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corruptimles · 3 months
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Gaster Escape Attempt #26: Letter to Santa
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badmusejail · 4 months
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@null-siren
Over the years, Gaster had witnessed plenty of others that bore the same name. Some he had actually engaged with. Others he simply watched, judging from a distance. Most were of the unsavory type, a few rather pleasant.
Worst, he felt, were those that dwelled fully in the VOID, those fragmented, lost SOULs that had nowhere else to go, fueled only by emptiness and a scathing desire to be whole again.
(NO MATTER THE MEANS.)
a fate he had barely escaped.
He was used to them. Dancing just out of sight; on the precipice of reality; stalking and laughing, inching onto his territory, egging a reaction. (because they must because they MUST because they must feed on the emotions of others they must fill that emptiness.)
Gaster had found it best to ignore them.
After they realized he would not engage with them, that there was no amusement to be had, they left of their own accord, to find a new victim that could perceive them, to drive some other poor SOUL to the brink of insanity.
USUALLY.
Ignore it. Ignore it. Ignore it.
And he did for a while, regardless of how his instincts screamed at him, how something brushed against the fragments of his being, how something just didn't seem quite right when his back was turned. He ignored it, with grimaces and twitches and noiseless growls directed at nothing.
NO MORE.
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"What do you want?"
He did not ask, he demanded, fiery, mouth quirked into a snarl as he whirled to face nothing. But he knew better. He stretched his senses, called to the VOID, sent a message.
I know you're there don't play with me this is my world.
(because he must. because if his attempt at intimidation failed, -- WHAT THEN?)
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popatochisssp · 6 months
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OMG all the new boys are fascinating but ummm Swapfell Fruition especially?? Sounds so good?? I would love a full lore dump on this concept, I love the idea of Vi playing the long con to get rid of Gaster and it all sounds so good. Incidentally I need to read Dirty Laundry again lol, everything you make with regards to any version of Swapfell is just *chef's kiss*
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Swapfell Fruition
A young Sans’ attempt to kill his creator, the Royal Scientist is a failure.
Gaster survives the scuffle that would’ve toppled him off of the CORE’s scaffolding and gains the upper hand, subduing his traitorous creation and forcing him—and the younger one he’d been trying to escape with—back to his labs.
Sans was reckless, tipped his hand too soon and without the luck to have succeeded on the first attempt, Gaster learns that he is a sneaky little backstabber, capable of appearing obedient but hiding ruthless intentions.
He's almost proud… but of course he can't have that.
It becomes clear to the Royal Scientist that obviously, he needs his creations to have some kind of failsafe. The little one hasn't shown any signs of disobedience yet, but his primary caretaker is a crafty little snake, no telling what he could influence him to do, if given the time or the chance—so it’s back to the drawing board, to the operating table with them both.
Papyrus, at his age, doesn't really know what happens to him, only that whatever was done to him hurt, a lot. He wakes up after in the room he’d shared with his brother, scared and hurting and alone, and when Sans finally reappears, he goes to him for a hug.
Except…
Sans doesn’t hug him back.
He doesn’t hug back, and he doesn’t say anything, no matter how much Papyrus begs him to…
And the next time Gaster summons them to the lab, it’s Sans who picks him up and keeps him from squirming away, holding his arm out for Gaster’s needles.
Papyrus doesn’t understand the betrayal, at the time or in the years that follow.
His hurt turns to bitterness and resentment as his once gentle and protective big brother starts to actively help their creator change him, gradually shaping him into a stronger, more efficient killer.
But even with all the modification and training he’s subjected to, Papyrus isn’t quite the solider or war machine Gaster had planned he would be—he spooks when caught by surprise, he’s easily distracted by irrelevant things, his loyalties twist and sway far too easily for Gaster’s liking…
Well, the Royal Scientist is nothing if not resourceful, certainly able to work with…limited materials and still produce something of use.
With the right mental conditioning, and the right handler to make use of it, Papyrus will still be a valuable asset for the Empress.
After all, there’s always political enemies to the crown that her highness would surely prefer to have…removed, discreetly, and other such dirty work best done in the shadows.
Fast and stealthy, like an assassin, seems more suited to Papyrus’ abilities anyway.
And as for a handler, who better than Sans to fill the role?
Gaster’s prototype was largely a failure, but certainly intelligent and organized, presumably capable of researching and observing targets, briefing the asset on situations and targets and memorizing the trigger words and phrases necessary to keep him operating at peak efficiency.
Sans doesn’t protest.
He doesn’t protest much of anything anymore, not since…
………
Well, it’s not like he’s ever spoken about what happened when everything changed, not even to Papyrus, so when he goes along with this too, neither Gaster nor Papyrus expects otherwise.
So, that’s how it is.
Papyrus becomes the perfect assassin and Sans doles out his marching orders, occasionally following behind on missions to jerk his leash and keep him on track.
Between them, it’s…complicated.
Sans is still Papyrus’ brother, the closest thing to an ally that Papyrus has, both of them stuck in service to a power-hungry, unethical prick.
There are moments where they’re okay, times where a joke will slip out and one of them will laugh, injuries tended to, backs watched under fire, and dozens more little things that just wouldn’t happen if they were nothing to each other.
But the moments never last long.
Reality always comes back in sooner or later—usually in the form of Gaster, demanding an update or issuing new orders or calling them back from the field, to which Sans always, always complies.
Papyrus takes it as a reminder of where Sans’ real loyalties must lie.
He’s some kind of brother, not always awful, and maybe he does care about Papyrus, a little bit, but he answers to Gaster above anything or anyone else, apparently by choice.
He can’t be trusted, not really.
And Sans…
Sans stays quiet and does his job.
Quickly, efficiently, and to the letter—exemplary service, always.
Irreproachable.
He’s almost completely beneath suspicion by the time the last human falls into the Underground.
Gaster couldn’t be more thrilled.
This is a golden opportunity, the perfect chance to prove his worth to the Empress and earn clout and accolades innumerable—to be the one responsible for capturing the seventh soul and freeing all of monsterkind from their centuries of imprisonment and allowing the war against humanity to finally begin!
Well, technically, it would be his creations doing it, but it’s his name that history will remember, him who would rise into legend as the most brilliant and ruthless monster to ever live, the catalyst in humanity’s downfall.
He doesn’t waste so much as a minute before summoning Sans and ordering him to handle it, immediately.
Meet with the Empress, alert her that there’s a human loose in the Underground, and offer her the services of the asset in ending their free roam.
Sans agrees, as he always has, and goes to fetch his brother for the job.
Papyrus is admittedly a little blindsided when not two seconds out of the labs, Sans pulls him aside, out of range of known cameras and recording devices and hisses at him to listen.
He doesn’t know what to make of what Sans says after, either—that he hasn’t earned it and he knows that, but he needs Papyrus to trust him right now, because he is going to lie and everything depends on Papyrus going along with it.
In spite of their messy history and every uncharitable thing Papyrus has ever thought about Sans…right here and now, something in his gut tells him this is no trick.
He agrees to ‘go along with it’…whatever ‘it’ is.
Sans waits until a certain amount of time has elapsed, and then he makes a call to Gaster with Papyrus present to listen.
Gaster is informed that there’s a problem with the latest target. The asset’s programming isn’t taking and he’s refusing to track down the human.
This is, of course, news to Papyrus, who hasn’t been assigned his target yet.
