#frozen 2 deleted scene

[theartoffrozen]

Early development sketches by Brian Kesinger for Frozen 2

#frozen 2 #elsa #deleted scene #miscellaneous characters #story sketches #concept art #Brian Kesinger #fave

[ericmicael]

10 CURIOSITIES ABOUT FROZEN 2

1 - The Northuldra Tribe and the plot of the dam was inspired by real life

In 1979 the Norwegian government decided to build a hydroelectric plant on the Alta River, but this would completely harm the salmon fishing and reindeer grazing that are the livelihood of the Sámi Tribe. They tried to oppose the construction, but were ignored and in the end the dam was built. But the protests they held were a major turning point for the tribe's relationship with the Norwegian government, which began to look more closely at the tribe even though it continues to commit various negligence towards it. In "Frozen 2" things were more drastic with King Runeard, Anna and Elsa's grandfather, creating the dam with the sole purpose of weakening the tribe and then managing to exterminate them because he considered them a risk to his throne due to their proximity with the spirits of nature and magic.

2 - Kristoff is technically a Northuldra before Anna and Elsa

It is no coincidence that Kristoff got along so well with the Northuldras and that people started to theorize that he is part of them since Kristoff is a Sámi or at least he was in the script "Frozen 1". In the film's script he and all the ice harvesters are called Sámi, which as I said at the beginning is the Northuldra Tribe from F2. As far as I know there is no confirmation in the franchise that brings the sides together (ice harversters and Northuldra), but considering that the Sámi Tribe is known for being a combination of different types of tribe, even having more than one language wouldn't be too wrong, and actually not unheard of since Anna and Elsa's mother's original tribe is different from the one she is shown participating in in F2 since her original tribe and family were completely wiped out when Iduna was 5 years old.

3 - Bruni or Sally

In the novelization of "Frozen 2" Olaf is in doubt about what name to give to the fire salamander, the options being Bruni and Sally. In the end he doesn't choose any of them and the book itself starts calling the salamander with the name Bruni. This is not the debut of the name Sally, in the Christmas short called "Olaf's Frozen Adventure" the stocking that Olaf hangs on the fireplace has the name Sally on it. And also about Bruni's name in the book "Dangerous Secret's: The Story of Iduna and Agnarr" which is a book that tells the past of Anna and Elsa's parents, Iduna calls the fire salamander with the name Bruni decades before Olaf choose this name for the Fire Spirit.

4 - Halima and Ryder have names inspired by real people

Halima, who is Mattias' love interest, shares her name with her voice actress Halima Hudson, and Ryder, who is Honeymaren's brother, shares his name with Ryder Buck, who is the deceased son of director Chris Buck.

5 - Santino Fontana and the redemption of Hans

Santino, who is the voice actor for the villain in "Frozen 1", even gave an interview saying that someone from Disney, who he obviously can't say who he is, told him that his character would return and I will have a redemption arc… Considering that the character since "Freezing Fever" has become the franchise's most recurring joke, appearing only to be humiliated as in the special "Once Upon a Studio" and in "Frozen 2" Elsa refers to him with the phrase "unreedemable monster" I have my doubts as to whether the person who said that to Santino really was someone from Disney or was playing a joke on him or was from a version of the script so early that perhaps the Northuldra Tribe didn't even exist yet.

6 - Lady Halverson and Woodsman

Speaking of the initial script we have these two figures, the first apparently was Mattias' initial love interest who, instead of being Halima, was a soldier in his battalion and the second is the mysterious being who transforms into a reindeer. We don't have any information about the two characters other than the video that can be found by typing: "Frozen 2 (2019) _ Queen Iduna _ Deleted Scene _ Exclusive Clip (HD)" and some art, and nothing else. "Woodsman" is just a nickname.

7 - Some of the deleted scenes were discovered or not

The production of "Frozen 2" was so chaotic that it generated a documentary where it is revealed that there were several moments deleted from the film, to this day there is not much about it, but we have some books like "The Enchanted Forest". "The Enchanted Forest" is an adaptation of the film, but it is not a very faithful adaptation so much so that there are several differences… Could it be that some of these differences are deleted scenes? There is the origin of the wagon that the group goes to the Enchanted Forest and even new lines between Elsa and Honeymaren, and this was one of the moments that is mentioned as being cut in the documentary. I'm not going to make a guarantee, but perhaps some of these books that portray "Frozen 2" in a slightly different way are actually earlier versions of the script before the cuts? Theories.

8 - Elsa's romantic life in "Frozen 2" and Kristen Bell

Although the theories and campaigns to give Elsa a girlfriend we have nothing official in the second film about Elsa's sexual orientation with Jennifer Lee herself, director, saying that the Snow Queen had a lot on her mind and wasn't ready. But going back to the deleted scenes, there are theories that Elsa would initially have romantic moments with Honeymaren, but they were deleted (in "The Enchanted Forest" the moments between them are new and just new dialogues) but there are some conceptual arts left like these two where Elsa presents intimately magic for the other woman in two stages of the film's development. But there is still this art where she does the same to Ryder which makes Kristen Bell, Anna's voice actress, enter this story, in an interview given to "SiriusXM" again the topic was "Elsa's girlfriend" with Honeymaren being mentioned, but Kristen Bell will mention the theme and ends up saying at the end that Elsa is free to choose and even has more than one option in the Enchanted Forest with her mentioning Ryder. Out of curiosity, the brothers Honeymaren and Ryder have already competed for Elsa in the mobile game called "Disney Magic Kingdoms" where they both try to take the Snow Queen for a walk through the forest, but Honeymaen arrives first, frustrating Ryder who still has to put up with the game itself. mocking him since the name of the mission was "barking up the wrong tree". Later, a festival takes place in Arendelle in this mobile game where Honeymaren offers herself as a saleswoman, wanting to do this just to please Elsa, and Ryder, upon realizing her feelings for the Snow Queen, decides to help… from rival to cupid.

