#fundy analysis

[420technoblazeit]

tommy's making a fair point about the mechanics of minecraft in relation to the lore actually. it's true that in the dsmp's current stage everyone kinda has the same power level. they all have netherite armor and the best enchanted weapons and all that because the traditional way of playing minecraft includes getting geared up to protect yourself from threats. but this has the unintended consequence of making the combat much less interesting during big story moments

when eret betrayed l'manburg in the war it was more impactful because l'manburg was set up as the underdogs by virtue of having less resources and protection than the dream team. there was a clear power difference visible in the way that fundy, tubbo, tommy, and wilbur had cobbled together pieces of armor and the dream team was decked out in full enchanted netherite. in the earlier days of the smp the lack of armor contributed to the weight of the conflict

the l'manburg era was pretty good at controlling this sort of thing because the no armour rule worked both within the context of the lore and on a meta level

it feels like every method of fighting has been explored a especially with the usage of things like end crystals, withers, tnt, and wolves. and these days even those aren't enough to really damage someone unless you have a way of stripping them of their armor

ranboo's death was a great demonstration of this problem, where in order to actually kill him they had to write a reason for him to take off his armor. i'm not saying that stream was disappointing but ranboo's death specifically felt a little anticlimactic to me and it's not really anyone's fault either. that's just how it works sometimes when youre using a game for something other than its initial purpose

on the other end of this i literally can't count the amount of times schlatt had to ask tommy to kill a skeleton or a creeper for him because he failed to account for his complete lack of armor outside of a character perspective

idk. it's interesting how the mechanics of a game like minecraft have to be put into consideration for when you're crafting a narrative in that form. many things to think about in smp roleplay

#dream smp #dsmp #mcyt #meta #tommyinnit #ranboo #jschlatt #fundy #tubbo #wilbur soot #dreamwastaken #georgenotfound #sapnap #eret #the pig squeals #analysis #long post

[goatbeard-goatbeard]

Can I just say how much I adore Good Omens’ portrayals of falling? I especially appreciate Gabriel’s weird abrupt turn in s2, because sometimes it really is like that.

My own loss of faith took years. It also took about 10 minutes.

If you had asked me that afternoon how I felt about [pick any controversial topic], I would have been 100% on the party line. And that wasn’t a performance or a mask, that was what I genuinely believed. Ask me about those same topics the next morning, and my positions on ALL OF THEM had completely changed.

Because: beliefs are related to each other! They support each other! You can’t always change one belief without changing dozens of others that are connected to it. So that final switch was turning a hundred different switches on the switchboard. In the years leading up to it, I was collecting those switches. I was installing the switches. But they stayed firmly in the Off position. These were things other people believed. They could only flip (becoming things I believed) once they had ALL been installed, because they ALL had to flip at the same time.

To people who haven’t experienced that (or who lost their faith in a different order / for different reasons), a gradual, piece-by-piece process probably looks more realistic. It’s way, way more common in fiction. But I personally find those portrayals to be so alienating. It often feels like storytellers can’t put themselves in a believer’s shoes at all. Like they’re writing a character that never really believed any of that stuff, deep down. So it’s very easy for that character to shed bits and pieces of those beliefs over time, because they were never actually integrated into their concept of reality.

Compared to that, Gabriel feels so much more real.

Because there won’t always be a nice, gradual Questioning Phase in between “archangel fucking Gabriel” and “what about no armageddon”. Sometimes it’s a long, invisible process of data gathering — all while 100% on heaven’s team — punctuated by a very very sudden freestyle dive.

#good omens #good omens 2 #good omens spoilers #good omens 2 spoilers #ex christian #exvangelical #ex fundie #good omens meta #good omens analysis #the archangel fucking gabriel #gabriel good omens #good omens gabriel #ineffable bureaucracy #good omens 2x06 #sauntered vaguely downwards #million lightyear freestyle dive #exvie #ex fundamentalist #all the discussion on this post makes me feel so warm #I’m so happy this resonated

[appleflavoredkitkats]

ALSO FUCKING IMPORTANT. THE FACT THAT FUNDY OWNS UP TO THE IDEA THAT HE WASN’T CARED ABOUT

this is so fucking important because this man has chased people to gain the damn recognition he craved. the recognition he never got from wilbur culminated into a spiral of wanting more and more validation from others because he always thought HE was the problem.

but here’s fundy, admitting that he doesn’t forgive wilbur, and that he recognizes that other people don’t care about him. for fucking ONCE he says he doesn’t CARE about other people not caring about him because he recognizes he doesn’t deserve this. he isn’t being patient with wilbur or chasing false realities like he did in the first half of the stream- he affirms that he doesn’t want wilbur, affirms he doesn’t want to chase for that affection he so longed crave.

and that’s powerful. that’s so fucking powerful. holy SHIT fundy.

