work in Soul Eater.
The original anime had its own flaws. For example, the Arachnophobia vs DWMA arc divides its attention so much between Maka, Kid, and Black Star so that, while Black Star's narrative feels like it makes real progress, it is diluted by how all of these stories are spread out. And Soul in the anime acts unnecessarily dickish towards Maka, whereas in the corresponding manga chapters he was supporting Maka without being intrusive. And of course Maka suddenly manifesting weapon powers and winning with the punch of courage, even if this many years later we can debate the merits to these choices, were divisive then and still remain controversial because of how abrupt it all feels.
And it's not as if Fire Force created flaws that weren't already there in the original Soul Eater and NOT mangas, in particular how the plots for both series sometimes feel they are just spinning their wheels without progressing characterization or plot, especially around the Sky Whale chapter and pretty much all of NOT.
But it is hard for me to get as excited as other people are over just two pieces of recent news that they are so desperate to read as proof a reboot is coming when, no, even if this is testing the waters for a reboot, the first goal is to just make more money off of our nostalgia for Soul Eater.
Yes, BONES coming out with 15th anniversary merchandise surprised me--but that is primarily just to generate new art they can put cheaply onto cheap raw materials (shirts and maybe tote bags and keychains?) and secondarily to test the waters for a reboot.
Yes, I am really surprised the companies involved negotiated to put Soul Eater stuff into a dull-looking Fire Force mobile game (...that was mean, but, jeez, I thought Fire Force looked uniform and boring already, making it a mobile game looks even worse--at least BONES and other companies made more varied artwork for the Bungo Stray Dogs game, and that is a simple drag-and-aim marble shooter, much less complicated gameplay than the Fire Force game). Sure, maybe that is testing the waters for a reboot, or winking at the audience to anticipate what they already know is coming at the end of the Fire Force anime. But this seems like crass "let's tap into people's Soul Eater nostalgia to get more downloads for our game."
And that's what really pisses me off about all of this. Don't get me wrong, this news has gotten a lot of attention on the shitty bird app, and I expect the shitty bird app has a bigger imprint online than Tumblr does. But I can go through Tumblr every day and see people adding more and more Soul Eater content. I see a fandom that, even if the frequency of posts is less, is still thriving. I don't see that with Fire Force.
I see this news--"OMG, new merch and a collaboration for the mobile game!"--as these flashes-in-the-pan that spur a ton of reactions to trend on the shitty bird app--then, crickets, things die down, no one talks about it for months. It's not a consistent engagement. Maybe that works from an economic standpoint: you sell a lot of merch all at once, then things die off, whereas fandom work is ongoing but also not making the creators any more money. But it is also why I find Soul Eater more endearing: at least people keep making stuff based on it, I rarely come across Fire Force stuff (and it's not like I don't look for it: I may despise how that series ended, but I still want to see how fan creators mostly improve upon what is wrong with that series).
So, TL, DR: I don't dispute that these two pieces of news are to test the waters to see whether an audience would be into a reboot. I find it surprising to get these both at the same time. I'm not disputing whether this can or can't lead to a reboot being announced. But Jesus Christ, calm down, this is just content to get you to buy more stuff, and it's content to prop up a lackluster Fire Force, and it just reinforces how much I hate how it seems like Fire Force depended so much on Soul Eater for nostalgia factor instead of standing on its own as a story.
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mayoiayasep · 2 years
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sometimes i forget fire force even ended ngl
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osamew · 2 years
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*giggling* oh captain you're so strong!
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