#glaciator 2 is really gonna have it all

[immaturityofthomasastruc]

Unpopular opinion: The narrative favors MARINETTE over everyone else, so get over yourselves if you think Adrien is being coddled or everyone else is not punished enough.

If it seems like she's being blamed for shit she didn't do, that's the narrative forcing the plot to center around her instead of someone else. If she does something that actually warrants punishment like stalking Adrien or leading Luka on, it gets brushed to the side. If she goes out of her way to snoop somewhere she doesn't belong like say, the Agreste Mansion, that's the narrative shoehorning her in instead of giving screentime to characters who needed it more like everyone who was already at the exclusive party (not just Adrien, but Kagami and Chloe too. Them along with Felix were in the same room and it's a waste the narrative didn't do shit with it). Marinette always "learns" the lesson of the day because she's the PROTAGONIST. If someone else were to learn their lesson, that's taking away from Marinette and the show doesn't allow that. If people like Chat Noir or Alya or Fu seem incompetent, it's because they needed to nerf everyone else to make Marinette shine because this is supposed to be her show and Marinette needs to be the most powerful piece in the board. If it seems like Adrien is doing nothing, it's because the show doesn't know what to do with him outside of being Marinette's trophy. He has to be "perfect" if he's gonna be a good prize, so the narrative pretends he is and ignores his less than pleasant sides. His actions ultimately don't matter. He can save the world from a giant pastry and it's just gonna be a footnote in the episode. He can "get away" with shit cause the spotlight refuses to hang around him long enough for it to bite him in the ass. He has no real power within the narrative. Everyone else has even less than him. They matter less than him. It's why the narrative doesnt say shit about your saint Luka for lying to Marinette's face about him knowing her secret identity.

It's always Marinette who has development and agency and power and can make a difference. She's not the martyr you like to paint her as. She has everything, the good, the bad and the ugly.

(The post this anon is referring to)

Okay, I will once again admit that I really phrased my response to that ask in a terrible way, and once again, I apologize for that bad take saying he was worse than Chloe and Lila combined, but I still stand by my claim that the show doesn’t call Adrien out for the things that he does compared to Marinette getting punished or blamed for every little thing she does.

Are you really going to ignore every single terrible thing Adrien has done while acting like Marinette is the real bad guy here? If not, here’s a recap of the things Adrien did in Season 4 alone...

He actively slacked off on his duties and got excited at the idea of someone almost getting akumatized, in addition to disregarding the responsibilities Ladybug now has as Guardian (Lies)

He repeatedly disobeyed orders for petty and selfish reasons (Lies, Sentibubbler, Wishmaker, Strikeback)

He refused to understand the boundaries Ladybug placed regarding their relationship (Glaciator 2)

He almost harmed innocent people, intentionally and unintentionally (Hack-San, Rocketear)

He got himself captured or brainwashed by an Akuma (Mr. Pigeon 72, Mega Lech, Guiltrip, Ephemeral, Penalteam)

He literally gave up being a superhero and left Ladybug to deal with the fallout (Kuro Neko)

He talked shit about her behind her back because he was left out of certain discussions and plans like the identities of the temp heroes, but as soon as she had no other allies, he acted like he always cared about Ladybug’s best interests. Oh yeah, and before that, he even whined about Ladybug not always trusting him WHILE SHE WAS HAVING A FUCKING PANIC ATTACK, FULLY AWARE SHE DIDN’T KNOW HE WAS CAT NOIR. (Strikeback)

And here’s all the stuff Marinette has had to go through in Season 4...

She wasn’t able to enjoy her relationship with Luka thanks to the growing amount of responsibilities in her superhero life (Truth)

She was yelled at by another Guardian who did nothing to actually help her (Furious Fu, Ephemeral)

She was shamed by Mylene for not doing enough to help the environment because I guess saving lives as Ladybug didn’t count (Mega Leech)

She had to deal with nightmares about losing to Shadowmoth (Sentibubbler)

She blamed herself for her mother getting arrested by a bunch of aggressive cops (Qilin)

She was influenced by her Kwami’s severe case of the munchies that she couldn’t control at all (Dearest Family)

She worked herself ragged trying to find a replacement for Cat Noir after being left high and dry by him (Kuro Neko)

And after learning her best friend went behind her back to not lose her boyfriend (Rocketear) she lost all of the Miraculous, and by extension, all of her other allies after being stabbed in the back by someone she thought she could trust while simultaneously being shamed for not trusting people, and need I mention the panic attack again? (Strikeback)

That’s not even getting into the routine stress of always needing to save the day while Cat Noir either slacks off in battle or sacrifices himself on a whim because he thinks her angry face is cute (Lies), or the fact that once she retires as Guardian, she’ll lose all of her memories relating to the Miraculous and her life as Ladybug (Miracle Queen).

After all that, you think Adrien has it harder? Adrien, the person who routinely screws around while lives are at risk, never takes responsibility for his actions, and will threaten to quit if he doesn’t get exactly what he wants, if he isn’t throwing hissy fits first? You think he has it harder than Marinette?

I get I said something stupid about how bad I think Adrien is, but you can’t act like he’s entirely blameless in this situation.

#immaturity of thomas astruc #iota #miraculous ladybug #miraculous ladybug salt #ml salt #adrien agreste #cat noir #chat noir #marinette dupain cheng #ladybug

[gale-gentlepenguin]

Not sure if it has been done but Glaciator 2...

Gale poorly explains: Glaciator 2

(Paris having all of the ads now have LADYNOIR KISS) Ladybug: WE ARENT A COUPLE!

Chat noir: But we do look cute

Ladybug: Oh no I forgot, I need to take out the trash (Yeets Chat noir into trash bin

(Decimates Glaciator then yeets trash can on roof)

Ladybug: (Annoyed) So what were you saying earlier?!

Chat noir: Okay I over stepped with a joke when you werent in the mood. To apologize I will just stop flirting and just move one. I am sorry

Ladybug: (Still angry) Good

(Cue depressed adrien montage)

Alya: You cant make me delete my babies

Marinette: Do it.

Alya: (Removes all the ladynoir photos)

(More depression)

Shadowmoth: Oh damn there is a MEGA DEPRESSED KID. I gotta capitlize on th... its adrien. Wow, what a mood killer. He should be home anyway.

_____________________________________________________________

Marinette: GASP! DEPRESSED ADRIEN! I GOTTA CAPITALIZE ON THIS. I need to find the gift for this occasion.

Adrien: Oh hey marinette.

Marinette (Dream mode): I got this for you

Adrien: A pottery wheel?

Marinette: NO! WRONG GIFT. (Yeets in trash and runs)

Adrien: Marinette's right, I need to throw out my feelings.

