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hallucination-edward · 10 months

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Carlisle: Edward if the Volturi knew about Victoria they would have taken care of it right?

Jane: of course

Jasper, an empath:

#i mean edward too but whatever #my husband came up with this lol #twilight #twilight saga #twilight meme #hallucination-edward memes #jane volturi #jasper hale #eclipse #carlisle cullen

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shyjusticewarrior · 2 years

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Gotham Season 3 Episode 15

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philosopherking1887 · 1 year

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I couldn’t decide which version I liked better, so I just made both of them. (Has someone already done this? I can’t find shit on Tumblr.)

#nygmobblepot meme #nygmobblepot memes #nygmobblepot #gotham meme #gotham memes #gotham humor #nygmobblepot humor #you wanna fuck me so bad it makes you look stupid #gotham riddlebird #riddlebird meme #oswald cobblepot x edward nygma #gotham 3.15 #gotham 3.19 #oswald cobblepot #edward nygma #hallucination oswald

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orwells-nightmare · 2 years

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Reposts of My Gotham Memes Pt 1

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cto10121 · 5 months

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Re-watching the New Moon movie and I have many Thoughts(tm), namely

Why is the cinematography is so warm toned compared to the first movie when New Moon is the most depressing book and truly the worst era of Bella’s young life: A Mystery in 2 Hours

At least Pattinson!Edward looks a little better than usual. They put him in these crisp suits. Very nice (Edit: Never mind, that awful Volturi bathrobe with the pasty-ass makeup was horrific yuck, yuck, yuck)

They just had to introduce Jacob this early on, didn’t they? And ofc Bella is much more emotive and gets all the witty dialogue with him (!!). In the books she is much more romantic and wittier with Edward as a whole. Jacob tended to bring out her immature side

“How come Jacob Black gets to give you a gift and I can’t?” “Because I have nothing to give back to you” Nice to know the screenwriter(s) still doesn’t understand the Bedward dynamic. And by nice I mean horrific

…What film version of R&J are they watching??? It’s not the ‘30s version and definitely not the ‘60s or ‘90s one. Is it the ‘70s BBC one? In the book it was the ‘60s version, which is the correct answer. Did they not get the rights? Also, also, why are the human characters much more affected by R&J than Bella and Edward????

“[Romeo] Killed his only love out of sheer stupidity” “Yeah” Oh no, no, no, no, movie, you are not going to make Bella, a close Romeo iteration, agree with Edward!!! Edward is meant to be 100% wrong by his take. Dumbass script!!!

Edward: “Eyes, look your last” 😐 Couldn’t Pattinson just inject a little bit more feeling into his line reading? Most of Edward’s objections were Romeo’s actions, not his suicide. These are the lines Edward can and should relate to.

The movie people garbing the Volturi in 18th century clothing when they are older than the Romans is just laughable

“Dating an older woman. Hot.” Okay, Emmett is 💯, no notes. Definitely erred on the side of frat boy, but you know what, it’s fun and ho boy do these movies lack it

Bella holding up her whole bloody finger in a coven of vampires 💀 Why, movie

Stewart!Bella’s chemistry with almost everyone else in the cast (that scene with Carlisle tending her wound!!!) but Pattinson!Edward confirms what I have known all along: Film and real life chemistry are very different and they shouldn’t be confused. The proof is in the celluloid.

I’m just going to call it: Stewart and Pattinson are modern subtle quirky actors playing what are essentially neo-Gothic star-crossed lover roles. They absolutely should never have been considered for these parts at all by a competent director. Absolutely not fitting at all

“You’re just not good for me.” Hmm, this is what Bella believes about herself, not Edward. I suppose Edward could have done it on purpose, but the fact that he was flabbergasted his lie worked indicates that he doesn’t. Movie just straight up portrays him as more manipulative than in the books, where he just lies baldly

Oh God the months-on-the-screen thing was terrible. This movie fails so much at portraying Bella’s depression, it hurts. It’s like visual SparkNotes

The Bella-writing-to-Alice device sucks. Not too badly, but still. We had her voiceover in the first movie without any problems but for this one, we need a justification? Also, it fuels the Bella/Alice fan dumb something awful

Really dislike the way they did Hallucination!Edward with the ghostly transparent effect. It’s corny and also…way to pass up a chance at some mystery and intrigue by just having Edward be there without any special effects (maybe keep the echoing voice). I guess they really didn’t want people confused and think he returned when he didn’t. But c’mon.