#mcyt #dream smp #fundy #dream smp analysis

[cmyknoise]

"why did you die?"

“I was very sad.”

Singlehandedly probably one of the best things ever from that stream, and that is so much coming from a superb stream.

"Why did you die?" is so reminiscent of a question a child would ask if their parent had died, whether from suicide or other means (in this case, suicide).

It is a question of anger and frustration and pure not understanding. it's the same thing a kid would ask because they don't understand how a person could hurt so much to do that, or how they could leave them.

Fundy was angry and mad because Wilbur left him. he didn't know why he left him, he didn't know or understand why they couldn't do something else, anything else. He didn't know that Wilbur was hurting, he didn't know, and in those moments he didn't care. it's the question from a hurt child.

In that moment, that's what he was. a kid suddenly very alone in the world, knowing that the only person he had just left him, and everyone after would follow suit.

"I was very sad." Is such an... honest answer. It suffices. He doesn't have to say 'i was paranoid, i was depressed, i was tired, i was hopeless'. He said what was true, it weighs just as much as everything else simply because it's a fact not many people knew or picked up on.

Wilbur was honest with his intentions in Pogtopia, but not his feelings. When he was revived, he also made such a point to pretend he hated something just to keep up this sort of image that he never cared and that it hurt him how much he cared. But... that's the point. He was sad, and he was hurt.

Not only is this a punch in the face hearing Wilbur say this, but it's the only real time we've heard him say much of anything about what he felt during Pogtopia (similarly to Tommy and his silence on exile. in my opinion, this felt very similar to 'it was a wiggly time in my life).

But it also fits in line with the previous comparison. It's such a simple explanation that someone may use to explain to someone, like Fundy, who didn't understand why someone would leave them in that way. It's similar to how a family member may explain to a child why their parent is no longer with them.

It's not too detailed or grim, but it's not lying or sugar coating it. It's simple, and true, and an answer that Fundy, all too clearly, understood.

It's even more impactful, gut-wrenching, with the follow up question,

"Why couldn't we walk away? Just you and me?"

#dsmp #dream smp #wilbur soot #fundy #fundylive #analysis #lemon's stuff

[mellorphic]

Tommy was the heart of L’Manberg.

He lived and died for it. He loved it longer than anyone else and was loyal to it regardless of the ways it failed him. He inspired the anthem and everything L’Manberg stood for, Tommy stood for too.

Tubbo was the body of L’Manberg.

He built L’Manberg. He built Manberg. He built New L’Manberg. Everyone else could give the nation everything they had, but it wouldn’t have existed without Tubbo. Not in the way that it did.

Wilbur was the mind of L’Manberg.

Without his ideas and without his dreams, L’Manberg never would’ve existed, and it never would’ve been a synonym for freedom or joy. There never would’ve been a deceleration or a war or an election or a nation without Wilbur to think of it. And he blames himself for its downfall because of this.

Fundy was the spirit of L’Manberg.

Fundy had lived in L’Manberg through all three of its administrations. He was born there. He pulled pranks on the nations people which made it what it was. And Fundy believed in L’Manberg and it’s message until the end of schlatt’s presidency. Then he lost all trust in it.

Niki was the soul of L’Manberg.

She fed the nation. She fought for it. She understood the vision of it. She loved the people inside of it for so long. She broke when it did. Niki gave up it lost its final life. Eventually she did move on.

All of them were L’Manberg. All of them lost L’Manberg. The country died, bit by bit, every time one of them lost faith in it.

#tommyinnit #c!tommy #wilbur soot #c!wilbur #tubbo #c!tuboo #niki nihachu #c!niki #fundy #c!fundy #dream smp #dsmp #lmanberg #l’manberg #early L’Manberg #Manberg #pogtopia #new l’manberg #dsmp analysis #dream smp analysis #orphic talks

[conarcoin]

okay i now know too much about one specific aspect of homestuck and thankfully nothing about the rest of it. anyways, some dream smp classpects or whatever. i have never read homestuck, i just like character analysis.

dream - thief of blood. steals people's bonds and attachments for his own gain.

george - bard of void. invites destruction through absence. i just thought this one was funny

bad - bard of heart. allows destruction of his own heart.