(Kagami pulls Marinette into car)

Kagami: Your attempts to seduce adrien are garbage

Marinette: The f***

Kagami: You need a practice boy, There are books about it (hides manga)

Marinette: Thats actually a really smart idea

________________________________________________________

Gabriel: Hey Son... are you okay?

Adrien: Yes father.

Gabriel: Okay good.

(Adrien leaves)

Gabriel: I am gonna treat myself for being such a caring father. (Places father of the year mug on standing desk)

Adrien: Okay I need to obliterate every billboard in Paris, the last thing I want to become is my father.

_________________________________________________________

Marinette: Oh look, its chat noir. Since he is so in love with Ladybug he would be the perfect person to practice on

Tikki: (the only one aware of the f***ed up situation) why is he here though

Marinette: Cats like rooftops. HERE KITTY KITTY

Chat noir: Marinette? Whats up?

Marinette: I need to confess to you

Chat noir: But I am not in love with anyone.

Marinette: (missing his internal crisis) Perfect I can use you as practice.

Chat noir: Okay

(Cue cringe confession)

Chat noir: That is cringe

Marinette: Really? You of all people calling it cringe?

Chat noir: (Proves why its cringe)

Marinette: Damn it, youre right, want to take a break.

Chat noir: Im down

(Cue not date that Andre ice cream man thinks is date)

Marinette: Heartfelt explanation on why its hard to confess

Chat noir: Heartfelt explanation on feelings for ladybug

(Umbrella scene)

Andre: as Ladynoir trash I MUST RECTIFY THIS INJUSTICE!

Glaciator: THIS IS A NOTP!

Chat noir: Marinette go hide.

(Cue car chase)

Chat noir: Ah Ladybug, my associate who I fight crime with

Ladybug: Okay I am going to need you to cut that s*** out right the f*** now.

Chat noir: But you said.

Ladybug: Look, I just want you to not push things when I tell you to stop. If its too much, I will let you know. If I say stop, you stop. Deal?

Chat noir: That is reasonable and probably should have been said 10 minutes ago, you know how the salters are

Ladybug: Just drive

(Glaciator is defeated)

__________________________________________________________

Adrien: So I learned I shouldnt give up on Ladybug, but I should probably ease up on the jokes about being shipped with her

Plagg: Probably

__________________________________________________________

Kagami: Marinette MY PLAN WAS BAD! I JUST FINISHED THE MANGA AND...

Marinette: Manga? Did you seriously use manga as a reference for real life.

Kagami:... Yes

Marinette: You sweet summer child, dont do that again. This is the real world not a manga or tv show

____________________________________________________________

BONUS:

Nathalie: Sir, a Mr. Kubdel is calling about a mug you stole

Gabriel: Tell him to f*** off

#ml #miraculous ladybug #glaciator 2 #gale poorly explains

[flightfoot]

I really like how carefully they’re dealing with consent this episode. And how complicated it can be a scenario’s like this. Even in a mutual consenting relationship Chat Noir worries about both the power dynamics and fake identity. He loves Marinette but won’t date he because she specifically said she doesn’t love Adrien.

I thinks it’s important though exaggerated that Chat Noir’s number 1 priority has always been boundaries and transparency of his relationship with his favorite girls.

I'd say that as far as boundaries go, Chat's attempted to keep inside boundaries because he would never want to actually hurt Marinette or Ladybug, he just hasn't always been successful because well... his feelings are strong and he's had trouble managing them, same as how Marinette's had trouble managing her own feelings for Adrien. He has gotten a better handle of them recently though, back with Glaciator 2 and establishing boundaries more explicitly.

Sadly, transparency is always gonna be pretty shaky, what with the whole superhero angle.

I think with Adrien, the deal is that he values Marinette's and Ladybug's, the people he cares about, their wellbeing and happiness. He doesn't want to hurt them. After all the social experiences he's had (along with some stumbles) he's getting better at figuring out how to interact with them respectfully, carefully, while having very strong feelings for them. Marinette's actually gotten better on that front as well, since, while she's lamented making mistakes because of her strong romantic feelings for Adrien, she hasn't actually hurt anyone because of them since season 3 - she's made mistakes, but she's gotten a better hold of herself.

#ask #adrien agreste #marinette dupain cheng #ml exaltation #ml spoilers #ml analysis #miraculous ladybug

[black-rose-writings]

MLB - Season 4 - Episode 15

Glaciator 2

I'm still giggling about ShadowMoth's coffee from the last episode.

"But, but context!"

She threw him in the trash. Rude.

People are way too concerned about the love-lives of these fucking teenagers. Jesus Christ.

Oh no you don't. Sir. Sir, this is not how to help your kid with a heartbreak. Sir, sir, think long and hard about this. I know wearing two Miraculous at once all the time is turning your brain into fucking soup, but stop and think for at least a minute. He stopped. He called his body guard. And then went through with it anyway like the fucking idiot he is.

Marinette, your daydreaming is also getting out of control. And you're not even constantly wearing two Miraculous to have an excuse.

Wait, now I'm confused. Did he call the akuma off or no? Well, at least he's trying to be actually normal about it.

Marinette: "Is that an inuendo? Because that sounded like an inuendo."

"Isn't practice flirting with a friend a little weird?" "Says you."

He's dealing with this... very normally. Very Agreste of him. Even Plagg is concerned.

Marinette... is also being very normal about this. I don't want to say they are perfect for each other, but damn if they don't share one brain cell that's being kept safe by Tikki most of the time because they would lose it completely otherwise.

Marinette, why are you yelling at him. Because you're frustrate, I know, but girl... take a chill pill.

So I guess good for the Marichat people?

Ugh, movie-talkers.

Look at these two dorks.

André is gonna get akumatized again because of Lovesquare shenanigans. I'm sure some people feel that. Not me. I don't really get that invested in ships, though the lovequare is particularly frustrating.

See, this is why Tikki needs to hold onto the braincell.

I'm still impressed how good the nighttime scenes look.

Mr. Kitty Cat, do you have a driver's licence? You're like 14, so I assume no.

Also, this would have never happened if he wasn't polyphobic.

She read it in a manga. Lol.

"Girl, go touch grass."

#miraculous ladybug #catching up on mlb

[theytistic]

Are that any MLB characters that WON'T appear in any way in your AU? (You mentioned Marinette is not in Paris, does that mean she'll not even appear? Or will she switch places with zoe/Have went do NY because of the fashion career Audrey has offered her?)

Also, You mentioned something about keeping the specials. Are you gonna keep all of them? Are you including all the special characters? And most importantly, are you keeping the Prodigious and the heroes of NY or are you changing that?

And will you only use the main miracle box, or will you somehow plan/write other boxes as well (like the NY one)?