Movie Bella going off with the biker 🤮 Book Bella at her most insane would never. The only good thing about it is that it does lead to Bella having an interest in motorcycles. Efficient movie storytelling and all that.

“Bella, where the hell have you been, loca?” Wonder why this line became so meme-worthy. It’s by far not the worst (“spider monkey” is perhaps the most awful) and Lautner’s delivery was natural enough. Is it the random Spanish? It is random.

Bella is already smiling at her first scene with Jacob…this movie is just awful at selling her desolation. Meanwhile Jacob’s first thought was how awful Bella looked

The Quileute characters are well-cast and nicely played so far, and their banter is good. Emily especially is beautiful and her scar makeup was convincing. Great

Book: “He took off his shirt” Movie: He took off his ~~~~shirt 😍

Laurent’s arrival and his death should have been a much better and weightier scene than we got. God, the pacing is so bad in this movie. Jacob becomes a werewolf, Bella finds the meadow, Laurent suddenly arrives—all within a minute or so. Ugh

“As soon as you put the dog out.” Damn, why, movie? Book Alice did not begin the slurs until she was well and truly angry. But sure, let’s do some really obvious racebaiting 🙄

Whoa, whoa, whoa, Jacob KNEW he was talking to Edward and not Carlisle????? Movie, wtf? And all to save up on some screen time…sigh

Bella: “I can let you go now.” What. The. Fuck. Movie????? Not only could she not let Edward go, Bella never wanted to let him go. That was and had never been her arc!!! She would have gone to Edward regardless of anything!!! I hate this, I hate this oh GOD

No, I’m not done, I need another bullet point for this BS. The whole reason why Twilight was picked up to be adapted in the first place was because Hollywood execs saw “Ooh Romeo and Juliet with vampires 🤑” written all over this one…only for the actual filmmakers to just say, “Actually her whole ~journey this movie is letting go of Edward uwu” Poor Meyer…she just had to grin and bear it until she became the producer, I suppose

*Bella and Edward having a whole-ass conversation and making out* *Felix and Demetri watching in the shadows*: “So…should we interru—” “Don’t you DARE” “Felix” 🤣 I’m sorry, but this whole “I lied I do love you” convo should have been in the bedroom scene proper; there are literal Volturi about!!! Also, also, no “Amazing. Carlisle is right”!!! No Romeo quote!!!! Fie, for shame

Dakota Fanning as Jane…Well, probably not perfection, but she is great as usual. The Volturi got done so dirty overall, though—they look and act like Vampire Diaries rejects.

THAT ELEVATOR SCENE, OH GOD. So much meme potential. Why does this series keep injecting humor and comedy where there shouldn’t be and just ditching the actual humor and comedy of the actual books?????

Again, these Volturi gives me discount Vampire Diaries. Also, that chamber is so damn small. Where is the mystique, the grandiosity?There should be a crowd of vampires around, it’s their dinnertime.

Michael Sheen is just too British for the la tua cantante, lol. He also says something else (“Forse le vostre l’uno per altro”??? The accent is just too thick). He’s way too handsy (movie, they’re regular vampires who are sharks!!) but overall I guess his creepy-genteel approach works. Again, the cringy script fucks him over, as it does everyone. The movie has him touch Edward only now and not immediately when he meets him. Oh, God.

Edward just stumbling forward to Jane’s demonstration on Bella 💀 Jane saying “Pain” and Edward just standing there instead of collapsing 💀 Stewart!Bella freaking out and begging them to stop…actually, no, there she did very well, I liked it

Edward and Felix fighting ewwww…and with that awful slow-mo. What’s with these movies and including non-canonical battle shit???? Also, Aro would not order Bella’s execution if simply because he wants to collect Edward/Alice and Bella once she turns (it’s obvious she is a shield).