punz - thief of light. steals fortune for his own gain.

fundy - heir of blood. is changed through his bonds with others, particularly familial.

wilbur - bard of mind. allows/invites destruction of his own mind and ideas.

schlatt - witch of rage. manipulates negative emotions.

karl - page of time. leads others through/using time.

connor - knight of time. uses time for his own benefit.

foolish - sylph of life. repairs life.

slime - seer of heart. observes and learns from the feelings and heart of others.

uh, yeah, there we go. feel free to yell at me why i'm wrong people who have actually read homestuck

[painless-innit-colourful]

watching a poor excuse for your remaining parent try to act like he has the right to reinsert himself into your life now that the dust from all the explosions has settled. he takes you fishing and nope and you play the worst game of catch ever and you watch him step too far back and disappear over the edge and for a second your heart lurches, and it's not fair that you still want his affection, but it'll never fix the holes he left behind so maybe the best option is to leave him the same way he left you. // it was all going so well you played together and talked about the old days and wanted to ask him about his future but it's looking less and less like any of you are going to get one because there he goes! and he tore out your heart and stomped on it and ripped it to pieces but he has every right to and he's tore away a part of you and you're watching it flutter in the wind as it descends to the depths of a crater like the tattered remains of a burnt flag in your coat pockets.

#dream smp #crim speaks #wilbur soot #fundy #does this count as analysis or writing? i have no idea #crim writes

[rhysintherain]

Me: Lae'zel is a giant pain in the ass.

The Writers: no you don't understand! Lae'zel is super young and grew up in a strict environment where loyalty to a central figure is mandatory and critical thinking and independence are discouraged. So when she learns that central figure is a lie, she immediately picks a replacement because she doesn't know how to form an identity outside of loyalty to her cause!

Me: I'm in this picture and I don't like it.

#she's a phenomenally well written character #unfortunately some of how well she's written is also written to get on my very last nerve #take a breath. have a nap. drink some water. then tell me if this is still worth yelling about miss attitude #a surface level analysis would suggest shadowheart is the fundie coded character here #but for me it's much more Lae'zel #shadowheart finds some semblance of balance too quick for that #Lae'zel just tries to replace jesus with buddha and move on #i have a feeling it'll take her a while to figure out why that... doesn't actually work #Baldur's Gate 3

[somehowmags]

statement of fundy soot, regarding a falling out with his father

(another @pinchhitsfromthevoid, this time for salem-is-tired, who requested a tma au!)

#dream smp #dsmp #wilbur soot #fundy #dsmp wilbur #dsmp fundy #tommyinnit #or. his shoes. i guess #fanart #my art #blood tw #body horror tw #ok so. explanation: #so. there is a very good analysis post by nightsferns that shows evidence for the fact that #tommy kinda. helped sabotage wilbur and fundy's relationship. #ill reblog it after i post this #so the story i thought up for this comic was this: tommy is an avatar of the corruption #(because the corruption is all about love) #and for a while he's staying with wilbur and fundy #and slowly wilbur and fundy get sicker and sicker and fundy starts throwing up feathers #and somehow wilbur in his paranoia starts believing that Fundy is the one causing the sickness #when in reality tommy is the one causing it #is tommy doing this on purpose? thats up to you to decide (probably yeah) #but my thought here was mainly that the corruption is fundamentally about love- and fundy is a character starving for love #anyways! hope u like it!

[umbrify]

God, watching the start of the Wilbur and Fundy stream, knowing how it ends, it’s so interesting. Like the way that Fundy talks to Wilbur, he’s very like, tired and sad and clearly uncomfortable the whole time. He tries to make the most of it, but he constantly had that aura of “I don’t want to be here”

And Wilbur has this desperate tone throughout the whole thing. Like he just wants be good for Fundy but he isn’t quite sure what to do. He’s nervous and he’s not sure how to act but he’s trying, and he really does want Fundy to be happy.

And maybe for a bit, Fundy really did try to be happy spending time with Wilbur. Maybe for a bit, he tried to make the most of it.

But Fundy realized, he just couldn’t do it. He couldn’t be happy spending time around Wilbur.

Fundy was hurt by Wilbur in ways that he couldn’t forgive. And he appreciated that Wilbur tried, he really did. But it could never be enough. There’s nothing that could be enough. The damage was done.

#dream smp #fundy #wilbur soot #dsmp lore spoilers #dream smp lore #dream smp analysis #dsmp #umbrify talks

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Bonus!