There are some I wish I didn't put in, like Andre (Glaciator) or Marinette's grandfather (Bakerix), and they might appear, but some of them wouldn't be very relevant, I think they'd still have to appear even minimally. Oh, the guy of Action, he definitly will not appear. About Marinette, she'll appear, but not at the beginning of the comic, since she went to Shanghai, the most I can say is that apart from being nothing to do with fashion, it was more like therapy than a hobby, apart from her meeting Fei. Oh, and Zoé is in Paris, sort of a "supervisor" for Chloé. And about the part of me saying that Derision is canonical, I'm only referring to the flashback part, because, even if the characters are 2 years older, I'm considering the beginning of the origins as the beginning of the comic, so what happened to Marinette in this ep, that originally she would have been 12 years old, happened with her being 14/15 years old (I'm sorry for leaving this information a bit ambiguous).

Regarding the specials, I was referring to the specials I created "chaotic weekend" and "worst choices" (again sorry for leaving it ambiguous), I can't say much about them, as for the official specials, I can even fit them into the story, really, it would work very well for the development of some characters, thanks for the idea! If I were to put it in, the only one I wouldn't put in would be the one in Paris/the reverse, because considering the powers of miraculous, at least in this universe, it wouldn't be possible to see the villainous holders. About the prodigious, I can see it happening, of course with a big change in the story, and a bit of how it works, as well as the change in appearance, not to mention that Kwami guardian, I would love to use, but that will be a bit later for me to define these new specials. No kidding, but I hate the way they did the New York special, everyone is a hero? No secret identity? With powers? It's nice that they established the idea that there are other jewels, and it's nice that they showed that there aren't just miraculous, like in the case of prodigious, but now, you can just born with powers, that's something that really bothers me, most of them have powers, I'll see what I can do about it, but depending, I'll create new jewels or miraculous to justify it. Obs: if the Brazil special comes out and I like it, maybe I'll put in.

My initial idea is only for the main box, which in the story is just a cluster of "domains", being separated into Yin-Yang, Elementals and Zodiac. Well… about other boxes and miraculous, it would depend a lot, as I said, the case of NY, maybe, outside of that, I doubt it very much, but maybe, who knows.

#miraculous au #miraculous ladybug #miraculous dimensional error au #au #ask #miraculous ideas #spoiler #mlb special #mlbde special #my special ideas

[purrincess-chat]

4 seasons rooting for the ls to get together and now that there are finally together, people STILL have problems?????

I keep seeing people say that Ladynoir was ruined and that the entire ladynoir conflict in s4 was pointless if they weren't going to be together.

again this goes without saying, but how can ml, a superhero romcom show be forcing allonormativity by having the leads get together? Was it going to be any different had it been Ladynoir? Of course not.

Yeah, I've come to the conclusion that a lot of people didn't get the same literary analysis training that I did in high school. Like ML doesn't have the most airtight writing all the time, but I'm pretty sure the whole point of the s4 conflict was so they would be platonic this season... Like that became super clear to me looking back at Glaciator 2 after this season.

And of course, all of these people forget that they literally are together. I saw someone crying in the tag the other day about how they were pissed because their ship sank (MC) so another could run (adrinette). And I'm like, babe 🤦‍♀️ That's not how the love square works. I don't know what to tell these people. It's opinions like that that make me realize we don't deserve the reveal bc people don't know how to act 😂 Like how dare the show that has been propping up a m/f relationship since day 1 finally let that m/f ship get together. People are really gonna say they didn't see that coming? Idk what people were expecting. 😂😅

#ml spoilers #cat replies #asks #s5 discourse

[just-honey-dewd]

Discussing Ship Dynamics and the outcome of Marichat in this episode (Elation spoilers)

So after watching Elation, I’m just wondering is next episode gonna be the episode where it’s Adrinette but no one interferes or forces them into some enclosed space to achieve nothing? Cuz legit Ladynoir has had compelling (if not drawn out) development between their boundaries and understanding of each other, and Marichat just got blown so far outta the best gal pals idealised dynamic I wanted in my dreams into such angst that deserves its own rant — so we’re basically being cornered into Adrinette since Adrien has always been more resolute in his feelings, and Ladynoir’s exchange during Elation feels like the understandable place to extinguish any pursuement of romance between this combination of aliases.

I think a significant thing to note is that these two don’t come off of this interaction on the same page. Marinette seems to have resigned herself to the perceived loss of any way to be with Chat Noir: since he confirms that he only has eyes for Marinette, but he knows the power dynamic is unbalanced so he can’t pursue a romance with her as CN (he tries to imply to her that there could be hope if they met as civilians, but he fails to communicate it to her). Marinette at this point is at her wit’s end, and manages to hold out in saying goodbye to CN, before crumpling once he’s finally out of earshot. Because yeah, she legit doesn’t want to perceive Adrien as an option because she believed it was her love specifically for Adrien that made her so incompetent — but this episode leads her to the conclusion that any love she harbours will lead her and-or others to ruin.

It’s not really blatantly stated in this episode, but Marinette has a long running habit of perceiving the worst case scenarios, and sometimes blowing things out of proportion — but she directly experiences almost being akumatized because she pursued her own happiness in her love for CN. She’s traumatised as all hell: 1) CN can’t know she’s LB because… Chat Blanc: 2) She can’t entertain being with Adrien because she thinks her love for him indirectly made her lose her rational judgement (even though anyone coulda mistaken Felix for Adrien honestly, and she was in a time crunch): 3) NOW she can’t even perceive being with CN because she was emotionally vulnerable enough to get akumatized. So to her, she’s basically out of options. Love makes her vulnerable, and pursuing romance is out of the question. She was able to stay strong when she was standing as LB during the fight, and saying her goodbyes to CN as Marinette. She seems to have gotten way better at compartimentilizing her feelings. But yeah, she’s brought to tears the last scene we see her.

Adrien has more hope because he is quite an optimist at heart — which is why he frequently finds himself disappointed when he lets himself believe in the good will of his father. In this episode many things have been conveyed to him in a short span of time. 1) Marinette “still” likes him as CN (who he’s long since perceived as his “true” self): 2) Marinette insists she likes him beyond the mask (even though he can’t truly understand the weight of that statement coming from her): 3) Marinette has long since loved him as Adrien (and hopefully it clicks in his head that this was the secret boy she was heartaching over in Glaciator 2.0).

There’s a lot of eye-opening things going on for him. And CN has truly resolved his feelings for LB so he really only wants to consider being with Marinette. Marinette helped him speak out against his father, has supported him in his civilian and sometimes even hero life, and has shown time and time again to want nothing more than for him to be happy. And she’s the only person (aside from Plagg) that got him comfortable enough to confide to her.