Of course fucking Alice speaks up at the very last minute before Aro chomps on Bella!!! When she would have had a vision of this exact scenario!!! This movie I swear!!!

THEY ACTUALLY SHOW THE VISION OF VAMPIRE BELLA, OH GOD. AND WITH THE CORNY SLOW-MO. KILL ME

“Once Alice changes me, you can’t get rid of me.” Okay, Movie Bella is officially more interested in immortality than Edward, the exact opposite of her book counterpart. Dishonor on your cow, Rosenberg.

“Jake, I love you.” Aaaaaand it’s official, the movies are definitely Team Jacob. Fuck you, too, movie

#new moon #twilight #cristina watches #the twilight saga #it’s a special kind of trainwreck apart from the first movie #also what was with patt!edward’s makeup here ew #they ruined the volturi why #also this movie was so team jacob it wasn’t funny #billy burke once again being the best #poor meyer…i mean it could have been worse definitely #also the scoring sucked #super generic and anemic

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quandaryqueen · 2 years

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Any riddler's

I wanna know their reactions to their s/o sending them these type of shit

Ping!

Edward Nygma X Reader

Ooooooh, chat format! Maybe I'll also incorporate some texting headcanons with the various Riddler, so this should be fun!

💚 Young Justice

The man replies quick depending on which person texts him. If you're his favourite person, you'd barely wait a second and he's already typing up a reply and ready to chat for hours. If you're not his favourite person, and it isn't urgent, he doesn't reply until a few minutes and would conjure up an excuse to avoid talking.

Okay, as for the images sent, he'd be staring at it with a blush. Then, he'd out his phone down for a breather as his brain processes whether he was hallucinating or not. Eventually, when he needed to reply, he goes:

😳 Umm are you serious?

💚 Arkhamverse

This man is a menace and will not see your message until a day has passed. And in terms of replies, he goes into detail-- paragraphs of message and when that's sent, say goodbye to him because he won't reply until tomorrow. And besides, he prefers phone calls.

When he sees your memes, he rolls his eyes but low-key, he's blushing. Making that grimacing look to supress a smile. He doesn't know how to reply, whether to mention it or just ignore it, but if he chose to mention it:

Whatever happened to poetry and serenading? If you're really eager for me, you know you can do better than that.

💚 Batman the animated series

Before we start, allow me to share something

Different contexts, but I digress.

ANYWAYS!

He is average in terms of speed in replying, he can go off in hours talking with you when he is particularly eager and interested in you, uses proper punctuations and capitalizations. If he can't talk, he would thoughtfully excuse himself via text.

His reaction to the memes would be him chuckling in amusement and his answer would be something simple, yet puzzling.

💚 Batman Unburied

❤️

Yes, a single heart. Do what you will with it.

A mix of BTAS and YJ Edward. Perfect punctuations, grammar, capitalization, would talk to you for as long as possible if you're his favourite person and would reply quick.

His reply to your meme is also a meme. Either this:

Or this:

Pick your poison.

#edward nygma #riddler x reader #dc x reader #dc x you #edward nygma x reader #edward nigma #request #arkham riddler #arkham riddler x reader #young justice riddler x reader #young justice riddler #btas riddler x reader #btas riddler #edward nashton #batman unburied riddler x reader #batman unburied riddler

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wonderfulworldofmichaelford · 1 year

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Is It Really That Bad?

The hand of fate is moving, and the finger points to you, Nicolas Cage.

The Wicker Man is a classic folk horror film known for its unique tone, musical numbers, Christopher Lee, and its iconic titular structure. Movies like Midsommar owe a lot to this film; it’s certainly not a film I love, as I’m not big on movies about cults, but I can appreciate it at least.