I finally bit the bullet and did an updated group photo for gen 3 because I wanted to replace the header I have for this account right now. I'm still stuck on what to do for a profile picture, but I'll figure it out eventually I guess. When planning out the posing for this, I was inspired by @duggardata to do some info points for my sims, so I'm going to be doing some basic and random facts about these little bunches of pixels to end the year. This ended up being a mini thesis, so grab a snack if you plan on scrolling down, and I'll put the post under the cut to save your scrolling the TL. When I started this it was meant to be a small cute post with random information, and has now become an actual analysis. If I've missed anything or if i find more that I can talk about, there definitely can be more of these later down the line.

I'm going to queue this for 11:30pm my timezone, so I wish you all a very happy new year, may you get everything you desire and more!

This is all 36 people that make up the 3rd generation. I've arranged them in birth order, so this is technically chronological I guess. I did mess up when I got to the end because I forgot about Ashton (Allan & Casandra's 13th - the irony 😂) and plopped her further down than she should be.

Names L-R:

Back: Adalynn Leonard, Barrett Collins, Macie Collins, Carter Paulson, Abbey Hill, Brittany Dahlmann, Zoe Moreno, Valentina Townsend, Alan Paulson, Tanner Collins, Maggie Wright, Celeste Paulson.

Middle: Kyra Shearer, Reece Collins, Kristyn Crocker, Sabrina Crawford, Beckett Collins, Amira Eichelburg, Priscilla Roberts, Annette Collins, Jarrod Paulson, James Hunt, Charles Collins, Zachary Paulson.

Front: Rory Godwin, Ruby Rae Godwin, Parker Collins, Ava Grace Godwin, Conner Paulson, Jarrett Paulson, Gabriela Hunt, James Lee Collins, Matthew Collins, Ashton Collins, Amelia Godwin, Archie Collins.

Now onto the stats!

Basics

Out of the 36 :-

Men: 17

Women: 19

The split between men and women is 49/51 (don't quote me on my maths, I dropped maths classes as soon as I was able to 😂) Within the siblings groups it's definitely not as even, though the final results even themselves out. Gender roles are heavily enforced in these households, so ones that are female heavy (Allan and Casandra's 8 girls to 5 boys) compared to those that are male heavy (Claire and Ryan's 6 boys to 4 girls) will have different experiences. Having girls being born earlier in the birth order definitely helps lighten the load when there's a new children every other year.

Marriage

Marriage is definitely a stage of life that fundies emphasise for their kids, with purity culture pushing for them to be married as soon as possible to (A) prevent sin and (B) produce children as fast as possible. Of course, there's those for whom marriage doesn't happen at the desired time, but in times like this the advice is to wait "on the Lord's timing".

For those eligible for marriage out of the 36:

21 are married

1 is engaged

1 is in a courtship

The average age for marriage is 22. The youngest age being 18 (Maggie, Reece, Priscilla) and the oldest being 29 (Abbey)

I don't have exact data for the courtships so I can't do an average, but I can say the longest relationship prior to engagement was Abbey and Adam's - they dated for two years before getting engaged.

Speaking of dating, fundies and many other conservative christians push courting rather than dating. They reason that it's more serious and with the purpose of marriage, and if you add in purity culture there's the argument that they're saving 'pieces of their heart' for their future spouse. Out of the 23 couples who are either married or on their way there, only 2 couples kissed before marriage: Abbey & Adam and Brittany & Colton. These two couples weren't held to as strict standards as their cousins due to their parents outlook on things, they already knew that their daughters didn't personally agree with the convictions on purity (plus with brittany marrying into a well known political family, they saw it as a means to an end 😂) The other 19 couples (soon to be 20) saved their first kiss for the altar, as will the one courting couple (Zachary & Kelsey). Only 3 couples had no touch courtships the whole way through (and this number is debatable because I myself couldn't keep a storyline straight hehe - but from the character personalities and different plotlines let's agree with 3): Reece & Stacie, Alan & Tessa, and Tanner & Tabitha. In all 3 cases it was the girls family that set the stricter rules, which is more common as girls are engineered to guard their purity.