What happened between them in this episode cemented it to him that if he ever wanted to pursue her, he’s gotta do it as Adrien. Plagg gave him enough hope for him to fall back into “Oh of course! She loved me as Adrien before, it’s not hopeless!” She’s never properly resolved her feelings with Adrien, she’s only been avoiding them.

So what this all conveys is that next episode… really better not pull the bs of having other characters force them together with Marinette clawing at the walls. I kinda miss what happened in Gamer all the way back. Just let them vibe. Or idk, do whatever it is they might be doing together in the next episode.

I’m surprised I had this much to say about ML, but I appreciate it if you read through all this. Have a good one!

#my posts #miraculous ladybug #ml s5 spoilers #elation #exaltation #marichat

[ladyofthenoodle]

i feel like if people were fine with Ladybug punching Felix in Felix for crossing a line, then they should also find it justified in throwing chat noir into a bin in glaciator 2. Not saying they are the exact same situations or both guys did it with the same intent, but they are "Ladybug draws a line when feeling bothered by inappropriate behaviour"

i get where you’re coming from and while i do think that a lot of fan reactions to these scenes is informed by their attachment to the character in question, i’m not sure i can fully agree with you here. like yeah she is drawing a line in both scenes, but punching félix was an intentional response to him intentionally and very physically crossing her boundaries. she had no reason to believe that he was gonna stop unless she physically stopped him herself and so that scene, to me, is an example of self defense in response to an actual assault.

with chat noir, yes, his behavior (egging on the shippers) was inappropriate and bothered her, but she never had any reason to believe she’d need to physically enforce her boundaries. and she clearly doesn’t believe that, considering how she acts for the rest of the episode. she was also very much not thinking clearly during that scene (as evidenced by her not giving andre a charm). so her throwing him into a trash bin was more lashing out on impulse at your friend for being annoying. so i don’t really think the scenes are all that comparable.

idk, i am always happy to defend my girl and i don’t agree with the salt towards her for that scene, but i’m just not ready to go as far as saying people can’t have a problem on the basis that they didn’t have a problem with her punching félix

#miraculous ladybug #ask

[justplaggin]

chat: m'lady? is that a

chat: *side glance*

chat: bug-atti

#oh to be 14 again #night drifting on the boulevards in your spotted racecar #glaciator 2 is really gonna have it all #miraculous ladybug #ml glaciator 2 #ml

[crocojagged]

This is a follow-up to my last post on Alyadrien. I ended up not rewatching Rocketear before the Hack-San English dub came out, but I think that worked out better for this.

If I remember correctly Alya never says point-blank that she doesn't like Chat Noir, so that will be interesting to look out for because there have been slight hints of her having a crush on him since all the way back in the Pharaoh episode of Season 1 (see this post).

Now that I have watched it I have some thoughts, so let's break it down.

"Are you insane?! I already have a boyfriend!"

We've got deflection and pulling the boyfriend card, but no actual denial of feelings.

"And FYI, with him it's not just [small heart], it's more like [big heart]."

So you do have small heart feelings for Chat Noir?

"Sorry, Chat Noir, but my Nino is a thousand times more irresistible than you."

So there is a baseline level of irresistible that Chat Noir is to you that Nino surpasses?

"Besides, I don't really know your real identity, and I could never fall for someone I didn't really know."

This immediately begs the question what would Alya think if she found out Chat Noir is Adrien? We are gonna put a pin in that for now.

The main things I find interesting from this convo are that Alya never actually denies having feelings for Chat Noir, and that she loves Nino way too much for her to act on whatever latent feelings that she may have. Both Adrien and Alya care wayyy too much about Nino to hurt him this way.

Here's where things get ... interesting. We know from Ephemeral that nobody is supposed to know both Chat Noir and Ladybug's identity because it is too dangerous, but Luka currently does. It seems plausible that Alya could find out Adrien is Chat Noir by the end of the season, since she already knows Marinette is Ladybug, and that would put her and Luka in a similar position of knowing both identities.

Luka very clearly still loves Marinette from what we have seen in Crocoduel, Wishmaker, and Ephemeral. We do not see this in Kagami's interactions with Adrien in Mr. Pigeon 72, Gabriel Agreste and Glaciator 2. She cares for Adrien's well-being, but she no longer has feelings for him.

So if they revisit love square rivals, as it has been hinted a bit with Lukanette and that one line from a recent interview, I think the other "rivalry" in question will be Alyadrien and not Adrigami. If that seems like a stretch let's consider some relevant events in the latter half of season 4 except we only call everyone by their real first name:

Glaciator 2: Adrien is fully rejected by Marinette and he stops flirting with her.

Hack-San: Alya is Marinette's temporary replacement and fights alongside Adrien. She is in the role normally filled by the love of his life.

Rocketear: Alya and Adrien are paired together in a movie portraying them. Nino fears Alya is cheating on him with Adrien. Adrien checks on Alya to make sure she doesn't have feelings for him and later finds out that Alya is also a superhero that he has flirted with before.

Qilin: Alya maybe loses her miraculous??? This is based on what can be gleaned from the visuals of Dearest Family (no kwami pack) and Ephemeral (Trixx near the sewing box), so there's still a lot unclear, but this seems like it will be relevant.

The interactions these two have when it's laid out this way and not obscured by the identity shenanigans sure are something. Imagine how awkward they would feel if Alya found out his identity and Adrien found out she was also Scarabella.

The biggest point against something happening is Alya and Nino's relationship. It's hard to imagine them breaking up at all, and it's even harder to imagine anything happening between Alya and Adrien while they're still together. Maybe they break up because of Nino revealing her identity in Rocketear. Otherwise I have no clue as it would likely be from an episode we don't have yet.

But perhaps these aren't meant to be proper love rivalries at all. Maybe it's more about getting closer with someone in a kind of ambiguous but mostly friendship way. This would line up with what we have seen of Lukanette and Alyadrien interactions this season as well.

I could see Alya and Adrien getting closer if Alya finds out his identity, and I could see her being a really important support to him as Chat Noir. We see this in Hack-San when she tells Marinette to talk to him after the fight because she could tell from the insecurities he expressed in his anger that he needed it. People have said before that Adrien doesn't need the same kind of support in his civilian life that Marinette does, but he is struggling a lot with his role as Chat Noir this season. He thinks he's not needed on the team, he doubts whether Ladybug trusts him, and he wonders why she keeps information from him. Who better to help with this than Ladybug's current confidante?

