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Why Husk doesn't have a beer belly? Like he drinks alcohol why does he have twink body instead of having a belly????
If you dont draw Husk like this youre a liar and a coward
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showtoonzfan · 2 days
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Thoughts on Husk?
I found Husk okay in the pilot. He didn’t have much to him so I wasn’t really interested, but I did hope to see what the show had planned for him. And Viv basically does what she always does and just rushed everything once the show aired. In episode 1-3 he was fine but once episode 4 hit he’s suddenly soft and caring from there onward, like trusting Angel enough to comfort him (which makes zero sense within the timeline considering he just met this guy a fucking week ago) or being worried about Alastor for some reason. I don’t mind the idea of Husk being a softie or the “wise old mentor” character, cause I do love the concept of someone who’s fucked up so much in life that they now have advice to give, but again his stuff is just rushed. There is no reason why he should care about characters like Angel, Pen, or the hotel.
Same with Angel, Husk was clearly set up to be a stubborn asshole. He’s old and grumpy and wasn’t interested at all in the hotel or it’s people. Now almost instantly he’s trusting of the people around him and helpful at times. He should have been a slow burn, actually fucking SHOW his arc on screen of learning to listen to people or realizing his mistakes, but Viv wanted to do most character arcs off screen, heck…we don’t even get any scenes of Charlie trying to help him…you know, something that was the main premise of the show. Not only that but the only character we see him grow a bond with on screen is Angel and I don’t like that because it only existed just to set them up as a couple and get the shipping fuel going, cause Viv cares more about shipping rather than actually developing the characters themselves.
Him revealing how he used to be an overlord but was in over his head and gambled his soul away was also something that could have been it’s own episode, like for some reason Viv really love’s immediately telling us her character’s backstories and flat out saying the flaws her characters have (cough, Helluva Boss.) It’s such a bummer man cause Husk could have been really good but he’s honestly just…there now, most of the potential he had is out the window cause it’s the clear the only arc Viv has planned for Husk is for him to get with Angel, and then probably be attached to him so yay.
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onehelluvacritic · 3 days
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Hello, fellow Anon artist here trying to learn new art tricks and inspiration. I wanted to put my two cents into how Viv writes all these "Amazing" characters that are supposed to come from the early 1900s era or later specific time periods especially Alastor that apparently knows about the stock market crash of the late 20s or Husk who's supposed to be this old grandpa dude in his 70s and when he died or Lucifer whos the literal goddamn devil whos also one of the beings from the beginning of flipping time besides Jesus Christ who I hope Viv doesn't touch knowing how she'll mess that up like everything she touches. I cannot fathom how viv hates drawing old people and older looking characters or wrinkles and wiser traits because she wants All her characters to be skinny ass looking Tumblr sexy men that are sticks and not "unfuckable" looking characters she can't milk merch off of. My question is if all these characters come from different time periods and are supposed to wear fashion that represents and depicts what time period they died in why the hell do they all look like teenagers or young adults that and speak and act in the exact same tone and way with the same slang on top of that? It throws me off as an artist who has old characters and wants to learn the basics of wrinkles and traits and what makes a character from a storytelling perspective look older and grey as they age but I don't know who's what because Viv hates criticism and feedback and can't find inspiration from her artworks or characters.
If you had any advice to give to an artist or writer learning to better themselves on older and wiser characters do you have a post talking about it even in regards to vivziepop and her ridiculously teenage looking characters? Or have knowledge about the topic for writing?
So this is something I have noticed with her characters too and it's extremely aggravating to watch, because you can tell that she's put 0 homework into each time era for her characters. Ex: Sir P being from the Victorian era, would be passing out from all the debauchery in hell, because Victorians back then were extremely repressed, men and women especially. Pentious would be disgusted by Alastor's wear probably, because he would think it's not proper enough and he wouldn't cuss either, or if he did, it would be eloquent. There's also the class and if he's an aristocrat or not. Top hats like that would mean he's upper class and wealthy. He would also be confused by modern slang, or not have the words for certain things. Alastor, Rosie, and Mimzy would be in the same boat. There's no way Rosie would know what "Ace" means. It's still too modern. It would be funny to watch a Victorian era man clash with a 1920's flapper like Mimzy about the clothes she's wearing. Sir Pentious would actually pass out from seeing Mimzy. Again, SEX in the Victorian era was EXTREMELY taboo and it only served as a function in that time period. Sir P would also have a hard time with Cherry bomb, who is FAR from the Victorian era and she would make Alastor, Mimzy, Rosie and Sir Pentious disgusted. Sorry, but it's historically inaccurate to not consider how Cherry Bomb and even Angel Dust would be viewed by Mimzy, Alastor, Rosie and Sir P. Homosexuality would have been extremely frowned upon in the 1930's/1920's and blasphemous in the Victorian era. Now do they have to be sexist and homophobic? No, but I wouldn't expect them to have open views to it either, given their time eras. Too bad. It could've been an interesting set of flaws each character had that they could use to change as characters. Sir Pentious being sexually repressed and having to overcome that. Alastor close minded about different sexualities and identities, but ironically he's ace himself. Rosie holding on to internalized misogyny and shaming Mimzy for being sexually provocative, then realizing it doesn't matter and she should do what she wants without feeling ashamed about herself. Mimzy believing that her entire identity has to revolve around being a sexual fantasy for men because the flapper girls were supposed to be sexually outrageous for the 1920's, but she realizes that still has her in a cage and she's deeply insecure, she only seeks male validation to feel better about herself. The only way to liberate herself from internalized misogyny is to dress for herself and not for anyone else. Learn to love herself.