But…Sans said ‘trust me’ and ‘play along,’ so that’s what he does, complaining that he doesn’t want to kill a child, just put him back in his cage and do your own dirty work, old man…
Helpfully—always helpful, always intelligent, always reliable—Sans postulates a conflict of orders might be causing the programming to bug like this. Gaster’s overarching orders are for the asset to kill targets assigned to him, but the Empress has unfortunately countermanded that the human must be brought to her alive.
And again, Papyrus knows differently because the Empress hasn’t given him any orders, they never made it to her for orders to be given and Toriel likely doesn’t even know yet that a human has fallen.
But he said he’d go along with the lie so he keeps his mouth shut, even as he hears Gaster curse on the other end of the line.
Gaster finds Sans’ assessment of the situation as reasonable as it is frustrating, but minds are complicated machines and often behave strangely when conflicts arise. Just look at the Empress, who knows that humans must be killed to free her people, but feels she must perform the act herself instead of the far more convenient option being presented to her!
The asset’s orders being in conflict is a far more annoying stopping block, though, yet another barrier in the way of all the glory that Gaster has so painstakingly earned.
Time is short, stakes are high, he refuses to recall his creation just to debug it and resolve the glitch, not now.
Instead he makes his fatal mistake.
He overrides the asset’s failsafes.
All of them.
Impatiently rattling off a code that nearly makes Papyrus stagger from a feeling like weight being lifted, Gaster disconnects the call with a sharp command to Sans to ‘handle it,’ now that there were no restrictions on his targets or what he could be ordered to do.
Sans is only quiet for a moment before handing a picture to Papyrus, locking him on and beginning the usual debrief.
Papyrus can’t fully grasp what he’s looking at, not at first.
“………confirm target?”
“WINDINGS GASTER, THE CURRENT ROYAL SCIENTIST TO THE CROWN.”
As with any briefing, Papyrus must be informed of his target’s connections, abilities and assets.
Gaster has strong ties with the crown, and between that and his own paranoia, security around him will be tight. He’s intelligent, strong, and merciless, and he won’t hesitate to make use of anything at his disposal in a life-or-death situation.
As an example, he had implanted a condition into his private assassin’s mental programming that would prevent him from acting against or outright attacking him—so it’s fortunate they’ve already cleared that concern.
Now, the top priorities are to ensure that Sans is physically far away from Gaster when the mission is executed, and that Papyrus is at no point seen by Gaster before he’s dead. The entire operation could be sunk if both of these conditions aren’t met.
“why?”
“THERE’S AN ADDITIONAL FAILSAFE, IMPLANTED IN YOUR SOUL. IF GASTER REALIZES YOU’VE BEEN TURNED ON HIM BEFORE YOU’VE SUCCEEDED, HE CAN INSTANTLY DROP YOUR HP TO 1.”
“………and why am i doing this without my handler?”
“BECAUSE I’M COMPROMISED TOO. IF HE SEES ME OUT OF PLACE OR SUSPECTS I’VE BETRAYED HIM AGAIN, HE’LL USE THE FAILSAFE IN MY SOUL TO REMOTELY CONTROL MY BODY AND MOBILIZE ME AGAINST YOU—AND OF COURSE, AT THAT POINT, HE WOULD KNOW THAT YOU’RE TARGETING HIM AS WELL AND BE PREPARED TO KILL YOU.”
And that…
Well.
That sure is a hell of a lot of new information that Papyrus will have to process later, when there’s not a strong compulsion in the back of his skull that there is someone he needs to kill.
He’s a professional, when he’s working.
He will focus on the mission.
To keep up appearances, Sans departs to find the fallen human and trail them on their journey through the Underground. He very much wants to ensure they reach the Empress safely, but there’s an added bonus of being exactly where he’s supposed to be and doing exactly what he’s supposed to do should Gaster check in on him—no need to arouse any suspicion, not before it’s far too late.
In the end, when Chara has befriended monsterkind against all odds, winning over the Empress herself and freeing them all to a life of peace with humankind on the surface, the death of the Royal Scientist is an incidental discovery.
Sans takes responsibility for it, pleading for the Empress’s mercy.
Gaster had wanted the human—kind young Chara, to whom Toriel has taken such a liking—killed immediately as soon as they emerged from the Ruins, and he hadn’t thought that the Empress would condone such an order in light of what she’s always held to regarding fallen humans.
Gaster had been adamant, though, and Sans… Well, he only wanted to serve the will of her highness and to do so, he turned the asset against their master. He hopes only for some leniency for what he’s done, Gaster may have been their father but—
Strangely enough, it seems Toriel had no idea that the asset and his handler were the Royal Scientist’s children. He’d always told her they were employees, volunteers for the things that were done to them and the missions they were told to undertake.
Learning that they had actually been created, intentionally molded and pressed into these roles without a choice in the matter…
Toriel, an Empress first but a mother a very close second, can certainly afford leniency.
The brothers are let loose in spite of their crime, with a bit of funding from the Empress to get on their feet after everything. The money is partially back-pay for their joint service as the crown’s black ops division (for which they were never actually compensated before), and partially amends for how long their…circumstance…went unnoticed.
Sans offers to split the money and part ways with Papyrus, if he’d prefer.
But Papyrus has learned a lot in the past few days to…completely and utterly recontextualize everything he ever thought was true about his handl—…his brother, and…maybe he should stick around a bit. See what’s what.
Vi (Swapfell Fruition Sans)
Extremely restrained and closed off from so many years of being unable to talk to or trust anyone, not even his brother. An accomplished liar but socially unpracticed, tending to read as cold and unfriendly to those who approach him. He’s more awkward than genuinely hostile, though
Issues with being watched, spent most of his life simultaneously going unnoticed and being intensely over-monitored so his feelings about being observed—regardless of context—are complicated, runs hot and cold on it
Complicated feelings for his brother, too: he loves him, of course, and he failed him in many ways, but he was also stuck between him and Gaster for a long time and caught his fair share of hell from both sides and there’s some resentment there for that. He wants to fix things, but he’s not really sure how and just…awkwardly trying his best
Well-organized and skilled at research and thinking analytically, tends to approach most things with a problem-solving attitude and an eye-socket for detail. Extremely talented at finding loopholes and ways around or through the rules—though his respect for said rules is very low to begin with
Likes high and secluded places, mostly rooftops but anywhere it could be difficult for other people to get to. Whether or not those places are restricted by fencing or padlocks or lack of ladders is immaterial, if he finds a high spot he would like to be, he will get to it one way or another and perch as long as he pleases
Hunter (Swapfell Fruition Papyrus)
Impulsive and driven by self-interest, the years of mental conditioning have broken down his fears and inhibitions to nearly nothing. He does what he wants, when he wants, with little concern for anything else—a dog off its leash who’ll only heel when it’s good and ready to. Unfortunately charming enough to mostly get away with it
Problems with authority, for obvious reasons. Likely to try to bend or break any rule presented to him, just to see if he can, and a severe lack of respect for anyone trying to enforce those rules upon him (especially the arbitrary ones)
Conflicting and highly jumbled feelings for his brother, making them a matched set: he disliked him, maybe even hated him a little for a long time, for helping Gaster turn him into what he is and for being the one to yank his leash and pull his strings…but that was before he knew that he had a kill-switch in his soul and that his brother was up on strings on his own, being pulled by the jackass they both apparently hated… It doesn’t erase everything that happened, knowing that, but it does…change things. (He wants to fix things too, but he’s not sure how either, so they’re both just awkwardly trying)
Needs ‘tune-ups’ every so often to reinforce his mental conditioning and make sure all his programming is intact, even now that Gaster’s gone and he’s retired as an assassin. Going too long without re-upping it causes deterioration, compulsions ‘leaking’ without being triggered and causing headaches and erratic, sometimes violent behavior so…best for everyone to keep his head maintained regularly
Absolutely loves nature and wilderness, hiking, camping, and climbing trees is his idea of an excellent time. Could absolutely go off on a run and disappear into the trees and not be seen or heard from for a week, likely to get some forest-cryptid lore started about him—possibly on purpose
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lynxgriffin · 6 months
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Your comment before on Toriel just being ignorant about her children's mental health in many universes struck me. Her and Asgore really are from a different time and that's not necessarily their fault. They haven't really had to deal with serious mental issues before. Another comic Gasters Escape had Muffet force the issue on the two to get Kris into counseling and therapy after a seemingly attempted suicide.