As if common with real life fundies, the older the kids get the faster they get in courtships that end in marriage. This is one of that things that you can't really predict since people's stories are different, Adalynn was the first one to get married 13 years ago, and the next family wedding was Barrett's 3 years later. In the first 9 years since the 3rd generation started getting married, 8 couples were married. The beginning of the next decade is when things started to happen in a flurry, 5 couples got married with four of them having their first child in the same year (this wont make sense, but if i try to make it fit real world parameters i'll acc go insane HAHA - this is fictional so it's allowed not to make sense) The most couples to get married in a year is 7 couples, and with the 13 left I doubt that there will be the same back to back that was happening earlier. The girls have gotten married faster than the boys, but that was to be expected when you consider that gender roles play heavily into fundie culture. It's easier to marry off a daughter to be a wife and mother than having to marry of a son, she will be provided for but he needs to be in the place where he can provide for a family that has the potential to grow exponentially. Obviously because this is a game where reality is suspended, the men in the game don't have to do much to be providers.

Education

Education is important as it shapes a person's thoughts and opinions, therefore fundies are more than likely to homeschool their children so that they are in control of what their child is exposed to. For those who think total at home education isn't where the Lord is leading them, there are other options available such as a homeschool co-op and private christian schools, with the last resort being the public education system.

The 2nd generation are quite diverse with their belief systems, influencing their thoughts and opinions around how they educated their children - and let's be honest, finances do play a certain role here whether you like it or not.

Allan & Casandra - Casandra totally homeschooled all 13 of their children through K-12.

Branden & Lea - Lea homeschooled their 3 children from kindergarten through to grade 8, and for high school the kids attended a private christian school.

Claire and Ryan - Claire totally homeschooled/currently homeschools their 10 children.

Danielle and Sebastian - Danielle totally homeschooled/homeschools their two children.

Elaine and Taylor - Elaine homeschooled/homeschools their 5 children through a homeschool co-op that she taught at prior to having children. The kids are educated by various teachers that specialise in different subjects using an approved curriculum.

Fletcher and Cara - They've chosen to send their son to a private christian K-12 school.

Grayson and Keira - Keira homeschools the kids until they're in grade 8, then they send the kids to a private christian school for high school.

When it comes to university, fundies definitely don't push it onto their children as they see it as a place where they'd be brainwashed. As the times have changed, there have been more and more conservative christian universities that have opened up that cater to fundies, so there are more fundies getting a tertiary education.

Right now there are only 8 out of the 36 sims that have gotten degrees or are actively pursuing them:

Beckett - He's the only one of his siblings to attach themselves to a university, even if his degree was in Bible & Missions at a very conservative bible college. His siblings' skill sets are either self taught or they were mentored by someone, though his sister Amira is doing an associates degree at some point (I just haven't figured out in what yet).

Abbey - She has an distinguished degree in biology and currently works as a marine biologist. I sent her and her sister to the in game university and physically sent them to classes and everything (which is something I'm never doing again HAHA). Back then I also didn't have the thought to send them to a christian university, so let's pretend she just skipped everything evolutionary for her degree.

Brittany - She has a distinguished degree in communications and worked as a political commentator before getting married. She and her sister were the first girls to go to university from their cohort (as well as the first to not be homeschooled), especially since they're in the first phase of the 3rd generation when the 'vibe' in their extended family was very conservative.

Tanner - He has his MD and is now working as a doctor (using the in-game university mechanics) he was also the first boy to attend a secular university, but there obviously weren't as many opinions on him doing it than on his sisters doing it.

James - He has his degree in Bible Counselling with a focus on Youth and Ministry from a local bible college in his area. It was a two year degree to help create missionaries that could be sent out to help churches. He met his wife whilst at university and they married as soon as they graduated, they now live in henley on Bagley as missionaries assigned to help grow a church there. His sister Gabriella doesn't know what she wants to do (i also have no clue), so that will be revealed in due time.

Kyra - She got her degree in early education and is now a kindergarten teacher at a private christian school, she even met her husband at the school through his niblings. Her mother (Elaine) being a teacher and her father also being college educated was definitely an inspiration to her. Being educated in a homeschool co-op also helped her realise her love of teaching.

Rory - Rory is currently at a local university getting a law degree (for my game i'm using a mix of education systems, incase you get confused) and is currently enjoying it. He initially wanted to join the police force like his uncle and cousin, but decided on enrolling in university instead. His parent's are encouraging him down the political route, but with a law degree he can do anything.

Ruby Rae - She's currently in nursing school and is enjoying learning the curriculum. In my head she's always been that character that I'd send off to nursing school, especially with her uncle marrying a nurse, it just felt meant to be for her character. I initially envisioned one of allan and casandra's girls maybe going to nursing school too, but in the end it didn't pan out.

The only ones I can say are definitely attending college in some form are James Lee (Fletcher), Matthew and Archie (Grayson). They'll be like their parents and go to fairly conservative universities and go on to live your average fundie-lite conservative life.