Ok, tangent aside- best advice I can give you is to do research on each time era, how each era affected people, what their views are, are they holding on to religious beliefs, how do they speak and what slang do they use? There's also broader context in history for why certain things happened in each era. Also consider the tech level and how people adapted to it. Example: 2005 I was still using CD's. Today in 2024: I have music streaming and Spotify. There's also the contrasts between eras. The 1920's is going to be drastically different from the 1980's. The same thing with the Victorian era. There's also times between, like the Edwardian era, which came after the Victorian era. There's also little details like what chemicals were used for paints, and what was allowed in drinks. Ex: Victorian era houses had lead paint wallpapers and it made a looot of people sick. Asbestos was used in homes during the 1930's to 1970's, it was used for building materials, vinyl products etc. Cocaine was allowed in Coca Cola up til 1929. Smoking was normalized and even said to be good for people until it was discovered that it causes cancer. There's little details, that can affect a character's habits and their health.
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ms-cartoon · 3 days
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M'kay . . . I'm assuming this is someone who DIDN'T look at the pilot.
I'm not implying what Husk actually is cuz I don't know anymore at this point . . . But neither does the op.
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teeth-cable · 16 hours
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I need more people to talk about how just like the POC designs, the writing is terrible at clueing the audience what race and ethnicity the characters are.
Beside stereotypes, the racial coding in the writing is little to non-existence. The characters don’t have mannerisms from their cultures, speak in slangs or idioms relating to their group from their time periods, or make cultural references.
Without having to rely on outside sources (Livestreams, looking up VAs, leaked audition sheets, etc), the only characters I would successfully guess would be Vicky, Val, and Velvette, and even then, it doesn’t mean the racial coding is good.
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Vicky is the only one from this list whose racial coding isn’t atrocious. I can tell she’s Latino because she curses in Spanish, but that’s it. This is admittedly nick-picky , but I wish when cursing she would have used Salvadoreño specific slang and curse phases to signal she’s Salvadoreña.
Val, I can tell is Latino too, because of his accent and him cursing in Spanish, but it’s egregious. The accent fluctuates so much, it’s strong, then weak, then strong again. Not sure if the VA was struggling or if this was an intentional direction given to him, though the fact, I and other people were confused, at the direction, speaks for itself. Another issue with his accent is how it’s sexualized, contributing to the Latin Lover stereotype of his character.
Velvette, I won’t sugarcoat it. I wouldn’t even guess she was supposed to be black though the writing or the majority of her designs until the finale. The finale, the last episode of the season and the only time she has textured hair with her screen time being around two minutes and sixteen seconds in total.
Visual designs isn’t where race coding ends. This is important to remember because it ignores the good coded characters (King Dice from Cuphead, Darwin from TAWG, the Punk trolls from Dreamwork’s Trolls) and how Viv failed and could have done the racial coding better.
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For Viv, she has to rely on other coding methods too because there are characters who aren’t humanoid enough, or even humanoid at all, for visual coding to work. There really isn’t anything I can say to explain why the race coding sucks beside Viv doesn’t care about representing POCs.
I wanted to create this post to highlight how Viv fails at coding in every aspect. The fandoms and critics shouldn’t praised her for giving Velvette textured hair or darkening Sera’s skin from her leaked audition sheet. We need to stop praising creators, especially white ones, for doing less than the bare minimum (The bare minimum being making POC characters look POC) when creating POC characters, or worse, justify it. I’ve seen people tried to justify the terrible POC designs by using one of Carmilla’s daughters as an example, as if one decent POC design in a sea of ashy and euro-centric or erased features for the majority of the POC cast suddenly invalidates the criticisms.
