#france hijab ban

[nadandkfa]

Feel sympathy for the recent cases of women being forced to wear and remove the hijab. People are actually being oppressed right now, especially Iranian women. It's pathetic. However, it needs to be understood from two opposite perspectives.

First of all, I have great respect for the Iranian girls and women who are fighting for their freedom in a world of patriarchy and misogyny. I'm also saddened and outraged by the Iranian government and what has happened to Mahsa Amini. And then how about the action of removing the hijab and burning hijabs in anti-hijab protests? Am I fine with that? I'm honestly not okay with that. I absolutely disagree that the hijab should be treated like that. However, we have to look at the background of why Iranian women do such things as well, it's because the Iranian government forced Iranian women to wear hijab, and we all know compulsion is forbidden in Islam. The Iranian government battered women who don't wear the hijab and has killed them. We all have no right to force a woman to wear a hijab.

In another case, ironically, the hijab seems to be a symbol of oppression for many people in the western world. I'm so sick of hearing people who state that the hijab is a form of oppression from religion, whereas they always voice "women have the freedom to dress over their bodies", which sounds paradoxical to what their first statement is. Freedom doesn't always mean not wearing a hijab or anything. They don't even see Muslim women who choose to wear hijab on the awareness of the obligation of hijab in religion. And I'm one of those women. Muslim women who choose to wear their hijab are also the symbol of freedom, yeah their freedom of choice. And also those who choose not to wear hijab have the right to do so, but that doesn't mean it's an option when it comes to the hijab law itself. I would say the hijab is mandatory, not an option. I believe, wearing the hijab doesn't make us oppressed. It would be oppressive if the case is that we're being forced to wear the hijab or to take it off. We can see examples of these two cases in Iran and France, women in Iran are fighting to not wear the hijab, while women in France are fighting to wear the hijab.

The French senate has voted for the hijab banning for girls under the age of 18 in public places, banning women with hijab in sports, and banning burkinis in public swimming pools. It's atrocious, banning women from wearing the hijab is just as sexist as forcing them to. I'm sure we can all agree with the phrase "When in Rome, do as the Romans do", but I don't see that as a law, it is simply a form of islamophobia and discrimination under the guise of "liberation". It's almost as if in France, i think, Islam is not recognized as a religion, but more like a norm in a supposedly secular non-religious state.

On the other hand, women who choose not to wear the hijab are also none of our business, except they're our close friends. I don't even want to just advise my close friends because not everyone can accept criticism from those around them. So, all we have to do is pray for them in our prayers. Remember, no one has the right to force the hijab on women, even in the case of women who have decided to undo their hijab practice. We are no one to put our noses in their business. I won't justify the women who have taken off their hijabs, though. However, it's still their decision, because it seems to me that we all have our own worries to be concerned about at the end of the day.

So, back on the topic of Iran. Iran has made the hijab mandatory, following the 1979 Islamic Revolution. And women who don't follow hijab laws in Iran will end up like Mahsa Amini. It's awfully wrong. Wearing the hijab should be for Allah, not for the police, not even for men. And for someone who has forced women to wear the hijab, it's harrowing, they are the reason people see Islam as a terrorist religion. The whole point is that it has to be a woman's choice, and the solution isn't to outright ban the hijab as France is trying to do.

I hope everyone knows that it's all about fighting against a patriarchal and misogynistic state, not a religion, because if we're blaming religion, it would be like blaming a car for an accident when it was caused by a careless driver. It's not religion that's the source of the problem, it's someone else trying to control how religion is expressed. Religion isn't the problem, because if we know about how Islam makes women special and protects their rights, then there would be no reason for us to state that Islam is a patriarchal world. The problem is people who forced the hijab on women. And women shouldn't be persecuted or killed either for wearing the hijab or not.