Children

CW: There will be mentions of pregnancy, problems with getting and staying pregnant, pregnancy loss, and infertility of various kinds.

Fundies think of children as gifts from God, with many taking that ideology and running with it, usually ending up with children in the double digits if their fertility agrees with it. The notion of being 'quiverfull' implies that a couple don't use any methods of contraception, with the idea that if God wants them to have a child then they will conceive and birth one. 6 couples of the 2nd generation (Allan to Elaine, then Grayson) were all open to whatever kids the Lord would give them, and they ended up with a variety of children - one couple having 13 and another having just 2. Life throws various curveballs, or as they say "the Lord works in mysterious ways", so there can be many plans that don't work out - let's not forget that people's fertility isn't always textbook. Casandra had 2 miscarriages that I didn't plan in game, the mod I have gets triggered by certain conditions and the alert was a surprise to me. I don't roll for pregnancy losses, unless difficulties getting and/or staying pregnant are part of that character's story for whatever reason e.g. Madelynn, Stacie, etc.

Out of the 21 married couples, only 4 don't have children: Abbey & Adam, Beckett & Mandy, James & Emma, and the newlyweds Parker and Lana.

Abbey and Adam - They're not quiverfull so they've got a timeline for when they'll have children, but they definitely want them.

Beckett and Mandy - They've been married for around 4 years and have not yet had children, they're marked as a quiverfull couple so they're not preventing pregnancy, there's just no children as of yet. Honestly speaking, I haven't thought that far about the ways that children appear in their storyline but I have 3-4 options about where things could go.

James and Emma - These two are in the same boat as Beckett and Mandy in terms of their views on children, they want them but haven't 'been blessed' with them yet. In the actual game they're side characters, so I let the 'Neighbourhood Stories' take over their story unless I see it necessary to intervene.

Parker and Lana - They're newlyweds, so there could be a pregnancy announcement from them any day now. Though I have taken real life parameters into consideration with how fast a couple does conceive, since in real life it can take the average 'healthy' couple up to a year to get pregnant. So you'll just have to wait and see when Lana will be posting a sonogram 😂

Of the 17 couples that have children, they have birthed a whopping 50 children that make up the ever growing 4th generation. There are currently only 2 pregnant women that are gestating 3 children, which is I think the lowest to ever happen by holiday season. The speed at which they have children has definitely sped up the more couples get married. When Adalynn got married in 2010, she had cousins still being born, so for the first five years (2010 - 2015) the 10 grandchildren that were born came from her, Barrett, and Valentina (let's not forget that Kyleigh had triplets then twins back to back, so she went from zero to five children in 3 years)

The 10 children born in the 4 years after that are from Adalynn, Barrett, Carter, Valentina, and Brittany. The next 3 years (2020-2023; i use years to count so i don't get lost, but I make it a point not to mention years in the posts cause that adds opportunities for confusion 😂) were a wedding and baby boom, bringing us to the present day. 2020 had 5 couples marry and birth four children, 2021 holds the record for the most weddings and the most children born: 7 couples married and there were 12 children born. 2023 isn't finished in the game, but so far there has been 1 couple married with another set to marry at the end of the year. So far in 2023 there have been 5 children born, and the pregnancies that are in game aren't set to give birth this year so that's the number for that year.

With all these births happening in waves essentially, how fast are these sims multiplying? In true duggardata fashion I've got the intervals ready for you:

Adalynn & Mason - 9 children in 13 years of marriage: 7 singletons and 1 pair of twins, 8 boys and 1 girl.

Skills

Fundies are known to have their kids learn a skills, usually in the form of musical instruments. From my own childhood as well as research I've gathered via many hours of watching and reading, a musical instrument is the best thing to learn as the 'easiest' way to glorify God is through music. Music plays an important role in worship services, and so having children that can play instruments well allows for them to 'be of use' for worship; families also capitalise on said talent and travel around playing music as a ministry.

The skillset of the 2nd generation does play a role into how their children ended up:

Allan worked as a carpenter (and by carpenter i mean he reached level 10 of the woodworking skill and would just make things to sell) whilst being a Pastor, before retiring and working as a Pastor fulltime. He didn't learn how to play an instrument as he was focused on learning a skill that would help provide for a family.

Branden found his skills in writing, he worked as a writer in the writer field and wrote books that now provide him with royalties, like his brother, he wasn't enrolled in music lessons as his parents had other priorities set for him.

