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ulliell · 6 months
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From Red Meat: Fragments of Stesichoros by Anne Carson
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tenderloincherub · 1 year
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love you red love you red wings love you winged red person love you little red dog love you geryon love you ancash love you volcano love you red singlet with white letters that read tender loin love you belugas floating in the moonless tank at night love you maria love you red winged loveslave love you dickinson #1748 love you evil whitman love you lava man love you lava bread that makes you passionate love you photographs love you stesichoros love you red meat appendix love you geryon love you geryon love you geryon
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catilinas · 9 months
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What does your tagline 'just a memory burn!' mean/come from?
it's from anne carson's autobiography of red!
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foreignfuneral · 2 months
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And then Hyperion's strong child went down into the cup of solid gold, so that he might cross over Okeanos and reach the depths of holy, dark night and his mother and wedded wife and dear children; while he Zeus' son, who has reached Erytheia in the cup or has traveled back to the mainland in it, now returns it to Helios went on foot into the grove, shady with its laurels. - Stesichorus, Geryoneis Fragment
When Helios made him hot as he proceeded, he aimed his bow at the god and stretched it; Helios was so surprised at his daring that he gave him a golden goblet, in which he crossed Okeanos. . . He then loaded the cattle into the goblet, sailed back to Tartessos, and returned the goblet to Helios. - Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca
This amusing image, as described in the quotes above, depicts Heracles cozy within Helios' golden goblet, the vessel that the sun god uses to cross Oceanos, the waters that surround the world, and reach the east during the night (apparently another tradition has him voyage to the east while sleeping in a golden bed).
Heracles' borrowing of the golden goblet happened on his tenth labor during his journey to the far west to steal the cattle of the ominous three bodied giant Geryones, during which he also erected the famed pillars that are named after him.
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Heracles' labor aside, this golden goblet/bed made me wonder if Helios might have had different nightly vehicles in other traditions, and the one thing that sprung to mind first is the dragon chariot which Helios had gifted to his granddaughter Medea:
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The dragon and the serpent being commonly associated with Chthonic deities, it made me wonder whether some ancient Hellenes might have had a tradition where Helios, rather than circumnavigating the world through Oceanos, he instead traveled astride the dragon chariot through Hades much like Ra does to reach the east. As interesting as this theory is though, it is far more likely, as @wendelsae pointed out to me, that the dragons which pull the chariot are instead related to the dragon in the far east which guarded the golden fleece and the dragon Ladon to the far west which guarded the golden apples, their connection to Helios being the location of far east and west rather than anything else. And if so, even if they have no chthonic connotations, it is not unlikely for the dragons to be related to Helios' nightly aspect.
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taekookficrecs · 1 year
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HELLO! ive been reading a lot recently, so here's a few fics i want to submit anonymously <3
thejoth's: aching joints, if it's not said (will you still know), and hey stud
honeymi's i wouldn't know any better than you
drawingspaces' nostalgia corrosiva
porridgemilk's when autumn comes let just one bird sing
veausy's if you've bled (i'll bleed the same), compersion, nolo contendre
annangst's let me in (let me get closer)
geryoneis' soft sounds from another planet
bluevalo's the prosody of misconception
redpangur's: you're my blue, august slipped away, stay dark red
it feels insane that i get to rec all these without screaming and dying about each individual one for paragraphs and paragraphs
hellooo, thank you for the ask/recs! i'll add the links here :) i hope y'all enjoy!!! (some notes: i couldn't find bluevalo's the prosody of misconception t___t)
Aching Joints - thejoth (( 17/17 | E | 145,555 ))
No matter who you are, growing pains are inevitable. Taehyung and Jungkook learn this firsthand.
i wouldn't know (any better than you) - honeymi (( 1/1 | T | 19,423 ))
Taehyung stares into his cup of untouched camomile tea. “Can you… can you repeat like. All of that again?” Jungkook sips his own tea nervously. “All of it?” “Yeah.” Taehyung watches a few errant leaves drift around the bottom of his mug. “Or just like. That part about you being the personification for the concept of fate again?” “Well, that’s not quite it,” Jungkook mutters. “It’s more like… I’m the human vessel for it. I help carry out Fate's tasks." Taehyung looks up at Jungkook. “Right. Sorry. Go over the part about you being a human vessel for Fate again.”
