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Shinsuke Takasugi Character Discussion PART 2 - Putting a Name to the Irrationality, that is Love

A continuation of Part 1. Be sure to read that first and the warnings if you're interested! Heavy, I say HEAVY Takagin.

To further nail in how important Gintoki is to Takasugi as a reason to live, what wakes Takasugi up from his coma is Matako's tears. Her tears reminded him of hazy memories of the sky crying, how those tears were coming from someone who was trying to be strong, and he hates it. Because of that, he has to wake up, live and do something about it.

And in his dying breath we hear at his most honest that Gintoki's tears have haunted him all this time. Pretty much implying the above monologue was about Gintoki's tears.

(This was probably my favourite moment in Gintama ever. This is probably the first time someone wanted Gintoki to smile, and not Gintoki fighting for someone else's smile.)

It isn't only about wanting to win against Gintoki. It's also about wanting him to be happy, and to not have to suffer all alone. Takasugi's form of love may have taken the form of power first due to his violent upbringing, but the more time they spent together being just humans, that love probably became more human too, morphing into what love really is. Wanting your loved one to be happy, and to be the closest to their everything, whether it be their happiness or their suffering.

And once again, on Rakuyo, as if to nail it in isn't Shoyo he was obsessed with but Gintoki - Takasugi displays an unwavering determination to kill Utsuro because he created this rotten world (hint: that made Gintoki cry). He is easily able to separate Shoyo and Utsuro, unlike Oboro. Even though Shoyo gave his life up for Takasugi to live, and Takasugi should have felt as responsible and guilty for it as Oboro does about his own sin.

Back to their clash in Iga - if you've forgotten, my interpretation here was Takasugi begging an answer for his irrationality of choosing Gintoki over Shoyo. After calling Takasugi out for projecting when he wasn't the one who killed Shoyo in the first place, Gintoki clarifies why he made the 'choice', that it wasn't a choice in the first place but something he was doing out of duty as a student of Shoka Sonjuku. This reinforces how his actions still follow Shoka Sonjuku's principles, and stating the obvious shows how Gintoki can see that Takasugi was afraid of losing his place in Shoka Sonjuku because of his irrationality. Gintoki allows Takasugi to escape from that irrationality by spelling out his own reasons to him. Seeing a rational, honourable reason for Takasugi to be 'chosen' over all the corpses they ran over for Shoyo, Takasugi can finally say "I haven't been expelled, after all" in relief. Because he would have chosen Gintoki over Shoyo, too, and it can be rationalized.

Instead of dragging out and accepting those emotions as Takasugi's path the same way Shoyo would have done, Gintoki does what he knows best - straightforwardly taking on Takasugi's anger and making it about himself. This manages to quell Takasugi's anger at himself, his irrationality, by letting him escape through Gintoki's more honourable reasoning for choosing him, and this peels the fake layer off Takasugi: not being able to forgive himself for irrationally choosing Gintoki over Shoyo.

It is only through Kiheitai that Takasugi finds the true skin that is his true self: an undying, strong love to live for one person. Because Takasugi never grew up with a loving family, the concept of love never came naturally to him. Now that Gintoki has lifted the confusion that blinded him and threatened to take his home in Shoka Sonjuku away, the world becomes clearer to Takasugi - just exactly what it was he was angry at the world for (hint: Gintoki's tears). As Bansai remarks on the look on Takasugi's face after Gintoki's words in Iga:

And with those eyes more focused on the present and the true anger that drives him to destruction, he finally notices how blindly Kiheitai clings to a leader who couldn't actually do anything for them, who simply enticed them with sweet words that came from a place of nihilistic destruction and gave them a delusion of certainty. How raking up their corpses in his fit of despair and rage only increased the burden on Takasugi's shoulders, because this isn't what he wanted. He wanted destruction, but it was as the solution to the tragedy he had to witness, to forgive himself for betraying his ideals and to quell the anger he couldn't put a name to (hint: at himself and Gintoki's tears). Instead, his actions only led to more demise and tragedy. Now that the self-hatred he directed at Gintoki was gone, Takasugi was fighting with the anger he couldn't place a finger on, and with such ambiguity, the burden of these corpses become too heavy for him to bear. But Kiheitai's unwavering loyalty at a pathetic, terrible person like him is what pushes him forward, for their sake, and all these piled up emotions make him realize too late--

--He had always been running away from himself. The loyalty Kiheitai he thought was only reserved for the Takasugi who gathered them together with his charisma, stayed on even for the Takasugi who lost sight of a purpose. There was something even the Takasugi had that keeps people spurring on - just being him - and because these people clearly loved him, he wanted to respond.