Claire was enrolled in music lessons and found she had a real skills for playing the piano as well as writing music, her mother also had her and her sisters learn homemaking skills such as gardening, cooking, balancing a checkbook and how to run a household. Claire put being a wife and mother first, but also continues to use her skills to minister for the Lord. She's become well known for her performance as well as her hymnal music arrangements (think Kim Collingsworth-esque vibe) and also teaches music as various music camps from time to time.

Danielle learnt how to play the violin as well as learning how to be a homemaker, and as she got married later in life she was the person who stepped in to run the house after her mother passed. She uses her skills whenever asked, like playing at church or at various worship events, but she's mainly focused on gardening and baking.

Elaine learnt how to play the piano and used to play at church and various events, but found her joy was in teaching. She took over homeschooling her younger siblings and went on to earn her teaching qualifications.

Fletcher was taught the piano by his older sisters, but lessons weren't pushed on him by his parents. He went on to focus on fitness and joined the police force after finishing highschool.

Grayson was more book focused and didn't learn an instrument, similar to Elaine he focused more on books and studying and ended up going to medical school.

Harley is the youngest girl and learnt how to play the guitar as a girl, as she was the youngest she didn't have to perform as often as the older siblings did. She went on to get a degree in Fine Arts and now works as the editor in chief at San Myshuno's biggest fashion magasine.

It's easiest to display the information based on the sibling order from gen 2, so here's the list of the various skillsets of the 3rd generation:

A -

Casandra being your typical conservative fundie woman, made sure that all the kids got music lessons, whatever she couldn't teach herself she found someone to teach them. Piano: Since Casandra plays the piano she taught the kids until they were in their teens, then if they chose to continue they could get lessons with Claira. Adalynn, Macie, Zoe, Beckett, Charles and Ashton chose to learn the piano and so far Zoe is the only one who has taken that and made it a career of sorts like her aunt Claire. Violin: Macie also chose to learn violin, with Amira, Priscilla, and Annette also learning the violin. Guitar: The boys mostly chose to learn the guitar, Barrett, Reece, and Parker all chose the guitar, with Maggie being the only girl to choose to learn the guitar. Of the 13 kids to learn a musical instrument, only Zoe has taken it and made it something that monetarily supports her.

B -

Lea learned how to play piano growing up, and enrolled all three of her children in piano lessons. Abbey, Brittany, and Tanner all had piano lessons until they were in their teens and focused on different extracurricular activities once they joined the private christian school.

C -

Claire made sure all her children know an instrument, the four girls (Valentina, Celeste, Kristyn, Sabrina) all know both the piano and the violin, with the 6 boys all learning piano and Carter and Alan also learning how to play the guitar. There were many suggestions of them starting a family band, but Claire and Ryan didn't feel that the Lord was leading them in that direction.

D -

Both James and Emma have learnt to play the piano, James' wife Emma can play the piano, violin, and the flute and has her degree (from a biblical college) in music with a focus on worship music.

E -

Elaine put all the kids into either piano or violin lessons, Kyra did lessons in both until she was a teenager, Rory did piano until he was a teenager, Ruby Rae did violin lessons and still plays at church, Ava Grace continues to play Piano, and Amelia still does violin lessons.

F -

Fletcher and Cara put their son into organised sports, so no music lessons this side.

G -

Keira wanted her boys to have some musical knowledge, so Matthew does guitar lessons and Archie does piano lessons.

That's all I've got for now, but as I was doing this I definitely found more things that I could write about in a few months. I hope you enjoy this!

#fundie sims #fundiesims #quiverfull sims #quiver full sims #collins family #collins legacy #sims 4 legacy #modest sims #homeschool sims #gen 3 #deep dive #analysis #character analysis #post #this was definitely something that started small and next thing i know i've written SECTIONS #i truly had to stop myself because this was was already too much #gen 3 misc #i had to ro RESEARCH on some of the things i was saying cause i had forgotten my damn self

[goatbeard-goatbeard]

Crowley’s experience is pretty relatable because sometimes you leave heaven but your environment is so shaped by heaven that they don’t know any other way to do things. Their concept of justice is still fixated on punishing sin; the best utopia they can imagine is only one step above a pool of boiling sulfur (could be worse!). They still have a protestant work ethic, somehow, but they don’t call it that so it takes you even longer to realize they hung onto it. They’re still really weird about bodies.