Yeah, part of it is just that she's of a very different generation, and she is doing the best she can! Toriel's very set on being a good mother, and believes that being kind, understanding, attentive and soft-spoken are what's necessary for properly raising kids. And while those are all necessary aspects, neurodivergent kids or kids with other sorts of unique needs often require more than that, and she just doesn't know how to deal with that part. She works so hard on the kindness and attentiveness and 'being a good mother' part, and then doesn't understand why it doesn't seem to be enough for the human children she adopts. It's got to weigh on her a lot!
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sn0wgr4ve · 8 months
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* DELTARUNE MAIN THEORIES (In order of probability? Maybe?)
1. BERDLY will be completely unimportant, and SNOWGRAVE will happen no matter what.
* this is simply due to the fact that snowgrave exists at all. toby fox has stated repeatedly that our choices don’t matter, and that the ending will stay the same. he’s also said that what happens within the story may be more important than the ending itself. both things combined and berdly’s arm being fried in a main route “ending” makes me believe that he’s simply gonna be killed off, whether we make noelle do it or if someone else does it for us
2. DELTARUNE is both a prequel and a sequel.
* i’m still not sure is prequel/sequel are the right words? deltarune definitely isn’t a direct beginning/sequel story to undertale. however, i firmly believe that it’s the prequel to sans and papyrus’s stories, both as brothers and as their own people.
* as for the “both” part, i believe that gaster took us and our/frisk’s soul from post-pacifist, and travelled us to the past, deltarune. i believe that his goal is not to harm others, but to help us create a better end for the deltarune universe and a better future for sans and papyrus. this one is very complicated, but it’s based off the fact that gaster was shattered across time and space, and that twitter! gaster said that he looks forward to “creating a new future” with us
3. KNIGHT PAPYRUS
* this is a HUUUGE theory, and i made multiple branches of it to cover every basis, both close to canon and far from it, so i’m gonna order them from how much i like them!!
— PAPYRUS stumbled into a dark world after GASTER’s passing (and thus, after his darkness related experiments), and was convinced by a fragment of GASTER to become THE KNIGHT for THE LIGHTENERS’s sakes.
* simply explained, undertale papyrus has a huge desperation to help everyone he can. i believe that especially after the passing of a likely loved one, papyrus would be easily manipulated into doing things to make others feel better
— PAPYRUS became THE KNIGHT in an attempt to cope with life through escapism, and to help THE LIGHTENERS escape their own issues as well.
* it’s clear that the main teen lighteners of deltarune have a ton of issues. kris and susie both have issues with their home lives, with toriel being semi-neglectful and kris being isolated from asgore due to toriel’s hatred of him, and with susie likely being homeless, or at the very least, very poor. noelle has a missing sister that could very well be dead, an ill father, and an extremely strict mother that she’s home alone with thanks to her dad being sick. berdly has major self esteem issues due to not being noticed much as a child until he won a spelling bee. due to how little we know about papyrus and his past, other than the fact that he was confirmed t be from the deltarune universe (green grass), i believe that papyrus could very well have used a power he found to create worlds of paradise for himself and the others.
— Either SANS, PAPYRUS, or both, are partially DARKENERS, and are using the threat of THE ROARING to find a way to exist in the LIGHT WORLD.
* this is a far fetched one, but it’s one i really enjoy. they both have major connections to darkeners already. sans is a lot like the spade family, he can teleport like rouxls and lancer, and papyrus says his room is like “another world”, which has a ton of darkness at the beginning. papyrus has major ties to jevil. not sure how to explain it other than that ralsei could very well be wrong about the roaring
— PAPYRUS being THE KNIGHT relates to GASTER’s experiments with darkness/DARK WORLDS.
* this one spiraled into a genuine theory due to a story i was writing about sans and papyrus for an rp. basically, as seen with kris, the creation of dark fountains is a disruption yet harmonization of light and dark. if sans is half lightener, and if papyrus is half darkener, then their similarities yet differences could prove as dark fountain symbolism
— PAPYRUS is GASTER, and he experimented with DARK WORLDS.
* papyrus has the most connections to gaster out of everyone, to the point of being referenced in one of two times his name is mentioned (smiling shred). most fun value events also happen in the two areas papyrus says he’s familiar with, snowdin and waterfall. he also shows a strange sadness when he sees the core in a phone call. i guess a tldr for this is that he made himself a villain, but decided to move on, fake his death, and try to forget he was ever “gaster”. papyrus seems obsessed with redemption, to the point where both snowdin xbox achievements reference a bible story about redemption, so this could be likely.
(i combined two theories into one)
3.5. SANS X JEVIL?
* i’m extremely biased towards this ship, but i can’t help but feel like that if knight papyrus is canon, sans and jevil will end up getting together due to how similar they are. extremely powerful, aware of everything being a game, nihilistic, comedians, round in body shape and head, an association with yellow… it makes sense i swear
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kozykricket · 8 months
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Some less-lore-oriented Gaster Thoughts(TM)
y'know, i don't imagine this is anything New per se, especially in terms of like. theorycrafting for lore, but. for a perspective of looking at undertale through a literary lens, maybe it is you ever think about the parallels between gaster and toby himself? I mean, both use the official undertale twitter, and... gaster is like, this super powerful plot device used to explain certain things. it feels like in a way, gaster is tobys real self insert. ive even heard rumors that his easter eggs were added as a way to make sans powerful and make that make sense
but i've been thinking about gasters fate, tobys history with UT/DR, and how it mirrors what dark fountains and dark worlds seem to be attempting to deconstruct, what they're literary metaphors for
For some reason, I remember always thinking that... "falling into his own creation" just. Literally meant he fell into either the core or... shoved himself in the DT extractor. But I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what that can mean. To fall into something can be to get absorbed in it in every facet of your life, to be thinking about it lots, or... just letting it take you over, in a way. To fall into ones own creation is to obsess over it. Was he obsessed in his research into... ah, we're getting into actual lore. Whoops Anyways, it would be odd for toby to have written this if you think about it as a parallel to the absolute success of undertale, since hes very humble and didn't expect a huge success... but when you think of it in the context of how much he, not a thriving community, was absolutely absorbed in his own creations? How he stopped the development of deltarune to make undertale? How hes still working on making that one dream he had years ago come true?