[Or: Jungkook knits a lot, and Taehyung learns about the behind-the-scenes of human connection.]
nostalgia corrosiva - drawingspaces (( 1/1 | M | 26,500 ))
taehyung and jeongguk are very good at getting other people to talk to each other. they’re not very good at the talking thing themselves. 
or: the one in which they run an investigative podcast, don’t psychoanalyze anyone, and the scariest thing isn’t falling off the edge of a waterfall.
When Autumn Comes Let Just One Bird Sing - porridgemilk (( 8/11 | M | 67,002 ))
Somehow, despite sharing a childhood together, it’s been years since Jeongguk had even thought about Taehyung much at all. In all of his childhood photos, Taehyung was a permanent fixture, as if they couldn’t exist without each other. Joined at the hip, those two, their mothers would always say. Nothing in the world can get between them, huh? 
Jeongguk thinks that perhaps their mothers and everyone in the town hadn’t accounted for the simple fact of time passing them all by. 
-- Or,
Jeongguk is forced to come back to the town he spent most of his childhood in and finds that it's not the same place that he left behind. Neither is he. He's nothing he dreamed he would become when he first left this place.
if you've bled, i'll bleed the same - veausy (( 1/1 | T | 5,200 ))
All that blood in your mouth, he thinks, swiping a rusty smear of it off Jungkook's cheek, just next to his swollen, shiny mouth. The boy in his hold laughs, wild and crazed and feral. I wish it were mine.
nolo contendere - veausy (( 1/1 | M | 13,650 ))
The first thing Taehyung usually told the jury was that Jungkook Jeon doesn’t look like a cold-blooded murderer.
The second thing he usually told the jury was that there’s no particular way a murderer should look.
compersion - veausy (( 1/1 | T | 12,300 ))
“You can start off slow, with a few innocent kisses,” Yoongi pipes up, “but, you know, a true couple would show quite a bit of intimacy over the course of two weeks on a cozy winter holiday.” He swallows, then sneers at Jimin, who grins back. Taehyung’s hands curl into two fists, but he locks his elbows in and breathes deeply. “So maybe you two can spend some quality time getting to know each other before our flight.”
“What a splendid suggestion,” Taehyung drawls. “Want me to show you where to put it?”
Jeongguk, breaking out of his comfort zone of typical and total silence, smacks the edge of his phone against the table. “See, why are you like that? You already said yes, why do you need to be unbearable?”
let me in (let me get closer) - annangst (( 4/? | T | 46,196 ))
Taehyung and Jungkook are petty enemies. They're also roommates in college. Because of course they are. 
or, alternatively: finally the unnecessarily domestic enemies to lovers story i was always destined to write
soft sounds from another planet - geryoneis (( 17/17 | E | 90,530 ))
There are props to a marriage. First, the person tracking the words. Second, the heart.
You're My Blue - redpangur (( 9/9 | E | 69,122 ))
His voice has this odd timbre, dark and a little low, and he’s good-naturedly ribbing Jimin with this bright, rectangular smile, strands of blue hair in his eyes, and suddenly Jungkook feels dizzy. He redirects his gaze to his bag, tries to remember what he was even pretending to search for. 
Jungkook really isn’t looking for a crush. First of all because he tends to fall too hard, and he’s trying not to be that way anymore. And second of all because he needs to focus on this new program—to find his bearings, prove that he belongs. He doesn’t need any distractions. So this thing, where this guy he doesn’t know is ruffling Jimin’s hair and making Jungkook feel fluttery—it’s not ideal.
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Grad school AU. Taehyung is a cagey history masters student, and Jungkook is a dance MFA with a big ole crush.
August Slipped Away - redpangur (( 18/18 | E | 88,411 ))
“I’m 25,” Jeongguk says readily, sucks another drip of ice cream off of his knuckles.
“Oh. I’m 28.”
It tracks, Jeongguk thinks, slots readily in with everything else he knows about him. “Wow. And your only job prospect is dishwasher?”