Now, as with any classic horror film, it was inevitable it would get remade, and if there’s one genre where remakes actually have a real shot at being great, it’s the horror genre. The Thing, The Fly, The Blob, all of these films managed to take a terrifying story told once before and twist and recontextualize it for a new audience, and all three of those films are classics in their own right. So you’d think remaking a film in which an intolerant but well-meaning cop is led to his death as his ignorance is preyed upon by a charismatic cult of pagans would go well, right? There has to be some biting social commentary or some unique elements to this film, especially seeing as the setting was updated to America! Setting the film in New England or the deep South, places rife for the sort of horror the original played with…

Oh, wait, it’s set on a weird fictional island? And the cult is some matriarchy that’s meant to show a reverse patriarchy…? And it’s not a musical?

Yeah, no, this movie didn’t exactly do much to win people over. Quite a few actors from the original were highly critical of it, particularly Christopher Lee and Ingrid Pitt, and the original director Robin Hardy had his name removed from the credits out of disgust at the state of the film. Edward Woodward, the original film’s star, turned down an opportunity for a cameo, which speaks volumes about what he thought. Nicolas Cage has been pretty open about thinking the film was absurd, and critics basically laughed the film right into bombing. It’s safe to say Universal, who had been trying for years to get this remake off the ground, were likely regretting ever allowing the project to come to fruition. All in all, the whole thing is a monumental travesty notable only for some meme-worthy content within.

But is that really all this misguided remake has going for it? Is its legendary badness overexaggerated, or is it truly like watching the world exploding every single night? Well, I’m here to answer that for you as I determine whether or not The Wicker Man is really that bad after all.

THE GOOD

This movie’s saving grace, and what you most likely know it best for, is just how batshit insane it is, to the point of it being one of the funniest unintentional comedies this side of The Happening. Of course, there’s the infamous line about the bees, but if you’ve actually sat down and watched the movie you’ll know that line (which only appears near the very end of the extended cut) is merely the tip of the iceberg. You have schoolgirls chanting “Phallic symbol,” you have hallucinated girls getting run over by trucks on boats, and you have Nicolas Cage kung fu fighting angry women which culminates with him dressing in a bear suit, sprinting across a field, and sucker punching someone. It’s just an insane ride.

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Of course, all of this is carried by Nicolas Cage. He realized what this movie was when making it, and in true Cage fashion brought the ham and cheese to make a perfect B-movie sandwich. His delivery of lines such as when he’s asking if two women have a shark in a bag or demanding to know how something got burned really are something else, and it all builds to that beautiful delivery of “NOT THE BEES,” the crown jewel of an utterly bonkers Cage performance. It became a meme for a reason, even if it isn’t notably crazier than many of the other lines.

If you can give this movie credit for anything, it’s for not being a straight up remake. Like yes, the basic premise—a detective goes to investigate an island and ends up sacrificed by a cult—is the same, and it doesn’t take advantage of being set in New England like it should, but this is a wildly different take with a different cult and different situations than the original film. It’s more akin to a remake like The Thing or The Fly than Van Sant’s Psycho, for what that’s worth. Though, on the other hand, this will be the only time this movie is ever mentioned positively in the same sentence as the former two movies because...

THE BAD

So, you know how I said it was good this movie decided to go in its own direction? That’s all well and good, obviously, but it would seriously help if that direction didn’t suck. This is a remake that just completely and utterly misses the point of why people like the original. There’s no musical numbers, the plot is dumbed down to extreme levels, the new additions and characterizations are just not really built into anything interesting… Sure, Nicolas Cage is a far more likable protagonist than the original guy (which is a low bar to clear considering what a judgmental douche the original’s protag was), but they don’t really do much interesting. They took a cult classic notable for its musical numbers, expert use of folk horror, and Christopher Lee and turned it into a bargain bin B-movie.

And that’s not even getting into the… questionable political message. Neil LaBute made the decision to turn the cult into a matriarchal society to show what would happen when patriarchal power dynamics were reversed, and the end result is exactly as problematic as you might imagine. With how divorced from reality any aspect of the cult is from a patriarchal society (I don’t see women having their tongues literally cut out or being sacrificed in pagan rituals very often), the entire film comes off as the anti-feminist version of Save the Pearls. Like maybe this idea could have been executed better, but it feels like the idea only someone who really hates women would want to even try and attempt. Like what point are we trying to get to, anyway? That everyone sucks? Do you really want to sit through a movie with a foregone conclusion where that’s the message? I get wanting to mix things up, but this was not a good direction to take the cult.