I think it pieces together as... quite poetic. I wouldn't say it was enough to make me believe it was intentional, though. When I piece that together with the brilliant theory that Andrew Cunningham posed in his video about determination in deltarune, though? Well, specifically that... deltarune is aiming to deconstruct our relationship to escapism, and that dark worlds are metaphors for creating fiction... Maybe gaster really was the first one to create a dark world, and. well. what happens when you go into a dark world? you fall into it. Perhaps gaster made himself more than just a simple dark world, but the entire world of deltarune, and thats why hes the... narrative god or whatever, at the beginning. Whether he made one or not, I cant say for certain. But I think I can say that toby may have made one, and thats one thing I'm curious to hear insight into after deltarune is all said and done. Was it always meant to be about a creators relationship to creations? about getting absorbed in fantasy? And how might this narrative have changed, as his own work became as loved and famous as it is? Only time will tell, won't it? Mr. brilliant White Dog ...
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analexthatexists · 1 month
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Undertale AU Ideas involving Alphys
Because not everything can be about Sans Undertale, right?
(I had so much fricking fun writing, these oh my god.)
TW: Suicide and other heavy topics
1. Reincarnation
Alphys kills themselves and is revived similarly as Flowey.
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This part of one of the Betrayed Undyne Endings stook with me for a bit. What would happen if she unsucessfully pulled it off and was brought back to life by Flowey or some other person? Perhaps even Undyne? They'd probably come back as maybe a robot or some sort of technological-based body.
And then like...Everything resets but Alphys stays the same and is basically now trapped in the role Flowey is. RESET after RESET trying to get back to their normal life and all of their friends, Alphys would realize that they can't go back and that this is their life now, going down a similar path as Asriel once did, but resorting to violence and hurting others far slower than Flowey did. Eventually they just become hopeless and go a bit crazy. Their goal however wouldn't be to become the GOD OF HYPERDEATH or TO STEAL YOUR SOUL or anything like that. They just want to be able to die and move on, maybe even reincarnate into a better life, just anything but THIS. And instead of teaching "It's KILL or BE KILLED", they teach "It's FIGHT or BE FOUGHT" (Less about hurting and killing people and more defending yourself from others), letting you learn how to fight and attack before how bullets and attacks work.
2. Destabilization
In an attempt to continue her plans in experimenting with DETERMINATION, Alphys chooses to inject herself with some of the substance over gathering fallen down monsters, only to eventually turn into an Amalgamate.
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I have a feeling this idea has already been done, but screw it. Yes, I'm aware it's similar to things like Alphys NEO and Alphys Takes Action but WHO THE HECK CARES!?
After a few trials, Alphys decides to push their research further and, seeing as they don't want to risk any lives (and basically stopping the Amalgamates from happening), decides to test the stuff on herself without permission from or telling Asgore. The idea was less about making SOULs persist and more about a monster becoming as strong if not stronger than a human, potentially being able to shatter or cross The Barrier if successful. She was already dealing with low self esteem anyways, thinking that if this did fail and she died, would anyone even miss her? It wasn't much a loss, which motivated her further to do this to herself, injecting a SMALL dose of DETERMINATION into herself with the help of some complex machinery. At first, it worked and she was fine, and she took down notes about herself and continued her studies mostly normally, but as time progressed and she grew more stressed, more determined to finish her work and more obsessed over doing this for everyone, her body began to deteriorate as the DETERMINATION began overwhelming her. Eventually she wasn't able to leave the True Lab and had to send out Mettaton, who was growing more and more concerned about the doctor's condition, to do stuff for her via text messages and other forms of communication. Eventually, she went totally silent all together, resulting in Mettaton and Undyne going into the True Lab to check on her, only to find she'd transformed into something monstrous and unrecognizable. A fate almost similar to Gaster, actually. Brilliant scientists being shattered mentally and physically to their own creations.
3. Recollection/Reformation
Alphys tries to save Undyne before she dies after the Undying battle, but fails horribly as the rest of the Underground falls, Undyne ultimately becoming an Amalgam.
While evacuating everyone in Hotland into the True Lab, Alphys sent Mettaton to Waterfall to ensure Undyne escaped the battle alive if all went to Hell. Mettaton was able to stop the Human from landing the fatal blow and escorted Undyne out of the area, much to Undyne's disliking. They wanted to FINISH THE HUMAN, not RUN FROM THEM! Mettaton brought them back to the True Lab with Alphys, who recognized Undyne was moments away from melting and dusting away. The human had not landed the blow that would kill them instantly, but their health was slowly draining and the DETERMINATION was wearing off. In a state of panic, Alphys decided to simply inject MORE DETERMINATION into Undyne in hopes that would stabilize things. After all, Undyne had been pretty stable up until now when it came to having DETERMINATION. It should be fine, right?
It was not fine.
After injecting Undyne with more DETERMINATION, Alphys left the room for a second to reassure herself and find some things to help bandage Undyne up or ease their pain. When they came back, Undyne had vanished. She heard monsters from the hallways screaming and roaring, and quickly realized that, not only had Undyne transformed into an Amalgamate, but was actively getting into fights with the other Amalgams, who weren't happy about this newcomer's sudden arrival. Alphys was unable to stop any of it, and had to bare to the Amalgamates sloshing around and trying to eat each other alive, which then resulted in ALL OF THEM FUSING TOGETHER, Undyne having most control over the newly formed "monster" while the other, more scattered brains took a backseat. Alphys, both mortified and thankful to see Undyne in this state, was a tad bit more relieved to find that Undyne had actually kept most of her mental state and would in fact be staying alive. However, the issues popped up when it came to monitoring this giant amalgamate and breaking the news to everyone else in the area.
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4. Fragmentation
Alphys tries to off themself in a different way, choosing to dive into The Core hoping to plummet to their death. However, they end up shattering themself through time and space like Gaster presumably did.
I don't have much of a story or idea of what could happen from here, perhaps Alphys meeting Gaster or taking their place. You could do a lot with that idea, but I'm not sure where to even begin.
5. Ascension
Flowey makes a big frick-up and turns Alphys into a God. It's similar to The Thought where Sans absorbs the 6 Human Souls, but it's with Alphys and the reasons are drastically different.
While preparing to extract the DETERMINATION from the 6 Human Souls in the True Lab, Alphys encounters Flowey, who politely asks her for the SOULs to become a GOD, else he'll kill Alphys and take them by force. However, Alphys refuses and tries to run off with the SOULs, to which Flowey is quick to stab her with vines. The SOUL containers fall to the floor, shattering and releasing the SOULs, which Flowey proceeds to begin absorbing. However, before he can, Alphys retaliates and absorbs them HERSELF.
Not too sure what could/would happen afterwards though.
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Hand in Unlovable Hand Chapter 1: Together, Then.
Summary: My AU of what happened after Fiona, Cake, and Simon zapped away from "evil Marceline"/The Star universe.
Warnings: graphic depictions of violence, attempted murder (for the whole fic: injury recovery, paralysis, manipulation, imprisonment, dubious consent, medical procedures.)
Thank you to @nebula-gaster for beta reading.
Read it on ao3: https://archiveofourown.org/works/50597539
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“Together, then.” Bonnie pressed her arm forward.
Her stake slipped millimetre by millimetre closer to The Star’s heart. The Star glanced down at it, then looked into her eye. Her hair flew around her face, short black strands dancing in the air as they continued falling. Her arm flexed, and Bonnie felt her movement stop. The Star had gotten plenty of powers as she rose through the ranks of vampires, but Bonnie had spent years strength training for this moment.
To her surprise, The Star smiled. Her fangs stuck out, her sharp teeth glistening in the low light.
“Together.” She let go of Bonnie’s shoulder, reaching up and touching her cheek. “Go ahead, show me what you can do.”