9 - Anna would ask Kristoff to marry her

In one of the deleted songs Kristoff would talk about his feelings, but in the end it would be her who would ask him to marry her. The song is "Get This Right" and the entire scene, still in progress, can be found on YouTube.

10 - Elsa's death

There is a rumor that in the film's original script Elsa would not thaw and would end the film frozen dead, giving a hint that she could return in the future. The main clue would be this concept art where Elsa appears unconscious, thawed with Nokk and if you paid attention to what I said, the main proof that the film would end with her frozen is an art of her thawed. There are still those who use the fact that she couldn't stop the wave as proof since the castle was originally going to be rebuilt, but I honestly don't believe it.

#frozen 2 #northuldra #elsamaren #elsa #honeymaren #queen anna #kristoff #prince hans #bruni #ryder nattura #deleted scene #give elsa a girlfriend #halima

[space-manatees]

source

this lives in my head rent free

#frozen #frozen 2 #deleted scene #kristen bell #jonathan groff #twilight #twilight saga #Bella’s lullaby #edward cullen #robert pattinson #kristen stewart

[meltthefrozenheart]

I'm still here waiting to see Anna use an actual sword ...

I mean, we have even a deleted scene from the first movie where Hans let her use his sword ...

Now that she's Queen, I seriously hope we will finally see her get into action, just like her Mirrorverse version

Maybe Mattias could train her in using an actual sword, that would be so cool ...

#Frozen #Frozen 2 #Anna #Deleted Scene #Hans #Lieutenant Mattias

[true--north]

Elsa, Anna, Kristoff and Olaf came to the gate.

"Maybe you will accompany me to the Fjord, Sis?" suggested Elsa to her sister.

Kristoff took Olaf's hand. "And we already want to sleep, don't we, Olaf?"

"But only after the next chapter from the ecology textbook, not before!" 

Anna smiled. 

"See you later, Elsa!" said Kristoff, and he and the snowman went inside. Elsa waved after them.

Then she turned to Anna. She took her arm and they walked slowly through the night streets of Arendelle.

"We will rebuild the kingdom in a new way," Anna said, looking lovingly at the wooden houses with fretted frames, cast-iron lanterns, and bright painted signs of small shops. "No secrets, no deceit, no division and hatred – as it should be." 

"I guessed that matters of state are your passion." Elsa smiled.

"And I guessed that yours lies somewhere else, that you have a higher calling... Do you remember how it was three years ago? We were completely different persons. And now we are here." She made a sweeping gesture with her hand, signifying both themselves and what they had achieved.

"Now we are closer than we ever were, Sister."

They stopped on the shore of the Arenfjord.

"But there's still something left... I want to show you something." Elsa closed her eyes and waved her hand. A snow wave appeared in the air, which turned into two glowing statues. The memories frozen in time.

Anna gasped. It was Agnarr and Iduna holding hands.

"Darling, I’ve been thinking it might be time to tell Anna about Elsa, I can't bear keeping her shut out anymore. She's maturing now, she can be responsible," Iduna said. 

It was the first time Anna had seen moving memories, and now she was afraid to even breathe, listening to her parents. 

"It's not Anna I'm worried about," Agnarr replied. "What if we let them be close again and those feelings are too much for Elsa?" 

Anna came closer to the statues, and Agnarr's memory continued: "Joy brings her strength as strongly as fear." 

"But if anyone can find a way to help her, it's Anna," Iduna said thoughtfully. 

"She may be right about that. There is not much that this girl cannot do," Agnarr smiled. 

"Her love could hold up the world!" 

Tears quietly flowed down Anna's cheeks. Now she finally understood everything. 

"Lucky for the world. Okay, we'll tell her when we return,” Agnarr decided, and Iduna hugged him gratefully. 

The memories of them scattered in the air, and the snow dust flew into the night sky.

Anna turned around and impulsively hugged Elsa. 

"Thank you so much for that," she said. 

"They believed in you, Anna, and so do I."

For a moment they looked into each other's eyes in silence. Anna dried her tears and smiled. 

"It's time for you to go back to your true home, right?" 

Elsa smiled slightly, her face glowing with love and inner peace. 

"Achtohallan changed me. She needs me, and I want to be there to learn." 

"That’s good. We, you and I, have found a place of our own." 

The sisters smiled and hugged goodbye. And then Elsa touched the water, summoned Nokk and silently sped off into the night.

And Anna returned to the castle. The clock on the Clock Tower struck midnight.

#frozen 2 #drabble #snow sisters #this deleted scene should be in the film

[beansprean]

Nandor: idk what I’m feeling but there’s a lot of it

Harvey said there was a scripted/deleted scene where Marwa tries to get Memo to dance so I'm declaring this canon as far as I'm concerned ty

(ID in alt and under cut)

ID: 1. During the wedding reception, post Marwa covering Guillermo in kisses. She is pulling him up from the table by his hands with a big smile, enticing him to dance. Guillermo looks nervous and like he may protest, but allows himself to be pulled.

2. Marwa and Guillermo beginning to dance in a loose waltz position, Marwa’s hand on his shoulder, Guillermos hand on her waist, their other hands clasped together with Marwa’s on top. Guillermo’s back is to the viewer, stumbling through the steps, Marwa smiling easily.