And of course there is the most damning element at play here: This movie is not even remotely scary. It has weird, surreal imagery, and as a horror remake it’s trying to be tense and unnerving, but between the idiotic anti-feminist angle and Cage hamming it up the whole thing comes off like a giant farce.

IS IT REALLY THAT BAD?

As a horror film? Yes, this movie is pretty bad. But as a comedy? This film is a classic.

I’ve always believed that if a film fails at its main goal but still manages to be funny, it’s not a worthless film. But that’s the thing: This film still failed. It tried to be a folk horror film that wanted to make you feel suspense and mystery, and instead gave a screwy comedy where Nicolas Cage punches women and overacts. That 3.7 on IMDB might even be a bit generous if I’m being honest. This film is firmly in the “so bad it’s good” category.

Still, if you’re a Nicolas Cage film buff, this movie is absolutely a must-see; it’s one of his greatest batshit insane performances ever. And like I said, it’s a bad film with a lot of value. This isn’t complete trash, and cinema is honestly better for this film existing. Most horror remakes of the 2000s through the early 2010s ended up merely being forgettable garbage that no one talks about a few years after it drops. Does anyone even care about that A Nightmare on Elm Street reboot or the remake of House of Wax? Does anyone even know they remade The Wizard of Gore? But this baffling remake no one asked for and that no one wanted of one of the greatest horror films ever made has not only endured, it has become a progenitor of memes. I’ll take unforgettable garbage over run-of-the-mill cookie cutter trash any day of the week.

#is it really that bad?#IIRTB #The Wicker Man #Nicolas Cage #review #movie review #Youtube

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detectivemaker · 1 year

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Ideas and stuff 5

1. The Batman audio Adventures version of Jarvis has the personality of Billy from Black Christmas, the dynamic between him and the audio Adventures version of Jonathan can be best described as chaotic murder boyfriends, things they do together are as follows: watch horror movies and laugh at the death scenes, dance together to Creature Feature or Insane Clown Posse, murder and torture people, trip balls on Joy cure.

2.He looks like is a Madman who escaped from a mental Asylum and disguise himself in Hot Topic clothing, his outfit consist of straight jacket he uses as a coat, checkered black and white pants, a t-shirt that has the words hatters going to hat on it, and a top hat covered in pins that you get from the Alice in Wonderland section of Hot Topic, he was tennis shoes made to look like rabbits feet. appearance-wise his hair is dyed pink and goes halfway down his back, his bangs cover his eyes, his smile has a missing tooth on his upper jaw, and he has a crow tattooed on his chest near his heart. He talks like those LOL random or owo memes. He named his ax Crumpet and put googly eyes on it, he also talked drawn into naming his pocket knife pumpkin pie but he didn't get John to put googly eyes on it, John did draw Eyes On The Hill with Sharpie

3. voice headcanons for my Ocs

Lenoir: Pinkie Pie Applejack from My Little Pony(speaking voice), Marina Diamandis(singing voice)

Louis: Dipper Pines from Gravity Falls Dorothy: mud pie from My Little Pony

4. A villainous x Batman Fusion. Jonathan is blackhat, Jarvis is dementia or in the fusion Mercury, and Edward is flug, I don't really have an idea for 5.0.5.

Jonathan looks like his the new Batman adventures self but he's wearing Shades that cover his eyes, he does this because his eyes have the ability to show you your deepest fear, and you can't really sell products if all your potential buyers of flailing around in fear hallucinations, I used to be human but one day he summoned a demon and made a deal with it to become powerful and Immortal and exchange for the demon using him to fulfill its dark purpose of spreading evil. He loves both of his employees very much, but he likes hearing them scream just as much

Jarvis has white hair with pink bangs, the hood he wears resembles a rabbit head that has a little top hat on it, one of the rabbit hoodies ears is pierced with a teacup earring, the rest of his clothes include a t-shirt with a bunny skull on it, a mini skirt with a hole on the back for his tail, and shoes made to look like rabbits feet, his powers include super hearing, super speed , powerful kicks, and he's really good at digging holes, his favorite weapon to use is a battle axe covered in bunny stickers