Even as she spoke, The Star squeezed her arm harder, trying to push her back. Bonnie’s skin was slick with sweat, and her nails dug in as she tried to get a grip. Bonnie just pushed back, twisting her wrist as she tried to escape.
Her hand slipped forward. The tip of the stake plunged into The Star’s chest, just above her heart. Black ichor flowed from the wound, running in small drops down the stake and over the back of her hand. As it streaked over her skin, Bonnie noted with detachment that the drop pattern was reminiscent of the patterns falling raindrops made as they slid across the windows of her tank. That made sense; the laws of physics always applied, especially when one was hurtling toward the ground at full speed.
The Star hissed, her bones cracking as her face changed. She twisted, pulling away from the stake in her chest. Bonnie followed, pulled in by the grip on her wrist. They continued falling, their bodies now horizontal, side by side, as if in a grave. Bonnie felt a moment of satisfaction; if this would be her doom, at least she had accomplished what she set out to do.
They hit the ground. There was a blow to her back so violent that it knocked everything out of her. There was no air in her chest; it felt like everything in her body had been cracked and broken. Pain burned like the hottest fire, as if the sun’s rays had been concentrated into her body.
Then, there was only darkness.
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Deltarune Is The Narrator Theory
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After rewatching Andrew Cunningham’s video on Deltarune’s narrator (https://youtu.be/vx3JfFuKGXM?feature=shared) and mollystars’s videos on the Device theory (https://youtu.be/bSyaeIUrznQ?feature=shared)(https://youtu.be/dbu5MfJ9V0c?feature=shared) I’ve made my own theory regarding the identity of Deltarune’s narrator.
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I believe Deltarune’s narrator is Deltarune.
There are two possibilities for Deltarune’s world:
1. It is a video game on a device which Gaster is connecting us to.
2. It is a world outside the device that the device connects us to
Both of these possibilities dont cancel out my theory.
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Gaster created this device to connect us to this world, and, given his connection to the legend(deltarune.com’s old him.png), bring about its prophecy. This explains the narrator’s incredibly vague phrasing. The device is programmed to carefully us down the path that will lead us to through the prophecy, concealing any information that isn’t entirely necessary for your progress. It also serves as a way to immerse you, a form of escapism, a “video game” if you will. This is why it seems to flip flop between being from the in-universe characters’ pov and being omniscient. This is, why no matter what actions you take, Deltarune and its chapters only ever have one “ending”. The device is only programmed to bring you to a single ending no matter how far you deviate from the intended path. It restricts your control of this world and forces you into carrying out the legend. In the same way that the game Deltarune is Toby’s way of reaching that dream he had back in 2011, the device is Gaster’s way of reaching the ending he desires, the legend of deltarune. Deltarune is a way to bring fiction into reality. https://preview.redd.it/7oqxhjesca471.png?auto=webp&s=77b165a7bbc63b60a3771317b2779f24e1e47b35
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This leads to two further theories:
1. The third entity inside Kris is the device, given that the device is the medium through which you even have control over them. This would explain why, at the end of the Weird Route, Kris would still create a Dark Fountain, given that the device needs to progress to chapter 3 no matter what changes in the world have been made.(i personally dont want there to be a third entity but i realized this halfway through writing and just thought I’d throw it in)
2. Ralsei serves as a manifestation of the device’s will. He serves as the in-universe vessel to carry out the legend exactly as it has been foretold. This is why he becomes angry with Berdly after he attempts to preemptively begin the Roaring. Outside the dark world, the device has no in-universe way of carrying out its will, as it has no “determination”. Inside the dark worlds, all inanimate objects gain the will to live, which would include the device. Ralsei is a darkner born from the device itself, which is why he can travel to any dark fountain, since all dark fountains in Deltarune exist within the device or are connected to it. In a way, Ralsei is the device’s “determination” to carry out its intended programming. (why this makes him look like asriel, i have no clue. maybe because the device is connected to Kris???) https://preview.redd.it/ralsei-was-hired-by-gaster-theory-v0-xucmxsxjbi2b1.png?width=540&format=png&auto=webp&s=ac0c6314f58f2c7f0023307e583f86de44773a95
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Now why Gaster wants to carry out the legend, I have no idea. Maybe he’s like the devil or something idk. Or maybe… GASTER WAS TOBY FOX THE ENTIRE TIME⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️
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Hope someone reads this. This is my first post on tumblr so maybe this theory will be forgotten, and then confirmed true in 2066 with deltarune chapter 7. Who knows. Thanks for reading.👍
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Can we get some info or trivia about Grimmtale
Considering even KM refuses to engage with them according to the Alphaverse page
Grimmtale must be interesting
GRIMMTALE
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A AU drowned in despair and torment. GrimmTale was created due to the absence of true horror in the Multiverse and it shows within it's world.
Humans lost the war, however their dead souls let out a horrible toxin called DT radiation. It melted the mind and detreated the senses while also adding in new ones too. Such as...
DT sense: Allows users to detect anyone who uses DT
DT aura: Being made out of pure DT, anyone close by someone with this Aura will find they're skin bubbling, rotting and straight up melting.
DT Resistance: You are resistant to the effects of being exposed to Raw DT.
Basic Monsters posses these three traits. The rarer ones, go to the leaders and main heads of the AU who have taken control over their own regions of the underground.
The corpses of the humans from the war began emitting high amounts of DT radiation making everywhere on the surface uninhabitable. However, a short few monsters decided to try their luck out there. One of the few being Asgore and W.D Gaster.
The reports of what happened to them are unknown, but the effects were supposedly catastrophic. Without a King and the Queen going into hiding after the events of the war itself, the underground was separated into different factions and groups. Groups are within Factions and Factions run the underground.
The Three main factions are the...
Grounders
Marksmen
and Spearheads.
Unfortunately, over the years the radiation would get worse and worse until no one down below had any idea what it meant to be humane. The Radiation got so bad, other universes were perishing nearby cause of it.
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Causing people to lose their minds, cannibalism, murder, trafficking and even assaulting other montsters. It didn't matter if it was friend, family or cousin. The Monsters of the underground had turned completely savage. This extends to of course Frisk or also know now as Freak. Who was made when Toriel had found the body of a mother and a human child who had both died falling down the hole into the underground. Toriel left the mother's body and in an attempt to save the child, fed them determination from the mother's body to revive them. Only for the effects of DT radiation to have a nasty effect.
Freak would devour Toriel and escape the ruins.
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Can you believe this is the first digital ref Codebreaker's gotten since i made them 7 years ago. Insane. Also I ran out of room on the ref to note it but when they get super stressed out their glitches get worse and they get marks on their face and hands like Gaster has.
(For simplicity's sake I'm just going to be referring to them as Codebreaker and by they/them throughout this bio, but Codebreaker and Frisk can be used interchangeably as their name, and while they prefer they/them any other pronoun works just fine too. Also this got really long, you have been warned.)
Codebreaker is an outcode who barely managed to escape their universe as it imploded due to corruption. They're selectively mute, primarily using asl to communicate, though they do carry notebooks in case they have to talk with someone who doesn't know sign. They're dorky, kind, compassionate, a bit of a bleeding heart at times, and of course incredibly determined. Since the death of their universe, they've been plagued with guilt and anxiety. Their's primary motivation and role within the multiverse is to maintain the integrity of corrupt timelines and, worst come to worst, figure out how to safely evacuate the residents before their universes collapse just like Codebreaker's did.