3. They spin, Marwa now in profile and Guillermo facing the viewer. Guillermo is looking at their feet with a nervous smile. Marwa is staring at him fondly, eyes hooded.

4. They spin, Marwa in profile and Guillermo facing the viewer on the opposite side. Marwa’s eyes are closed, still smiling as she relaxes into the dance. Guillermo looks up at her with a small smile, gaining some confidence as he takes the lead.

4. They spin, Marwa in profile and Guillermo facing the viewer on the opposite side. Marwa’s eyes are closed, still smiling as she relaxes into the dance. Guillermo looks up at her with a small smile, gaining some confidence as he takes the lead.

5. They spin, both in profile now as Guillermo pulls Marwa closer by the waist with a determined grin. Marwa blinks up at him, smile frozen and cheeks flushing as their eyes meet.

6. Guillermo dips Marwa suddenly with a laugh, her skirt floating up around his legs as she gasps in surprise, reddening further. Her tiara dislodges slightly from her hair.

7. Guillermo pulls her back up; both looking flustered. He offers an apologetic smile as Marwa laughs, cheeks deeply flushed, and adjusts her tiara with the hand not clinging to Guillermo’s shoulder.

8. Their hands join and they begin to dance again, spinning slightly so Guillermo’s back is to the viewer again. Marwa has her eyes closed, face leaning down to hide a besotted smile as a heart drifts up by her face. Guillermo is distracted by something and does not see her expression, turning his head to face offscreen.

9. What distracted Guillermo. Full body of Nandor In his wedding best on a splotchy dark red background. His face is in shadow, red eyes peering out intensely as he forces on a fanged grin. He raises one hand to give Guillermo a thumbs up, staring with some dark, confusing emotion. A speech bubble pops up from below screen with Guillermo’s face in it, grinning back at Nandor rather confused but offering a thumbs up in return. /end ID

#wwdits #nandermo #marwa wwdits #wwdits s4e6 #what we do in the shadows fx #what we do in the shadows #my art #fanart #image described #mlm #marwa infected with crush on guillermo continues to haunt me

[faelapis]

if anyone’s wondering what i mean by “tangled marketing” in relation to wish (2023): despite tangled mostly being a very sincere, straightforward fairytale with some jokes, the marketing was ALL jokes. the teaser was this weird scene where rapunzel beats eugene up with her hair in a variety of comedic ways. it does not appear in the final movie.

there’s a great lindsay ellis video on how disney saw the mediocre results of their last few 2d animated movies in the 2000s and had a drastic idea. next to a switch to 3d (that had worked great for dreamworks), the idea was also to change the marketing to be more like dreamworks. sadly, that video appears to have been deleted. so i’ll paraphrase: basically there’s more eyebrow wiggle, more “oh, i’m sooo naughty!” humor, more focus on how this is a movie with “jokes for adults” in it, etc. basically, the idea is to be more irreverent, and that will (in their minds) appeal to modern audiences than a sincere, unironic fairytale.

and it totally worked. tangled made a million buckets of money. then frozen (similarly marketed with a heavy focus on olaf and sven the reindeer) came along, and has basically been a constant money printer the last decade.

…here’s the thing, though. i kinda thought we were over this? the last few disney movies have not been marketed like this. even frozen 2 did not have this kind of marketing. it was much more openly “serious.” remember that teaser of elsa fighting the waves? the marketing was focused on the “drama/adventure” aspect, and this was reflected in the full trailer.

and frozen 2 made even more money than frozen! so you’d think this was done. there’s been a real cringe counterreaction to over-the-top “eyebrow wiggle” humor like this, as well as to annoying disney sidekicks. disney seemed aware of this, as they slowly cut out the “shrek lite” marketing.

…yet here we are. in 2023. after basically no hype for wish, disney is kinda pushing the dreamworks panic button. or trying to split the difference. cuz it’s basically a bait-and-switch trailer that devolves in real time, starting serious then descending into full-on eyebrow wiggle. desperately trying to convince audiences (and themselves) that this will always work. that they can always have a character be like “i found it with my butt! 🤪 ” and it will mean success.

#disney #wish 2023 #disney’s wish #ask to tag #tangled #frozen #wish

[galaxygolfergirl]

Alright gang, let's talk about Kristoff. Here, I want to showcase his new look to discuss some ideas that I've had about his role in the franchise. I additionally updated Anna's look because I feel I didn't shade her enough on the last few pictures. Honeymaren and Ryder are up next, and after that the hypothetical villains of this next installment! But let's get right to it. Read below the cut for more info.

Kristoff. What can I even say about the guy? For as long as I've been a part of this fandom, I admit I've been ambivalent about the guy. He's not the most complex character to get into and Frozen 2 basically had him set up to be Anna's glorified boyfriend, which is a shame, really. He's a hardworking, earnest, dependable guy, an entrepreneur who had already made a life for himself before he met Anna, and while he may be awkward and at first abrasive, he has the best intentions at heart. Frozen 2 did not really give him the best material to work with, nor does he have much to do besides focus on proposing to Anna. So what do we do about this for Frozen 3?

For starters, let's address the fact that he's about to be Prince-consort/King-consort engaged to the Queen of Arendelle. What is there for him to do? He had the title of Arendelle's official Ice Master and Deliverer, but we don't really see him do anything with that position. Furthermore, in the deleted scenes of Frozen 2, they toyed with the idea that Kristoff wasn't really happy with his life in Arendelle and fitting into this new role as part of the nobility. Maybe that should be addressed.