I’m also getting tired of the fandom making posts questioning why people have and still draw the POC characters as white, as well as people harassing artists for accidental whitewashing. I’m hate the whitewashing too but in this case, it’s different because this is Viv’s own fault due to her poor racial coding. Not every fan will have the same intense knowledge you do or even should, to know what a character’s race or ethnicity is, that’s Viv’s responsibilities as the creator.
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Mind you, these were the human designs we had before the show aired. Alastor being mixed creole and Niffty being Japanese yet they look white as hell here.
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ivan-pilled · 2 days
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I know critics can be super fucking annoying and chronically online
But you CANNOT say the critics are worse than the fans. Especially after Shay. Especially after all the doxxing threats. Especially after how they speak about rape victims.
The Real Ultimate Hater situation was undeniably disgusting and that person is a shit bag don't get me wrong.
But I have seen far more depraved things from the fandom than the people who simply say they don't like it.
Also calling critical people a "cult" is extremely insensitive and ignorant.
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gh0stygray · 2 months
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Working on a redesign of Velvette! I like how she acts in the show but I can’t stand her ashy grey skin, so I’m trying to do her some justice! I will also be cooking up some redesigns of the seraphim sisters.
I wanted to make her feel like she takes after both Valentino and vox.
I gave her white smudged make up on the form of a mask because it not only looks cool but I was trying to make her feel like a clown or doll? That’s what her past look resembled I’m not quite sure what she’s based off of or what kind of demon she is, I’d like to think she was a past model/ fashion designer who was very cut throat, bossy and very competitive, she seems very sure of herself, ambitious and opportunistic.
Maybe that lead her to some how falling of her high horse in fashion by a rival? Which resulted in her being called a hack or clown in which she retaliates by snapping on them killing her rival, career and self all in the same day.
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😾💖🕷️
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thats-ill-eagle · 3 months
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Just got this recommended to me on my brand new twitter account.
Nature is healing 💜
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theoddest1 · 24 days
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Hey, isn't it so..."Great" that Viv is out here liking posts that clearly find moments where Angel is being sexual with his rapist "Hot" How much more telling can this all get, right? We really sit here, having to explain how fucked up it is to take SA, try to tackle it "seriously" but then proceed to not even do it for that reason. Only for it to be for angst and goon material. How do you expect me to SIT HERE and take whatever Viv has to offer seriously? The number of people I have seen trying to justify this gross behavior is abysmal. If you have this kink or whatever, fine not like I can stop you, be into that shit somewhere else, but DO NOT try and TACKLE IT only for it to be not even seen as serious or as a way for you to get off to your sick fantasies.
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Why the hell would you like this? "Angel with his abusive rapist boss😝, so hot guys! Can'tstop thinking about it!"
What good reason would Viv have in liking this post? Why do over 4k people find a post like this neat? "Oh they're fictional, it's gucci, stop bitching" wouldn't need to bitch if people didn't outright sexualize moments meant to tackle an irl fucking problem.
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By the way, this person ships Angel and Valentino together. Their pinned tweet is legit sexual Val and Angel art. I wouldn't recommend attacking them regardless if you disagree with their ships and what they deem...ugh "hot."
Fair warning to I WILL be showing some of their arts and reblogs as evidence, so if you are not into that sort of thing (anything NSFW), I highly recommend scrolling past my post or past this section of it.
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I'm pretty sure Viv actively searches for this sort of thing on Twitter, like it's PAINFULLY obvious that she does. How you just so happen to like a post clear af lusting for this abusive relationship YOU CLAIMED to take seriously that ALSO happens to be from an account that ships the abuser with the victim? Gtfo with your two-faced shit, just say your find this hot instead of lying your absolute ass off. The audacity for some fans to go after one group of people for liking questionable stuff only to let other questionable things slide. Like homie, you can let rape slide, but draw the line for any other questionable thing? How's about you have that energy for EVERYTHING with your hypocritical asses. Ion wanna hear y'all stank ass make callouts if you're okay with a rapist being shipped with someone he actively harms in various ways.
And Viv
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You say this entire sequence is meant to be uncomfortable, meant to not sugar-coat how awful this situation is, and supposedly have people who are victims/survivors themselves, yet here you are liking posts from people who do anything but take it seriously and even sexualize it. That's absolutely insane to me. And reminds me how you were drooling over some pins that glamorize the abuse Angel and supposedly Husk goes through, you know, the same character that COMPARED his abuse with Angel's.
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Ah yes, let's downplay how horrible Angel's situation is further, shall we? Let's especially do it after adamantly arguing with other SA survivors who "haven't seen the episode yet" and need to shut up or don't watch 😃. Let's ignore the fact that Husk and Angel's situations STILL aren't comparable but it's still very odd to have pins on TWO situations taken seriously in the show. So do you actually view the situations seriously or not Viv???