As for how their universe ended... after completing what we know as a true pacifist run, Codebreaker decided to take one last walk through the entire underground to make sure everyone knew the barrier was broken. Though, on their way through Waterfall, something changed - that eerily empty hall they'd passed through before now contained a grey door. Curious as they are, they peeked inside, met face to face with a strange goopy skeleton-looking monster.
Codebreaker gets straight to the introductions - "Hi, I'm Frisk, yes I'm a human please don't fight me, also the barrier is broken" - but what remained of Gaster did not care to listen. He only wished to become whole again by any means necessary. Gaster attacks, aiming to take their soul to save himself. Codebreaker attempts to explain their way out of the battle, but with Gaster not even bothering to read their hands they had no choice but to run. Before they could get away, however, they did take a few hits. By the time they noticed the strange monster had left his mark on their soul, it was already far too late.
The residue of himself Gaster had left on their soul corrupted it, their determination, and by extension their SAVE file, turning their universe into a ticking time bomb. Over the short months before the world collapsed, they learned their corrupt soul granted them the ability to do magic and begged Toriel for lessons.
They eventually confided in Sans about the strange encounter, seeing as they were quite close to the skeleton, viewing him and Papyrus as the brothers they'd never had. That conversation lead them to the dreaded realization that their world was ending slowly and there was nothing that could be done to save it. Codebreaker did their best to reassure their friend, but it's not like there was a happy ending they could promise. This was it.
Sometime between then and their universe's collapse, Sans gave them one of his spare jackets. He didn't make a big deal of it, of course, but seeing as he no longer existed... it became a big deal posthumously.
The implosion of a universe isn't as dramatic as it sounds. There was no flashy explosion, no apocalyptic catastrophe. There was simply the world, and then there wasn't. In the void left behind by their universe's demise, Codebreaker was all that was left. They eventually found something in the darkness; a small, glowing light, so minor it wouldn't have been noticeable if anything else remained in the world.
Reaching for the light, they found themself outside their universe. They weren't sure how they knew that, it just sort of appeared in their brain; they were looking down at what had been their entire life, now just a dark void. And it wasn't just that - the dark, corrupted parts of their soul had completely disappeared, leaving gaps missing in their place. Upon checking themself over, they realized they'd lost 7 max hp from it, too. Small glitchy shapes hovered around them, and though they wouldn't realize it for a while, they'd gained the abilities to teleport and summon gaster blasters. This is also when their scleras turned black, and they started wearing their hair over their eyes to hide them.
Looking around, they were surrounded by other universes, each their own isolated existence, and they were overcome with a burning feeling they were so, so familiar with: determination. Determination to protect these worlds they'd never known of before from what they'd just gone through. Over time, the abyss of their universe calmed into a peaceful white void, where they would take anyone who had to witness their worlds fall apart.
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Gaster Escape Attempt #25: The Perfume Department
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samijami · 5 months
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can I hear about your weirdore papyrus, sans, gaster and mk? Or just the story in general? Sounds cool
My Weirdcore babies .v.
Yeah, ofcourse!
In their home AU, Aster and Rea were looked down upon for having a magician x monster relationship since it was seen as a forbidden type of crossbreeding where the child may have deformalities and etc, so due to that, when they had a child, the child was seen as a freak.
The people and the monsters went against the couple and their newborn child in trying to kill the child and detain Aster and Rea. Aster and his family escaped the AU, and Aster thought that he could afford to attempt and make an AU where his son's 'weirdness' caused by deformalities may be 'normal' for him. Similiar to X!Gaster, Ink offered Aster a way to make a new AU for his family.
Along with the AU, Aster made Aer (Weirdcore!Papyrus) to be Orng's younger 'brother'. He didn't want him to feel lonely!
Although, here is where things start to take a turn for the worst, but I'm not gonna spoil the entirety of the backstory before I make my comic! And yes, I am planning on making a comic-
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popatochisssp · 6 months
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tell us more about underfell fruition? :)
tw for confinement and medical abuse and abuse in general
Underfell Fruition
A young Sans’ attempt to escape his creator, the Royal Scientist, is a failure.
No one hears anything about it.
Life continues as normal for everyone Underground, with few exceptions.
A handful of shop owners around the Capital and the researchers working in the Royal Labs may notice that Dr. Gaster is sending a lot of new interns around on his errands instead of the young skeleton he had doing it, but nobody is especially surprised—the only surprising thing about it is that the guy had lasted so long.
The Royal Scientist gets bored of his interns easily, and everyone knows that.
Gaster is and continues to be a force to be reckoned with, a fearsome reputation and easily the power and ruthlessness to back it up.
They say he’s loyal only to Emperor Asgore himself, and he considers anyone less as utterly beneath him, minions to do his bidding and stepping stones along his path.
(Fodder for his experiments, the rumors say too, but there’s no evidence of that.)
(He’s far too careful for there to be evidence.)
Asgore allows the Royal Scientist the freedom to operate as he pleases, in spite of the doctor’s somewhat ill repute, for all the impressive work he does with the carte blanche he’s given, resulting in significant military advancements for monsterkind.
As the years go by, Gaster happily proves his worth, producing many innovations that will be invaluable when the time comes to seize the final human soul, shatter the Barrier, and take back the Surface by force.
His most famed creation is a device which produces magic limitlessly, boundless energy for its user to draw upon as if it were their own, infinite bullets and fighting potential without tiring or running dry—no one knows what it looks like save the Emperor and the Captain of the Royal Guard, but they vouch that it does exactly as advertised.
Gaster is still working on expanding the use of the device to more than one monster at a time, but its potential is clear.
In the meantime, while he gets the math to work on that, he hasn’t been idle.
His latest feat of engineering, painstakingly perfected, is a living war-machine that he calls 2P.
2P, while not truly sentient, is capable of comprehending orders given to it and employing basic problem-solving skills and intensive physical training to obey those orders with swift, devastating precision.
An army of monster-shaped weapons of its kind is a tantalizing prospect—soldiers for the upcoming war that won’t think or feel or do anything but drive forward, with unrelenting force…
But first, it needs a field test, to see if it’s viable.
Gaster lends 2P to the services of the Royal Guard, with instructions on how to command it and to report back when—not if—it satisfies all conditions of whatever tests and trials they put it through.
Captain Undyne is…far from satisfied.
Not with 2P’s performance, of course, for its strength and speed and obedience are everything the Royal Scientist advertised it would be.
But…
There are signs she’s seeing, things she’s noticing as she works with 2P that she…really wishes she wasn’t.
2P isn’t supposed to feel pain, but she’s caught it wincing or favoring something after a heavy blow.
It isn’t supposed to think for itself, but she’s seen it in Waterfall, gazing out over the glowing pools and sparkling crystals with an expression she can only describe as ‘thoughtful.’
It’s not supposed to be sentient…but she saw it, smiling when she told her soldiers a stupid joke during training—and she saw fear in its eye-sockets when it realized she was looking, before it went coolly, irreproachably blank again.
It’s only a suspicion, a gut feeling pushing insistently through the denial, but…
Undyne doesn’t think 2P is an ‘it.’
And if ‘it’ isn’t, that’s a very, very big problem.
She can’t report this to Gaster.
If 2P is more than a living construct meant only for battle, then telling its creator, the man with complete power over it, in charge of whether it lives or dies, is the absolute last thing she should ever do.