So here's what I did: for his look here, I decided to try and evoke the colors of his outfit in the first movie; a royal blue and gold jacket contrasted with comfortable civilian clothes that he likes to wear, his hair parted to the side and combed a bit more to reflect that while he's had situation of being prince-consort thrust upon him, he's still a down-to-earth guy who won't let the expectations of nobility change who he is. He's a little older, more mature now, and his appearance should reflect that in kind.

For his role in this story, he sees that Anna is stressed out trying to be queen and run the country, and if he and Anna expect to be equal partners by the time that they're married, he could assure her that she doesn't have to take on this responsibility by herself. Prince Albert, Queen Victoria's husband, back in his day dedicated his time supporting public causes, working on educational reform, and was in charge of running the Queen's household, office and estates. Perhaps Kristoff could do something similar. He could be a man of the people and rally them in a darkest hour situation, or heck, recruit those ice cutter guys from the first movies should Elsa's powers be hindered since he's Ice Master. He's been a supportive boyfriend thus far; like any Disney couple, he should be on equal footing with her to some degree.

Lastly, if Hans were to show up, as I've hypothesized, in an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation, the delicious amount of bickering that would ensue between the two of them would be amazing. The protective boyfriend ™️ would come out full swing for Kristoff's supportive arc, though after some time Hans could give Kristoff some insight on how to be a leader, if that scenario should arise.

Anyways, Kristoff deserved better. They all do, so hopefully y'all like what I've come up with so far. There's more on the way. 👍

@jasmindoodles

#frozen #frozen 2 #frozen 3 #frozen 4 #queen elsa #Elsa of arendelle #queen anna #princess anna #kristoff bjorgman #prince hans #hans westergaard #Disneys frozen #fan art #concept art #artists on tumblr #digital illustration #kristanna #kristoff and anna #also I don’t think I’ve ever drawn Kristanna art before #huh

[lazytitans-world]

My research findings on the production of Wish

Never have I seen a fan community do so much with so little than I have with Wish. And to start off, I want to say that you should watch the movie first before going into this and the Starboy fandom as I believe it to be important on forming your own opinion before moving on as I find most of the fandom to have a negative view of the movie, one I do not really share. I found Wish to be fine. I did not hate it, but I did not love it like I do other Disney animated films. But the many rewrites, drawings and animatics featuring character designs that did not make it far in production have become icons in this community inspired me to do a deep dive to see if I could find where in production these concepts died and why.

To save you a read, this production was a victim of simplicity. I feel that many concepts and story ideas were tossed away due to complicating the story, which was always going to focus on Asha trying to save the wishes of her fellow kingdom citizens with the help of a wishing star. I have read many articles and watched a few deleted scenes from the home release and here are my findings.

Starboy never got far in development as the book states that the team went down "a few blind alleys" that lead them to star having a human design for a period. This is probably the period in time where all the Starboy concept art came from and where a potential romantic subplot with Asha was kicked around. It was.

What did Starboy in was the team's choice to make them a shapeshifter as the team thought the character was way overpowered and thus the story lost a lot of dramatic tension (a choice I kind of agree with). It was here where the design team decided that Star needed an overhaul and brought the Story Development artists in and this is where Starboy died and plush Star was finalized.

There are no official storyboards that feature the Starboy designs.

At the start of Wish's production, Frozen 2 was entering it's final stage of production (this would be either late 2018 or early 2019) and was obviously the main focus for Disney animation not to mention projects like Raya and the Last Dragon, Strange World and Encanto were entering their mid development stages before the shutdown.

The effects of the global shutdown were not mentioned in the book, but I would not be shocked if production was affected by it.

Ariana DeBose has said that Wish did not need a love story as she said that,

“I think we live in a time where things are cyclical, right? And so, it’s good for variance and perspective. Not every female Disney character needs to have a go and ambition of simply finding a man to love her. There are more stories to tell.

"And especially in the world we live in today I think something like Wish, that has a broader outlook that talks about community, is just as important as talking about love. And there are so many different ways to love."

"You do see familiar love, love of friendship" in the movie, including the relationship between Asha and Star. Star and Asha have this beautiful connection with each other and so I think it’s good reminding people that not only we can tell different stories, we can also talk about love in different ways.”(source: Exclusive: Wish’s Ariana DeBose defends lack of romance in recent Disney movies (yahoo.com)) whether Ariana had any say on story or character development is unknown.

7. From what I read from the Art of Wish book, the story was always meant to be about Asha defying Magnifico to fight for the people of Rosas and their wishes.

8. As it pertains to "At All Costs", a song that many are saying was meant to be a love song between Asha and Star, in an article by Variety(Julia Michaels Wrote 'Wish' Theme Before the Script Even Existed (variety.com), it states that a love song was not in the film at the time of production and songwriter Julia Michaels "wanted to write a song that as a standalone sounded like a love song that could be played at weddings."

Michaels would go on to say, "How cool would it be if we wrote a song that if you listened to on its own, it sounds like a love song, it could be something you could play at your wedding, or be a lullaby to your kids, just something really beautiful, but when you watch the film, it’s the heroine and it’s the villain.” She continues, “You realize they’re coming about this both from various points, one from a very selfless standpoint and one from a selfish standpoint.”

9. In the same Variety article, it was revealed that for some time in 2020, no script existed for the movie, but Julia Michaels was asked to be the songwriter for the movie and that is where she pitched "This Wish" which would go on to be one of the first songs revealed for the movie.