Edward is a brunette, his face is covered by the mask from the Batman movie, he was a lab coat over a green t-shirt with a question mark On it, he likes to collect model cars

the Mansion they live in is an actual Mansion instead of a hat shaped one, there's a car crashed in the side of it, that's the vehicle Eddie came to the mansion in

5. Each tetch crane favorite present they ever got for Christmas

Lenoir: a switchblade on her 16th Christmas

Louis: a book full of his Papa's beer talks and research on his 14th Christmas

Dorothy: a gun on her 21st Christmas

#villainous #Jervis Tetch #hattercrow #Dork squad #ocs #fankid

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ineffag-swag · 3 years

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#edward nygma #gotham #ed nygma #oswald cobblepot #nygmobblepot meme #gotham memes #hallucination!Oswald #hallucination oswald #gotham season 3

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the-suicidal-lizard · 2 years

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What it means when Oswald says, “no one is going to be scared of “The Riddler””, in Gotham TV. A Semi-Deep Dive! - Nerd Time.

Below is the picture I will be referencing. Spoilers for Gotham (Season 1 and Season 3). Don’t take this post too seriously, even though I clearly did... okay, on we go!

I saw this post on Pinterest, so idk who to credit for this - it is actually funny, I’ll start off by saying that. BUT, THEN! When you think about it, it doesn’t make that much sense. (Besides the fact, everyone called Oswald “The Penguin”, and so he had no choice but to make it a “scary” name (or a name to be respected).)

I’d like to point out, something this meme doesn’t address, and nobody in the comments was addressing; this is Edward Nygma imaging Oswald Cobblepot, while on a drug induced trip, as he firmly believes he is dead, killed by his own hands, and was unable to let his best friend go, and is now about to, as he believes he has finally found himself after acquiring an enemy in Lucius Fox, after he’s acknowledged he just “killed the best friend [he] ever had”, after he’s confirmed “killing [Oswald] killed apart of [him]”. The fact Hallucination!Oswald is saying (more like snapping if we’re honest), “no one is going to be scared of “The Riddler””, can mean a lot of things.

In my opinion, it could mean, deep down, Edward doesn’t believe “The Riddler” is a terrifying name either, and makes Hallucination!Oswald say it, so he can shrug it off, as if it doesn’t matter because he’s “dead”, such as in the quote said by Hallucination!Oswald, “the trouble with talking to projections of your psyche... is that they know everything you know. Including the things you’re trying not to know.” That’s Edward acknowledging everything Hallucination!Oswald is saying, is true, and that yes, thoughs are his unspoken thoughts.

(Though admittedly Oswald irl isn’t scared either, because he knew Edward when he was “a nervous, jittery loser”, and Edward also just knows how Oswald acted, and makes his hallucination act like Oswald the best he can, while also being incredibly high on drugs), and he firmly believes “The Penguin” holds weight, and fear. It certainly made him take a step back from him when Oswald told him “you’re standing too close” back in Season 1 - he didn’t fear him, but he respected him, and after Oswald comes back and they’re in those bird cages, he hits Oswald’s head to check he’s real, then he scurries back in shock, in case of being attacked, and lets out a nervous, shaky, “you are hard to kill” - ergo a form of fear.

Remember, this is all in Edward’s head, all what he believes, going off information Oswald told him, case in point “I became The Penguin when I threw Fish Mooney off a building”, and “I didn’t have anyone’s help”, when it was Fish who taught him before hand, helping him slowly build up to "The Penguin", even after she came back to life. He also had plenty of help, through Butch doing everything he asked - unwillingly at first, and Falcone - being a double agent, and Maroni - learning to become a better snitch, and even Edward - teaching someone to become a villain, having a second who trusted him, creating origami penguins. It didn't happen just because he killed her. He didn’t do it alone. It’s what Edward believes, because admittedly, he knows/believes Oswald was badass, and a force to be reckoned with.