Emperor Asgore…
Well, she trusts Asgore, but…he’s a busy monster, weighed down by duty and grief as much as he’s always been and he trusts Gaster—as questionable a choice as that is. If it came down to the Royal Scientist’s word against her ‘gut feeling’…
She needs proof.
Something solid to open an investigation over, to really do it by the book.
Luckily, she may have an in.
One of Gaster’s assistants, a former intern, with rumors flying that she could even be his successor, if she lasts long enough.
Alphys is close to the Royal Scientist, and has clearly honed the ability to keep her mouth shut—which will be very useful for Undyne if it turns out that she’s trying to open up Pandora’s Box with her digging.
The young doctor is thankfully very willing to assist with the very very hot Captain’s covert investigation and freely shares all she knows.
Definitely only in the interest of cooperating with the law.
Yes.
But well, she is suspicious of Gaster herself and has been for some time—not because of 2P, but because of his ‘magic-creating’ device.
Alphys is a scientist and its never sat right with her, the idea of magic being created from nothing. It’s not possible, it should be coming from somewhere! But her boss always brushed off her questions, and when he started giving her looks, the same kind of looks he gave people who lost their jobs and were never seen again…she stopped asking questions.
Gaster is almost certainly up to something shady, and if the Guard is getting involved, maybe now they have a chance to figure out what.
Unfortunately, Alphys wasn’t brought in until well after 2P’s completion. She was never allowed to be involved in any of his training and refinement, so she isn’t much help there…
She does make an attempt to pull up its documentation, but what she can access is heavily redacted, and the rest is locked behind Gaster’s credentials.
The most she can find is a mention of an earlier iteration, a 1S, but nothing about it beyond it being put into storage, and nothing at all after that point.
It’s most likely just a failed prototype, but it could be a place to start, if they can track it down to wherever it’s been stored.
It takes a lot more digging, some risky exploration and a bit of hacking into systems she definitely should not have access to, but Alphys manages to find what she thinks is the ‘storage’ mentioned in the notes—an extremely deep basement level of the Royal Labs, far below the other floors and not shown on any blueprints, locked up tight.
She can’t investigate further…but Undyne can.
A gut feeling isn’t cause for a search, but a secret unsanctioned dungeon beneath the labs that no one knows about with such high security…?
That’s something that warrants the Emperor’s notice.
Asgore is not best pleased to hear that his Royal Scientist has kept such a secret from him.
He orders that Gaster be detained pending further investigation, and is quite unpleasantly surprised when—even at his order—Gaster refuses to cooperate and allow access to the elevator down.
Undyne takes Alphys and 2P with her to investigate anyway. If Alphys can’t hack the door, then 2P should be able to brute-force it.
Besides, whatever’s down there… 2P’s probably seen it before and can help handle it.
What they find…is not pretty.
There’s evidence there, the dust of monsters Gaster ‘disappeared’ because they got in his way, or simply because he could.
Shambling amorphous creatures that once were monsters, Fallen Down and resurrected with DT, only to melt into each other, amalgamated beings. ‘Impervious to damage,’ the Royal Scientist had written of the poor souls he kept locked away, ‘possibly useful, further testing needed.’
And…far back, in the very last room—barely the size of a broom-closet—a skeleton.
Another skeleton, strapped down to a chair and hooked up to more monitoring equipment than even Alphys has seen at one time before.
This one is nothing at all compared to 2P, short where 2P is tall, frail where 2P is sturdy, sickly-looking and seemingly half-dead where 2P is strong and healthy and alive.
“Th-this…must be 1S—”
“SANS.”
The captain and the doctor both jump to realize that 2P was the one who said it.
It doesn’t speak again though, for all that it’s staring very intently at the other skeleton in room, utterly frozen and immovable in the face of this sick and terrible discovery.
Because…the thing is…
………
He was just…gone, one day.
Their creator never spoke his name again.
He wouldn’t acknowledge him, that he’d ever existed.
And 2P…
He…forgot.
He tried to forget, because Sans wasn’t real.
Sans was never real, Sans was something he made up to pretend he wasn’t alone in a horrible place with a horrible man who said he wasn’t a ‘he,’ he was an ‘it’—and he had to forget any stupid ideas he had that he was anything but an object, a tool meant to take orders and obey and don’t think, never think, never want, never be anything but 2P.
Never be…
Papyrus.
He is…Papyrus.
And his brother is real.
Alive, though just barely.
1S—or, Sans, apparently, takes some time to come around from his heavily-sedated, comatose state, but all too eager to cooperate with the strange monsters hovering over him when he sees his brother is among their number.
The story as he tells it is this.
He and Papyrus were creations of the Royal Scientist, created from his body—his kids, if the man had been any less of a maniac, but since Gaster is indeed a maniac, he planned to keep them under his thumb for the rest of their lives and use them (but especially Papyrus) in all kinds of fucked up, illegal experiments, to mold them into whatever he saw as their greatest utility.
Sans tried to snatch his little brother up and run, but he got caught, and Gaster got to have his way.
Papyrus became the living war-machine dear old dad had always wanted, and Sans—who had fucked up by proving he was a stubborn, uncooperative jackass who no threat against him or his brother could seem to control—was repurposed.
See, he’d always generated magic at a pretty high rate, but after what Gaster did, he became a battery, a constantly replenishing source of energy to be drawn on at any time, an impressive little toy to win some brownie points with the Emperor and earn even freer reign to do whatever the hell he wanted, whenever he wanted.
Alphys has to double and triple-check the readings on the monitoring equipment around him to believe it, but he really is the source of Gaster’s impossible device, producing massive quantities of magic with such incredible range that (if she’s reading it right) Gaster or anyone else using it would be able to siphon his magic from miles away.
But that’s not the only thing Sans can tell them.
He also knows, and is more than happy to provide, several passwords and access codes that the Royal Scientist was too lazy or too cocky to change in the years since he put Sans under and locked him away.
Which is, of course, access to more than enough detailed and meticulously recorded evidence of Gaster’s crimes against monsterkind to shut him down.
Permanently.
The Royal Scientist is unceremoniously fired, convicted, and eventually, executed.
Alphys, who played a large role in bringing him to justice and is a brilliant and respectable scientist in her own right is ushered in as his replacement, and Undyne is given several honors for her dedication to uncovering and bringing down corruption at the highest level.
The skeleton brothers receive support—both official and unofficial—from the crown in order to integrate into society without undue hardship, after the significant hardship they already faced.
Life continues as normal, but maybe a little bit better now.