10. the Variety article also had Jennifer Lee, head of Disney Animation and one of the writers on Wish, say that she wanted a song that showed "it felt like to hold someone’s wish in your hand. How do we viscerally understand that when you’re with them, you feel like you’re holding someone’s raison d’être?” that song would end it being "At All Costs"

11. September 9, 2022, D23 Expo in Anaheim California. This is where certain members of the public got a glimpse of the production of Wish. Jennifer Lee, writer and director Chris Buck, and co-director Fawn Veerasunthorn spoke about the movie and showed the first look of the finalized design of Star which ended up being the mute plush model that ended up in the movie. This means there was a 3-year gap where Starboy and the romance side plot were discussed then shelved.

It was also during this show where the public would learn that Ariana DeBuse would voice Asha and that Alan Tudyk, a staple of past Disney animated films, would have a featured role in the movie as Asha's pet goat Valentino, who would be able to talk thanks to Star's magic. It was also at that show where DuBose came out to sing "This Wish" but at the time the song was called "More for Us".

Magnifico was not revealed at the event but was teased as "one of the most formidable foes in Disney history" which is debatable to say the least.

12. 5 deleted scenes in total appear on the Wish digital and disc copies each introduced by head of story Mark Kennedy where he would describe why the scene got cut. One scene shows Amaya assisting Magnifico in his plan, tying into an early concept where she was a villain alongside him.

Another scene had Asha, Star (who in this scene could shape shift and talk) and Valentino try to sneak into Rosas before being spotted and chased by Amaya, once again acting antagonistic to Asha.

A scene had Magnifco gather the people of Rosas to demand Star be given to him, as he had never seen Star in this version, and Asha her friends try to distract him by having Valentino, who in this version had a more Steve Carell like voice, pretend to be Star while the real Star, who was voiced in this version and was designed as ball of light with eyes and mouth, was trying to free the captured wishes. This scene was changed because they wanted Magnifco to be more threatening and instead of asking the people for Star, he would capture Star. Kennedy would go on to say that they wanted Asha and Magnifico to be smart and that Asha would not do a plan that silly, and they wanted the climax to be Magnifico and Asha alone, so they set it on a platform high above Rosas.

The next scene featured an ally of Asha's named Flazino that was cut out in order to shrink her friend group and tied the group back to the seven dwarfs from Snow White.

Finally, there was a scene where Asha and her grandfather scaled a wishing tree with her grandfather Sabino that showcased their bond but also Sabino's insistence that Asha take down Magnifico.

Each of these scenes felt completely different to the movie that ended up being released.

13. It should be noted that Wish released only a short while after the 2023 Writers and Actors strikes, which meant that for most of the summer and fall of that year, the actors could not do any press for the movie and all marketing was done through ads, trailers and merchandise.

14. As revealed in an article for Disney twenty-three, a magazine for gold members of the Disney D23 Fanclub, in the early visual development stage, there was a test scene that Asha was briefly transported to the village from Pinocchio. This was done to see how the 3D character designs would match with the hand drawn, watercolor backgrounds of classic Disney movies.

15. In that same article, Chris Buck said that in regard to Magnifico's character development that they wanted the audience "to see the evolution of a villain, so he's not a monster from frame one". From what becomes of Magnifico I get what they tried to do, they wanted to show how a character falls into villainy even if they're intentions are good. It also stands with the modern writing style of Disney animation films trying to update classics, this time by having audiences start off by kind of liking the villain through their personality alone.

18. The article also briefly mentions that Star "went through many iterations" another hint of Starboy being considered as a final design.

19. In the Art of Wish book, there is a page that shows the script where Asha meets Star and Star is described as a "cuddly, 3D, five-pointed star." This would indicate that the Starboy concept never got to the scripting stages.

20. In Art of Wish, the reason why Star does not speak is because the film makers wanted to stick to a tenet of film making, show don't tell.

21. Star's face was inspired by the mask like face of early Mickey Mouse cartoons.

22. From all readings, it is safe to say that Asha was NEVER considered to be a princess in any of the iterations of the story as some writers felt it to be too safe of a choice and liked the idea of an ordinary citizen going against the established power of the king.

23. During production, the Disney CEO position changed twice as Bob Iger left the company in early 2020 and named Bob Chapek as his replacement before returning to the company in mid 2023. It is unknown if these changes had any effects of Wish's production as it was it stated development as Iger's first tenure was ending but took place during a majority of Chapek's time.

24. When Angelique Cabal, who voiced Amaya in Wish, first auditioned for the role the character in 2022 Amaya was written as a villain while Magnifico was supposed to be the good king. It was when she returned for the callback that Amaya was changed to what she ended up being in the movie. Source https://www.cinemablend.com/interviews/how-one-character-disney-wish-completely-changed-during-production

In closing, for fans of the Starboy concept, it saddens me to say that it looks the idea only made it as far as concept art as at the time of writing this, no animated sequences, scripts or storyboards have been released that had Star in a human design or discussed a romantic relationship with Asha. I believe the writing team found a romantic relationship between Star and Asha too complicated for the story and decided to simplify the relationship and design of Star to better suit the plot of Asha going against Magnifico. I am disappointed Wish did not go with the more interesting concepts but maybe down the line we'll get that cosmic Disney romance and a villain couple, it just has to work with the story.

I want to say thank you for those that made it to the end, this movie has been on my mind for quite a while and seeing all the re-writes, drawings and animations people have done for Starboy and Asha has been amazing to see. These works have inspired me to rewatch Wish at some point to see if Starboy could have worked in the movie with the story as is, and even share how I would have changed a few things in the story to fit the character and a romantic subplot with Asha plus an idea on how to bring in Starboy while still staying true to the established cannon.

