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werewolf-cuddles · 6 months
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You know, as obnoxious as the "people dedicating entire blogs to nitpicking about every individual frame of the show" era of Steven Universe discourse was, I still preferred it to the "people calling Rebecca Sugar a facist sympathizer" era.
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pepsi-al · 8 months
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This is just way too delicious here. The Pokémon Sun and Moon Anime character designer goes over the reason why he gave Ash the appearance he did, which was basically "Ash in past seasons felt very out-of-character compared to how he was in the original series." And his response basically triggered the XY fans, prompting responses like "they forgot Ash has 6 leagues under his belt", "so you decided to make Ash act out-of-character anyways", "it's a bad idea to make Ash act like a 10 year old", etc. The XY fans have misread Ash's character this whole time, and they don't want to admit it.
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ultraericthered · 4 months
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Why am I encountering Akito Sohma discourse in 2024, soon to be exactly 5 years since the premiere of the second anime adaptation?
Not naming names, only commenting on the garbage takes here.
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No duh on "being abused doesn't justify abusing others", but you might want to tell that to all the stans and simps for (usually male) villains who were abused and took their inexcusable actions towards others even further than Akito would've ever dared to yet they get their crimes downplayed or even defended and rationalized with "the abuse they suffered made them into people who act this way, don't judge the way any abuse victim internalizes and externalizes their trauma from the abuse they experienced, there is no 'perfect victim' y'know?", and are said to "deserve better" or "deserve" redemption.
The idea that Akito "got away with everything Scot-free" seems like a really poor reading of the story based on only the notion that if Akito is not dead, locked up in a penitentiary or asylum, or left completely alone and miserable forever by the end of the story, she faced zero consequences for her actions. Totally disregarding how almost the entirety of what the 2019 anime has as its final season was reality coming in to smack Akito around repeatedly and make her face all the natural consequences of her actions, of how she'd lived her life and ruled over her family as an abusive tyrant. See this? All of this?:
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This is all Akito's karma. It's from the punishment she wrought for herself. The misery she passed around through her family came back around in full, and she had to watch her entire world, the world of the "eternal banquet" she was promised and believed herself entitled to, gradually unravel along with her own mental and emotional state.
In the anime at least, it hits a crescendo that's regretably so brief and silent that it's easy to miss, but when Akito has mentally shut down and is just sitting there moping beside Shigure, we're shown a bit where she suddenly gets up, like she just hit a breaking point and without any thought, just on pure instinct and emotional impulse, she walks to the screen door and hits her head against it. Given her frail, shaky body language, and the mix of alarm and pity that lurks beneath Shigure's still calm facade, I'm to assume that Akito is wailing and screaming. She's having a full psychotic breakdown.
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"She never apologized, never made amends, never did anything to deserve anyone's love and forgiveness". ...I'm sorry, this person really stopped watching after Tohru got put in the hospital, huh? In the last couple of episodes, Akito did nothing BUT be apologetic and set out to make whatever amends she could, including undoing all remaining bonds and breaking the Zodiac curse! She did nothing to "deserve" anyone's love and forgiveness even at this point because now she at last understood she was undeserving of such things and was entitled to nothing, especially nothing from her victims, after the way she'd behaved and the many sins she'd committed. Forgiveness is earned and granted, never "deserved", and it's always a choice whether or not to grant it, so anyone who'd never forgive Akito for as long as they lived would be entirely within their right to do so, and so would be those who did make the choice to forgive her. Neither is invalid. And love is never a matter of "earned", "deserved", or "owed", and to think that it IS is ironically adopting a very Akito mentality.
Also have to go back to that "she never apologized" thing. Really?
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Really?