#miraculous ladybug #alyadrien #rocketear #ephemeral #ml spoilers #gabriel agreste episode #adrien agreste #alya cesaire #im sorry this grew way beyond what it was supposed to be #originally it was gonna just be 'haha she has a little crush on him' #and then this happened #feeling like the i connected the dots meme #i've edited and re-edited this sm but i think i will finally let this be done even if it's completely wrong #ml analysis

[emsylcatac]

That Adrien body language post you reblogged reminded me - the other day I watched a video where someone who wasn't very familiar with Miraculous watched seasons 1-3. Not sure why they didn't watch any S4 episodes (fairly new vid, only a couple days old). Anyway, my point, they seemed to think that Gabriel was getting character development from those few scenes where he's shown hugging Adrien, and somehow missed basically all of Chat Blanc despite showing clips. Kinda saddens me, honestly.

Well, they're right on one thing: it is character development as they're showing more and more and developing one of Gabriel's trait when it comes to his relationship with Adrien: it's called manipulation :D

More seriously (wait no I was serious actually), if I recall from the top of my head the scenes where Gabriel hugs Adrien from season 1 to 3 we have:

Simon Says: manipulation, and he's eyeing his ring

The collector: Adrien's the one to hug him so doesn't count (especially after the manipulative stunt he pulled on him)

Gorizilla: not exactly a hug but def 100%%% manipulation after suspecting Adrien was Chat Noir

Captain Hardrock: Adrien's the one to hug him so doesn't count

Queen Wasp: public image; even if he thought about stopping Hawkmoth for like, one second, he went back to business at the first opportunity and didn't care about Adrien into this at all

And that's...all I can recall???

And if we go into season 4 and that one scene in Glaciator 2, as I said before Gabriel noticed something was wrong with Adrien because he was looking for someone to akumatised. Not because he was looking after his son, and that speaks volume (also we now know he's gonna akumatise him again anyway so long so he can get what he wants, so really nothing to excuse there at all)

#ask #anon #ml spoilers #glaciator 2 #glaciator 2 spoilers #ephemeral #ephemeral spoilers

[miraculouscontent]

Anonymous asked:

Adrien stans are gonna lap up the Adrien pity party after Kuro Neko.

Oh, I’m sure.

jennycinco-5 asked:

*sigh* So the Synopsis of Glaciator 2 come out and I can conclude this episode indeed will be another attempt to make fans love LS (because LS shipper love the ice-cream guy right~ since they always bring his Ice cream as prove that LS is "MaDe FoR EacH Oth3rs" ) and kill Lukanette by making Marichat moment where Marinette will confess about "A boy that she secretly in love" 🙄

“kill Lukanette” lol like their last, what, three/four attempts?

They try and continuously fail pfft.

jennycinco-5 asked:

Of course this will be another episode when Marinette get blamed (again) for rejecting Cat since he can't be wrong 🙄

*deep sigh*

Anonymous asked:

From the Glaciator 2 synopsis: “…As he tries to figure out how to stop bothering his lady with his feelings…”

JUST ACCEPT THAT SHE’S NOT INTERESTED. SHE SAID ‘NO’. MOVE ON.

(the tweet/confirmation in question)

“Ladybug and Cat Noir are in front of Glaciator 2, who's trying to convince the heroes that they're in love, to which Cat Noir agrees. Ladybug reminds him that they aren't together and that his insistence annoys her. After they defeat the villain, Cat Noir reflects while looking for a way to stop bothering his lady with his feelings. He bumps into Marinette,who is also looking for someone to help her rehearse how to tell a boy that she likes him.”

“Chat Noir reflects”

sure, jan (also, I feel like I saw a bad fanfic synopsis that went exactly like this)

This reminds me of those stans who were like no no, but see?? in episodes after 15, he’s not really flirting so he probably stops here!! you can’t complain now!

Like, missing the point that this both confirms that either Ladybug is bothered by it (inb4 the writing will make Ladybug “miss” all that nonconsensual flirting and the hand kisses that she kept pulling away from) and also that it took four damn seasons to get here.

So yes, we very much have a right to complain because it shouldn’t take Ladybug snapping at Chat Noir to get here. He legit tried to kiss her in “Weredad” instead of helping her, leading to her being flung away and Marinette’s room got destroyed soon after (which Chat didn’t even care about).

She yelled at him for almost making her Lucky Charm fail and for him to stop calling her “Bugaboo” in “Reflekdoll,” nothing.

He slacked off in “Oblivio” which got them hit and their identities almost found out, she yelled at him about calling them a couple and he chuckled.

Excuse us if all the good will has been burned away by now.

#category: salt #other: ask and answer #other: ml spoilers

[nikz-artea]

In Dearest Family, I noticed there is a significant lack of flirting between Chat Noir and Ladybug. I'm sure, this originates from the Glaciator 2 but because there is limited interaction of the duo in Hack-san, Rocketear, and Wishmaker, not to mention they are childish for the most part in Simpleman, so it's not that obvious.

However, in Dearest Family, they are back on their dynamics. Although, Ladybug is distracted by Tikki's craving of gallete, she is still in control of her mind. They are having normal conversations, fighting with synchronicity only both of them have and are even having playful banter.

My point is, they are still on the same wavelength. There is no anger or rift or impending argument between them and maybe, there never was.

The fact that Chat's treatment of Ladybug is different in this episode isn't a proof of their fallout. If anything, it proves his utter respect and love for her.

Allow me to make the connection of Glaciator 2 to his behavior now.

Glaciator 2's leaked script (which I suppose, happens in the early part of the episode) shows her snapping at Chat. It isn't the first time she is angry with him especially when his jokes and flirting gets in the way of their fight but what makes the scene different from others is Chat's reaction. He realizes showing his affections to her is doing more harm than good. And normally, Ladybug won't be so bothered by it because she flirts back sometimes. I'm thinking, she's also stressed and frustrated because the image of them kissing is plastered all over Paris and she's worried of their future relationships. (It's just my take on the script, I may be wrong.)

Chat explains to Ladybug that his love is so great that he couldn't stop himself from expressing his affections for her and that he didn't know how to control it. Something may have happened that their misunderstanding isn't cleared right there and then. He thinks, Ladybug is angry and possibly, hates him. So he takes a moment to rethink the situation. Ladybug loves another boy and his actions may make her uncomfortable. But he loves her so, what is the best way to show his love without making her feel uncomfortable?

While he is contemplating the answer, he bumps into Marinette who wants to rehearse her confession and they had the time of their lives while also learning from each other. Chat is courageous and open about his affections while Marinette often hides her feelings so it's safe to say that she's in control of it. Maybe at the end of the episode, the misunderstanding is cleared because really Ladybug can't stay angry at Chat even if she wants to.

Marinette's progress is shown in Wishmaker first, because she's not as much of a nervous wreck as before (though some of it could be due to Luka's presence who her offers support) and her near confession to Adrien in Simpleman.

But in Chat's case, his progress is shown in both Wishmaker and Dearest Family. Both episodes show him not flirting with her at all. In Dearest Family, there is a playful banter but no flirtatious attitude is used. And near the end of the episode, he asks her, Asks Her, giving her the option of rejecting or accepting him.