He's just making Hallucination!Oswald say and do thing's he either believes himself, OR he believes irl Oswald would do; it's not real. (E.g., the two scratching their heads at the same time, and resting their chin on their fists at the same time, biting their nails at the same time, all in the same position too.)

So, in Edward's mind, "The Penguin" is a legitimate scary, empowering name, while "The Riddler" might not live up to those standards, and is just another aspiring crook, that’s not going anywhere.

Or, maybe, I put too much thought into all of this, and I need a life? Probably that...

#gotham #edward nygma #oswald cobblepot #hallucination oswald cobblepot #riddler #penguin #hallucination penguin #nygmobblepot #meme #this turned into an essay #this turned into a rant #oops #essay #i need a life #nerd stuff #gotham tv #i am sorry #nerd time

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hallucination-edward · 1 year

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I got engaged two days ago. How should I incorporate twilight into the wedding (unhinged answers only)

#twilight #twilight saga #twilight meme #hallucination-edward memes

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shyjusticewarrior · 2 years

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williamwheeler · 4 years

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orwells-nightmare · 2 years

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Reposts of My Gotham Memes Pt 6

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barbossas-wench · 4 years

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It's 1 am

Song: Psycho - Red Velvet

#gotham #edward nygma #oswald cobblepot #nygmobblepot #hallucination! oswald #hallucination meme #red velvet #psycho #video #GUESS IM GOING BACK TO RV HELL

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forevercloudnine · 3 years

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arkhamverse riddlebat ship meme

(Continuing with the questions that @heroes-etc picked out for me, this set being from this ship meme.)

3. who is more afraid about the other leaving them?

Edward, hands down. Arkhamverse Riddler is maybe the neediest take on the character I’ve ever seen. Which is saying something, because the panel from “Questions Multiply the Mystery” where he writhes around on the floor begging for attention is permanently burned into my mind. He also clearly doesn’t take rejection well, as evidenced by the graffiti in his cell shown in a promotional image for Arkham Asylum (2009). J'ai aimé, j'ai souffert, maintenant... je hais. “I loved, I suffered, now I hate.”

It didn’t make it into the game proper (too subtexty, maybe, given a general lack of non-Batman people this could be referring to), but from my perspective it might as well have, since I experienced all the games second hand by sitting on the couch next to my brother while he swore at the Riddler challenges. Anyway, if perceived rejection has you writing French poetry on your cell wall in what looks concerningly like bodily fluids, then you probably won’t deal well with the concept of actually being dumped.

5. who is more likely to drunkenly confess?

Also Edward, given that he’s calling Bruce every five minutes. And if he’s not calling Bruce directly, he’s talking ABOUT Bruce in a public broadcast to all of Gotham. Eddie is the king of freudian slips sober, so one can only imagine what he would say in vino veritas. If he does get drunk, let’s hope for his sake that he opts to communicate through his private line to Batman rather than over every screen in Gotham.

6. who is more likely to push the other away (for any reason)?

Bruce, also hands down. Arkham Knight really goes out of its way to hammer in that Batman’s callous treatment of Riddler has wreaked havoc on Edward’s psyche, even if arguably Eddie had it coming. Riddler’s mole in the GCPD talks about this:

JT Walker: It used to be funny, you know [...] And then one day, it just wasn't funny anymore. It was pathetic. He stopped taking care of himself, got that crazy look in his eyes. I swear man, he's broken. You broke him.

Bruce’s subconscious gets a dig in on this topic via Joker hallucination.

“Joker”: Good for you, Bats! Eddie doesn’t need help. No, no, no. Beat ‘em up. Lock ‘em up. That’s the best medicine.

Even my brother, who would attempt to stab Arkhamverse Edward in the face War-of-Jokes-and-Riddles style if the games let him, felt guilty on Bruce’s behalf when Eddie started ranting about his photographic memory.

Riddler: I can summon your sneering features at will. That is, when they don't burst unbidden into my brain [...] I can remember every time you've hurt me. Sometimes I wake up, Dark Knight, to the feel of your hands around my neck, your carbon fiber created fists smashing my solar plexus.