May Allah protect our sisters 🤲🏻

#mahsaamini #iranianwomen #francehijabban #freedomofchoice #humanrights

#mahsa amini #iranian women #france hijab ban #freedom of choice #human rights

[ohnoimonfire]

i was actually scared to post this, so if you have anything hateful to say, please do not interact with this post. thank you!

let's talk about mahsa amini.

so i'm sure you've all heard the name recently: she's been in the news a lot, because she was an iranian woman who died.

let's ask google how she died, shall we?

hm.

i'm going to have to disagree with you there, state authorities of iran.

mahsa amini was 22 years old. on the 13th of september, she travelled to tehran to visit her family with her brother, kiaresh amini. she was at the entrance of the hiqqani highway when she was arrested.

but why was she arrested? was she speeding on hiqqani highway or something?

oh no, of course not! it was because she was wearing her hijab "inappropriately".

she was told she'd be taken to a detention centre for a "briefing class" and released shortly afterwards, except she never made it. instead she was at kasra hospital - where she died on friday, febuary 16th.

she was in a coma for three days.

in an instagram post which has now been deleted, the hospital admitted she was brain dead on arrival.

"Resuscitation was performed on the patient, the heartbeat returned and the patient was admitted to the intensive care unit," they originally wrote, reports The Guardian. "Unfortunately, after 48 hours on Friday, the patient suffered a cardiac arrest again, due to brain death. Despite the efforts of the medical team, they failed to revive her and the patient died." - Harper's Bazaar

the "guidance patrol" who was supposed to be taking her to a detention centre, beat her.

the iranian police commander, hossein rahimi, claims that amini's death was simply an "unfortunate accident."

here's what amini's dad had to say.

“They said Mahsa had heart disease and epilepsy but as the father who raised her for 22 years, I say loudly that Mahsa did not have any illness. She was in perfect health. The person who hit my daughter should be put on trial in a public court, not a fake trial that results in reprimands and expulsions."

and all of this, such a brutal death covered up with attempted lies because of what?

a hijab.

iran has made the hijab mandatory since 1976.

and clearly, women who don't follow end up like amini.

i am a hijabi teenager, living far, far away of iran, and i think that's disgustingly wrong.

i wear a hijab for my lord. it was my decision.

wearing a hijab is for Allah. it's not for men. it's not for police.

and you, as a man, have no right to tell a woman how to wear her hijab.

you think Allah is pleased with you? for forcing these women to wear hijab? for killing them if you don't?

personally, i highly doubt it.

to any man who has forced a woman to wear a hijab, punishing her for not wearing it correctly, you are disgusting. you terrify me and disgust me and you are the reason people see islam as a terrorist religion.

and to think that in france, women are fighting to wear the hijab.

for god's sake, just let women wear what they want.

please.

#iran #mahsa amini #mahsa #amini #iran hijab laws #iran protests #hijab #hijab protest in iran #hijab protest #islam #musim #hijabi #protest #womens rights #muslim rights #france #hijab ban

[yharnamsnewslug]

There’s a lot of people bringing valid criticism to Sweden and all the countries in Europe who have participated in colonialism. People are bringing into question a lot of cultural practices that are and have been harmful to minorities, ESPECIALLY black people and Muslims. But there’s also an issue that I want to bring up that I’ve seen well-meaning Americans do in this process:

When critiquing a country that you are not in, that you’ve never even been to, or even that you’ve been for… a year old less, there are nuances that you can miss. One thing that comes to mind is Americans making fun of the Stereotypical Bri’ish Accent, where they just did a Fucking Classism and lower class people from the UK, Welsh, Irish and the Scots got appropriately and rightfully fucking pissed. Americans did not understand why everyone was attacking them so viciously whenever they would do a hahah about their accent. How dare you bring up such a delicate topic such as school shootings when the whole internet is suddenly making fun of your accent the way people have done your entire life?! How dare you get so upset when we prod and poke at something that you actively have to change in order to get jobs and be respected by the high class?!