At least in heaven you could draw a clear line back to the rule you were following — even if the rule itself was bullshit. But now, the ghosts of heaven shamble on, building all the same structures even after throwing out the beliefs underpinning them. Your neighbors are culturally conservative out of force of habit, utterly unable to explain why, but certain it must be for some good reason (they forgot which bits came from heaven). Everyone laughs at those strange, pious enclaves way over there, relics of a bygone era. But they haven’t even left the damn office building.

I imagine, hypothetically, that might be hell.

#luckily this does eventually work itself out #the demons just need more earth time #maybe Shax will open things up a bit? #good omens #good omens 2 #good omens spoilers #good omens 2 spoilers #to the world #good omens meta #good omens analysis #exvangelical #ex christian #ex fundie

[appleflavoredkitkats]

no guys, you don't understand me. c!fundy, a fox, revered c!schlatt, a sheep. a typical predator and its prey. but it's a misconception that sheep are foxes' main source of food, that title goes to chickens. foxes only eat sheep as a last resort, if it's the only animal available. and then you remember that a famine plagued manberg. that fundy was the last cabinet member to betray schlatt. that fundy's spy diary was the basis of pogtopia's motivation to revolt and. yeah, foxes, sheep, and last resorts.

#mcyt #dream smp #fundy #jschlatt #dream smp analysis

[cmyknoise]

So.

Fundy’s done what Wilbur did to him.

Wilbur had an assisted suicide in front of everyone he loved, including Fundy. Fundy couldn’t seem to understand why he’d done it, much like most kids wont seem to understand such a thing.

In a parallel, Fundy jumped from a bridge in front of Wilbur to his death (it can be debated on which canon life it was or how permanent it is, this is not about that). This, effectively, puts Wilbur through the sort of situation Fundy had been through.

Something where he was helpless to help, and unable to understand why this happened. (Depending on shether this WAS his last canon life, it also continues the cycle with Fundy leaving Yogurt.)

Fundy is/was 22. He was sad and lonely and depressed snd viewed the world as out to get him.

Wilbur was 24. He was sad and lonely and depressed and viewed the world as out to get him.

Wilbur said just before Fundy had gone close to the edge, ’you’re going down a dark path’.

It was a path he recognized. It was the same one he went down. Loneliness, isolation, paranoia, depression, his own spiral lead to the same end.

He was too late.

It was a parallel, and Wilbur was powerless to stop it.

However; before people start with this or start saying it. Wilbur is in no way responsible for Fundy’s death. He’s no more responsible for Fundy’ death than Fundy was for Wilbur’s.

It’s a tragedy and a literary parallel.

#dsmp #dream smp #wilbur soot #fundy #fundylive #analysis #cw suicide #lemon’s stuff

[simplepotatofarmer]

what c!fundy said to c!wilbur was undoubtedly hard for wilbur to hear and i think that's valid. i think it's fair to feel pain and all sorts of things when a child tells a parent that they've failed.

but it reminds me of a quote from 'the haunting of hill house'.

if you're a parent, that's part of it. watching and hearing the hardest parts. i think that c!phil knows that as well. credit to c!wilbur for not turning away.

and i just hope that c!fundy was finally able to feel heard and seen.

#loyal talks about stuff and things #dsmp analysis #kinda #dsmp lore #dream smp #c!fundy #c!wilbur

[conarcoin]

some dream smp characters and the jungian archetypes i think fit them (not everyone bc my brain isn't large enough for that)

dream: the ruler. duh. don't think this one needs to be explained.

bbh: the rebel. i honestly struggled a lot with bbh here? however, i think his warmongering attitude with the badlands pre-egg makes it clear when i think about it

tommy: the hero. another obvious one, i think.

fundy: the explorer. i'd call him an almost textbook case, at that.

wilbur: either the magician or the ruler, i can't for the life of me settle on which one, but i'm leaning towards the latter.

schlatt: the magician. many people would probably say ruler, but i honestly think he's more magician-aligned. "i can make things happen" is peak schlatt, moreso than "power is everything".

eret: the caregiver. at the end of the day, eret just wants everyone to be safe, happy, and loved.

quackity: the lover, with some elements of the magician. i think quackity is a very relationship-driven character before all else.

techno: the rebel. easiest one.

connor: the everyman. another textbook example, except i think he also has explorer elements? connor wants a place to belong, and generally tends to believe that anyone can be good.

slime: the sage. is this a hot take? i feel like a lot of people would class him as the innocent or the jester but i don't really think those fit. dunno.

#my meta posts #dream smp #dsmp analysis #badboyhalo #tommyinnit #fundy #wilbur soot #jschlatt #eret #quackity #technoblade #connoreatspants #slimecicle