The bloom of Taehyung’s smile is slow. “I’m having a terrible time here on my fake honeymoon, by the way. Zero stars.”
“That’s a shame. Wouldn’t recommend it to other fake honeymooners?”
“Definitely not.”
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Taehyung goes on a fake honeymoon!!! Jeongguk is just trying to get some work done.
Stay Dark Red - redpangur (( 3/3 | E | 83,067 ))
“Did you just watch Jungkook eat an entire pomegranate?”
Taehyung looks up, flummoxed. He tries to think of a suitable response. He lands on: “No.”
Jimin nods slowly, phone resting on his chest. “Alright.”
admin nj has rec'd nostalgia corrosiva as well! that's how you know it's gonna be good ;) - admin jh
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lucid-jjin · 2 years
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Regarding ao3: whatever your favs are
Coolllll here are some which i really enjoyed!! be sure to go through the tags of each fic before reading 😙
Brief encounters - malamyszk (sope) v sad, v heartbreaking. In short: a must read
Starving (& Other Artistic Mediums) - TAHC (namgi) i hold this namgi so so dear to my heart. Everything about this fic is so perfect. It’s honestly (one of) my comfort fics 
The Vagabond - sinkingmyships (yoonjin) I absolutely love the yoonjin dynamics in this fic. The humour, the storyline is just so good. I love it a lot
Rattle - saturnaris (jinkook) gOD if there was ever a fic I wish I could wipe from my memory just to experience reading it again it would def be this one. I was absolutely HOOKED. The way it’s written is just so enrapturing and it leaves you wanting more. Absolutely mind boggling, mind blowing etc etc
Psychic 10-12 club - Ghoulie_cruz (taekook) I LOVE THIS TAEKOOK SO MUCH!!!!! Must protect!!!!! Perfect dynamics, top tier dialogue, fantastic plot
Retrograde- geryoneis (taejoon) I am in love with the way this author writes??? Like this was one of the works I really wanted to take it slow with and make sure I absorb each and every word one by one. Perfectly captures the Taejoon relationship I can see them having in real life
Softer than steal - sugaretreat (namseok) a very cute and super fun angel/ demon read!! Namseok are just having trouble coming round w their feelings :(( they’re my babies I love them 
Smooth strip - HereIGoAgain (yoonmin) so hilarious and adorable. I mean, yoonmin is already so chaotic and this fic encompasses it really well i think. a perfect mood booster if you are in need of one
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sincerelystesichorus · 3 months
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Of Gods, Monsters, and Men; What we can learn from Herakles (and Geryon's little red cattle)
A presentation giving a brief dissection of the tragedy of Herakles, with considerations from the original Euripides text, Stesichorus' "Geryoneis," Anne Carson's "Autobiography of Red", and Stephen Fry's modern interpretation. Some points of this piece would be humanistic portrayals of the gods and how their duality of divine/mundane is a blessing and curse for us mortals (and specifically Herakles,) the duality of mortality/immortality, and where exactly that line blurs and what it implies in myth and Hellenic polytheism, and finally, what makes a monster, and the duality of monstrous traits.
My basic write up for my university's annual humanities/women and gender studies event. I've participated every year and it's been such a fantastic part of my writing journey and I'm so excited because this years theme was duality and I've wanted to pump out my pure Herakles analyses for awhile.
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psychicbee · 6 months
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Soft sounds from another planet
by geryoneis (17/17, 90530)
There are props to a marriage. First, the person tracking the words. Second, the heart.
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deathlessathanasia · 9 months
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"Hesperides are apparently included in the same family (of Night) by virtue of their association with evening and the West, although one might have expected their name to indicate descent from a god of evening, Hesperos (so Paus 5.17.2). Elsewhere in the Theogony they are called "shrill-voiced" (Th 275: several post-Archaic sources make them singers) and located near Atlas and the Gorgons at the limit of Okeanos, toward the edge of night (Th 517–18). Hesiod will later describe as well the snake offspring of Phorkys and Keto who guards similar apples in the hollows of dark earth at its limits (a difficult geographical concept: Th 333–35).