There was a case in Twitter where an angry Native American woman was critiquing Spain (rightfully so!) …..but she did it without knowing jack shit about Spain’s history. So as she was talking about colonisation, she was calling Spain that: SPAIN. None of you would know this, unless Spanish or knowing Spanish history, but Spain did not exist at the time of colonisation, it was CASTILLA. It was a Kingdom. And a very prominent fascist point is that it was Spain, it was a whole ass united country, because it plays into the rethoric that “Spain has been a country, wholly unified and homogenous, since its conception”. It undermines the mix of cultures that Spain actually is; it undermines that we are MADE with ARAB BLOOD, we have it deep in our country’s veins, our language and our food and our buildings and our way of life!

This native woman did not know. And so fascist Spanish twitter had a blast by picking on her, having fascists pile up on her so she’d keep being wrong and not see the well-meaning leftists saying “hey, YES, critique us, but please don’t say Spain has existed for this amount of time, because that’s wrong! Our country is not just white people, that’s also a fascist talking point!” Romani people from the south were especially pissed at this shit. This was huge in Spanish twitter, and a fascist politician from VOX even mentioned it and said, “The rest of the world knows we are an homogenous, unified country, and we must keep that reputation! That way is how we come back to the Golden Days of Spain!”

With this, I’m saying; critique Europe, PLEASE. Critique us, rip colonialism and the descendants of its privilege apart, but PLEASE, do not say shit like “socialism in Scandinavia can only work because of racism”, because that is a lie. Socialism can work ALONG people of color and immigrants, because people of color and immigrants fight tirelessly within these countries so that our systems work well, and keep being as good as they are. Rich, white politicians want to take it all away, want to keep colonialism as The Golden Days of Our Country, they WANT YOU ALL to think that Scandinavia has no people of color, no Muslims, no Chinese People.

My country, Spain, is a wonderfully diverse and culturally rich place that has had people of color since it became a country. It is a country that did not handle colonialism even well, and our hubris was what made it as ruinous as it is now. South and Central America deserve to critique and rip up apart, because WE PILLAGED AND RAPED AND DESTROYED and it is why the USA can do whatever it wants with a lot of these countries right now. Like many activists in my country say, “we came in thinking we were a big shot and all we did was ruin lives, including ours.” It’s the funniest thing, wish we had just ruined our country without colonisation first lmao.

Anyway, don’t make fun of accents. Don’t make fun of food, of how people dress, of how they talk and how they live. Don’t claim that Europe has no black people, no people of color. Listen to European activists of color when critiquing a country you do not know the history of. There’s no Wrong Accent, no Wrong Dialect, no Wrong Language, and to make fun of any is being a fucking classist most of the time. I just hope you all know, because THIS. IS. IMPORTANT.

I’m doing this is good faith, and I hope Americans who read this, do so in good faith, too. There’s so many people doing good work in Europe, trying to help immigrants and trans people and refugees, but do remember that this is an uphill battle for us as well. You’ve more in common with a lower class Andalucian Spaniard who had to change his accent because otherwise nobody would hire him or even give him a passing grade in Madrid than the upper class kid in Salamanca street who thinks Spain just has too many immigrants now, you know?

There’s nuance. There’s work to be done. So stop fucking saying fascists talking points, you idiots.

#swede gate #Nico.txt #Europeans can add stuff about their countries btw #I’d love to hear about France’s activism regarding the hijab ban #or how swedes work with immigrants #how Polish lgbt people and people of color are fighting the current policies #like #I want. to hear??? #I want to know

[riarevenge]

it’s so frustrating seeing some people completely miss the mark with their posts about iran. this is not an issue with hijab, it’s an issue with forced hijab. your weird takes on anyone that chooses to wear hijab is rooted in islamophobia, and this is maybe the WORST time to be spouting some fake and vile shite on the dash. iran doesn’t have internet access as it’s been cut to silence the people, people are getting killed in the streets and you’re writing a think piece rooted in hate?

