top 3 most romantic ava/deborah moments? (apart from the dream and the "i think she will")
omg so many moments! But okay, I think I've got the top three.
- Ava steals Deborah's picture from the comedy club: because OH MY GOD THE STATEMENT THAT MAKES. She's saying, over my dead body will some fucking man take credit for you. Also, her little face when she gets back her hotel room. I'm dying for this to come back in season 2. I need Deborah to find this picture somehow so that I can flail loudly.
- You can make anything funny: Have you ever heard Ava sound so fucking sincere, and so soft? They're BOTH so soft. I loved that this was a genuine moment of vulnerability for both of them. Yes, both of them, because I think Ava felt true affection for Deborah for the first time in this moment and I believe her statement was earnest as fuck. You can hear it in her voice, the same way you can see Deborah's reaction to it. I think Deborah's shocked by Ava's words and her intent, as well as her own reaction to it. She's literally moved to tears. It's such A Moment, that they can't even look at each other. I---I can't.
- Deborah motherfucking Vance shows up at the funeral (!!!): I mean. I think this is The Moment. We all know Deborah doesn't do funerals, right? And that she nurtures grudges like they're her babies. So that she shows up at all is already a Statement. BUT Think about it. Ava has NO ONE in her corner. Being home is the loneliest she's ever felt and her father's just died. She is so low she's seriously considering quitting comedy after she's just had the most fulfilling experience in her personal and professional life, and also she's potentially lost that. And the funeral is awkward and her mom is a mess and she's supposed to make it all better But then, BUT THEN, Deborah shows up and saves the fucking day. This is Big Time RomCom vibes and it makes me want to scream. This moment when Ava realizes Deborah is here FOR HER. She has someone. She has a person. Deborah is her person. I. It's too much.
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Who do you think would make the first move (i.e. a kiss): Ava or Deborah?
I think it will be Deborah.
I think Ava would see it as too big of a risk. She doesn’t even know if Deb likes women, Deb is her boss and just overall Ava doesn’t want to make Deb uncomfortable.
But also, after the email incident, Ava will feel even more hesitant. Deb will eventually forgive her, but Ava will likely feel she doesn’t deserve Deb’s romantic affection and doesn’t want to do another thing to put her relationship with Deb in jeopardy.
But also, in a weird way, it represents a certain amount of growth for her to not act.
When Ava wants something, she normally doesn’t hesitate to go after it, especially if it involves pleasure. She tried to seduce Ruby even though she knew she was dating someone else and Ruby didn’t want to cheat (unlike Marty). When it comes to romance and sex, Ava will act first and not stop and think about whether it’s a good idea or not. When it comes to sex and romantic relationships, it’s all about what Ava wants.
But part of her character arc is learning how to consider other people’s needs and feelings before her own. Ava could fall madly in love with Deb and want to have sex with her, but for once, she’s not thinking about herself. It should be Deb’s choice and Ava will respect whatever decision she makes.
Now that being said, I don’t think it means that Ava won’t drop hints. They’ve already been flirting, but she might make it more overt and see if Deb is receptive, let her know she’s interested. Maybe even tell her about the sex dream? I would die if that happened. We shall see.
But also, Deborah making the first move progresses her character arc forward.
I’ve been theorizing for a while that Deborah is gay but she’s repressing much of her desires, particularly when it comes to her desire for Ava.
All of this is part of a larger trend for Deb where she doesn’t get honest with herself on what she really wants and goes after it. Deb will deny herself pleasure because she has shame or fear of what would happen if she gave in. She’s terrified of being hurt and that’s for good reason.
Ava will hurt her terribly in season 2, but this situation isn’t just like what happened with Frank. Ava will feel remorse, she will apologize, she’ll try her best to make it up to Deb and gain her trust back. Deb can’t go into a romantic relationship without confronting the fact that opening ourselves to being hurt is part of the deal. The challenge is to choose a person who is worthy of working through that with. Someone who is fundamentally good, who can admit when they’ve done wrong, attempt to make it right and who ultimately wants to make this relationship work. Deb will never find a perfect person, she just needs to find the perfect person for her. And she’s found her.
And of the two of them, it is Deborah who most wants a romantic relationship. Ava’s goals were mainly focused on her career in the beginning, but I think she’s open to the possibilities of where her life will take her. After all, she’s young. But Deborah feels strapped for time. She doesn’t want to spend the rest of her life alone. She’s already been alone for 40 years (she’s had relationships but none of them seem to have been very serious).
Let’s also be real that it’s just much more entertaining to watch a normally in control character suddenly do something impulsive and give into something they’ve wanted to do for a while. Ava doing something impulsive isn’t surprising, but it’s more surprising if Deb does it.
I personally believe Deb has never slept with a woman because she’s scared. She knows she doesn’t like sleeping with men and I think (in her subconscious) Deb knows she’s gay but she’s in denial. She fears sleeping with women in fear of proving herself right that she’s a lesbian. Cause then it will be no turning back. She can’t be in denial in the same way before. She’s now knows what she’s been missing and won’t want to give it up. But that means showing the world something different about herself and Deb struggles to be open and honest about who she is.
Deb will have to overcome a lot of fear to make a move on Ava, but that’s why it would mean so much if she did. Deb would be taking a leap of faith. That Ava is trustworthy, that Ava has her best interests at heart, and that she’ll be okay finding out something new about her sexuality.
Plus, would be a great callback to the slap, if instead of a slap during a tense moment, Deborah plants a kiss on Ava.
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Funny guy, funny guy. So, let me tell you all what’s going on here. He’s pretending to flirt with me. So, I have two options. I can, you know, shoot him down and not play along. But then I’m a bad sport, and not funny, and a cold bitch, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And if I do that, then it’s awkward, and it’s gonna be hard to win you back, right? Or, I do play along. Which, let’s face it, is easier. And I’m sexualizing myself on his terms. That guy, wearing the pleather hoodie. So then, my whole set becomes entirely about a stranger who I find disgusting.
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