Now that he was properly attuned to the emotions of the people in his present, it grants him a clarity of mind to face the past as a human too, not as a detached hero focused on achieving a single goal for a delusion of certainty. This is his true battlefield, as much as it is Enshou's.

What he wanted as a hero would have been to save Shoyo for Gintoki and everyone's sake. But what he wanted as human, all this time, was to be the closest to the person most precious to him, the person who gave him a reason to live in a world that meant nothing to him--Gintoki. Just like how he gave Kiheitai a reason to live.

And his anger to destroy the world all came from his anger at witnessing Gintoki's tears. Not Shoyo's death, not Gintoki's irrationality--the anger was all born from his own powerlessness at not being able to do anything for that mysterious cloudy sky. He already never understood Gintoki's burden and pain as a child, and that distance between them only grows and grows. Gintoki was now more alone than ever, and Takasugi was running away from his desire to keep chasing after him and be there for him, because it felt like there was no longer a way to do that anymore. At the start, Takasugi could focus on Shoyo and protecting him to feel close to Gintoki, but now that he was gone, it felt like there was nothing he could do to be closer to Gintoki's heart anymore. Even if Gintoki has found a 'place' in Edo, it didn't mean the man crying from the past, whose stupid face was etched into his left eye, had stopped suffering. The pain was still there, yet Gintoki lives as if it never existed and surrounds himself with the comfortable smiles and laughter which that broken man could never possibly muster. It was too unfair. To that unfair world, Takasugi wished to destroy it all.

But now that Takasugi knows he just wants Gintoki to not suffer alone, he can think clearer. What it is that he has to do and see through till the end. How he wants to protect what Gintoki cherishes - just like he was focused on Shoyo in the past, but this time also facing the man Gintoki Sakata truly is: an idiot who loves the world no matter how much it hurt him. So, Takasugi uses himself to get rid of Utsuro to protect the world Gintoki loves, and through that, stopping him from having to point a sword at Shoyo ever again.

On Takasugi's deathbed, these feelings clearly reach Gintoki. This time, Gintoki wasn't cutting someone down to protect things others held dear - he was cutting someone down because that someone wanted to protect the things Gintoki held dear. (edit: gintoki only realizes this after takasugi admits it was for him, though)

Even though both Shoyo and Takasugi smile at Gintoki before he cuts them down, Gintoki can only smile back at Shoyo, but isn't able to muster that smile with Takasugi.

Takasugi's feelings to be by Gintoki's side are reciprocated just as much by Gintoki. It's just that Gintoki can't express it, because he has lived his life finding meaning in protecting others. To the point that even his decision to cut Shoyo down wasn't from a place of emotional attachment, but rather wanting to protect what Shoyo held dear. This is why Gintoki isn't as burdened by his emotions and self-hatred as Takasugi is, because he lives on through the emotions of other people who love him. That is his purpose of living, as someone who was born with nothing from the start and had to survive on his own with no future in sight by scavenging. It was people that filled his empty heart that he was born with.

But the person who filled it the most was undoubtedly Takasugi before Yorozuya came along. Takasugi was chasing after that void of a human more than anyone. Always wanting to win against him, no matter how much Gintoki beat him down. As much as the words 'come back tomorrow' were important to Takasugi, those words were just as important to Gintoki. Shoyo was home, but just like Otose is home now for Gintoki - both of them were the guiding figures who led him to find a forever place to belong - Takasugi and Yorozuya, both of whom will be chasing him forever. No matter how far he grows from them and himself by devoting himself to protecting people. Like how parents are home to their children, but it is that unconditional loving, safe home that lets children grow and find the love that will be their purpose of living.