#the issue isn’t with hijab it’s with forced hijab or for example france banning hijab #the issue is when you strip a woman’s right to CHOOSE. #one of the most empowering things about hijab imo is it’s YOUR choice (or should be) to start wearing it and that’s what makes it so #empowering for so many women #iran #mahsa amini #iran protests

[pyaasa]

Like it’s getting to the point where I feel like I am coming across as an England defender when I really don’t want to be I hate this stupid country and want it to burn to the ground but when I see people say “England is the most evil country ever the whole world would be a better place if it was bombed off the earth in the 1500s” while running stan blogs for the EU and Scotland I’m like hold on a minute there

#hijab bans in france and niqab bans throughout Europe #fascists elected in Italy and Hungary and Sweden #but all I ever see on here is ‘omg I love the EU 😍😍🥰’

[getting-messi]

Racism exists in every country…..

#I can’t believe I have to say this out loud but here we are #there are RAGING racists in every single nation - I promise you that #people out here finding a racist in a country and saying ‘this is why I don’t like______ country’ #and it’s like? honey name a country and I’ll find 10 racists on the internet from the capital of that country in 3 minutes #no country is better than another - there are TERRIBLE PEOPLE EVERYWHERE #like talking about France as if it’s progressive when hijabs are practically banned in any public area😵‍💫 #as if French people ain’t racist as hell to their own citizens….give me a break please #one tweet and you thought you ate that? #England players get just as much racists abuse from their own fans when they draw #like let’s find something new to talk about

[coconutshygame]

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#I find it quite sad that I have to search every place I travel to if it's safe for a muslim women. #I have to check if they ban hijab on beaches (you'd be surprised how many countries/beaches do.) #If I can find decent halal food. If I can find a safe place to pray. #And what's sadder is that no one talks about it. #No one gives a single flying fuck😏 #people fight so people can wear what they want and do what they want in public #unless it's a Muslim woman #and I will forever hate America for it #and France and Britain and probably Arab countries #just the world really

[keyki421]

I'm on the fence when it comes to this Hijab ban in France.

I do believe women should be able to wear whatever they want. My issue is, that if I go to the middle east, I can't do that. I can't wear whatever I want in Saudi Arabia, Qatar or the UAE. These countries have set laws and they demand everyone to follow them, whether you are a citizen or foreigner/ Muslim or non Muslim.

So why doesn't France have the ability to do that?

I asked this question on another social media platform. People were too busy calling me Islam phobic and I never actually got an answer. Some of y'all are too busy calling each other names, then having a real discussion on things.

#islam #france #hijab ban

[runawaycarouselhorse]

[CW one count of vulgar language] "Conformity with expectations is monetized--it's rewarded--so when you send the message to women and to girls that wealth can be rapidly expedited for them if they take off their clothes on stage or on camera, rather than develop their minds, rather than develop their skills, their character, and so on... When you tell women and girls they're going to have to go to university for years, you're going to have to be in the workforce for years, before society will moneterily reward you anywhere close to what it will reward you right now, today, if you would just objectify yourself and get naked in front of strangers. The message is crystal clear. We want you to be what we think you are. A sexual object. And if you go along with that, you will be generously rewarded. We don't think you have dignity. We don't think you have honour. We don't think you're decent! We think you're agents of the Devil and instruments of sin. You caused the fall of man. That's deeply embedded in the cultural thinking of the west. And clothes, being covered, covering your nakedness, is only for the dignified! That's why they strip you in interrogations. To break you down, to humiliate you, to demean you, to create an imbalance of power between you and the interrogators. I know what I'm talking about, 'cause they did it to me! They do it to make you vulnerable and that's what the western society does to women. Forget about s----shaming, they practice modesty-shaming, dignity-shaming, because who are you to think that every man in the public sphere isn't supposed to see your body? What makes you so special? What makes you think you have the right to deny any man's eyes access to your body? Your bodies are supposed to be public! Your bodies are supposed to be decorations! That's the culture. And they don't want dignified women in the public sphere. They don't want virtuous women in the public sphere. They don't want modesty. So now France has banned women from wearing 'abayahs in schools. Women can't wear clothes in schools that deny male teachers and fellow students access to enjoy their figures, enjoy their bodies, and of course, this is just a crooked way of banning Muslim women from education. Just like the public ban on the niqab. France wants Muslim women to stay in their homes and they don't want them to go to school. You say that's what we force on women, but because we don't actually enforce that on women, you're trying to enforce that on women, now you're trying to enforce it yourselves. France is enforcing it themselves. You don't want Muslim women in public. You don't want Muslim women to get an education. It's not us, it's you. You're the one who's trying to prevent them. They don't want you to go to school unless you abandon modesty, unless you're compromising your values. In other words, they're not allowed to be in public, not allowed to go to school, unless they go along with your objectification and misogyny."