I do hope others watch and enjoy Wish as from what I have read the team did put a lot of effort to makes this movie worthy of not only the high standards Disney animation has set, but as a piece of the 100-year story telling of the Walt Disney company. Film making is already hard enough as it is, especially in animation, but having to make a movie with an original concept and characters that still pays tribute to 100 years of storytelling is a daunting task and I understand and respect the choices they made when making the film and you should as well.

#disney #disney wish #asha x star #starboy #wish reimagined #wish rewrite #wish 2023 #wish #disney star

[boxturret]

Mask o' Flight Bohrok design

The highlight of MoF is the several frames where you can see some frozen Bohrok, it was the part of the movie I was always the most interested in, and would pause and rewind constantly trying to make out any details. Well now there's the HD version on youtube you can actually do that much more reasonably, and I noticed some really interesting details with the shields.

Back when watching it on DVD on a CRT television, all I could ever make out was this one, which seemed to be a simplified Kohrak shield.

But looking at it today I noticed these two, one which looks more like a Nuhvok shield and one that's mid way between the two.

That's when I realised: They were actually articulated! I did a quick sketch of how the would most likely function.

Now you may notice the fire, and wonder why, since it looks like a cross between the Kohrak and Nuhvok shields, but in the movie you can see the slightest hint of red under the ice.

And in a deleted scene you can see Terry showing off a carving of the Bohrok, and the flame shooting one clearly has the same shield design.

Also worth pointing out that the central prong with two flame jets on either side is reminiscent of Tahnok-Kal's shield design. (So maybe it was actually a hoard of Tahnok-Kals...)

So yeah. MoF Bohrok are Tahnok, and their shield does this cool unfolding thing to reveal the flame jets, maybe they could even function as pincers? We may never know.

The tiny robot in Mask o' Flight 2 which used a barely modified version of the Bohrok model features the same shield design as well.

Also possibly shows that if the Bohrok had moved they would have had a single neck, instead of the double one (which I can say from first hand experience is a pain to rig). He's an odd little guy, he moves very awkwardly and somehow looks like he was greenscreened in in a cgi movie.

The Bohrok in MoF are quite odd, they appear for a few frames, are mostly obscured, and for the most part seem to be practically using the 3d model from the renders, but there's little things like this that show that some work did go in to them. It makes their barely being in the movie more of a shame really.

This was going to be a tweet but it was too complicated.

#bionicle #Bohrok #Mask o' Flight

[mikuni14]

Rewatching Ep 1-4 :)

First of all, I'm again amazed and amused by the fact that if they split into 2 groups and guys from one of them walked on their feet and just... didn't stop, they would finally reach civilization and call for help 😂 The road to this house is sentient, I swear, sometimes it's good and passable for a large car, sometimes it turns into some forest path where there is barely room for a scooter, oh, and there is also a conveniently collapsed bridge. Which other people know about, i.e. civilization AND HELP is not THAT FAR. 😭

How Phee gently holds White's hand while preparing for the filming. How does he treat him at all, how kind and caring he is. 🤔

Jin admitting he is a coward. 🤔

I wonder about the divine quality of the murderer(s) 😆 How mobile he is, how he appears often and in different places, twice he appeared in the way of boys running away on a SCOOTER (did he chase them through the forest? or does he just sit in the bushes and jump out when someone appears?), how strong he is - enough to lift Tee, or when he was hit several times in the back and head and it doesn't work on him. Same with his selectivity: he didn't finish off Por, he didn't kill Top even though he had the perfect opportunity, he killed Dang, he tried to kill Jin in the temple. And he never seems to sleep. And the fact that Top arrives on a scooter disguised as a murderer who previously attacked Tee and Tan who was then wearing black shoes and blue pants, while Top has white shoes and pants.

In deleted scene: Por counted 9 people on cctv.

Jin says that Non is alive, he just doesn't want to talk to them. 🤔 Tee and Top immediately assume it's his ghost, meaning that Non may be dead 🤔 Tee: If Non were alive, he would come to visit us, or at least he would come to Jin. Phee keeps insisting that the murderer is human. 🤔

Jin is genuinely worried about Por, he is shown comforting others, a voice of reason, a support for the group.

Phee's strange reactions: when Tee wants to leave Por and save himself, Phee is shown sitting frozen, looking at the floor. (Was that the case with Non? Was he left behind with wounds and maybe the reason he died was because no one helped him?). Or when Phee looks at Fluke strangely when he talks about leaving fingerprints on the dead body and an autopsy, and then he keeps looking at him when Fluke is visibly panicked. 🤔

Tan keeps directing the conversation towards Non, casually trying to bring out from the group what happened 3 years ago, until he loses control towards the end and DEMANDS to tell him what happened. Tan messes with Fluke's head, who only in this one scene with him, acts genuinely terrified of dying throughout the entire series, even his voice is different. Yet Tan also saw someone in the house and fought the murderer, too. What's interesting is that when the injured Tan comes back, he calls only Phee and Jin. 🤔

Now, as the first time, I'm impressed with how Tee treats White. I really can't doubt his feelings for White. His vile character, which we got to know in the flashbacks, came out in two scenes with White, when he scolds White for "not obeying" (although I have the impression that Tee is lashing out because he's panicking about filming a movie that triggers him) and when he runs away with Top (in in this scene he clearly succumbs to fear and peer pressure, they are in a frenzy in this scene. But the moment he sees the masked murderer he realizes that he left White and immediately returns).

It's interesting how Jin and Phee gravitate towards each other. I also think they are more compatible with each other than Phee and Non. And Jin can't lie to Phee and tells him the truth straight to his face, including the unpleasant one, which clearly pleases Phee.