Gintoki can smile cutting down Shoyo because he knows he would have successfully protected what Shoyo held dear. Cutting down Takasugi on the other hand, wasn't protecting anything. There was no reason for Takasugi to do this - he could have just died peacefully, knowing very well Gintoki would definitely kill Utsuro and protect Kiheitai in his stead no matter what. But this steadfast idiot still had to come along and die by his hands. He could've just died out of his sight, damn it.

And then he admits, he couldn't leave Gintoki alone to suffer on his own again. Takasugi coming back to life and dying was all to make sure Gintoki wouldn't have to suffer too much by killing his teacher again while protecting the world as Gintoki wants to.

If Gintoki didn't care for having Takasugi by his side to the same extent, I personally think Gintoki would have just been more angry that he had to cruelly cut down someone whose feelings and motivations weren't returned. Takasugi could have done this for someone else's sake like Kiheitai, not him, and it'd have been requited love - but no. Gintoki doesn't even think of these things because it's requited between them. Gintoki wants Takasugi to get closer to his true, empty heart. One of his biggest happinesses was just being with Takasugi after all, as he says himself--

But this idiot had to go and get himself be killed by Gintoki. Yet Gintoki smiles, because those feelings from Takasugi were as clear as day - for Gintoki to not suffer alone, to be happy as always, and Gintoki had to respond to that as he always does to all of Takasugi's challenges.

Although the person who was probably closest to Gintoki than anyone was gone, Takasugi's death was probably what made the most peace with the suffering Gintoki has gone through until now and reached the far away Gintoki more than anyone ever could. Especially because it ended in his death, Takasugi showed Gintoki how adamant he was that Gintoki didn't suffer alone, how important it is to him that Gintoki is happy. Edo accepts and loves the Gintoki in the present as he is, but it is Takasugi, Shinpachi and Kagura who chase and love Gintoki as a whole. Takasugi's choice to sacrifice himself conveyed how it was important to someone in this world that Gintoki was wholly happy. If the past hurts, it hurts, but because Gintoki refuses to share the burden with anyone else and simply keep living protecting the present, Takasugi will selfishly share Gintoki's burden and protect his happiness as a whole.

I think this ending was such a perfect wrap for Gintama and Gintoki's character arc, giving so much closure to the heavy past he carries on his shoulders through pure, obsessive love that was sloppily conveyed. The sloppy nature of it is befitting for Gintama.

Although death scenes are sad, I thought Takasugi's death scene was the only possible moment of happiness for two idiots who couldn't express their emotions well. Both are satisfied - Takasugi being able to finally do something for the person he loves, Gintoki being loved by someone who is no longer living through him but is his own person now. No more cryptic talk about alter-egos, the you who is me - just stop making that stupid face, I won't let you run away again, wait for me in hell.

This was really difficult to write and explain, but for now this is what makes sense to me about Takasugi and his relationship with Gintoki. I'm still keeping my eyes peeled for an alternative interpretation, because the relationship between two men can't possibly be this romantically implied in a Shounen Jump series. I'll be sure share any future interpretations I can come up with as I rewatch the show again, because it really is a bold, weird move to base someone's character entirely on love lol.

#gintama #takasugi shinsuke #shinsuke takasugi #sakata gintoki #gintoki sakata #takagin #gintaka #character discussion

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gintama-polls · 6 months

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Gintama OP/ED Song Tournament

"Dai Fuseikai" is featured in the live-action movie Gintama 2.

"Douraku Shinjou" is an insert song in Gintama THE FINAL.

Songs under the cut.

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#gintama #does #back number #dai fuseikai #douraku shinjou #大不正解 #道楽心情 #Youtube #gintama music tourney

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forgloryforhonor · 2 years

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It is also fascinating that on the far right, we can see Otae’s slippers on the genkan as well. This detail tells us that she was still inside the premises and purposely not showing herself to Gintoki as he let himself out.

The other umbrella and Otae’s slippers were details that were lost in the other adaptations though.

Without further ado let’s compare the different adaptations of this scene!

GINTAMA ANIME SEASON 2 - EPISODE 59 (2007)

In the anime, Otae actually left the house to buy him Shonen Jump, which explains why her slippers weren’t seen at the genkan.