"Since I'm the King, want to be my Queen, Ladybug?"

Like, it's so sweet of him. He realizes the best way to show his love for Ladybug is to respect her words even if it means stopping any acts of affection. He just proves how much he loves her.

Now, if it's Season 1-3 Chat Noir, I'm pretty sure he'll outright proclaim her as his Queen. But not Season 4 Chat Noir. Not because he doesn't love her as much before, it's just he's learning what real love is all about and by this proof alone I can tell he's 100 times a better man than his father and you can't tell me otherwise.

So, for those who are waiting for a LadyNoir fallout due to Glaciator 2, I think it's not gonna happen.

#miraculous ladybug #miraculoustalesofladybugandcatnoir #ml spoilers #miraculous ladybug spoilers #dearest family #glaciator 2 #miraculous meta #ladynoir #it's 5:30 am and I haven't slept a wink thinking about this and how great their growth are in this season. like season 4 is the best imo #it's the season of pain. mistakes. healing and learning. it shows everyone one of them is capable of making wrong choices and learn from it #also. Chat is so sweet. get yourselves a Chat Noir y'all. someone who loves you enough to respect your words but never stop loving you

[flightfoot]

may I ask about your opinion on the ladynoir conflict ?

I think it's a pretty interesting conflict, stemming from ingrained character traits that we've seen over the course of the show. It's not perfectly well-done - I'm still trying to figure out how much Chat Blanc is influencing Marinette's fears and actions, considering that she had a nightmare with him back in Sentibubbler, yet revealed her identity to Adrien in Ephemeral without seeming to consider Chat Blanc at all. But it's fueled a lot of discussion for a reason.

At this point, I don't think a simple discussion will solve the issue. Chat just telling Ladybug that he hates being left out of the loop and that he doesn't feel like she needs or trusts him anymore isn't going to be enough. He's told Ladybug that he hates being left out of the loop, and while she's tried to fix the immediate issues (with Syren, pushing Fu to talk to Chat, and in Hack-san, validating him potentially being upset about her not telling him she told someone else), and will comfort him if he's down, tell him he's valued, (Guiltrip comes to mind), it hasn't really gotten to the core of the issue.

Chat getting to the point where he can tell Ladybug how he's feeling and what he's been seeing would be a good step, but well... he also has to feel like she will take him seriously if he does and to try to change things. He has to trust her in order to open up to her, and that trust's been severely strained - especially in Rocketear.

On Marinette's end, she's gonna have to have some major character development. She likes Chat and cares about him, but judging from her willingness to deceive and manipulate him in Ephemeral in order to get around the possibility of him not agreeing to tell someone besides her his identity especially, I don't think she fully, intuitively grasps that he's his own person with the right to know things that affect him and decide things for himself, along with having persistent, intense negative feelings that last beyond the immediate moment (Glaciator 2 comes to mind, with her dismissing Chat roaming around on rooftops, even after Tikki pointed out how weird that is. Pretty sure that was intentional in order to highlight this aspect of Marinette's character). Much like how it took a few episodes for Marinette to really grasp that Kagami is a person with feelings and her own viewpoint on the world, and isn't just an obstacle or a threat to her having a relationship with Adrien (Animaestro, arguably Backwarder, Ikari Gozen), she's going to need to have a similar realization when it comes to Chat Noir. Once she does, she'll put in the effort to fix it. She did with Kagami after all, and Kagami doesn't mean nearly as much to her as Chat Noir does. But she DOES need to have that realization first.

#ask #miraculous ladybug #ladynoir conflict #adrien agreste #marinette dupain cheng #ml analysis

[dragonbugsuperior]

Adrien's Manipulation and How He Manipulates

As you can see, I have spoken about the things the ml writers have done and attempted to get away with however I never dug deep into how manipulative Adrien is and how he has manipulated people. I have provided real transcripts from the episodes. You can look it up yourself they're there for everyone to see.

In Malediktator (season 2, episode 24) Chloe threatens to leave Paris, Mr. Bourgeois gets akumatized into Maledikator; invested with absolute power, he wants to make his daughter's dreams come true so that she stays with him. In the episode, Chloe announces that she's leaving Paris to the entire school and the students are thrilled. They were celebrating the fact that their school bully was leaving Paris. Including Marinette, who was also relieved to know her bully/tormentor was leaving Paris. The same girl who's been bullying Marinette for years.

Here's some real transcripts from the actual episodes

Chloé: (from the helicopter, through megaphone) Hey there, losers! I'm headed to New York with my mom. (throws flyers) I'm leaving you all behind in your pathetic little school and your pathetic little city. Adieu!

(Marinette picks up a flyer showing Chloé in front of the Statue of Liberty.)

Nino: Chloé's leaving?

Nathaniel: Forever?

Marinette: Looks like it.

Alya: Yeah.

(Everyone jumps in the air out of happiness; confetti appears out of thin air and there are fireworks for no reason at all. Everyone, including Mr. Damocles, dances and parties.)

Marinette: Without Chloé around, Paris will be filled with a lot less negative emotion!

Tikki: And less akumatizations.

(Adrien walks up to Marinette from behind.)

Adrien: Hey, what’s going on here? What are we celebrating?

Marinette: Chloé’s gone! She’s moving to New York!

Adrien: Chloé left…? For good?

Marinette: (still excited, not realizing that Adrien is not sharing everyone else’s enthusiasm) Yeah! Isn’t it great?

Adrien: Uh… no. I think it’s terrible! How can you celebrate a thing like that?

There

There's the manipulation. Adrien guilts Marinette for being happy that her tormentor is gone. He guilts her for being relieved to know that her school bully is leaving Paris. Not only did he make Marinette feel guilty for feeling the way that she did. But the episode also deems Marinette as if she's selfish for feeling glad that Chloe is gone. While Adrien completely invalidates Marinette's feelings, and does not take into consideration that Chloe has bullied and made Marinette's life a living hell for years. Adrien knows Chloe has been bullying Marinette for years and instead of letting her feel happy that her bully is gone he guilts her and shames her saying that she shouldn't be celebrating something like that. Not contemplating the fact that Marinette has been bullied, shamed, taunted, and tormented for years. All because Chloe's his childhood friend and she was his only friend. He continues to support Chloe, and guit-trips Marinette for being happy that her life-long bully is finally leaving, because he doesn’t care about how Chloe torments everyone in the class or how she’s literally abusing Sabrina, all he cares about is how her leaving affects him.

In Glaciator Chat Noir imposes a date with Ladybug.

Transcript

Cat Noir: So, uh, Ladybug? What would you say if you and I met up tonight for a little dinner? Rooftop style?