The initial reference to the Hesperides in the Theogony is the only mention in Archaic literature of their role as tenders of the golden apples (the next preserved allusion is Euripides' Hipp 742; cf. HF 394-99), but for them and the snake there is some further evidence from art. A cedar-wood group by the mid-sixth-century Lakonian sculptor Theokles, apparently for Byzantion's treasury at Olympia, portrayed Herakles, snake, tree, and five Hesperides; two Hesperides with apples also appeared on the throne of Pheidias' Zeus statue (Paus 6.19.8, 5.17.2, 5.11.6).
For his part, Pherekydes tells us that Gaia brought apple trees bearing golden fruit to Hera as a gift on the occasion of her wedding, and that Hera promised to plant them in the garden of the gods near Atlas, with a snake (Apollonios is the first to call him Ladon: AR 4.1396–98) to guard the apples from the depredations of Atlas' daughters (3F16); another source adds in this connection that Pherekydes made the Hesperides daughters of Zeus and Themis (Hipp 742 = 3F16d; Jacoby argues confusion with the Eridanos Nymphai here). Akousilaos instead makes the Harpuiai the guardians (2F10), and the Epimenides Theogony identified these last with the Hesperides, if Philodemos is to be trusted (3B9). From the latter writer we learn that the author of the epic Titanomachia also discussed the matter, but Philodemos' text breaks off just as the guardians are about to be named (Tit fr 9 PEG).
Of Archaic poets, Mimnermos too places the Hesperides in the West (12.8 W), and a fragment of Stesichoros describes their golden homes on a lovely island, presumably in connection with Herakles' acquisition of the apples as one of his Labors (or as part of the Geryoneis?: 8 SLG). For Apollonios they are three in number (Hespere, Erytheis, Aigle) and located in Libya, where the Argonautai encounter them mourning the recent death of the snake, guardian of the apples, at the hands of Herakles (AR 4.1396–1449). The later account of Apollodoros locates garden and Hesperides, instead,near the Hyperboreans (thus presumably in the far north), and names them Aigle, Erytheia, Hesperia, and Arethousa (ApB 2.5.11, after emendation) .10 The Hellenistic historian Agroitas (2 AR 4.1396a 762F3a) and Diodoros Siculus both discuss the possibility that what the Hesperides guarded were after all sheep, not apples (since the Greek word mêla can mean both); Diodoros also adds an unlikely tale about one Hesperis, daughter of Atlas' brother Hesperos, who lay with Atlas and became the mother of seven Hesperides (DS 4.26-27). South Italian art often shows the Hesperides in their garden alone, with one of them usually giving the snake something to drink (so Ruvo 1097). But we will also see them (and the snake) together with Herakles on numerous fifth- and fourth-century vases, for in some earlier accounts, as well as in Apollonios, Herakles secures the apples from them directly, rather than using Atlas as an intermediary."
- Early Greek Myth: A Guide to Literary and Artistic Sources by Timothy Gantz
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ulliell · 9 months
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shocked! appalled! aghast! no one has posted my favorite parts of the geryoneis on tumblr dot com
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catilinas · 2 years
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hey Tate :^) randomly popping up to say that i just finished both 'The king must die' and 'The bull from the sea' in (almost) one go instead of working/eating/sleeping. and i can't thank you enough for recommending these books, the first one especially! so... maybe you have some other myth retellings or historical novels in mind to recommend?
hi!!! i’m so glad you enjoyed them / that i’m not the only person who felt like that reading them. the king must die especially Yeah. holy shit.
for Other Recommendations. the few ~myth retellings~ that i’ve read alas mostly are not novels. the genre of ‘myth retelling’ novels < the genre of weird long poems that Do Things with specific ancient texts rather than ‘myths’. but i do read a Lot of historical novels so i definitely have recommendations there! as long as you care about like. the roman republic. anyway here’s a list:
memorial - alice oswald. a ‘translation’ of the iliad, but only the death scenes (often just lists of names!) and the epic similes. it frames itself as yknow. a memorial. to the dead minor characters of the iliad but imo it also speaks to the futility of epic memorialisation. i have read the two page introduction approximately One Million Times.