Maybe to keep up with continuity in the animators’ set design of Yorozuya office, they put the cabinet in the vase’s place.

GINTAMA MOVIE 1: SHINYAKU BENIZAKURA-HEN (2010)

The anime was still much of the basis for the look of the movie adaptation. Only the cabinet design and flowers were changed. Also there‘s a board thingy at the other side of the cabinet. Moreover Otae’s slippers aren’t shown in the genkan despite her still being inside the apartment (a more faithful adaptation of the original events).

GINTAMA LIVE ACTION (2017)

The live version pays homage to the movie as well.

The cabinet is still there, albeit on the opposite wall. Otae’s slippers are nowhere in the genkan and the other umbrella is still missing.

CLOSING REMARKS

the manga has so many details that are subtle and easy to miss. There are little clues about the story peppered throughout in how Sorachi placed items in the spaces provided. It’s fascinating XD

#gintama #tae shimura #benizakura arc #sakata gintoki #yorozuya #gintae #manga vs anime #anime vs manga #gintama thoughts #gintae musings #hope u enjoyed this little trip to memory lane

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not that japanese studios are free from sin on the adaptation front. In fact it's generally agreed that with the exception of gintama and maybe rurouni kenshin they're all shit. Though on the spectacular fail list theres Shingeki no literally this is the one adaptation that letting a foreign studio handle casting at least Kyojin. Though that was at least so bad it's hillarious with 2 moments in particular making me laugh out loud

Oh, I won't try and say that just because a Japanese studio is handling the YYH adaptation means it'll be good. I still remember the general 'what happened here' that was the SnK live-action movie.

It's just that the bar is so low for any anime/video game adaptation funded by Netflix at this point that just casting Asian actors for characters that are Japanese is the bare-minimum of success.

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sandreeen · 9 months

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Gintama 2 Bloopers: Sarutobi Ayame & Okita Sougo Scene

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redsamuraiii · 4 months

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Gintama 2 (2018)

Now I know why the colour white is always associated with purity, while black is always associated with darkness.

#gintama #gintama 2 #gintama 2018 #haruma miura #miura haruma #kankuro nakamura #nakamura kankuro #japanese movie #j movie #live action anime #japan

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Gintama est un manga publié entre 2003 et 2019 par Hideaki Sorachi. Il est adapté en anime entre 2005 et 2021. Ce dernier est en général plus aimé que le manga même si le manga est très populaire au Japon. Le manga compte 77 tomes et l'anime compte 367 épisodes ainsi que des OAV.

De plus, ils ont sorti des films d'animation: Gintama Shinyaku Benizakura-hen en 2010, Gintama ,The Movie, Final Chapter, Be Forever Yorozuya en 2013 et Gintama, The Final en 2021 adaptant la fin du manga.

Il y a aussi un light Novel 3-nen Z-Gumi Ginpachi Sensei qui sera adapté prochainement en anime.

Et enfin, il a été adapté en 2 films live action et 2 dramas en 2017 et 2018. Vous verrez un article plus détaillé sur ces films.

Il y a aussi des jeux sur l'oeuvre dont un sur mobile qui sort en 2023.

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Gintama est un manga de base comique parfois tranches de vie (c'est à dire que certains épisodes peuvent être vus indépendamment des autres et montrent le quotidien des personnages). Cependant, il y a aussi beaucoup de sérieux, des scènes de combats magnifiques, des moments vraiment tristes, des morts et même des sujets politiques et historiques. C'est un manga très profond sous tout cet humour, quand on a fini le manga, on se rends compte que même certains faits comiques cachent en fait quelque chose de tragique. Bien sûr, ce manga reste humoristique et on peut y voir de nombreuses références, pour la plupart comiques, de mangas du Shonen Jump comme One piece, Dragon ball, ect...Mais aussi de films comme Star Wars ou SAW, d'autres choses comme des idoles ou des personnalités célèbres/historiques/politiques. Et il y a aussi le brisage du 4ème mur, très ancré dans le scénario. Même si on a l'impression qu'il n'y a pas de fil conducteur, il y en a un: c'est le passé du héros et la guerre de Joui (qui sont liés).