And if "that Tohru, of all people, befriended her despite the horrific things she did to her (not yet and in fact he'd just rejected her) husband" disgusts anyone, than Fruits Basket was never the story for them and Tohru was never a character they were going to love. That moment, and that gesture from Tohru, was one of THE core pillars of the entire narrative, something everything had been building up to from the very beginning. Tohru looked deep inside the cruel, childish, deranged, abusive, controlling, possessive, selfish, cowardly, downright evil pseudo-god that she, and the entire Sohma family, knew as Akito Sohma and she found who Akito Sohma truly was: a sad, abused, broken, twisted, pathetic, wretched, needy and terrified child who'd suffered through an upbringing in which she'd never been allowed to forge a single human connection with anyone else that was not dependent upon her status as the family head and the bonds with the Zodiacs that was her promised birthright, and was thus left with so much vulnerability, so much mental and emotional instability, such fear of living her life in the world as the woman she should be, as the human being she should be, that she kept concealed beneath the armor of a wrathful god who she felt could be comfortably in control of everything in her life and keep it all from slipping away from her and leaving her all alone with all her internal anguish and misery. It's that Akito Sohma who Tohru reached out to and extended the offer of friendship, to become her first ever true human friend in her life, no string attached and no bonds or godhood required. Because that's what Fruits Basket was always all about: the existence and value of love. family, and friendships as forged, mutual, equally consensual connections between humans rather than as some divine mandate upon animals or some commodity to be horded by a god.
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Already took shots at "she gets away with everying and does nothing to deserve anyone's love or forgiveness". On the belief that Akito needed to be jailed for her crimes, that is actually something I can agree with and see as a weakness in the series' ending. Once the Zodiac curse was broken and Akito was no longer "God", there'd now be nothing standing in the way of some of the Sohmas, the family members and servants alike, pushing charges against Akito for all the worst things she'd committed against them. We should've been told that such legal action was taken and that Akito knew it was coming and accepted it, being fully ready to accept accountability and justice for her crimes. When last we'd see her and Shigure, they could be doing a round of community service together! That would've been perfect! But Takaya didn't go that route, and I think what we did got was also satisfactory: Akito had lived her life with power, privileges, and freedom with which to do whatever she wanted but was also a prisoner of her own damaged psyche and of the broken family system she was born into and had to play such a large role in perpetuating, so by the end, it's now flipped so that Akito has been internally set free, is healing and finding inner peace, but without the Zodiac curse, the family headship in a lonelier, harder, constraining position but she voluntarily endures with it so that she may live the rest of her life atoning for the sins she'd committed when she was "God", all at a distance from family members who mostly will never forgive her, never think any better of her, and are glad to be free of her. So the idea that Akito's fate not being punitive enough being akin to a slap on the wrist is misguided. It's a lifelong committment to restorative justice and not getting all she desired that Akito's made, and she has to endure it while being romantically involved with Shigure, which honestly feels like a punishment worse than prison!
Piss the fuck off with the "blatant abuse apologist" claim, too. This is the same bullcrap spewed towards Kohei Horikoshi when he gave Endeavor a self improvement/atonement arc. WIth both Endeavor and Akito, the narrative is never at any point remotely pretending that their actions are anything but monstrously abusive, toxic, cruel, harmful and wrong. They're bad and so the abuser is made to feel bad about having ever done them and must face up to all the natural karmic consequences that will inconvenience their lives. An anti-abuse narrative that does not keep it as simple and black-and-white as "the abuser is 100% Bad Person, it's a problem that they exist and hurt people, the solution is to remove them from life entirely" yet still condemns the abuser for their actions and champions their victims ability to move beyond them, find healing, peace, love, and happiness in lives better than what the abuser could ever hope for, is not in the slightest bit "abuse apologism": no apologies or excuses for the abuse are being made.
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Not Akito-related, just showing how this same person truly feels about Fruits Basket on the whole due to how "problematic" it is. If it's not for you, fine, and this is actually 100% correct regarding Katsuya Honda being a sociopathic predator who fucked a child student of his yet it get beyond inappropriately framed as a beautiful, romantic, loving thing within the narrative. But when it reaches this hyperbolic "the entire series has no value, it's irredeemable media and deserves to be trashed" level of vitriol for the work...nah. That's not agreeable.
And then there's this anon who called in to say:
Seeing you rightfully call out the utter bullshit of Akito's "redemption" has me heated. The story becomes irredeemably bad the moment the forgiveness shit is pushed.