It's also interesting how Phee and Tan often complement each other and "cooperate" wordlessly 🤔

The scooter doesn't start when Phee tries and starts immediately when the murderer sits down 🤔

Fluke is ready to worsen Por's condition, shoot Top and now hold everyone hostage (what's his plan again?), just so the truth about what happened 3 years ago doesn't come to light and just to save his precious reputation. Fluke is willing to do anything to save his bright future as a doctor. (It's very interesting how he looks at his bloody hands.) Just like the first time, I wonder about Fluke's extremely terrible behavior towards White, he is plain nasty, abusing him mentally, verbally and even physically, how often he tells him that Por may die because of him, he acts like a abusive parent with his: "can you do at least one thing right?", "you are so slow." What else struck me was the obvious fact that Fluke hates being a doctor, hates the patients, hates this job, complains when he has two patients, doesn't he know what it's like to work in a hospital? 😆Question: why does Fluke want to become a doctor, because it's definitely not his calling… 🤔 For his mom? For the money?

Jin's arm is dislocated AGAIN? What happened the first time?

Fluke to Tee: you killed a person. Tan immediately at Tee: 👀👀👀 I have the impression that Phee is working with Tan and that they just want to get confirmation of what happened first by scaring the boys. We see, for example, Tan unpacking the costume, which means he has access to it. And that is why the murderer did not kill Top - because he only wanted to freak him out (which worked, also Top's panic was contagious, also Tan is not there). Or maybe there never was a plan? Because actually everything looks quite random and accidental, they couldn't have known that Por would have a disk with the movie lying just there next to the TV (unless they already had this disk and placed it earlier), that he would let them play it, that the rest of the guys would agree to play in the new film. There's just too much randomness, dumb luck and unknowns here and the real (?) murderer is interfering with their plans.

I have a feeling that Non is either dead, missing, in a coma, or in a mental hospital and Phee and Non are trying to get information what happened. Although I wonder why they would wait 3 years for an answer, while being friends with the people who caused Non's downfall. Not to mention that Phee was sleeping with Jin and had quite an intimate and emotional relationship with him, and if he hooked up with him for revenge/spying, that would be quite a new level of sophistication and, well, being fucked up. And bit out of character for Phee, too I think. I have the impression that Phee and Tan are also shocked by what is happening, but I might be wrong.

I would say that Por's death was an accident that no one wanted (Phee, Tan and even the masked killer), if it weren't for that wire that decapitated Dang and the genuine attempt to attack Jin. Is this Non? Hmm, this would mean that Non's alive and in these three years he has either improved a lot and is able to carry out a complicated revenge plan, or his condition has gotten a lot worse and he is on a killing spree - at the same time being sane and balanced enough to carry it out successfully. (friendly reminder, that in slasher films, parents are also often the masked murderers - especially mothers..)

(Did you know that the actor playing Dang has his entire body covered with tattoos? :O) ​

#dead friend forever #dff the series #thai bl #bl drama

[theartoffrozen]

Storyboards by Stephen Anderson

#frozen 2 #Elsa #Anna #Olaf #Yelena #deleted scene #the enchanted forest #Stephen Anderson #storyboards

[ericmicael]

F2: USE OF DELETED SCENES

The deleted scene where Anna and Elsa discover Iduna's secret room was adapted in "Forest of Shadows" and ended up being a very recurring element in the following books ("Dangerous Secrets" and "Pollar Nights").

And the moment where Elsa brings the memory of Iduna and Agnarr to Anna where her parents say they intend after the trip to Ahtohallan to tell Anna the whole truth is the last scene of “Polar Nights”.

A deleted moment that I would like to see adapted would be the “Woodsman”. The man who turns into a reindeer.

@bigfrozenfan​ did a really great job adapting the character concept for the fanfic that he posts here @bigfrozenfan-fanfics​.

But I didn't want it to be in a movie, but in a book. I love the concept of the franchise's mythology, but I understand that "Woodsman" wouldn't work in a movie, and I actually want "Frozen 3" to focus more on the magic vs. technology context than any other magical creature. But in a book it would match... although "Polar Nights" took advantage of something else from "Frozen 2" that this time was not discarded, the moment when Elsa answers Olaf's question and says that was the end, in the book Anna asks if this is the last time they will save Arendelle from a threat and Elsa also replies that it is the last time, but there is a comical tone to her answer. I don't like to believe that these dialogues are really something really decisive, Disney's way of saying that these great moments in the franchise are over, but these dialogues exist.

#frozen 2 #Forest of Shadows #polar nights #polar nights spoilers #polar nights: cast into darkness #deleted scene

[meltthefrozenheart]

FROZEN 2: surely this deleted scene about Kristoff "lie" was mentre to create an ulterior connection to Iduna

Iduna had to completly sacrifice her own identity to survive outside of the Enchanted Forest and to live in Arendelle, and only years after her marriage to Agnarr she would've revealed her true self. Yet, Agnarr immediatly listened to her, understanding perfectly her worries without a single doubt.

It's a revelation meant to connect Iduna and Elsa even deeper, but it's a good sign they chose to carry on that matter with Kristoff ... or, at least, they had the idea, before they changed his and Anna's arc. Still, as with many other things, I'm sure that is an idea with a lot of potential, maybe under different circumstances, with Kristoff having different, much deeper issues than just not liking the royal life. I would seriously love to see Anna, and even Elsa, being of help and supportive for once, instead of the other way around after two movies already ...