nobody - alice oswald. you will be missing out if you don’t read this one against memorial. it’s a ‘retelling’ of ‘the odyssey’ and a lot of other myths that involve the sea at any point. a lot of the oresteia too. but it also never names any of its characters or indicates where each story starts or ends. oswald’s best poetry is always about water and this book is Mostly About Water so it snaps supremely.
war music - christopher logue. similar concept but completely different vibe to memorial. also a king poetic Selective reinterpretation of the iliad, but focusing mostly on combat scenes. i’m a big fan of the deliberate anachronisms and framing of the poem through camera angles / film terminology like it’s such a sexy way to ‘translate’ the omniscient moving narrator. AND it pushes you towards a v different emotional response than oswald like memorial is lowkey War And The Pity Of War (The Poetry Is In The Pity) while war music is like. uncomfortably fun. i think comparisons of ancient epic to modern (war-focused) action films can be Lazy or Done Badly (thinking only abt Violent Action Scenes Made Heroic and not the role of the listener/reader/viewer) but the elements of that in war music Work! also agamemnon gets called a piece of shit
tv men: hektor - anne carson. the spectatorship element of war music made more obvious and on a much smaller scale (it’s just one poem in a sequence). also v cool things going on w different degrees of Looseness of translation stacked inside one another
autobiography of red - anne carson. based on the fragments of stesichorus’ geryoneis but bcs the original is so incomplete it can’t really be a ‘retelling’ so much as an imagining of what the poem could and definitely Could Not be. technically a novel but A Novel In Verse. also one of my favourite books of all time ever. it’s in third person but the claustrophobia of the narrative style / the way the protagonist is often closed off to parts of his own thoughts is Weirdly Similar to theseus in the king must die? ALSO geryon ends up with a photography motif. this time we are also using it to think about the subjectivity of which fragments of a poem end up surviving / what gets cut off outside the edge of the photograph
red doc> - anne carson. rip so much carson But this is the sequel to autobiography of red. what happens when you live past the end of your myth. namedrops the battle of ager falernus. prometheus is there. (and also: h of h play - anne carson. i didn’t know whether to include this because it is A Play. like it’s a ‘translation’ (loosest sense of the word) of euripides’ hercules. but geryon (or a version of him) is there for long enough that it counts as the final installment of autobiography of red. to me.)
lavinia - ursula le guin. the second half of the aeneid told from the perspective of lavinia. BUT what sets it apart from other What If Myth—But Woman ‘retellings’ is like. v close engagement with the aeneid as a story and specifically A Story Written By An Actual Author who created his fictionalised past in very deliberate directions. like it doesn’t just treat the aeneid as an authorless body of mythic stories. vergil’s ghost is a character also. fate is real also. ALSO the setting in The Mythic Past As It Becomes The Historical Past + le guin’s decision to include vaguely supernatural elements but never the gods directly is like. very similar to the texture of worldbuilding in renault’s theseus books.
fire from heaven - mary renault. speaking of her. she wrote a whole bunch of other historical novels which you might like! this is the only other one i’ve read so far though. it’s the first of a trilogy about alexander the great. alexander has lot like theseus in that they are both deeply fucked up little guys :-)
dancing with the lion series - jeanne reames (@jeannereames hi 👋). also about the early life of alexander the great. i’ve only read the first one of these (again) but like. i read the whole thing in a day. the level of historical detail is also absolutely nuts. which makes sense bcs reames is an alexander specialist. but still!!!