Pour commencer l'anime, je conseille de commencer au 3ème épisode car les deux premiers épisodes sont des HS.

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Le manga se passe pendant la période Edo et donc à l'époque des samurai. Sauf qu'à la différence de ce qui s'est réellement passé, Edo(le Japon) a été envahi par des extra-terrestres, qu'on appelle Amanto. Cela se passe 20 ans avant le début de l'histoire. Comme les samurais ont été rejeté par le gouvernement qui ont pris parti pour les amantos, ils se sont rebellés contre le gouvernement et les amantos. Et c'est comme ça que débuta une guerre durant 10 années nommée la guerre de Joui (ce qui signifie en français: D'expulsion d'étrangers).

La guerre fût remportée par les Amantos et 10 ans après, nous rencontrons Sakata Gintoki, un samurai approchant de la trentaine ayant été un des héros de la fin de la guerre de Joui. Depuis, il a ouvert une agence à tout faire (en japonais, Yorozuya) qu'il gérait seul jusqu'au début de l'histoire. Quand celle-ci commence, il rencontre Shimura Shinpachi, un apprenti samurai, et Kagura, une jeune amanto de la race des yato (la plus puissante race guerrière de l'univers).

On suit donc leurs aventures qui consistent au début à faire diverses missions qui peuvent être faciles comme trouver un chat ou bien plus difficiles comme se débarrasser d'animaux extra-terrestres. Parmi ces aventures, ils rencontrèrent de nombreuses personnes qui deviendront leurs alliés, et se feront embarquer dans des histoires plus dangereuses, dont certaines rappelleront à Gintoki son passé qu'il s'efforçait d'oublier.

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Je connais Gintama depuis octobre 2014, j'ai fini de rattraper tous les épisodes et les chapitres (j'ai même lu toutes les fanfictions) en mars 2015 (5 mois pour tout rattraper). Mon manga préféré est One piece, et ce depuis 2005 environs. Je n'avais jamais autant aimé un manga depuis. J'ai écris un article plus détaillé avec mon avis sur Gintama.

Ce blog est nouveau mais la majorité des mes articles sont anciens car je suis en train de transférer mon blog de skyrock.

Ici, vous trouverez des articles de présentations des personnages, des informations, des articles d'approfondissement sur l'univers, des vidéos et des fanfictions.

J'ai déjà fait des fanfictions sur Katsura/Ikumatsu, Kagura/Okita, et Sakamoto/Mustu, et je compte faire des fictions sur Gintoki et son ressenti sur certains événements, Gintoki/OC (que j'ai déjà inventé) et peut-être Gintoki/Tsukuyo (même si je le préfère avec mon OC), voir Gintoki/Hijikata (couple fictif yaoi que j'adore).

Sinon, j'ai traduit les films et les dramas, ainsi que d'autres vidéos que vous pourrez trouver sur mon blog.

#gintama #gintama-news #manga #anime #drama #live action #fanfiction

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hi, do you where i can watch the gintama live action mini series?

I couldn't remember the hoops and searches I went through to see them last year. With a little googling, I found the Mitsuba arc episodes with Indonesian subs. And I found at least one *unofficial* site with the second series after searching for 'yonimo kimyouna gintama".

Lemino's youtube page has the full first episode of the Mitsuba arc and short versions of the second season episodes, in Japanese only.

And Furritsubs has subtitle files for the Mitsuba arc.

But where you can find both, full length, with English subtitles, with ease? I'm sorry, no.

(This reminds me to go and buy the physical copies, tho.)

#gintama #anon message #whatever i found last time i couldn't find tonight.#... i really should buy the blu-ray or something...#i guess my answer is... google it.#i'm sorry that's all i got for you.

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thecraftyfoxthewriterscorner · 2 months

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Let's Talk About Sequels Part 1

Some opening thoughts about sequels and a couple of announcements! 🌸

Hey Story Crafters!

I wasn’t feeling well last weekend, so I wasn’t able to send out a post like I originally planned. I ended up binge-watching several movies—as one does while on bed (or couch) rest—and a couple in particular got me thinking about sequels: 22 Jump Street and Shrek 2.