I think because of this trait, one of the only ways this ship would work in Arkhamverse is if they came to an agreement during Arkham Origins (since Edward is... more or less... a vigilante in that game, albeit one that Bruce considers distasteful), well before their relationship gets to where it is in Arkham Asylum. The other way is if Bruce actually took the lesson Arkham Knight hammered over his head and tried to fix the damage done after faking his death. (In my mind there exists a many chaptered fanfic where after Batman “disappears” he moves to the second Batcave the games put under Arkham Asylum and takes on Joker’s “Eric Border” persona from the comics to become an orderly there. Whether it’s scarebat or riddlebat varies depending on my mood, but what’s consistent no matter what is that I have five WIPs on ao3 and I can’t write it until I finish at least one of them).

7. who picks fights more often?

Obviously Arkhamverse Edward is the most irritating person who has ever lived, so he kind of wins by default. But Bruce definitely holds his own in instigating unnecessary conflict with loved ones in this continuity. I’ll cut him some slack during Arkham Knight because one could argue that he spends most of the game half-possessed by an evil clown ghost, but it’s not like he’s much better in ANY of the other games. The bit in Arkham City where he lies to Talia’s face about being willing to spend the rest of his life with her so that she’ll give him access to the Lazarus Pit — even though if he was just honest and asked for it she probably would have helped him anyway, given that she DIES protecting him in the climax — is probably the best example of how he will infuriate people who love him for no logical reason. It’s a symptom of the post traumatic hyper vigilance, probably.

So if Edward did get the closeness to Bruce that his subconsciousness seems to be gunning for, he could look forward to the physical violence and public humiliation being replaced with the same well-intentioned gaslighting and emotional manipulation Bruce gives everyone but Alfred in these games. Actually, is Alfred the only one who’s even aware that he’s alive after Arkham Knight? Bruce, please tell your kids that you aren’t a pile of ash in the crater that used to be Wayne Manor.

9. who is more likely to withhold their feelings for the other?

The obvious answer is Bruce, because he keeps his emotions locked in a lead box buried like twenty feet beneath the floor of the Batcave (probably along with a bunch of kryptonite, since Superman is flying around the Arkhamverse somewhere). But honestly Bruce doesn’t seem to have a problem getting it on with supervillains in this continuity. He and Talia chat pretty casually about a recent romantic rendezvous in Metropolis when they meet in Arkham City. His emotional distance from Selina in Arkham Knight seems less like him withholding his feelings from her, and more like him not being over Talia’s death (or Joker’s, which... the narrative certainly focuses on more than Talia’s...).

So I think Edward would actually be more likely to withhold his feelings for Bruce. Even if Bruce approached him first, he’s too obsessed with the possibility of Bruce humiliating him to take any positive interaction (especially a romantic overture) at face value.

Riddler: You left me battered and demeaned in Arkham City. I am the Riddler, Batman. I don't suffer humiliation. I pay it back.

He’s not really wrong, either. Batman does humiliate him in Arkham City (by misleading Edward into thinking he’d let him die, no less); it’s the same embarrassment Edward inflicts on his own victims, so it’s not like he doesn’t deserve it per se, but it’s definitely not Bruce taking the higher ground.

Sticking him in his own trap is pretty vindictive, and Riddler’s weird commentary about not letting Batman have bathroom breaks during his revenge trials in Arkham Knight hints that Cash and the other guards might have made his (clearly unlawful!) punishment even more humiliating than we see on screen.

Riddler: Rule the seventh. Bathroom breaks will be administered on a discretionary basis. Should we find ourselves at a pivotal moment in your arduous journey to self-realization and defeat, I expect you to hold it in. Rule the eighth. Any accidents resulting from my strict enforcement of the seventh rule are to be considered your fault entirely.

So would Edward withhold his feelings for Batman? Yeah, probably. And it would probably take a lot of time and effort for Bruce to convince Edward that any feelings on his part weren’t just an attempt to humiliate Riddler further.

#riddlebat #edward nygma #riddler #arkhamverse #ship meme #every day #every day i think about the checkmate line

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