Ladybug: For dinner? As superheroes?

Cat Noir: Well, uh, yeah. That's right. We're only together when we're saving Paris. I mean, wouldn't you actually like to get to know one another?

Ladybug: I... That's so thoughtful of you, but I can't. I have to, uh, I already have plans with some friends.

Bus driver: (steps out of the bus and shakes hands with Cat Noir) Thank you. (shakes Ladybug's hand) Thank you, Ladybug.

Cat Noir: Well, if your plans end early, come and join me.

Ladybug: We'll see.

Cat Noir: I'll be waiting, my lady.

(Ladybug uses her yo-yo and leaves. Cat Noir smiles at her for a moment before he leaves too)

Ladybug tells Chat Noir that she has plans with friends, Chat Noir still insists that she comes if her plans end early. Ladybug never says yes to him nor does she confirm she will show up while he says he'll be waiting.

Alya, Nino, Marinette, and Adrien were planning on having a date together, Adrien lies to his friends and tells them that his father said he couldn't go. Actively upsetting them and ruining their date, because 'Oh! Poor Adrien couldn't make it!. The thing is-

Adrien could have made it.

He himself, chose not to.

He didn't even inform his father about going out with friends.

Adrien never mentions going out with friends to Gabriel. He never tells Nathalie nor the Gorilla anything just so he could prepare a date with Ladybug, who also never confirmed she was going on the date.

[Next transcript is very important to read]

(Adrien sighs before he takes out his phone to text Nino. He then checks the time)

Nathalie: There's no point in waiting for your father, Adrien. He'll be eating in his office.

Adrien: (stands up from his chair, quietly angry) Then what's the point of keeping me here if he's never gonna show up, Nathalie? (walks away to go to his room)

Nathalie: Don't forget to practice your piano before you go to bed.

He doesn't tell Nathalie or Gabriel. He tells Nino that he won't be able to make it because his father wouldn't allow him to, yet Adrien didn't even see Gabriel because he was in his office the entire time.

Scene: Adrien's room.

Plagg: You could've at least grabbed the piece of Camembert on that platter!

Adrien: (tosses a piece of Camembert to Plagg and he catches it) Fuel up, Plagg. (He turns on some piano music from his phone. He then places the phone on top of the real piano) Adrien may not be allowed out of the house, but Cat Noir is!

Adrien's off to his date with Ladybug, which she never agreed that she would come, lying to his friends and telling them that his father wouldn't let him go out with them.

Plagg: You seem in a hurry to get stood up.

Adrien: She didn't say she wasn't coming.

Plagg: But she didn't say she was either!

This is also important to take in mind, it doesn't matter if she didn't say wasn't coming, she also didn't say she was coming like Plagg said. She told him she had plans with her friends.

Scene: Trocadéro. Marinette meets up with her friends

Marinette: Hey, Alya!

Alya: Hey, Marinette! (Both she and Marinette kisses each other's cheeks)

Marinette: Where's Adrien?

Alya: Don't get upset, okay? But Nino just got a text. Adrien's dad isn't letting him go out.

Again, Adrien tells Nino his dad won't let him go out. Lying and upsetting his friends, which automatically makes them feel bad because they're poor friend can't come out with them.

Marinette: Once again...

Nino: Yo, Marinette!

Ivan: What's up, M?

Mylène: How are you, Marinette?

Marinette: I'm fine. Thanks. Hehe. So, do you know where André is today?

Later in the episode, they have patrol

And this is what Chat Noir says to Ladybug

Ladybug: Hello, Kitty. Did the bad guys leave you cold?

Cat Noir: (harsh and enraged) How was your amazing evening with your "friends"?

(Ladybug looks confused at Cat Noir, shocked by her partner's harsh words. But she gasps when she hears Glaciator's voice.)

He gets passive aggressive and sarcastic with her. He's angry because she didn't show up to a date she never agreed to going on.

[Transcript]

Ladybug: Are you mad at me because I didn't show up?

Cat Noir: (furious) What do you think?

Ladybug: I didn't mean to hurt you.

(Glaciator jumps over them and continues walking. Ladybug and Cat Noir take shelter behind a car)

Cat Noir: And I also had a surprise for you, too!

Ladybug: I really am sorry.

Cat Noir: No... I'm the one who's sorry. Maybe another time.

Ladybug feels bad for not showing up. Ladybug shouldn't have to apologize for not showing up. She never agreed to going on the date and Chat Noir knows that. He knows she had plans with her friends and guilts her because apparently she didn't show up to a date she never intended on going on. While he was the one who gave her the cold shoulder the entire time they were fighting off Glaciator and acted like a 5 year old child.

The blatant manipulation

Chat Noir guilts Ladybug because she didn't show up to a date she never agreed that she would go on. Resulting in her feeling bad and apologizing to him as if she said she'll go. She never confirms she'll make it. She tells him she has plans with friends and they'll see. That doesn't equate to yes. Adrien lies to his friends and tells them he won't be able to make it because his father wouldn't let him go out, meanwhile Adrien never tells Gabriel anything about going out with friends.

In Syren

Adrien gets tired of all the secrets Ladybug had to keep from him and threatens to quit. Blackmailing Plagg threatening to quit as a superhero if Plagg doesn't tell him what secret Ladybug's been hiding from him.

[Transcript]

Adrien: (imitating Ladybug) Hey, Cat Noir, do you trust me? (as himself) Sure, Ladybug; do you trust me, too? (as Ladybug) Are you kidding? I will never trust you! Ha ha ha ha! (normally, to Plagg) You must know what Ladybug's hiding from me, Plagg.

Plagg: I'm just a kwami, Adrien, and we kwamis have a right to remain silent.

Adrien: Pity. (gets out his phone) Just when I was about to order you some very tasty cheese. Have you ever sampled La Trappe d'Échourgnac? It says here it tastes like walnuts.

Plagg: (swallows some Camembert) I can't be swayed, sorry.

He bribes Plagg with cheese to get information out of him about Ladybug

Cat Noir: Wait! Where're you going?

Ladybug: (hesitantly) I can't.

Cat Noir: (disappointedly) Say anything. Yeah, I know. But we��are a team, aren't we? (turns away from Ladybug) I'm tired of all these secrets.

Ladybug: I'm sorry. It's not exactly easy for me either, trust me. (she leaps away while Cat Noir turns to see her leaving him)

(Cat Noir sits down on the roof to wait for Ladybug to return.)

He himself admits that he knows she can't tell him anything. He knows she's under restrictions and he pulls this.

Cat Noir: This is so dumb! (stands up) Claws in. (detransforms)

Plagg: (groans) What's taking her so long? (Adrien holds up his hands to Plagg, and starts to pull off his ring a little bit) Whoa, easy! W-What are you doing?!