Now, the type of humor in the Jump Street movies isn’t my cup of tea. (I don’t tend to like comedy movies, or at least live action ones, in general. On the manga/anime side, Gintama, Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun, and Sakamoto desu ga? have the kind of humor I enjoy.) I stumbled into 21 Jump Street by way of autoplay after dozing off, and then stuck through to the end of the second one out of a combination of morbid curiosity and just being in a haze of unwell. By the end of it I wanted to watch a movie with a more satisfying sequel, and hopped over to Shrek and Shrek 2.

Before we talk about the elements that make up a satisfying sequel, let’s take a look at the transition or lead-in to the sequel—in other words, the first work’s ending. When a work has series potential, the ending will leave the reader or viewer with a sense of anticipation (“What happens next?”) that the sequel is expected to fulfill.

This can be played out in a couple of ways:

Cliffhanger. It’s clear that the first work’s ending is a pause to build up tension for the sequel. At the end of 21 Jump Street, Schmidt and Jenko are told they’ll be undercover in a college for their next assignment. A couple of book examples include For the Wolf by Hannah Whitten, which ends with a character getting sent to another world; and Godkiller by Hannah Kaner, where the main character (MC)—presumed dead by the other characters—regains consciousness and prepares to continue on her quest.

Setting the expectation of progression. This can be through:

Time: The MC gets older, usually by a year. Think the Percy Jackson & the Olympians series by Rick Riordan, where the next book is the next year at camp. Or just any series where the MC needs to progress through grade levels at school, etc.

Life milestones: Yes, this technically falls under “time,” but I made it separate because the mental/emotional stakes are a little different. The MC or MCs achieve a life goal in one work, with the expectation that another life goal will be the focus of the sequel. This happens in Shrek, where the happily ever after is achieved (relationship-wise = the marriage to true love), and leads into Shrek 2, where the MC’s focus is on keeping or making the happily ever after work (a.k.a. actual married life post-honeymoon phase).

These are just a couple of techniques that came to mind. Feel free to share others you can think of in the comments!

An exception to the sequel lead-in

An exception to the sequel lead-in is the mystery genre, whodunits especially. Think of detective characters like Sherlock Holmes, Hercule Poirot, or Benoit Blanc (from the Knives Out movies)—they don’t tend to experience the kind of character arc we expect in most fiction. These characters are brilliant investigators who don’t usually experience any internal change; instead, they’re placed at the scene of a new crime or mystery to solve. We’re less concerned about learning to care about the detective character, and more interested in finding out how the victim over there ended up with a knife in his back when the room is sealed and there isn’t a blade in sight.

That’s not to say mystery novels can’t have MCs with character arcs (Vera Vixen from the Shady Hollow series comes to mind). It’s just not as much of an expectation for them.

We’ll stop here for this post. Stay tuned for future discussions about sequels!

Now, onto a couple of announcements.

New posting schedule

Due to changes in my work schedule, The Writer’s Corner will be updating every other week!

#RevPit 2024: #MeetTheEditors

This week, all participating #RevPit editors will be hosting live chat sessions on Reddit so authors can get to know them! I’ll be hosting my session this Thursday, March 7, at 6 p.m. ET. Even if you’re not participating in #RevPit 2024, please feel free to drop in!

If you’re looking for an editor, this session is a great way to learn more about me, and to see if we’ll work well together! I’m interested in working with authors of:

Fantasy

Dark Fantasy

Science Fiction

Horror

though I’ve also worked on cozy mysteries too. I’m open to working in most genres if an author and I fit well together, so please get in touch if you’re interested in working with me!

Send me an email!

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I’m still not too familiar with Reddit, and I’m equal parts excited and nervous about my session. As a sort of icebreaker, I plan to have this small LEGO built by Thursday.

Photo of LEGO 40463 Easter Bunny box.

Alt text: Photo of LEGO 40463 Easter Bunny box. A small build with a cute brown bunny next to 2 easter eggs and small flowers on a green base.

I’ll share pics of the finished build during my Meet the Editor session!

I hope to chat with some of you on Thursday! 😊

Best,

Leah

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