God she's....actually fucking stupid and horrid.
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fortunelowtier · 14 days
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I swear to god, every time I see a Viv stan reply to a post criticizing HHs artstyle (its overuse of reds/disregard for character design rules, etc etc) with "of course its red, its hell" I want to SCREAM because I don't think I've ever heard them use any other excuse, theyre like a broken record who can only say that one thing
Ultrakill is set in hell, and it has some of the most incredible and varied layer designs I've ever seen
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Doom Eternal is set in hell for most of its runtime, sure there's red, but there's also areas like the Blood Swamps that mix things up from the norm
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for fucks sake the NETHER has more variety in color, a fucking block game from 2010 has more variety in color than Hazbin
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I just genuinely saw someone say Poison and the fetishization of Angel’s trauma is okay because “a lot of people have a rape kink actually so get over it”. are you genuinely deranged. Obviously I am not naming who because I don’t want to start a tumblr fight or whatever but holy shit genuinely the worst take I have ever seen in my life WHAT was that
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showtoonzfan · 1 day
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Just want to preface this by saying i love ur analysis sm- u put my exact thoughts into words when i cant verbalise whats wrong with a particular writing decision 🥲🥲
Anyway, smth ive noticed is how... little time vivzie actually spends on writing or characterizing or fleshing out her characters.
Which has to be the weirdest thing so far bc every writer and artist ive met agree that its the best part of making an oc! Its so fun to think of backstories and tie that into their current personality and generally just figuring out random details to get to know your characters!
Like, my ocs are my best friends, i know everything abt them from their trauma and childhoods, to their favourite food and music.
But time and time again she proves that her characters are at best acquaintances... the fandom fleshes out the characters so well and with so much love and care and thought that vivzie herself cant do and its just sad.
Not even mentioning the hundreds of retcons and how characters will just change personality randomly or act out of character which results in the work feeling like a fanfic of itself. (Ironic considering some fanfics have better and more consistent characterisation)
It feels like shes making it up as she goes, instead of having an actual plan. Just shoving random ideas she likes or picks up from the much more creative fandom into the 2 shows without actually stopping and thinking abt the consequences or implications.
Theres so many decisions shes made that irk me so bad... the ideas individually have potential but they either dont fit the show or have to make huge retcons and result in the plot not making any sense.
Also, ngl but she has the worst case of tell dont show ive ever seen my god 😭😭 like... you realise you have to show things instead of just fucking singing it or having a character say it??? Or is that another thing that the fandom has to do so they can convince themselves that the show has good characters??
Atp idk how to salvage the show... i keep finding more and more plotholes and unless i literally turn my brain off and only focus on haha funny dick joke or pwetty colors, these questions keep popping into my head making it a painful unenjoyable experience.
Again, if the fandom has to justify your bad nonsensical hypocritical worldbuilding then you failed. Massively.
Anyway im very sleepy rn just wanted to rant a bit bc im a writer and artist myself and it pisses me off how someone gets their show on the air and still doesnt care abt putting in effort into their plot or characters beyond aesthetics and random ideas that dont go well together...
You’re speaking facts! And it’s honestly like..kinda funny too that people who have their own OC’s can flesh them out and deep dive into their arcs/backstories ect, yet a professional showrunner who’s had these characters for YEARS can’t even give the majority of her characters flaws or quirks, or even consistency, same goes for Helluva Boss.
Viv is a really good example at letting inspired writers know what not to do when making a story and characters so at least they have that lol.
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onehelluvacritic · 1 month
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Valentino as a centipede makes me want to barf holy shit. I fucking hate centipedes. Also all those legs moving uhuuughhhehh.. 🤮
Also centipedes bite humans (and it's extremely painful) and they eat spiders so that's an additional layer of horrifying and disgusting.
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roseyquartz15 · 2 months
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I Love my silly snake man
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dyssonant-skyline · 30 days
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Alastor has never felt like an intimidating presence to me. I tried to implement a quick fix, though I'm not sure if those teeth would be animation friendly, and well, anything that appears frequently will lose it's impact over time.
The thought is, if all other sharp teethed characters have the standard shark style points, giving Alastor more realistic teeth would make him stand out. Giving him more real teeth size/layout also turns his smile proportions more eerie as the space around his teeth is just a void, his lips stretching over empty space.
It also turns the smile into a threat more directly if the audience interprets his teeth as the teeth of a carnivore. If you see the teeth of a predator animal, that's showing their intent to use them. Plays into the cannibal backstory and all.
I also just like having more negative space in his face. His yellow teeth can be really intense sometimes.
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