#Frozen 2 #Deleted Scene #Kristoff #Anna #Iduna #Agnarr #Queen Iduna #King Agnarr

[chatretr0]

Frozen 2 Deleted Scene

Scene: Elsa's Dream

#frozen 2 #frozen #2010s #2019 #walt disney productions #walt disney animation studios #walt disney pictures #walt disney studios #walt disney #disney studios #disney animation studios #disney animation #disney #disney frozen 2 #disney frozen #animation #english #2d #animatic #storyboard #storyboards #3d #cgi animation #cgi #deleted scene

[galaxythreads]

How do you feel about Odin, because I saw lots of posts saying odin messed big time with all three of his kids but then you say you only said because it’s fun

In Thor 1, and only Thor 1, with ONLY the context of Thor 1, I can argue that Odin was just trying to reach out to his kids and couldn't quite manage it. That he was a good, but flawed father, who tried. That opening scene where he grabs their hands is extremely soft. Odin couldn't fight the Odinsleep and he had been putting it off, but rather than immediately go to sleep after Thor was banished he finds Loki to make sure he's okay. I genuinely think that if Odin hadn't fallen asleep, he could have talked Loki down from the rest of the chaos of the movie. When you add in all the movies after Thor 1, that's when I'm like "hmmm. no. with more context, you're actually a terrible person and father."

I've read so many fics where Odin is a good parent. I've written a few myself. I actually started a one-shot series, now deleted, of times where Odin was a good parent. I love the idea of him being a good parent, but I just don't see that as canon reality. With how he's treated his children, the combined evidence of how all of them turned out speaks volumes for how loved they felt. Even if we got to see Odin's perspective, that doesn't matter to me. Odin doesn't get to decide he isn't the bad guy to his children. What he did affected them permanently. Are his children biased in how they view him, so the audience is too? Yes. But again, Odin doesn't get to be the good guy just because his motivations are muddled and more complicated than we usually think of them as being. His children were victims of him and you can see that time and time again. That is something that I personally can't look past. Even if he had the most loving, deeply caring reason in the entire world to treat them like that, Thor, Loki, and Hela deserved better than what they got. They are not okay and if Odin had been a good parent, they would have felt loved and more secure. Being a bad parent is different than being a bad person, but Odin manages to get 2/2 with the context of later movies.

I said in the tags of a post I reblogged discussing Odin not being as horrible of a person as we consider him to be, the post you tagged me on, that "I write him as abusive because I find it interesting" and to be clear - I do think that Odin, with all the context of every movie we have, is abusive. I do not think he is physically abusive, and I didn't clarify that. There is little to no canon evidence of that, but THAT is what I put into my fics because I find it interesting. Physical abuse. It's not that it's the Worst Type of Abuse or that I'm trying to play everything up just because I can. IT's just one type of abuse that I want to explore. It's fanfiction. I am exploring the possibility of what Thor and Loki would be like if they were physically abused. I wrote a fic where Hela was the victim of human experimentation and like. I had fun. People love that story. It isn't canon and I know that, but that doesn't mean I can't write it. It's very canon-adjacent.

But, regardless of that, emotional neglect is abuse. Thor, Hela, and Loki in canon absolutely have symptoms of being emotionally neglected and somewhat have some of being emotionally abused, You can see Frigga being emotionally neglectful to Loki in the TDW, and the way Loki reacts to it suggests that he's not surprised and he is used to it. Odin tells Loki his birthright was to die as a child on a frozen rock and that he should be grateful to Odin for not killing him. You know. As a baby. Odin is extremely dismissive and emotionally neglectful of both Thor and Loki in the TDW. He compares the woman Thor almost died for to a goat and you can see that it hurts Thor, but he says nothing in his defense. Thor is severely depressed in TDW and you can see it everywhere, and Odin doesn't care. Frigga doesn't care. They ignore it because it's easier. Sif is really the only person to ask if he's okay, and that's at the end of Thor 1. That to me suggests that their home environment was not very healthy. You know that entire conversation of "reassurance" between Frigga and Thor in Endgame? That is a master class of emotional neglect. She didn't help him. She didn't listen to him. Not a healthy environment.

I think deep, deep, deeeeeep down in canon, Odin and Frigga wanted to be good parents - to Thor and Loki, they would leave Hela in prison for a 1000 years and be cool with it, oh wait they actually did - but they didn't have the time/energy/mental health to manage it. They're both the rulers of nine worlds, they don't have time to raise kids. Thor and Loki are vying for their attention constantly which suggests that it's a very rare thing to receive from their parents. Thor is the most attention-starved person in MCU in the first Thor. Emotional neglect!! I genuinely think that Thor and Loki more so raised each other than their parents.

So no, I don't like Odin. I think he's a complex character and I'm happy to discuss him in depth, but I think he is an awful, awful parent. Like I said, there is a distinction between parenting and the person, and Odin is a TERRIBLE parent. He's not an amazing person either, but I think he tried. Odin didn't decide to stop collecting realms on a whim, something must have happened that made him value peace over bloodshed. He told Thor and Loki that "a wise king must never seek out war, but must always be ready for it" so he was trying to be a better king and not leaping at things with his teeth bared. He tries to stop the war with Laufey. Idk. It's complicated. Canon is complicated. People are very rarely black and white and Odin isn't an exception to that rule.

There is a reason that him being physically abusive doesn't feel ooc, AND why him trying to be a good parent also doesn't feel ooc. A complicated man, to be sure. I don't really discuss Odin as a character that much, but I do think about him. He and Frigga are fascinating to me.

#one day i will actually write a fic where Odin and Frigga didn't REALIZE how bad things had gotten #and then they actually make it up to thor and loki #Odin #thor #loki #tdw #thor 1 #hela #answered