Adrien: (grimly) If you don't tell me what Ladybug is hiding from me, I'm done!

Plagg: You can't do that!

Adrien: (bitterly) Why not? No one'll know if I quit. No one'll care!

Plagg: I will!

He blackmails Plagg, and threatens to let millions of people drown just because he wants to know a secret he isn't worthy of knowing.

[Transcript for Frozer]

In Frozer he gets rejected for the hundredth time

Ladyice: Cat Noir. We need to set up a trap for whoever turned the city into a giant ice rink. (throws yo-yo)

Icecat: (bitterly) My feline instincts prefer to track and observe before I attack. You go your way, I'll go mine.

Ladyice: Please don't tell me you're mad at me about the rose.

Icecat: There may be a certain chill now between us.

Ladyice: I get it, but we should really focus on saving Paris

Icecat: We don't always have to do everything together, after all. It's not like we're a couple. (skates away)

Ladyice: Cat Noir, don't get all pouty on me! (groans and takes off on her yo-yo)

(Ladyice and Icecat separately search for Frozer)

Icecat: (notices Frozer's skate marks on the ice) This way.

Ladyice: I need to set a trap, but what could I use as bait? (while Ladyice thinks, Frozer prepares to sneak up behind her, but Icecat spots him attempting to do so and pulls Ladyice out of harm's way)

Ladyice: Thanks, Kitty.

(Icecat winks)

Once again, he makes her feel guilty for turning him down for the millionth time in a row as if he doesn't know she's in love with someone else. Acting like an asshole the entire time they fight off Frozer.

In Copyat, Chat Noir arrives at a ceremony.

Scene: The Place des Vosges. The ceremony has just ended.

Cat Noir: These statues are amazing. One thing's slightly off though— I'm actually taller than Ladybug.

Théo: Ladybug didn't show up. I just wanted to express my adoration for her. Let her know that everything I had went into her statue. I'm sure if she took a little time to get to know me, she would see how much we have in common. Our devotion to the things we love.

Cat Noir: Hey, don't mean to burst your bubble, but you know, Ladybug and me, we're a thing, you know?

Théo: Really?

Cat Noir: Yeah, we're like this. (crosses his fingers)

Théo: (growls; walks away angrily) What does Ladybug see in him?

He lies to Theo about the relationship he has with Ladybug leaving Theo angry causing him to become akumatized.

Cat Noir: Better help the fellow out. His crush just got crushed. (under his breath, as he leaves) That makes two of us.

Théo: Ugh... What am I doing here? Ladybug?

Ladybug: I'm sorry I couldn't make it this morning, Théo.

Théo: Can you autograph it for me?

Ladybug: Of course I can! You've got some real artistry here. You've really captured my essence.

Théo: Thank you, Ladybug. And don't worry. I know about you and Cat Noir. It's okay.

Ladybug: Huh?

Ladybug is left to apologize to Theo and deal with the rest. Theo tells her not to worry, he knows about her and Chat Noir to which she reacts with utter confusion. Chat Noir lied to Theo, causing his akumatization not even facing consequences at the end nor apologizing to Theo, instead Marinette does all the work while being left confused.

Adrien is a lying, manipulative, and conniving person. He has manipulated his friends, Plagg, and Marinette. This is not okay

And the writers portray it to be while making Marinette look bad

#marinette dupain cheng #miraculous ladybug #adrien agreste #marinette deserves better #miraculous plagg #stop defending him #manipulators #adrien salt #cancelmiraculous #canceladrienagreste #predatory cis straight white boy billionaire

[ct-multifandom]

Placing my bets on akumas

Psychomedian - Frank Dubosc’s miracusona, Harry Clown, duh, confirmed. If my name was Harry Clown I’d also get akumatized.

Gabriel Agreste - the man himself. I think I’m leaning more toward Gabe akumatizing himself into The Collector than a sentimonster of himself. Dearest Family implies that he wanted to get himself a charm so he could figure out how to break them.

Glaciator 2.0 - Andre Glacé, obviously. The CEO of shipping. We know why.

Quilin - Sabine, of course. Why? I’m not sure. Sabine only ever gets this upset if something affects Marinette, so she’ll probably be akumatized over that. Maybe Lila will be involved again? Personally I’m interested in the Shu Yin Cheng lore referenced in Hack San so I’d hope she gets akumatized over her sister, but that’s pretty unlikely.

Ephemeral - we have two villains: Moolak and Ephemeral. I think the former will be Bob Roth. He’s greed personified, he’s shown up a lot lately, and he’s one of Gabriel’s manipulate-able rich friends. My prediction is that Moolak will look kind of pig-like and that the light-and-dark-pink-with-a-white-accent charm from that one promo image is for him because it looks like his normal color scheme. Ephemeral is clearly civilian Adrien who finally tips over the edge of everything that’s been bothering him all season. I think it’s interesting that Gabriel kind of made Adrien’s akuma in his own image with the cone head and butterfly-looking mask. I have a feeling that at least some of the stuff that happens this episode will be reversed like Chat Blanc was, though.

Kuro Neko - I am convinced that this is a sentimonster for an old villain like the episode titles Guiltrip and Mega Leech were. I’ve repeated this a billion times, but I think Alix will be Timebreaker again this episode. Even though the title scares some people, the Zag influencers have been quiet about this episode while hyping up the “important” ones, so I feel like it’s just another side character/new hero one to keep things chill after the Big Ep 100.

Penalteam - whether Penalteam is an akuma of one person or eleven, I have a feeling they’re gonna be a new background character, and the akuma itself won’t be the main point of the episode which will probably have a lesson about teamwork before the big finale. Maybe they got akumatized over lack of teamwork in the first place? Really anything soccer/football players could get akumatized over, which I think they are. I feel like Ladybug will have to build her own team to beat the Penalteam. I’m excited for this episode if I’m even remotely right because I’ve talked about how fun a “hero team plays a game vs the akuma team” episode would be.

Risk - okay, here’s a new one: I think it’s Felix. Every season finale akuma is one of the “villains” of the show. 1: Lila, 2: Nathalie, 3: Chloe. Who’s left? Gabriel himself, maybe evil!Emilie if she comes back, but if that happens it’d be after this, and Felix. Felix and Gabriel are both risk-takers, but we’ve never seen Felix akumatized before while Gabriel has been akumatized more than once, so I feel like it’d be Felix since his is one of the akumas everyone’s waiting for. All we know about Risk right now is that they cause people to take risks they wouldn’t take if they weren’t under their influence.

Strike Back - maybe I’m dead wrong, but I don’t think there’ll be a new akuma here since it’s part two of the finale and I feel like it’ll focus completely on Agreste lore, the wish, and the new chapter between finally defeating Gabriel and the new Hawkmoth.

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