Let me say this much: there was no "redemption" or "redemption arc" for Akito. She had her big epiphany and recieved personal salvation from Tohru's approach to her, and from then on she turned herself towards self-improvement and atonement for her many sins while finally living a true human life of her own. Atonement /=/ redemption, as all avenues for her to redeem herself for her abusive acts directly to those effected by said abusive acts got closed off a long time ago.
And forgiveness is entirely another matter from redemption and atonement. Tohru, Kureno, Shigure, Momiji, Arisa, and Saki chose to forgive Akito. Literally no one else was shown to do so. Rin even said outright she could never forgive Akito after everything she did, and in the anime at least, she was positioned as not in the wrong for that.
Takaya is on my shit list for life for how she handled Tohru's character, she is my favourite I love her compassion for people and her determination to never give up despite how difficult things can be plus her learning to move on from her crippling grief resonates with me. The ending Takaya gives her is fucking vile Tohru forgiving and befriending Akito is bullshit and my mind is never going to change on that.
"I love her compassion for people." "Tohru forgiving and befriending Akito is bullshit!" Do...you not see how these are conflicting ideas? "Tohru is wonderful for how much empathy and compassion she has for people...wait no, not THAT people!" How do you miss that big?
The sole reason Tohru wants to break the curse is because she sees how much her friends are suffering under Akito's abuse both mentally and physically. She would never be so inconsiderate of their feelings as to befriend the person who hurt them so much.
And she also saw how much Akito herself was suffering under the curse and the role that was forced upon her from birth. Also, how is choosing to befriend her friends abuser inconsiderate when they don't need to factor into it at all? Tohru doesn't try to force Yuki, Kyo, Rin, Momiji, Hiro, Kisa and the rest to also be friends with Akito. She at no point even considers that possibility. What's between Tohru and Akito is kept purely between them, away from Akito's victims. Tohru understands that they'd never be comfortable around Akito due to having a history with her that Tohru herself does not have, and while she wants to help Akito move past her pain and put in the good work to make reparations for her sins, she's not going to ever downplay how vile those sins were and how badly they hurt people, nor would she put up even the pretense of giving absolution of them to Akito.
That's not even getting to my other major problem with this storyline Tohru never even learns about half of the horrific shit Akito does to her friends, Takaya intentionally has her character be left in the dark. Not to mention how abusive akito is to HER!
Why does it need to be Tohru's business to know absolutely every horrible deed Akito ever did to every person she was ever horrible to? Akito did that shit, it happened, there's nothing Tohru can do that could possibly change that or make any of it better. And oh dear, are we getting into the "antagonistic behavior = abuse" bullshit again?
She manipulates her the first time they meet and then at the beach house she threatens her and scratches up her face. Tohru outright admits she is scared of her. Then towards the end of the story akito then has the audacity to blame her for the zodiacs not loving her despite that being the consequences of her own disgusting actions. She shows up at the house to hurt and potentially kill Tohru, she slaps her multiple times, stabs her and pushes her close to the cliffs end directly putting her in danger. Akito almost gets the poor girl killed. Akito spends the entire story being an abusive monster to Tohru and the people she loves. And nearly leads to multiple characters dying, Takaya really wants us to think a friendship Between the two of them is cute because they both relate to being lonely????
Ah yes. Yes we are. Most of what's described above is Akito being a cruel villain and acting as a threatening adversary to Tohru, with actions that are clearly reprehensible and uncalled for but are not inherently "abusive", as Akito is treating a stranger badly and making enemies with her rather than being in any relationship in which she can treat her abusively. The hardest into abuse it ever swings is when Akito is holding a knife to Tohru and physically strikes her, and that's when Akito is in the midst of a full-blown psychotic episode.
And that the characters apparently aren't that different to each other??? When they clearly are. Tohru is a kind and compassionate person who helps those around her while Akito is a manipulative snake who treats those around her like they are her possessions. Tohru grows up being bullied and alone. Akito is a child abuser and commits multiple attempted murders. Trust me Takaya these characters aside from them having tragic backstories and fears of abandonment are as far away from each other as you can get.