---End of transcript.--

I literally never once thought about it like that (that it's a method of keeping Muslim women uneducated and out of the public sphere--I realize it should've been obvious, but it wasn't to me, because I didn't consider the future ramifications of that, only the present moment) and the way he tied it to how strippers make as much money as lawyers and the intentional degredation and inferiority being stripped down and objectified can cause and how that would send a message to girls and women that they'll be instantly rewarded for objectifying themselves compared to the years it would take to get a degree, so why bother?

Man... that's horrifying, what kind of future are they setting those girls up for, especially the ones who have no choice but to work (poor women have always worked, a whole family relying on a single breadwinner husband/father is a feature of more privileged families, and vanishingly rare)...

#niqab ban #Islamophobia #hijab ban #objectification #misogyny #I do not know the source unfortunately I saw it in a translated to Arabic clip but his name was Arabized as بولسين #Polsine??? #France #Islam

[jabbli-views-english]

A Muslim girl was prevented to join school for wearing kimono, a ridiculous act of French school authorities.

In a recent incident in Lyon, France, a 15-year-old Muslim student faced exclusion from her class due to wearing an open kimono on September 5. This incident occurred just days after France implemented a contentious ban on abayas. The student was publicly reprimanded and instructed to remove her kimono to attend class. She refused, asserting that her attire was not an abaya and did not symbolize…

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#Abaya #France #Hijab ban #News

[sparklinpixiedust]

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#lack #I think its interesting how the west acts all high and mighty and constantly criticises other countries for of womens rights. #like you guys are aware that patriarchy is prevalent in the west too right? #men still aren't properly punished for rape #women still are blamed for SA #there was literally an article that showed domestic violnce increases during the euro series or somethingbcuz men hate when thie teams lose #seen so many western women complain about being in abusive relationships #why? i thought your western values fixed all this ? #wage gap is still a thing #your government is banning abortion even if it means the mother will literally die #like??? #hijabs are banned in France which basically translates controls of womens bodies #yall westerners need to get off yours imaginary high horse #your society is no less patriarchal than the rest of the world #patriarchy has no culture no religion no specific society it belongs to #men will abuse every power they have even regardless of where they are and you need to understand that

[traincoded]

Nouhaila Benzina becomes the first player to wear a hijab (and get a yellow card and win a match) during a FIFA Women's World Cup on Morocco's debut at the tournament

As a reminder, this would not have been possible in France as the country's highest court ruled in favor of banning hijabs in women's football earlier this year.

#football #wwc 2023 #morwnt

[txttletale]

🔥the hijab debate in France

i've seen one particular and very silly take on it repeated a lot in left-wing circles which is that the hijab ban is in any meaningful way the result of 'atheism'--like, people who inexplicably take at face value the french right's argument that this is a matter of 'secularism' and then proceed from there to 'well, guess secularism is bad'. like, if you think marine le pen's position on the hijab comes from her sincere ideological commitment to irreligiousity and is therefore relevant to forming a criticism of atheism i have an eiffel tower to sell you

#ask #ask meme

[moonlayl]

france continuing to be islamophobic and racist.

Banning abayas in schools. which are basically a cultural dress for many cultures.

First hijab, then niqab. now abayas/jilbabs. What next?