Carmine (Underfell Fruition Sans)
In poor physical condition at first due to how long he spent unconscious and immobile, but recovering mobility and independence as fast as monsterly possible (fuck the wheelchair, fuck the crutches, fuck soup, he is gonna walk his ass to a damn burger and nobody is gonna stop him)
Only vaguely aware of time having passed while comatose, but as his magic grew stronger and his range stretched, he developed an ability to poke into peoples’ heads. It’s very surface-level, mostly just skimming thoughts off the top, but he’s found himself drifting through enough monsters’ subconscious that these days, most people Underground might not recognize him but still get the feeling that he’s hauntingly familiar
Still overproducing magic at an extreme rate due to modifications made to his body, magic which he actually needs to use in large amounts regularly. If he doesn’t, he starts to physically overheat and things around him start to fritz a bit from the outpouring of excess magic, which is naturally something he’d rather avoid if possible
Eager to make up for lost time, open-minded to all kinds of new stuff he never got around to doing before he got locked up
A little bit cocky, loud and arrogant, but with just enough boyish charm and joie de vivre to pull it off…most of the time
Tank (Underfell Fruition Papyrus)
Extremely physically powerful due to biomodifications over the years as he was growing up, very tall, wide, and strong. His soul was also…adjusted, and he no longer takes damage from even the most vicious and lethal intent, only physical or magical attacks that land can harm him
Struggles significantly with free will and independent thought—largely due to how heavily punished and very not allowed any signs of choice or independence were. Slowly getting comfortable with being a person, and being allowed to be a person again, supported heavily by his brother and Undyne
Went a very long time under the impression that his brother was a figment of his imagination, and there’s some…complex feelings there, that he was real and alive and trapped the whole time and he didn’t do anything about it. Said brother doesn’t blame him in the slightest, but it may be awhile before the two of them aren’t a package deal everywhere they go
Likes things that are slow and with obvious correct ways of doing them—or at least no wrong way of doing them, so he can take it at his own pace and not be afraid of making a mistake
A little stoic and a lot intimidating, but (with a bit of patience beyond that first impression) curious and gentle and just starting to learn what it means to be himself
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What’s the lore with Thorn? I see her a lot but I don’t know who she is or why she has the flowers.
At first, I thought I might slowly introduce all the lore but I think instead I'll just go off on this post.
There is no Lore. She's just a FlowerFell Frisk.
Jk.
There's actually quite a lot that I've built and redone over the years. In total there are 4 main Thorns if you don't include AU versions... which I won't.
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There's Chara, Young!Thorn, Trash!Thorn, and Geno!Thorn.
I'll start with Chara.
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Chara Lives on the surface with her family, though she rarely spends any time with her parents Charlotte and Daniel. She is more protective of her little sister, Bloom (@agingflower). She's rude and quick to anger, paying no respect to status or even character. Pick on her or Bloom and pay the price. Eventually, she catches the eye of Evie, who manages to equal her and throw her on her ass.
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She doesn't back down though, which eventually leads to her being abducted by Evie's friend group/Chara's bullying victims and brought to MT. Ebott. After Chara's encounter with Evie on Ebott... she's never seen again...
Young!Thorn wakes up one day in the underground. She knows she was thrown down against her will... but the bump to her head must have given her amnesia. Meeting a helpful talking flower, she manages to avoid her first monster. From there, Flowey and Thorn are inseparable. She attempts to escape the Underground using any means necessary and with Flowey's guidance. The world of Underfell is oppressive though, and she eventually fails her quest... only to wake up on the Flower Patch with another flower to accompany her.
Attempting to remove it causes her immense pain and with every flower added to her body, she feels her Determination fade making it harder for her to fight. After many failed attempts, she goes blind.
Trash!Thorn is the current and most common incarnation of Thorn.
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She's incredibly depressed! With so many flowers now growing on her, she's become too weak to fight back against the monsters of the Underground. She's accepted that she will eventually stop coming back and die for good. She's banking on death actually, hoping she might finally be released from her incredibly painful existence. She wanders the Underground a shell of a human...
Flowey is no longer with her and the curse makes it increasingly more difficult to care. The curse siphons her Determination and reduces her HP. Feelings of guilt and self-loathing are multiplied because of this. These self-destructive emotions and the setting of Underfell create an intensely lethal environment for her. Many of her lives don't last a few minutes. Eventually though... Bloom joins her in the Underground.
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Geno!Thorn is what's created when a genuinely spiteful and hateful human being is subjected to such a harmful curse for years on end.
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Geno is created when Trash!Thorn is forced to kill again. Her increasing LVL gives her control over the curse. Her story is still being explored, eventually she hopes to branch out into other timelines though~
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A Few Notes
Thorns curse is placed upon her by her timelines Gaster. Knowing the risk of having a Human like them running around with infinite lives...
Trash!Thorn spends most of her time in the Dump in Waterfall. Proceeding to Hotlands is impossible for her as she's very prone to falling off the sides. She has never seen Hotlands, though she has visited Alphy's Lab
Bloom is somewhat a tribute to the traditional Flowerfell Frisk Thorn takes inspiration from. One might say she's more deserving of protagonist status and the name Frisk.
All the art in this post is by @alfa-artz
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deltaruminations · 8 months
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Skeleton Darkners is in that space where i don’t buy most of the Evidence cited for it but i also don’t buy a lot of the of the arguments i’ve seen against it. the evidence feels like an overthinking of cherrypicked details that are more likely coincidences than anything else. on the other hand i feel like a lot of the refutations betray a lack of… i dunno… curiosity?
“shouldn’t they just be objects in the light world?” yeah. exactly. they should be. if they’re darkners walking around and retaining their form in the light world then that means they’re anomalies. is that not an interesting possibility in a game that incorporates glitches and game-breaking behavior into its diegesis? in a story that seems interested in examining the process of story-creation and the relationships between creators, creations, and audiences, in which darkners represent self-aware fictional characters? doesn’t that seem consistent with the skeletons' generally anomalous natures? why the hell do they have dark world doors in their house???
“why isn’t ralsei making a fuss about it?” who’s to say he knows about it? he doesn’t know about jevil or spamton before meeting them and they’re absolutely Problem Darkners. i don't think the evidence holds that ralsei is all-knowing; he has a Prophecy and some way of detecting other Fountains when they open, but he doesn’t seem to be clued into stuff otherwise. not to mention... if the person who’s feeding him information is also one of the people who escaped, then it follows that they could keep that information from him if they needed to.
“but how did they enter the light world at all?” <- a question i’ve posed myself in the past that is currently unanswerable, though we do know that spamton thinks it involves using a lightner’s SOUL. where’d he get that idea from? did he just make it up because he’s Random and Unhinged or is it possible he learned about it from someone? are there any known lightners who are presently unaccounted for? i can think of one. that does bring up the question of “did sans and papyrus take SOULs too?” to which i’d say i’m EXTREMELY skeptical that either of them would do that lol. but it’s possible that it isn’t as simple as Steal a Lightner SOUL, Become a Real Boy. maybe a Lightner SOUL is just part of a bigger equation? why does the story even have spamton make such a big deal out of the possibility of a darkner “reaching heaven” in the first place if that isn’t an idea it’s looking to explore further?
i think part of the issue is that most of this theorycraft centers around sans and papyrus being darkners and i just don’t think that’s the most fruitful lens for interrogating this given the current information. there aren’t majorly compelling reasons right now for why either of them should have originated as darkners, but i do think there are compelling reasons to think gaster in particular might have. light and dark are a balance, right? we have our Forces of Light. who’s our Force of Darkness? gaster’s entire deal centers around darkness, in both literal and metaphorical senses, as a major motif. he’s a satan figure, a representative of temptation and want; he’s a gnawing absence, an unknown that begs to be understood; he’s an eye peering through a crack in the wall. ENTRY NUMBER SEVENTEEN seems to discuss a descent into darkness beyond dark. memoryhead has only six faces until you count the laughing skull that they comprise. we may even have a direct foil for gaster in a specific missing lightner who parallels him in situation yet contrasts him in motifs. they’re mutually connected to noelle, who’s attuned to the unknown, a conduit between the Real and Unreal, the only lightner gaster seems to attempt to contact directly (barring the tree rooms, which may have more to do with the Player than they do with kris). does it not make sense for this story’s greatest arbiter of darkness — the one who, by the story’s own logic, is fulfilling a certain Purpose to a higher/greater power by facilitating the Player’s entry into a layer of reality below theirs — to be, himself, a darkner?
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