Tohru was brought up to be kind and selfless, to the point of seeing her own self as lesser in value than others. Akito's upbringing shaped her into becoming cruel and selfish, to the point of seeing others as possessions for her to keep hold of, to pleasure her with a sense of superiorty as a cover for her own poor self image and lack of self-worth. Tohru was left alone without her mother and was ostracized by her peers. Akito was left alone without her father (as her own mother would never give her the time of day) and was "othered" by literally every person around her. They're foils. Akito is a broken reflection of what Tohru might've become if Kyoko had not put in that effort to be such a kind, loving, nurturing parent, and Akito always envied Tohru because she reflects the girl she might've been had she been allowed to be, and not internalized everything wrong with the Sohma family nor adopted her mother's own internalized misogyny.
The friendship is disgusting, Akito is an evil bitch period she is not Tohru's problem or her responsibility. Also Uo and Hana being friends with her after they find out she nearly killed their best friend and Kureno was also so gross. The characters do some of the most OOC shit in order to give Akito one of the least deserving redemption arcs i have ever seen. It is truly some of the most atrocious, insulting writing, Takaya should be embarrassed for thinking this was an acceptable way to end the story.
If you want to get technical, none of the Sohmas are Tohru's problem or responsibility. It's not on her to "fix" them or be their therapist and savior, she doesn't owe them anything. She chooses to help them out of compassion, empathy, and a desire to do right by others, to see true justice done and freedom, peace, and happiness assured for the people she cares about in their lives going forward, With Akito too, she did not impose or make her into her responsibility; she extended her hand. She offered Akito a choice. The friendship would not happen if Akito decided she was unwilling to put in the effort to do her part and accept the care, help, comfort and understanding offered to her by Tohru. So yeah, you can blame Akito for that too, even though it's not a wrong thing of her to do whatsoever! Uotani also did not become Akito's friend, more like a friendly acquaintance. Hanajima did follow Tohru's lead and befriend her, and considering she knows how it feels to internally tear yourself apart with self-loathing over guilt from having hurt people to the point of cursing your very identity and existence, I'd say her decision makes sense.
I haven't read the spin off but Akito having a child just reinforces that she is still the same selfish person she has always been. Her wanting to have children but deciding not to because of how they would suffer due to her terrible actions would actually mean she has to live with the consequences of what she has done. but of course we can't have that.
Meh. Not much a fan of that spin off and I'm kind of hoping we don't get it adapted into an anime. Some things are best left open-ended.
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rubywolf0201 · 8 months
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Thoughts on how people see Ariel the mermaid as a selfish slut who threw away her voice just to get legs to land a hawt prince she barely knows?
It just shows that the haters just doesn’t understood the context regarding Ariel’s actions and also ignored that Ariel was already fascinated with humanity long before she met Eric.
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swapauanon · 1 year
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I'm not going to reblog Dextixer's post on why Lilith Fairen is a horrible person, because Dex is being INCREDIBLY hypocritical in condemning Lilith here, given his own history of calling for the harassment of basically EVERYONE involved in RWBY's creation.
He's not going after Lilith Fairen because she's a horrible person (he would not need to make up imaginary crimes to condemn her, she's been digging her own grave ever since she decided to speak over disabled people), he's going after Lilith Fairen because she's a fan of RWBY and he based his entire personality around hating it.
As bad as Lilith Fairen is, he's worse.
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Now, to be fair, Jaune's character arc from Volume 8-on aside, RWBY is NOT Miraculous Ladybug.
The show is MOSTLY good, with its only MAJOR flaw being its insistence in keeping Jaune as the deuteragonist at the expense of more interesting characters. Like his teammates.
Like, they had an ENTIRE season devoted to the central theme of identity, and Nora's arc is devoted to figuring out who she is outside of her relationship with Ren.
So NATURALLY, Nora was put on a bus while Jaune ends up being the second most important character of that season behind only the protagonist.