Will long sleeve tops and long skirts be banned too? What about long sleeved long dresses? (which is very similar to what an abaya is)

Will they ban graduation robes too? Those were inspired by our cultures and look very similar.

tell me this isn't misogyny and islamphobia. I dare you.

examples of what abayas are^

#when I say I want this entire country to burn #I'm 100% serious #anti france #islamophobia

[unamazing-sheep21]

The Daroga is actually an extremely important character to the themes of Phantom of the Opera

Many people might not know this but living as a Muslim/brown person in the west ( especially France… see: burqab ban, burkini ban, hijab ban, etc) is extremely difficult for some. Not to mention in a world post 9/11. Not to mention ( probably) in the 1890’s like in Phantom of the Opera where orientalist art and inaccurate and often dehumanising portrayals of the Middle East and it’s people ( muslims, arabs, Persians etc) were common and were used to justify colonialism.

In classic literature there’s only like, ONE character who is brown and is treated like an actual human being by the narrative and is presented as a central cast member to boot: and that’s the Daroga/ The Persian in Phantom of the Opera. And even then, every adaptation after either replaces him with a white person or has an incredibly disingenuous and inaccurate portrayal of him and his ethnicity/religion. Heck, in the Phantom Susan Kay book he’s given the surname “Khan” which isn’t even Persian it’s a PAKISTANI name.

Every other presumably brown/POC character are written animalistically and antagonistically. E.g Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights and Bertha from Jane Eyre. Bertha especially who is just used as an obstical/metaphor instead of an actual genuine character who deserves her own nuance and voice.

Now, back to the tittle, why do I think The Persian’s mere existence and especially with him being Persian/Muslim is inexplicably tied to the themes of POTO? Because he’s just like Erik and completely unlike Erik at the same time. In the book he’s constantly described as wearing as astrakhan cap/ a fez. Something quintessentially Middle Eastern and exposes him as ethnic right away to the eyes of the then European public. Both Erik and The Persian have sides of them that the society they live in at large shuns/dehumanises/condemns. For Erik it’s his face, and for The Persian it’s his culture/ religion/ race. But unlike Erik, The Persian has the choice to “ take it off” or assimilate more into society. He can, and it was better for him if he wore, a top hat but he CHOOSES to wear a fez. And he never takes it off. While he CAN and he has the chance to be more accepted in society than he already is.

But Erik can’t “take it off”, he can’t take off his face.

Though we don’t know much about the Persians’ beliefs, it’s safe to assume he was probably Muslim since Persia has been a Muslim country for a long time ( ignore the one we have now lmao). And I like to think that even in France he doesn’t give up this one part of him. He could just convert to whatever the majority religion in France was at the time and he would be more assimilated into French society, but he doesn’t . He actively chooses to keep parts of who he is even though they put him at a disadvantage. In contrast, Erik would give anything and does try everything ( even to phycotic lengths ) to be considered “ Normal” in society.

And throughout all of Erik’s efforts the only one who was ever really there for him was The Persian. But Erik dismisses him constantly.

I like to think that The Persian stayed because he understands Erik to a certain degree, and I like to think that Erik resents him because he doesn’t use every chance he gets to assimilate into society. To be considered normal. Sometimes Erik quite literally would kill for. Instead hanging onto every part that makes him who he is even when it only isolates him further.

#phantom of the opera #classic litterature #andrew lloyd webber #phantom of the opera musical #The Daroga #Nadir Knan #erik the phantom #erik destler #christine daae #raoul de chagny #gothic romance #gothic fiction #gothic literature #Orientalism #colonialism #imperialism

[tamamita]

The audacity of calling france the most islamophobic country in europe. At least do some research before spreading hate based on prejudice. (source : https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2019/10/14/minority-groups/)

You seriously made a side account just so you could lazily throw a Pew statistic without any sense of statistical analysis and critical thinking?

Don't tell this loser about how Muslims are discriminated against on institutional levels and how there is a ban on religious symbols, especially the demonisation of Hijabs and various other Muslim clothing. But wait, just this very recent, why was a cop rewarded a million dollars after murdering a Muslim boy? Don't tell them either about how they constantly silence Palestinian voices when they direct their criticism towards the illegal settler state.

You never addressed the rise of antisemitism and racism in your country either, btw.

Remember, it is always morally correct to despise the French.