cicero trilogy - robert harris. welcome to the rome zone. this is the series that got me into roman history :/ it follows the life of cicero from the perspective of his secretary tiro (the inventor of a shorthand system!). It Makes Roman Politics Fun I Promise. for real though these books manage to cover a very complicated period while also not getting bogged down in it And showing you cicero’s Wit. like i know i’m tumblr user catilinas but these books mean i can never really dislike cicero
roma sub rosa series - steven saylor. but if any books Could make me dislike cicero. well. these are a Long series of detective novels set at the end of the roman republic. catiline is there And He’s Sexy. you WILL get invested in the fictional detective’s family drama. also the author is gay and writes lgbt characters in a way that like. actually thinks about what that means In Ancient Rome. catilina’s riddle (book 3) is one of my favourite books of all time ever. also congrats to saylor for writing detective novels which really get into the function of the figure of the detective / Who Is The Detective Really Helping Here / cicero is a massive bastard etc
masters of rome - colleen mccullough. i’m just going to link the review that convinced me and also my entire family to read these. they are terrible they are amazing marcus livius drusus is there. they are massive they cover almost one hundred years of history sulla is sexy and kills people and you will know so much of the minutiae of roman politics If you get through them all
the key / the lock / the door in the wall - benita kane jaro. the key and the door in the wall are a duology about marcus caelius rufus and his relationships w catullus and then caesar. and also clodia. the lock was written later but i’d chronologically in between, and is about cicero and his conflict with clodius. BUT also all three books repeat A Lot of the same events, just from slightly different angles. the unreliability of the narrator helps / makes this v fun. the prose is A Vibe also a lot of the focus is less abt the political situation than like. caelius being young-ish as the republic collapses.
attis - tom holland. legally i have to include this :/ i don’t even know how to describe it like it’s a cryptid of a book you might have to get it through interlibrary loans. it’s not even brilliant it’s just so so weird and also the author cannot explain why bcs he can’t remember what happens in it. it’s about catullus (archeology student?) in a modernised alternate history version of rome (90s london?) being involved in a mystery involving ritual murders (tom holland HAS read girard. if you were wondering). there are also clowns.
hostis - vale aida ( @valeaida hi also 👋). first in an in progress series abt an alternate history version of the second punic war. i read the whole thing in a day instead of writing one of my essays earlier this year :/ have you ever read livy/silius and been like uurfgjhgh the narrative parallels between the lives of hannibal and scipio…… What If That Was A Book. you will go nuts over the barcids
augustus - john edward williams. my highschool philosophy teacher recommended this to me :-) it’s a kind of epistolary novel In That it’s framed as a collection of (imaginary) texts like. letters and biographies and memoirs, all showing Sides but never the entirety of The Emperor Augustus over the course of his life. i read this around the same time as A Source Book for the augustan period and was like. yeah.
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exitwound · 3 years
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P.Oxy.XXXII 2617 Stesichorus, Geryoneis? ed. E. Lobel
Publication date: 1967. Author: Stesichorus. Date: First century. Provenance: Oxyrhynchus Location: Papyrology Rooms, Sackler Library, Oxford. Genre: Lyric Poetry. Format: Roll Material: Papyrus
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444hertz · 3 years
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SYMPATHIZING WITH THE MONSTER: MAKING SENSE OF COLONIZATION IN STESICHORUS' GERYONEIS
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anythingtrxsh · 2 years
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hello!! i’m so happy to see that your ask box is open, thank you for taking the time to do these !!! i was wondering if there were any new fics that are mainly fluff/sweet with a bit of angst? i really enjoy the friends to lovers and college/ high school aus. Thanks so much!!
hii i'm so happy too !!! i hope you like these, lovely
three weddings and a love story [26k] by thestarsabove {wedding crashers au-- just what you asked for anon!}
I feel like your feelin' ain't mutual [24k] by RNA {college au-- im really not sure this fits but heres to hoping it does?}
everything is sound [14k] by sharpa {friends to lovers au-- i feel like this is a rite of passage on tk land so theres a big fat chance you've read this already but here it goes anw}
as rain, as dark [9k] by geryoneis {established relationship-- this one really hurt me in all the right places}
your hands (like magic) [8k] by honeybeams {magic au-- no angst i dont think but fluffy feelings all around!}
it’s true, i was made for you [8k] by thestarsabove {soulmate au-- angsty with a LOT of feelings lets go lets go}
half a year goes by (you're still here) [7k] by rosepotion {established relationship-- i always rec this fic bc i love it so much so here it comes again}
a winter april fools [6k] by tearhrs {secret santa-- jeon jeongguk is genuinely, terribly bad at feelings goddamn}
Give me a number, give me your heart [2k] by expplipo {college au-- it HURTS}
happy reading!!
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tellmewhytheyswoon · 3 years
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Autobiography of Red, Anne Carson (fragments of Stesichorus’ ‘Geryoneis’) // Dead Poets Society
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