There are a lot of smaller flaws here and there (everyone and their grandma has pointed out how overly simplistic the White Fang arc is, even if the hatedumb's insistence on making Adam Taurus an anti-hero when the entire point of his character is that he's a self-centered abuser who hijacks a noble cause for his own selfish ends and perverts it into an instrument for his personal satisfaction at the expense of its originally stated goal, up to the point of murdering the organization's leader and wiping out everyone who ACTUALLY cares about the cause in order to fully solidify his power just so happens to take things too far in the other direction).
But like, yeah, RWBY's more like Steven Universe than Miraculous Ladybug.
So like. Some flaws that the fandom can nitpick ignoring the fictional 'it's a show it doesn't have to be realistic' context, but overall good?
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theliterarywolf · 3 months
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You realize that if key key is killed, the hatedumb will just conplain that viv killed a cat for shock value
They'll do that no matter what, though...
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gritsandbrits · 2 years
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Amy Rose centred game where not only is she the main heroine in her own game, but she goes through a personal adventure where meets and befriends people, do sidequests since it’s in her character to help people and believe in them (which contrasts with Sonic's ‘I believe in you’ theme), have gameplay stages revolve around Amy's hammer and have it harken back to the first Advance gameplay she has. The art and story would be done by Tyson Hesse since he is the one person who understood who Amy truly is.
Not only that, but I want the Amy-centered game to prove her antis wrong and that she is not some mindless fangirl.
Yes this! Have her villain be the antithesis or at least a parody of what the hatedumb thinks Amy is.
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Sonic hatedom when the sequel is getting rave reviews:
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mmprviolet · 3 years
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When you see that the Prince Hans hatedom is more toxic than his actual fans:
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Link to the tweet the photo is from. https://twitter.com/gingerhazing/status/1154465677383589888
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juniaships · 3 years
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✨SONIC 06 IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE THINGS THE FANDOM LIKES TO COMPLAIN ABOUT✨
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ultraericthered · 3 months
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A little while back, a Dark Road fan/Xehanort simp came upon my post about my Divergence KH3 Xehanort. They did not seem to like it much. But I deleted their comment and just to set the message straight, I will address this to Tetsuya Nomura himself, Tomoco Kanemaki and the folks who made Dark Road, and the game's fans:
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Let me make up stuff about my evil boi and enjoy him in peace.
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rubywolf0201 · 8 months
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it's really gross how the Sonic social media team added to the hate for Elise on the 10th anniversary of 06 with that dumb post
"10 years ago never forget" with Knuckles saying "oh no" further adding to the image of Elise being some gross necrophiliac that likes to make out with dead animals
I know… It was outright insensitive of Sonic Team social media to pour fuel on the Elise hatedom.
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swapauanon · 1 year
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You seem to have a fair take about things.
So permit me to ask:
Why have people build their entire identity or life around hating things?
Why must these people be so determined to tear down what others create?
Because rage gets clicks.
That's literally it.
A lot of social media platforms (like YouTube), are designed to circulate content that provoke anger, because rage gets people to talk.
So the RWDEs ride the high from their fame, which will only last as long as they tear into RWBY.
If they stop, they lose all their adoring fans, and as they base their self worth off their fame, this leads to a vicious and self destructive cycle where they have to keep feeding into their worst traits in order to remain relevant.
This is why Calxiyn fell so far so fast after she was bullied out of the FNDM, her new "friends" will turn on her even more quickly than her old ones did if she doesn't stoop to their level.
Update: DISREGARD THIS LAST PARAGRAPH! I WAS SEVERELY MISINFORMED REGARDING HOW CALXIYN WAS ACTING AFTER CANONSEEKER HARASSED HER!!!
It's a toxic and abusive environment that brings the worst out of people.
Granted, accepting NO criticism can create an equally toxic environment, but that's a whole other can of worms.
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Regarding the "Homophobic Ruby" thing, much like the Pikmin 4 "Homophobic Moss" meme: it started as a fandom joke that got co-opted by actual homophobes.
It's worth noting that the joke was never funny in the first place, and the VAST MAJORITY of Ruby fans in particular DESPISED it even BEFORE the hatedumb sank their claws into it.
Nowadays, you only see people who HATE the show use it.
fucking rip
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